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Author Topic: the origin of agencies in South America  (Read 3971 times)
Jake
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« on: April 10, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

awhile back someone was asking when did the agencies start in South America . I am not sure when " Cherry Blossum " started , but a agencie "International Freinds " started about 1998 . It was mostly geared to Central America and when you bought a address the money went to help poverty in these countries . this agencie was then sold to a guy Named Mark ...at this same time a guy named "Leo" in Bogota had his own agencie and was dealing a lot with Europe . Another guy named Ed Beckwith got hooked up with and Leo .... and Luz Amparo in Cali and the rest History .... If some one else other info about the earlier times I would like to hear about it .
Jake
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Cali James
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to the origin of agencies in South America , posted by Jake on Apr 10, 2005

[This message has been edited by Cali James]

I went to Bolivia in 1995 and again in 1997 because of an address I purchased from a TLC photo magazine.  TLC was (still is) an address seller and they also sponser tours.  International Friends rings a bell with me.  I think they were a competitor of TLC and were the first to put out a TLC format magizine of Latinas (1993 or 1994).  I think TLC just copied them but made a better product, TLC survived, International Friends did not.  Come to think of it, I believe one of the original TLC owners married his wife through International Friends, probably where he got his idea for the business.
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OkieMan
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: the origin of agencies in South Amer..., posted by Cali James on Apr 11, 2005

Cali James,

That was an interesting post.  But, I am also interested in your trips to Bolivia. How was it?  How would you compare it to Colombia?  I understand that you are married to lady from Cali, correct?  I will be going back to Cali around the end of May to see a calena I have been corresponding with.  Do you have any suggestions on things to do or places to go?  Thanks.

                             OkieMan

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Cali James
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: the origin of agencies in South ..., posted by OkieMan on Apr 11, 2005

[This message has been edited by Cali James]

Bolivia is sometimes referred to as the Tibet of the Americas.  I had a Bolivian novia many years ago and traveled to La Paz on several occasions to spend time with her and her family.  It didn't work out but this was providential as it turned out.  As far as Bolivia goes, I consider the three major cities to be La Paz, Santa Cruz and Cochabamba. American Airlines has fights to La Paz and Santa Cruz.

La Paz is one of the most unique places a person could ever visit.  It is unlike any other place I've ever been and I've traveled quite a bit.  The city is perched up high in the Andes Mountains and sits on what is called the alto-plano or high plataeu in English.  About 60 percent of the people from La Paz are indigenous and are descendants of what were the Inca. There are three official languages spoken in Bolivia, Spanish and the two native languages of Quechua or Aymara. La Paz itself sits in kind of a hole in the high desert.  The hole protects it from the elements but La Paz as you might imagine is not particularly warm.

Bolivian culture at least in La Paz is much more conservative than Colombia. If I were to hazard why, I'd say it was because of the large Indian population. Economically Bolivia is poor.  The people of so called higher class in La Paz live at the bottom of this hole I talked about and as you climb the sides of it, the higher you get the poorer the people become.  On the craters rim or on the alto-plano itself is another large city called El Alto.  The city is very poor and 100% indigenous.  The airport is actually located in El Alto.  When I got off the plane I remember being struck by the altitude, it's somewhere around 13,000 feet. The drive through El Alto and down the craters rim was a real eye opener.  I'd never seen such poverty but the people didn't look particularly sad, rather just going about life as we all do.  I took the same path from the airport to La Paz that Secratary of State Schultz did in the 80's.  The difference being the Bolivians tried to bomb Shultz's motorcade lol.  The indian people are shorter than the mestizos and have very colorful clothing.  You'd see women carrying babies on their backs with interesting hats.

If you ever go to Bolivia, I recommend visiting two places near La Paz.  The first is Lake Titicaca.  It's a huge lake on the altoplano. It's maybe 100 miles long by 50 miles wide.  Part of the lake is in Bolivia and part in Peru.  My Peruvian amiga in San Jose says the Titi part is in Peru and the Caca part in Bolivia lol.  Anyway, it's very interesting and worth visiting.  You can stop along the lake to eat at different places,.  I remember the menu at our stop had trucha (trout) and huge frog legs among other things.  Because Bolivia is landlocked, the Bolivian navy makes it home on Lake Titicaca.  Somehow I found it amusing when they pointed out the little Navy boats to me but they did too.  

The second must see is the Tiahuanaco ruins about 2 hours by bus from La Paz.  I won't tell you much because you can read far more on the internet but the ruins are from a culture more than 2,000 years old.  As I walked around the temple ruins, I had to stop every so often do to the altitude.  Walking up hill was tiring.  I remember on the trip back to La Paz, we caught the last bus going back from the countryside.  It was very packed with people who live off the land literally, it had a very distinct odor lol.

My ex-girlfriend's family were mestizo, very hard working but simple people.  They owned a trucking company and hauled raw materials around La Paz for construction projects.  They were making more money then myself at the time, somewhere around 75K US and owned a lot of property.  This would have made them well to do by Bolivian standards but interestingly enough they were not considered upper class because they were mestizo.  In Bolivia, you could see stratification by color:  white, mestizo and then indian.  However I will say, that in Bolivia, the indigenous people have much more political power than in other Latin American countries.

I did not spend much time in Santa Cruz.  Santa Cruz is a much newer city and not as culturally interesting as La Paz.  It is located on more or less the edge of the Amazon and is not at altitude.  It is a warm humid city and there are few indigenous people living there.  The city boomed a few years back from both oil exploration and the production of coca that occurs nearby.  I remember meeting a few Mennonite's on my A.A. flight and later discovered that there is a large community of them in the Santa Cruz region.  I think Santa Cruz might be good hunting grounds for a guy however.  The women are friendly, attractive and open to international relationships.  I think it was Gary Bala who brought up Santa Cruz as a possible destination and I couldn't agree more.  The women in Santa Cruz look similar to Colombians (although it's hard to beat a Calena lol) but a bit more conservative.  I think Santa Cruz as a destination might be like Colombia 10 years ago but much safer.

If you have any questions about Bolivia please feel free to ask me.

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Patrick
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: the origin of agencies in South Amer..., posted by Cali James on Apr 11, 2005

There were several "agencies" back around 1994-95.  I also used TLC and International Friends.  There were a couple of other small-timers as well who no longer exist.  I think Latin Magic was the first I saw on the internet back around the same time frame.

I paid a little outfit named Latin American Introductions, not to be confused with any service currently using that name, to place ads in three major Mexican cities for me back around 1995.  I was stunned at the response rate.  I was getting letters from 30-35 women per day.  I don't know what's happened in the years since then, but it seems much harder these days.  I don't know if it's more gringo cometition, more skeptism among the women, or something else, but it doesn't work that way anymore.

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OkieMan
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: the origin of agencies in South ..., posted by Patrick on Apr 11, 2005

Patrick,

That is a good post. Do I understand correctly that nothing developed from your correspondence with the Mexican ladies?  Did you get to meet any of them? What parts of Mexico were you getting  your responses?  If so, how would you compare your experiences with Mexican ladies, and the Colombian ladies?  I know that there are some differences, but I am just trying to learn more about your experiences.  Thanks.

                               OkieMan

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Patrick
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: the origin of agencies in So..., posted by OkieMan on Apr 11, 2005

I never met any of them.  There was a long delay in getting the personal ad published in the newspapers and in the mean time I had ordered addresses from TLC and was planning a trip to visit another woman.

As far as the differences in Mexican and Colombian women, I'd say the Mexicans are a bit more conservative.

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Jake
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to the origin of agencies in South America , posted by Jake on Apr 10, 2005

something to add to this  , I can remember reading the newspaper In Costa Rica in the late 80's men taking ads in the local "Tica Times" looking for wifes . This was also Leo in Bogota way of helping men . When I met Leo in 1998 or 1999 there was very few american men there . I was in Bogota for 2 weeks amd met one other gringo , and he was trying to start his own agencie ..I have no idea what happened  to him .....
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