Every Cali agency has strengths & weakness

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: Yup, posted by Pete E on Sep 23, 2005

Hi Pete,

Thanks for the insight.  As I said, I have never been to Cartegena or BAQ.  Right now, that is way down on my list, but I was curious about what you meant.  At any rate, hopefully Jesse will have a good time in Medellin, and I would like to hear his story.  Take care.

                               OkieMan

[Cali James]

... in response to Yup, posted by Pete E on Sep 21, 2005

[This message has been edited by Cali James]

Pete,

It's clear to me there's a stigma against agencies in the general population of Colombia.  I remember a past novia telling me she really hadn't joined the agency but had accompanied a friend's mother to one of their parties as a favor to her.  Once there they took her picture and apparently got some basic information out of her also.  She said she'd forgotten the whole thing and that when the agency called her several months later I was her first cita.  Even from my own novia, I got a half denial that she belonged to an agency.  lol  Her story was true about accompaning her friends' mother to the party, but nevertheless that evening she became a member regardless of whether it was her original intention to do so.  But because of the stigma, she probably felt compelled to downplay her involvement.    I understand the stigma myself, agencies are often perceived as playgrounds for gringos or a place unsafe for a respectful woman. My father in law to this day believes my wife and I met through a mutual friend, not an absolute lie but certainly a stretch of the truth.  Also agencies get a bad rap among those who might think they don't need an agency.  I hear it all the time, "agencies are OK but I don't need it", I can find a man or woman on my own.  So what do guys do, they write Colombianas who join internet websites like match.com.  These woman themselves may be agency members or they may be women looking for a foreign boyfriend/husband but unprepared to join an agency do to the stigma. Like I said in a prior post, I think the whole "I met my foreign novio/husband online" versus "I met him at an agency" is a distinction without a difference.  Both are basicly interested in the same ends.  I don't see the reason for the snobbish attitude among some of the people.

James

[OkieMan]

... in response to Yup, posted by Cali James on Sep 21, 2005

CaliJames,

Thanks for telling more of your story.  So, you can't get your wife to better explain why she and others think this way?  I can certainly see why a respectable lady would not want to be associated with something like prostitution; so maybe they equate the agencies with a different form of that??  It is a bit of a mystery.  I would think they would like someone like the staff members at some particular agency introducing them to "nice foreign men". I would have thought the ladies would feel safer dealing with a Colombian staff at an agency.  I guess I was wrong. Naturally, if they don't trust the staff at the agency that would be bad.  But, if that is so, then why go there in the first place? Maybe in Medellin that is why they can't get as many girls into the agencies, and maybe that is why there is only 1 or 2 there.   I also understand that there are scammers that target the agencies, because they can easily meet many guys like me (sweet, honest, and generous)-- but I hope that I am not in the stupid category; just maybe too trusting-- or at least I was before I went to Cali this last time.  Boy, did I learn my lesson!!
                              OkieMan

[Pete E]

... in response to Yup, posted by Cali James on Sep 21, 2005

James,
Rocio told people we met when she was  vacationing in Cartagena.Ah,the convenient LIE,seems to have no negative moral weight here.Her father didn't know how we met.I think her mother didn't know she belonged untill she had a cita with me.I paid $400,000 pesos to have a letter translated to her father  when we divorced,I wanted him to understand.It wouldn't surprise me if it got headed off and never given to him.I sent it with my flaky brother in law.And my mother in law might have decided just not to give it to him.
I have seen him in Cali since moving here.The brother in law came all the time untill he gave up on getting money out of me.I did see my mother in law once.

Pete

[Pete E]

... in response to i second mudd observation.., posted by Cali James on Sep 21, 2005

A story about my friend Terry,who got married here on my patio last summer.In my opinion he used his time very efficiently and that was what made him successfull.An agency made the number of women required for him to find the one right for him easy.Its a numbers game to a large extent,so don't waste your time so you are not meeting a sufficient number of people.He had been to Peru and Baranquilla,2 or 3 times each. He comes to Cali.Stays at Latin Encounters,early 2004.He meets 6 or 8 girls a day for days,maybe 50 or 60 total.He gives each a flower.We were giving him a bad time,he is heading for his next cita with a flower in his hand,smile on his face.He is a VERY nice sincere guy,that comes across.They women are receptive to him.Out of the 50 or 60 he narrows it down to 5,then 2,then one.He says he is extremely happy with her,she is a giving person like himself,in the past he wound up with users.AND,she looks great.A common reaction when guys meet her is this is to good to be true,there MUST be something wrong with this picture.He says no,its perfect.
Its a numbers game.There are probably alot of women out there any particular guy would be very compatable with.The key is to find them.You do not know when and where that will happen,but the more women you meet the more likely it will.Keep on keeping on. Don't talk yourself in to low probability options,cities or countries.Do not waste a trip meeting one or just a few women and not being successfull.
Don't decide agency girls are flawed.I have a number of good friends VERY happy with the wife they met at an agency,including my Friend James above.Anybody with a poor opinion of agency women should meet her.You could be so lucky to ever find someone like her.Lawyer.Smart.Loyal.Nice.Pretty.Very good person.Good family.You couldn't do ANY better.
Don't talk yourself out of what has worked so well for others.

Pete

[Hoda]

... in response to How to use an agency to your advantage, posted by Pete E on Sep 21, 2005


"Don't talk yourself out of what has worked so well for others"

Truer words have never been spoken....the numbers of success stories from guys here meeting & marrying women from agencies,  speak for itself! There isn't any "one" way that is right for "everyone"...

[Pete E]

... in response to i second mudd observation.., posted by Cali James on Sep 21, 2005

James,
Some guys solution for agency girls is bar girls.Not an improvement I don't think.
I don't think there is anything wrong with a girl joining an agency.Some families object so the girl has to has to work around that.But for girls that don't to think they are somewhat better is rediculous.Join or don't join,your call.Margarteth says every time a girl would get married she would get new girls off of it.She is married.You are not.She has a gringo rich by your standasrds.You have a Colombiano boyfriend without a pot who won't marry you anyway.HMM.Maybe  I should do that.
The other thought is that women off a chat site are better?Why?
Alot of it boils down to some agency girls being users.Its just an efficient place for a user to try,if she has the looks to pull it off.
To me the3 bid advantage of an agency fior a guy is irs efficient.The more women you meet,the more likely you will find the right one.
OK,I will copy my post about my Friend Terry and post it below.The WAY to do it in my opinion.
James I will give you a call.Charley will be here Friday.He was so excited when he found out I lived here.He  lost touch but remembered how to get ahold of you I guess.So thanks for filling him in.
See my post about Jesse above,keyboard mistake?It was funny,especially if you know Jesse.

Pete

[Cali James]

... in response to Re: i second mudd observation.., posted by Pete E on Sep 21, 2005

Hey Pete,  

Yes your friend Charlie called me a week or two back.  I actually had never met him but he said you had given him my office number sometime back in year 2000. My office number in San Jose had a message to contact me at my home office and that's how he tracked me down. Anyway, we had a nice chat and I gave him your Cali number as you're now the Cali expert these days.  Anyway, call me, it will be great to talk.

James

[OkieMan]

... in response to i second mudd observation.., posted by Cali James on Sep 21, 2005

Cali James,

I am aware that you are married to a Calena, so please share more with the board about how you met you wife, and any other "words of wisdom" that you can share.  I know that Pete speaks highly of you, but then Pete is a little nuts! ha Just kidding.  No, I like Pete.  I stayed at his apartment in May.  However, my trip was a bust.  The girl I was seeing was blowing smoke, and everything went to pot when I came home.  So, whether the girl is from Cali, Medellin or wherever; I just thought you might could shed some light on your experiences.  Take care.

                             OkieMan

[Pete E]

... in response to Every Cali agency has strengths &  w..., posted by teoblas on Sep 20, 2005

Ted,
You didn't mention Latin Encounters.They USED to be THE major agency in Cali.They have almost 1200 girls.Whats going there now I'm not sure.
There seems to be price inflexibility that is driving people away,or not drawing anybody from here.Margareth says a gringo bought the agency,he is an internet marketing guy,they are getting 4 or so new guys a week,some of whom actually pay the $2995.Good for them if they are.Ricardo disputes that they agency was even sold.I tend to believe Margareth,but she is my friend and I admit to being biased,.I hear she is still here,I haven't talked to her since before my US trip in July.I should look her up again.But other than that they seem to have just withdrawn from the competition.The BIGGEST agency in Cali and we hear nothing about them anymore.

Pete

[teoblas]

... in response to Re: Every Cali agency has strengths &..., posted by Pete E on Sep 20, 2005

You are correct

The second listing of Latin Best should have read Latin Encounters...

My bad

[Snoopy]

... in response to Every Cali agency has strengths &  w..., posted by teoblas on Sep 20, 2005

Excellent informative post. Thank you, Teo.

About:
"The only thing I think I have never encountered in this environment is a gay guy (bisexual possibly, but not gay)."

Any dude that is "bisexual" is gay, period.

[Heat]

... in response to Re: Every Cali agency has strengths &..., posted by Snoopy on Sep 20, 2005

There was a guy at Latin Best last year who EVERYONE said was gay.  And he only went out with black girls.

Very strange man.