Panama: An alternative meeting place

[bcc_1_2]

So you were BS'ing about these 'higher end' clubs for older people in colombia...not surprised...

Nope, I never used the term Colombia. Clubs aren't for people in their 50s and 60s. This is true. You brought up Colombia. Not me. In Castros there are a lot of older men and women.
edit- check that after shaking out the cobwebs there are some salsa clubs in San Fernando in Cali. Middle aged gringos.

[fathertime]

HERE IS WHAT I SAID

#2  You know of places in Colombia that cater to older crowds?  Go ahead and name them then.  I think you are BS'ing again.    In addition...I didn't want an older lady so I wouldn't be interested in a 'higher end club' that caters to older crowds.


Fathertime!


HERE IS YOUR RESPONSE ABOUT A HIGH END CLUB FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR 50's AND UP IN COSTA RICA. 

Castro's in San Jose, Costa Rica definitely does. There are a couple other bars on the other side of town escazu/santa ana that do as well. 

So yeah I think you were BS'ing..nobody was talking about "COSTA RICA"....in addition...I don't think many people visiting this site are looking to strike up a relationship with a 55 year old foreign lady, unless they are elderly than maybe...

[bcc_1_2]

HERE IS WHAT I SAID


So yeah I think you were BS'ing..nobody was talking about "COSTA RICA"...

Ah you mean that country connected to Panama? I know some older gringos that go out in Panama City too for that matter. Heck a guy in his 50s out chasing as young as he can get...  IDK why you are bringing up Colombia in a thread about traveling to Panama for that matter  .
It's just a weak sauce argument. If you and another poster aren't comfortable with the club scene that's cool as nobody says you have to go there. But if you are hitting up the nightlife in Latin America it sure helps to dress a certain way. That's my only point and it is pretty obvious to anyone having success with the nightlife.

[fathertime]

  But if you are hitting up the nightlife in Latin America it sure helps to dress a certain way. That's my only point and it is pretty obvious to anyone having success with the nightlife.

Obvious to ANYONE?  So there is no room for other opinions...you are  correct and we should all be rapt students listening to the 'great bcc' tell us more experienced men what to wear....




I don't believe you are an expert on how older men should be dressing..your earlier recommendations about tight high end clothing, just to put on a false front was immature and silly...fine for a kid I guess. 


Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

  about tight high end clothing,

CK makes loose clothing. Izod is not tight at all. You just focused in on my club wear comment or don't know anything about two major popular brands.

[benjio]

And it is true that you weren't on the prowl.

That's what I was saying earlier. If there's a certain way you like to dress, you're already in a serious relationship your girlfriend accepts you that way, why bother with the change? My comments were directed more towards guys that are still searching. No one will have to tell you that you need to dress more formally if you're trying to go to a decent club in Colombia. The door man not letting you in because of the club's dress code will be more than enough.

[Awesome]

Colombian women are attracted to american men, period.

[benjio]

CK makes loose clothing. Izod is not tight at all. You just focused in on my club wear comment or don't know anything about two major popular brands.

Izod? Popular? HA!!!! 

[Awesome]

Hey bcc why don't you take a break from being the fashion police for a minute and answer my question in the trip reports section.

[fathertime]

Hey bcc why don't you take a break from being the fashion police for a minute and answer my question in the trip reports section.

Bcc wrote a bunch more negative crap about Colombian women on that thread as usual, as if he knows everything Colombian from his 2 or so visits....I did find another fashion gem though that he wrote.


BCC FASHION REMARKS[size=78%].[/size][size=78%]  [/size]

could consider wearing a suit to look serious and professional. Middle Aged/Older guys might consider just a designer shirt to look youthful. 

[size=78%]What an presumptuous fool telling everybody how to dress....why does he think all men have to wear 'designer clothing' and work hard to 'look younger'? I've been comfy enough being slightly older![/size]

[size=78%]Fathertime!  [/size]

[Awesome]

Oh yea that makes perfect sense let me make sure to pack a 3 piece suit to go around a tropical central american country so I can look "serious and professional".  Lmao!!

[bcc_1_2]

Bcc wrote a bunch more negative crap about Colombian women on that thread as usual, as if he knows everything Colombian from his 2 or so visits....I did find another fashion gem though that he wrote.


BCC FASHION REMARKS[size=78%].[/size][size=78%]  [/size]

the suit can be a pretty good option and is used for the newspaper photos.

[JamesDonut]

Sorry but I just couldn't resist.

Every woman is going to judge guys in her own ways. But let's be serious for a minute. Go look up a hush puppies tennis shoe versus a nike shoe. If you are attracted to the hush puppies you might want to consider help. There are hair cuts and clothing that ages people and ones that make them look younger. This is true for women and men. My advice is to try and put your BEST foot forward.

So if someone prefers Converse or Adidas over Nike, do they need a shrink also?

Are you still competing again?  Go team bcc go! 
From what I've seen in colombia there are more than enough available women. That means if a middle aged guy wants to be comfortable in his clothing he doesn't have to worry about it too much.

Excuses 101 on why not to look your best. If you don't hit the clubs forget it as it doesn't apply. If you want to hit the clubs and compete you gotta look the part. If the club talk doesn't apply to you just don't worry about it. Leave it to others that hunt there.

BCC, I think you misunderstood.  What beulah is really saying is that you can rock a pair of good looking hush puppies with a nice pair of dress slacks like Dockers. (Yes I said it)  Looking sharp and dressing comfortably are not mutually exclusive by any means.  Nor does a brand name make or break how nice someone looks.  Naming brands and following "rules" on how one should dress sounds like high school stuff to me.   And to top it off, some of us aren't looking for a high maintenance Paris Hilton type.  Rather someone who will accept us for who we are, even if we are wearing hush puppies.   

[bcc_1_2]

So if someone prefers Converse or Adidas over Nike, do they need a shrink also?

Na, those are all good. Just not these... https://www.google.com/shopping/product/14602560915888138495?sclient=psy-ab&q=hush+puppies+tennis+shoes+mens&oq=hush+puppies+tennis+shoes+mens&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.56146854,d.aWc,pv.xjs.s.en_US.zw3S-PWncBk.O&biw=1680&bih=904&tch=1&ech=1&psi=ZhqBUpa-MoORygHlhoGgBg.1384192615163.5&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX-4xh6xcqBLtyEDpTndohbr12eu4S31a0og1tZwBL5dLMcDX5FWeoUmlp-_12JPqwTUQ4p4bwKnIveeQFAL7-xp4qJ9o8s0kMb7fQ_Ar9by-RNkElRIZAFPVH7360IX7FZkCozBgEPzz-6ddG9kB-g&ei=ehqBUoX1MaSEygHM8IGYCw&ved=0CO8EEKYrMBw

What beulah is really saying is that you can rock a pair of good looking hush puppies with a nice pair of dress slacks like Dockers.

Na not the shoes. But Dockers, sure they definitely qualify as slacks. Other than for club wear they do fit the bill just fine.

[whitey]

I'm going to have to come down on the fashion police side.  Shaving off the facial hair and not wearing shorts in latin america (unless you are at home, the hotel, the gym, beach/pool, or a few limited tourist spots like Cartagena or Santa Marta if you are in Colombia) is good advice.  If I wasn't the one that said that to Stevie before his first trip, I was thinking it.


Most colombianas do not like facial hair, but of course some don't mind and some like it ... so if you're not married to that "goat tee", best to shave it off.  If you don't want to, then by all means be yourself. 



This doesn't mean you *can't* get a woman looking that way, you're just making it way harder on yourself then necessary, and not doing your woman any favours.  If you don't think her family and friends will be joking about the aloha shirt and shorts gringo, then you're mistaken.


About dressing like Colombian men or dressing younger ... I think I'd just say to dress like a grown up, wear some big boy shoes when you go out and leave the sneakers at home, and leave the dad jeans at home too ... wear pants and shirts that fit you and aren't all baggy.


BTW Stevie, none of this is ragging on you ... nothing wrong with wearing shorts around the hotel or pool as you've said.


All right, now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my pajamas and head down to Wal-mart for some shopping ...

[mambocowboy]

Oh yea that makes perfect sense let me make sure to pack a 3 piece suit to go around a tropical central american country so I can look "serious and professional".  Lmao!!

Yeah, why not add a briefcase and an Ipad to the ensemble?

[beulah]

Yeah, why not add a briefcase and an Ipad to the ensemble?

bcc will only approve if is a namebrand designer briefcase.

[stnmasn]

Stevieboy i was certainly unnecessarily  harsh in my commentary on your style of dressing and that definitely wasn't deserved. I appreciate that you posted the pics of your trip and your very attractive novia.
 My points i feel are valid but the form in which i expressed myself was not fair nor helpful and I offer my apologies for that.     I couldn't care less if you accept my apologies, but you didn't deserve the harsh approach that I took towards your fashion sense and i feel that you deserve the apology.


But guys should take notice of what they wear.   Maybe a colombian woman will accept the sloppy dressing style. (of course in the beginning she will accept it because she doesn't want to scare a potential life improvement away…aka sugar daddy) but she IS thinking  to herself "hmmmm el no sabe como vestirse bien para nada pero con tiempo puedo ensenarle." 
She is also thinking about how the rest of her family and friends will think about how sloppily her novio is dressed.


Dont think for a second that every other member of her family doesn't notice or care because they all do and they will ALL take whatever shred of whatever thing negative they can find about the novio and talk about it amongst themselves,,,(chismosando).  Guys dont think the family of your woman is above doing that either, because they ARE doing it!!!!


[/size]A 3 piece suit looks good, dont knock the 3 piece. I wonder if there are many here who own one?[size=78%]
[/size] In the right situation the 3piece is the way to go  in COlombia or USA.[size=78%]

[/size]Jeans are fine ….but please clean jeans without holes….and collars. WHy is that so difficult.  I dont understand why long pants and collars are such a difficult sell. So what if it is hot down there. There are nice lightweight collared shirts and slacks. They dont have to be top brands but they should be nice and newer.     But of course as many know,, designer brands sure do look good. and as many know,,the designer brands are REALLY appreciated in the colombian culture. [size=78%]

[/size]Gosh i think that many of the men down there dress sharply. Yes the fashions are more flamboyant for some but this IS a different culture….but in general i have noticed that the men try to look sharp down there. [size=78%]
[/size]It seems to me that The average man in colombia  puts much more effort in looking sharp than the average man in the USA here…but that of course is just my opinion. [size=78%]

[/size] I find that in this country we take casual to a different level, in that we believe we should go casual in most every situation. [size=78%]

[/size]Stevieboy once again my apologies for being  unnecessarily harsh with you, and best of luck with your fiancee. [size=78%]

[bcc_1_2]

My points i feel are valid but the form in which i expressed myself was not fair nor helpful and I offer my apologies for that.   

That's taking the high road. You clearly understand how to dress to impress in Latin America and that gives you an advantage. And I'm not gonna lie I love the ego trip that can come along with it in Latin America. Well in Costa Rica the service in terrible, but in Mexico and Colombia the service was pretty top notch. Nothing beats pulling up to whatever venue is currently "in" and walking past the line of local people right in just because you are a gringo and dressed the part. Then you just go VIP and you can call/invite over whoever you like. And compared to the States that's very affordable.
The dating scene/nightlife was just 1000% better than the States, and I make no excuses for taking advantage of that. But forget the nightlife... dressing the part in general just has its perks in how you get treated.

[Stevieboy]

Stevieboy i was certainly unnecessarily  harsh in my commentary on your style of dressing and that definitely wasn't deserved. I appreciate that you posted the pics of your trip and your very attractive novia.
 My points i feel are valid but the form in which i expressed myself was not fair nor helpful and I offer my apologies for that.     I couldn't care less if you accept my apologies, but you didn't deserve the harsh approach that I took towards your fashion sense and i feel that you deserve the apology.

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No apologies necessary, however, appreciate your high class gesture. We're all grown men here, and although we may disagree in certain aspects because our situations aren't all the same, we can at least learn from each other. Love, peace and hair grease.     

[stnmasn]

Gracias Stevieboy

[robert angel]

Fashion wise, first of all, you have to be true to yourself. That said, I've still let my wife redo my wardrobe to an extent to where it's more 'contemporary'.  But I never went in for square toe dress shoes or the casual Sketchers type stuff she'd like me to wear. Too trendy. Instead of the Fruit of the loom T shirts I was fine with before, I have a lot of super fine, high thread count cotton V neck T shirts, a lot in pastel colors. My dress shirts are all cotton--a lot of pin points, whereas before I was fine with a cotton blend dress shirt. I tend to wear fitted clothes more than before.

 
She washes and presses everything and places my clothes out for me each morning, but I while she's preparing my lunch to go, I'll occasionally change out some of what she's chosen. She insists on rolling up my shirt sleeves 'just so' before I go. She really dislikes my 'lazy day' old Ralph Lauren faded denim shirts, the LL Bean, Woolrich, Cabelas flannel stuff, as well as my cowboy boots and some hats. She dreads camel and plaid flannel, LOL. They might find their way into the guest bedroom closet, but on a cool fall Saturday, I'll find them, put them on and she'll groan, but she'll bear it.

 
When we're at our family home in Key West or otherwise in a tropical environment, if we're not on or by the salt water, it's dress/casual. We have a mango and papaya tree along side the pool, so I definitely pack shorts and swim 'board shorts' and wearing that, ride my bike to around the corner to grab a paper or some Cuban take out food.

 
Again, to each his own, but I like the cut and look of Lacoste polos  better than R.L's, I like the aforementioned ultrafine T's, topped with a light, deconstructed blazer along with linen slacks, braided belts, Salvatore Ferragamo shoes. (oh well--I'll slum around in Cole Hann footwear &  Ecco shoes/sandals in the sandy, salty streets sometimes) I'll pack a couple pale pink dress shirts (chicks dig a straight guy with manicured nails, in a pale pink dress shirt--(something that I can wear tucked in or out) with dress pants or jeans. I bring an all white dress shirt, (just in case) as well as a pin striped white dress shirt. Gave my cufflinks to my older son.

 
Add some Oakley, Maui Jim or old vintage Ray Ban sunglasses and you can look good w/o looking overdressed. Rocking a nice watch, walking like I mean it with my honey on my arm, and we've never been turned away from any trendy restaurant or club in Key West or South Beach.

 
Except for very few areas in the Philippines, I'd dress a bit differently to blend in more. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". Bottom line is I've got to be comfortable, so I'll often skip the socks no matter where I am, including at the office, right here in the US of A. If anybody wants a great deal on neckties, I probably have 300 of them to spare--as except for a rare social event requiring one, or some holiday motif neckties, I'm done with neckties! (nooses)

 
If Bcc wants to wear an  Izod polo, pleated khakis and Bass Weejuns, it probably suits him to a 'T', so be it!

[fathertime]

 
If Bcc wants to wear an  Izod polo, pleated khakis and Bass Weejuns, it probably suits him to a 'T', so be it!

Very good Robert!  I think it would be even more becoming if he wore a lampshade over his head, speedos, and clown shoes.


Fathertime!

[thekfc]

A 3 piece suit looks good, dont knock the 3 piece. I wonder if there are many here who own one?

I own four 3-piece suits - one in each of the basic fashion colors - Black, Navy, Grey & Brown.....as well as a few 2-piece. 

[gyounger]

I think it comes down to personal taste.
I've learn better not to stereotype.
When I first visited my gf/now wife, I wore nice slacks and a button down.

Next think I know, we're at Ripleys (dept. store) shopping for tees and jeans and shorts for me.
She prefers me looking casual when we're out.
Go figure.