The" MOB" agencies and coming legislation

[doombug]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I get so tired of hearing ho..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 22, 2005

Well, to some folks, kimchi IS poison.

Damnit, that was low!

[Felinessa]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: I get so tired of hearin..., posted by doombug on Jun 22, 2005

You're making me crave kim-chi.  I sometimes put it on sandwiches - really gives tired old turkey a nice kick.

[doombug]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I get so tired of he..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 22, 2005

I think it's the only Korean food item I consistently see in supermarkets.  

I'm gonna try that sandwich idea.  Sounds nifty.

[Jeff S]

... in response to Re: I get so tired of hearing how abusiv..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 21, 2005

My guess is not. Nearly all of those studies are US based. However, it is a stretch to assume that things are so different elsewhere. Maybe they are in the Middle East where there are defined laws differentiating men's and women's behaviours, but my tough merchant marine ex-brother-in-law, regularly got his ass kicked by his "meek, submissive" Japanese wife. In fact, I'd put her temper and willingness to resort to violence right up there with most Detroit ghetto babes.

- Jeff

[buster40]

... in response to Re: I get so tired of hearing how abusiv..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 21, 2005

poor argument...I'd last about 10 seconds in the ring with my latina wife...she knows where my soft spot is and how to get to it in a hurry.  Then whose gonna be around to protect me?  You?

[Felinessa]

... in response to Re: Re: I get so tired of hearing how ab..., posted by buster40 on Jun 21, 2005

Nope, your webcams.  Set them strategically around the house in case she decides to kick your butt.  Then call 911, so you have both a video and a doctor's report.  

It will hold up in court, but unfortunately, if you tell people your wife beat you, they might not be willing to acknowledge the mightiness of your cojones.  Double standards suck.

[buster40]

... in response to The" MOB"  agencies and coming..., posted by Heat on Jun 21, 2005

yup, us American men...we're just a bunch of gun-totin wife beaters.  Hey, it's just the culture, right?  Let's face it, the women here are onto us so we have to go find other women to beat on.  But, thank God all those foreign victims are about to be saved by more laws.  Superwoman is coming to the rescue to save the rest of the world from us bad American men....yeah right.

Just remember fellas your're innocent until proven guilty (unless you wind up in domestic violence court)  And, oh yeah, that hearsay technicality? forget about it, it doesn't apply to you.  It's called "excited utterance."  And they don't have to be all that excited when the judge lets it into court to convict your ass.

[Heat]

... in response to The" MOB"  agencies and coming..., posted by Heat on Jun 21, 2005

Around summer time.  But they are here to "sudy" the problem.  Yea right.....

[Felinessa]

... in response to Funny how these fem-a Nazis just showed ..., posted by Heat on Jun 21, 2005

Yup, you're right, I personally worked on this legislation.  Next thing you know, the FBI will be knocking on your door, Heat, considering that I have your IP and that your exes said unpleasant things about you.  You should have played nice with me.

Or taken anti-paranoia pills.

Buster,

I think you might be seeing the article as more extreme than it is.  It doesn't say that all men are like that, but that there are some who are violent and that the women are not protected by a lot of laws.  Scammers know the laws, for sure, and they will exploit them.  But I imagine it's exactly those who get abused who don't know what they have to do and who think they should put up with it.

If you get bored with your MOB, you could withdraw her residency application and her work permit.  You could force her to go home.  I know people talk a lot about the abuse law, but not all these women are educated and understand everything about the US system, especially if they come from an oppressive country and especially if they don't speak a lot of English.

Why are we getting mad that there is legislation helping women?  It doesn't mean that it will be blindly enforced or that your rights won't be protected.  Don't forget that you're the citizen, so you have more options than she does.

And, as far as the innocent till proven guilty part, shouldn't that apply to scamming allegations too?  We always take it for granted that women are scammers, but we never seem to accept that some men are abusers.

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Funny how these fem-a Nazis just sho..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 21, 2005

Felinessa: “If you get bored with your MOB, you could withdraw her residency application and her work permit. You could force her to go home.”

In the U.S., you can not withdraw her residency application or work permit and you can not force her to go home.

Ray

[Felinessa]

... in response to Correction, posted by Ray on Jun 21, 2005

If she's on a K-1 visa, you can refuse to marry her within the specified 90 days, after which she is forced to leave the country.  So yes, you can send her home by not marrying her.

You can withdraw your petition for a K-1.

The article mentioned that one of the women had her work permit withdrawn.  Now maybe I should not have taken that at face value, so I'm investigating.

Also, if you withdraw your sponsorship, wouldn't her permanent resident application fall through?

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Correction, posted by Felinessa on Jun 22, 2005

Felinessa: “If she's on a K-1 visa, you can refuse to marry her within the specified 90 days, after which she is forced to leave the country. So yes, you can send her home by not marrying her.”

He can refuse to marry her and she can refuse to marry him. He can NOT force her to leave the country. He could purchase a plane ticket for her and offer her a ride to the airport, but whether or not she gets on that plane is entirely up to her. Did you think he could drag her kicking and screaming through airport security and push her onto the plane and slam the door behind her? Come on Felinessa, use your head.

Felinessa: “You can withdraw your petition for a K-1.”

Yes, you can withdraw your petition for a K-1 visa for your foreign fiancée, but you’d better hurry. It usually takes about 2 months or less to approve most K-1 petitions. So what? After the petition is approved and forwarded overseas and the visa is issued, there is really nothing to withdraw, except your decision to say “I do” at the wedding. Being engaged to marry a U.S. citizen does not give you the right to U.S. residence or citizenship. People change their minds about marrying all the time and it really has nothing to do with their country of origin.

Felinessa: “The article mentioned that one of the women had her work permit withdrawn.

Perhaps she lost her right to work legally because she was out of status? Perhaps she forgot to renew her work authorization when it expired? Perhaps the article is full of half-truths and lies meant to misinform and scare gullible women?

Felinassa: “Also, if you withdraw your sponsorship, wouldn't her permanent resident application fall through?”

Maybe, maybe not. Many resident petitions are approved in a few months, so there is normally a small window in which the Affidavit of Support could be withdrawn IF and ONLY IF the government allows your request to withdraw it. After approval, there is nothing to withdraw. For those foreign spouses who have temporary conditional residence and are divorced within 2-years, they can petition for removal of conditions on their own by simply checking a box on the form.

All this nonsense about forcing her to leave, canceling her immigration status, taking away her work permit, etc., is just a bunch of hype to get you all excited. A U.S. citizen can not go to an office and complete a form or call a number and have his or her foreign spouse deported. I highly recommend that you not believe all of the propaganda that the feminist organizations put out because much of it is pure crap. Do your own research if you want the truth.

Ray

[Felinessa]

... in response to More Misinformation, posted by Ray on Jun 22, 2005

"He can NOT force her to leave the country"

He can't directly, but the INS will.  I read the legislation myself: if he won't marry her within the 3 months, she HAS to leave the country, willingly or kicking and screaming.  If she doesn't, she would be banned from entering the US for 10 years.

[Ray]

... in response to Re: More Misinformation, posted by Felinessa on Jun 22, 2005

Felinessa: “…if he won't marry her within the 3 months, she HAS to leave the country, willingly or kicking and screaming. If she doesn't, she would be banned from entering the US for 10 years.”

On paper, yes. In practice, no. It’s good that you are reading the legislation, but you need to remember that law is one thing and enforcement is another. In actuality, virtually nobody will be tracked down and deported for overstaying their visa. If she doesn’t leave, she can probably stay here for many, many years. The 10-year ban would only become applicable if she actually left the country. Why do you think there are an estimated 8-10 million(?) illegals in the U.S.? It would be an overwhelming and cost-prohibitive task to track them all down and deport them, so they just remain.

But getting back to the original thought. So he doesn’t marry her? What’s wrong with that? The fiancée visa is issued with the understanding that the parties INTEND to marry within 90 days. It effectively gives the couple up to 90 days to decide if they actually want to marry before making the final commitment. If one or both decide not to marry, for whatever reason, then why would that worry you or the feminist organizations? If they cancel their wedding plans, then she is supposed to return to her country, just as she agreed to when she applied for the visa. So what’s the big deal? Please don’t try to portray a broken engagement as some kind of abuse or violation of the foreigner’s rights, because it isn’t. Engagements are broken all the time for a variety of reasons.

Not all foreign spouses arrive in the U.S. on a fiancé visa. For those marrying overseas, the usual route is a CR-1 immigrant visa for the spouse. When the foreign spouse steps off the plane, he/she is granted instant legal resident status with all the accompanying rights. Even if the couple were to divorce a week after arrival, the foreign spouse would be allowed to remain here, as long as the marriage was entered into in good faith.

Keep reading and studying Felinessa. You’re learning and you’ll figure out soon enough that the feminist propaganda is not always the real truth :-)

Ray

[Jamie]

... in response to Another Correction, posted by Ray on Jun 23, 2005

I interviewed a Colombian yesterday that overstayed her tourist visa in the States she was there for over 7 years. Worked for many different companies in the U.S. and went back to visit some family in Colombia only to find out she could not get back into the U.S. She does have family in the States that are now trying to get her back in. Unless you are suspect in a crime once you’re in you’re in and no one is going to be looking for you or doing anything about it. With our broken system I would not be surprised if they let her back in again.

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