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Author Topic: A Different Perspective on Pre-Nups  (Read 3551 times)
Looking4Wife
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« on: August 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

After having gone through a divorce which included more than a handful of assets, I found that the most damaging thing wasn't the financial cost, but the emotional cost.

By that I mean the lost time of being bogged down with the divorce process, and being in the ambiguous state of romantic "availability limbo", until the divorce is finalized.

For example, I didn't want to book my trip to Colombia until my divorce was finalized.  I certainly didn't want to have to tell the 30 gorgeous, single Latinas that, "Me and my wife of 15 years are still married, but separated"...  I don't think that would have gone over too well with the marriage-minded, devout Christian Latinas I was planning to meet...

My observations are the following:

1. The main advantage of a pre-nup, in my opinion, is the possibility to SPEED up the divorce process... to allow both parties to move on emotionally as well as financially, as QUICKLY as possible.

2. From a practical standpoint, it at least gives you a basis to start with an agreement, since divorce (at least in Ohio) REQUIRES the parties to come to agreement at SOME POINT before the judge will grant the divorce.

3. Also from a practical standpoint (in Ohio), the pre-marital assets are protected, so I don't see the pre-nup helping much there.

As far as assets acquired DURING the marriage...  If the guy is out making "millions", and comes home daily to an attentive, affectionate, horny wife, at least for some duration of the marriage, she's entitled to "something" isn't she?  Maybe the pre-nup can define the limitations on the amount of "something".

4. Again, in Ohio, either spouse can walk into the "final" divorce hearing in which the divorce is SUPPOSED to be granted, and say "NO" when the judge asks if both parties are "sure" this is what they want.  If either spouse says they don't want the divorce, the judge won't grant it.

5. Final note.  What if the guy has decent assets to begin with, but the gorgeous Latina he brings stateside "blows up" into a multi-million dollar super-model prior to an unfortunate divorce... how does the pre-nup account for that?

6. Aside:  I think a pre-nup does have value if fidelity clauses are put in for both sides.  However, I think if fidelity clauses are inserted, then sexual availability clauses should be also.

CONCLUSION:

Although the pre-nup has the POSSIBILITY (not a guarantee) of speeding up the divorce process, it also has the possibility of setting the wrong tone for the relationship, or putting a bad taste in the mouth of an otherwise wonderful woman... so there are advantages and disadvantages.  Therefore, no definitive conclusion for me right now.

NOTE:  Its interesting how my stance on pre-nups has softened, since the bitterness of my divorce has been replaced by the sweetness of Latina Love :-)

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Pete E
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to A Different Perspective on Pre-Nups, posted by Looking4Wife on Aug 26, 2005

Deciding wether to do a pre nup depends on what assets you have before the marriage and what the law is in your state.
In my case and in California I had a house,the present value at masrriage mine alone but the increse in value community property and a pension in place before we married,all mine.A pre nup would have done me no good at all.
BUT,if you have substantial assets before the marriage ,depending on the laws in your state you may be able to protect them and even the return from them with a pre nup.
Best to consult a lawyer in your state.Generic advice could be way off.

Pete

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WS244
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to A Different Perspective on Pre-Nups, posted by Looking4Wife on Aug 26, 2005

One should treat these as they would a business deal or as an arranged marriage, which is what they are.  95% of the men over 55 understand this,  and 95% of the men under 55 still look at these through rose colored glasses as their first love in high school. Lets be men now, get in the lifeboat first, do not look back (for you will sink with them), as today chilvary is outvoted, outdated, and out of being politically correct.
Sing anchors aweigh, off we go ito the wild blue yonder, halls of montezuma, Cassions go rolling along, or the Colombian natonal anthem.
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Red Clay
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: A Different Perspective on Pre-Nups, posted by WS244 on Aug 27, 2005

Wow, I had no idea I was doing it wrong.
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WS244
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: A Different Perspective on Pre-N..., posted by Red Clay on Aug 27, 2005

You may be one of 5% of the exception listed on my post.
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Ray
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to A Different Perspective on Pre-Nups, posted by Looking4Wife on Aug 26, 2005

Good thoughts, but…I think there’s only one way to speed up the divorce process: do it yourself without lawyers.

Once one party hires an attorney, then the other party has little choice but to hire one also. It seems that the typical divorce lawyer will drag things out as long as possible in order to run up the fees. Why do you think the first thing that divorce lawyer will ask is “how much assets do you have”? That’s so they know how much you can pay them before you’re bankrupt. Then they will file restraining orders so you can’t speak to each other, thereby preventing you from reconciling or making a deal on the side, which would cut the lawyer out of the money. Then they will try to repeatedly drag you into court for little minor things because that’s where they make the big bucks, by going into court. Then the wife’s lawyer will tell the wife not to worry about the attorney fees because he will see to it that the husband pays for both attorneys. If there’s a valid pre-nup in place, the attorney will convince the wife to challenge it in court, thereby dragging things out even longer and running up the fees still more. You just can’t win.

I wonder if you could write a pre-nup that would prevent either party from hiring a lawyer if you should ever split up? You would have to “do it yourself”. That might work…Or would it? :-)

Ray

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JaySlo
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: A Different Perspective, posted by Ray on Aug 26, 2005

I worked with a latina from DR that is now able to retire even though the husband had a prenup with her signature. She successfully used the language barrier as her defense and won. I guess nothing is 100% in the legal world.
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