Panama: An alternative meeting place

[bcc_1_2]

His dressing advice? Also laughable. Mc is right in that it was humid, and we were on the coast. .       

Hopefully we can at least agree that in Latin America dressing in nice slacks and a collared shirt is advantageous for chica hunting. I would certainly hope that you and he could agree on that. There are breathable fabrics so you can stay "cool" in long sleeves too.
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Mossimo, shorts by Tony Hawk, and shoes by Vans.       

Well nobody can get on you for dressing like an old man because that is most certainly not the case with those brands. We don't share the same style. And since you weren't on the hunt it is really a moot point to me, but I must stress that shorts are mostly a gringo thing in Latin America (when we are talking about the male gender). At least let's be culturally honest about hat.
I remember in the 90s when Mossimo and Stussy was really popular. The last I saw Mossimo was sold at Target and the quality of the clothing went way down from the 90s. I don't really suggest those brands but it is far better than the Hawaiian shirts and socks with sandals that I do see.
In your case it doesn't really matter as you aren't hunting, but the reality is guys can give themselves a leg up by how they dress. Everyone can wear what they like, but if they are looking for that leg up there are some real rules to go by. 

[Stevieboy]

Are you really that stupid?  I've got some pretty fair sized arms especially for an older guy but I wouldn't be caught dead or alive in some tight armani exchange shirt.  Are you really going to give fashion advise-bling- to guys now?  A collar is common sense when out at night meeting ladies.

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Wholly shiete that was a funny image in my head.  Why not dress like these guys? They're all the rage it appears.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ellecanada.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Fashion-street-style-men1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ellecanada.com/blog/2012/07/25/colombian-men-are-the-real-fashionistas-at-fashion-week/&h=646&w=1095&sz=593&tbnid=KtgtF1MWGgZP3M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=153&zoom=1&usg=__dk8leCO7kj6qAVHgf0sq-JOSElQ=&docid=vJQOfIdTw_X3TM&sa=X&ei=dG-AUoHdIOKn2AWM0oHABA&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAQ
 

[bcc_1_2]

Are you really that stupid?  I've got some pretty fair sized arms especially for an older guy but I wouldn't be caught dead or alive in some tight armani exchange shirt.  Are you really going to give fashion advise-bling- to guys now?  A collar is common sense when out at night meeting ladies.

Yes and Armani Exchange makes lots of collared shirts. Go back and use your higher order reading skills. First I wrote it didn't apply to most but only the guys that went to the high end clubs. This is why I've tried to be nice and see stevie's point of view. Because I don't wear Armani Exchange out with my wife now. I wear comfortable [snip] that I like. But at high end clubs it is different and you are putting your best foot forward.
You need to look at the context of my advice and also be familiar with the clubs I'm talking about.

[Stevieboy]

I remember in the 90s when Mossimo and Stussy was really popular. The last I saw Mossimo was sold at Target and the quality of the clothing went way down from the 90s. I don't really suggest those brands but it is far better than the Hawaiian shirts and socks with sandals that I do see.

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Ahh, grasshoppa, and that's why I wear those brands. They're from my generation, including Tony hawk. 
 

[fathertime]

I urge everyone to get some fresh threads (with a collar) before traveling. Make sure your kicks are new looking too.
Guys if you are dating 10 or 12 years younger you need to dress 10 or 12 years younger. That might mean getting some help if you need it.

#1...Who the hell says if you are dating younger women you have to dress younger or try to look younger?  How about just dressing like you feel like dressing? Reasonably well and normal..   


#2...When meeting ladies I would dress in dress pants and a button down collared shirt...after I got comfy with a woman I would bust out my shorts...during the days if i were alone, then I would wear shorts if I wanted to...Now that i've gotten even older I might only pack 1 pair of shorts and my trunks in addition to lots of NORMAL dress clothing..not some stupid higher fashion crap.


Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

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Ahh, grasshoppa, and that's why I wear those brands. They're from my generation, including Tony hawk. 

That's why I'm not trying to beat you down. You aren't the Hawaiian shirt/black socks gringo. I just find it troubling here that whenever I post solid advice that works (like dressing your best) there are always people that want to push back on it. It's like the competition worries people are something. This is a competition you are competing with other gringos and locals.
You took it to an extreme posting so ultra fem looking clothing on a Colombian guy. I'm just speaking from real experience in the clubs what it takes.

[beulah]

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Wholly shiete that was a funny image in my head.  Why not dress like these guys? They're all the rage it appears.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ellecanada.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Fashion-street-style-men1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ellecanada.com/blog/2012/07/25/colombian-men-are-the-real-fashionistas-at-fashion-week/&h=646&w=1095&sz=593&tbnid=KtgtF1MWGgZP3M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=153&zoom=1&usg=__dk8leCO7kj6qAVHgf0sq-JOSElQ=&docid=vJQOfIdTw_X3TM&sa=X&ei=dG-AUoHdIOKn2AWM0oHABA&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAQNice
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Nice stevie.  Take bcc's fashion advise and you can look like an overdressed fool, but at least you will be young and fashionable.

[Stevieboy]

#1...Who the hell says if you are dating younger women you have to dress younger or try to look younger?  How about just dressing like you feel like dressing? Reasonably well and normal..   


#2...When meeting ladies I would dress in dress pants and a button down collared shirt...after I got comfy with a woman I would bust out my shorts...during the days if i were alone, then I would wear shorts if I wanted to...Now that i've gotten even older I might only pack 1 pair of shorts and my trunks in addition to lots of NORMAL dress clothing..not some stupid higher fashion crap.


Fathertime!

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Seeing as we're around the same age, did you ever wear a Members Only jacket?    Do you still have it?

[Hector_Lavoe]

Yes and Armani Exchange makes lots of collared shirts. Go back and use your higher order reading skills. First I wrote it didn't apply to most but only the guys that went to the high end clubs. This is why I've tried to be nice and see stevie's point of view. Because I don't wear Armani Exchange out with my wife now. I wear comfortable [snip] that I like. But at high end clubs it is different and you are putting your best foot forward.
You need to look at the context of my advice and also be familiar with the clubs I'm talking about.

 
But who asked you for your fashion advice? Nobody did. You just can't go a day without telling other people how much you (think) you know. Stevie is not a newbie asking for advice as he prepares for his first trip south of the border. He is reporting about a very successful trip. His results tell the only story that matters.

[bcc_1_2]

#1...Who the hell says if you are dating younger women you have to dress younger or try to look younger?

Man, we actually agree on this. You already said you put your best foot forward with a collared shirt and slacks. That's all I'm saying and we actually agree. But there is a difference from Jamie's agency and the high end clubs of Latin America. I am telling you from experience that the gringos in their 20s/30s/40s that are trying (successfully) to get these young Latinas in clubs are dressing a certain way. I am describing it. You might not like it, but it is real information.

[beulah]

That's why I'm not trying to beat you down. You aren't the Hawaiian shirt/black socks gringo. I just find it troubling here that whenever I post solid advice that works (like dressing your best) there are always people that want to push back on it. It's like the competition worries people are something. This is a competition you are competing with other gringos and locals.
You took it to an extreme posting so ultra fem looking clothing on a Colombian guy. I'm just speaking from real experience in the clubs what it takes.

Are you still competing again?  Go team bcc go! 
From what I've seen in colombia there are more than enough available women. That means if a middle aged guy wants to be comfortable in his clothing he doesn't have to worry about it too much.

[bcc_1_2]

From what I've seen in colombia there are more than enough available women.

Excuses 101 on why not to look your best. If you don't hit the clubs forget it as it doesn't apply. If you want to hit the clubs and compete you gotta look the part. If the club talk doesn't apply to you just don't worry about it. Leave it to others that hunt there.

[Stevieboy]

That's why I'm not trying to beat you down. You aren't the Hawaiian shirt/black socks gringo. I just find it troubling here that whenever I post solid advice that works (like dressing your best) there are always people that want to push back on it. It's like the competition worries people are something. This is a competition you are competing with other gringos and locals.
You took it to an extreme posting so ultra fem looking clothing on a Colombian guy. I'm just speaking from real experience in the clubs what it takes.

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Jajaja. Dude, the link wasn't to knock you down. This all started when some members here claimed that a man going to Colombia needed to shave his face and dress as the Colombians do if they had any chance of hooking up. I say that's BS, and women like Americans' style anyway whether dressed up or not, and that a gringo shouldn't try to be a Colombian man, if he's from New York. I find Colombian men's style goofy and absurd. I would'nt be caught dead dressed like them, hence the link of the goofy teenagers. I also wouldn't wear a polo shirt with a giant Hollister patch sewn on the front of it with jeans and sparckly colored stitching embroidered on my back pockets. Yeah, baby!

[fathertime]

Man, we actually agree on this. You already said you put your best foot forward with a collared shirt and slacks. That's all I'm saying and we actually agree. But there is a difference from Jamie's agency and the high end clubs of Latin America. I am telling you from experience that the gringos in their 20s/30s/40s that are trying (successfully) to get these young Latinas in clubs are dressing a certain way. I am describing it. You might not like it, but it is real information.

There may be an audience interested in 'high end clubs'...but that is about the LAST place i would be interested in visiting in Colombia....if I were MUCH younger..then maybe just for the novelty of it...I've been to what I would call a normal very nice club in colombia *with my wife* and we had a good time...but I wasn't trying to pick up new chicks.  I don't see it as a conducive environment for a guy 40+ years old foreigner (and looking all of my age) to pick up women...at least not for me...I'd feel like a fish outta water....maybe some of the other older guys here like and do well at these 'higher end clubs'...but I would think MOST of the guys that are seriously looking for marriage would be seeking other venues to find their lady.


Fathertime! 

[Hector_Lavoe]

Stevie: Great report! A gripping read for sure. Congrats on finding such a nice lady.
 
Seems the fashion police are out to get you. Could be a regional thing (within the USA I mean) as the posters complaining hail from the Midwest and New England (which tend toward the stuffy/preppy). I am from So. Calif. where the lifestyle is more relaxed. So I appreciate your style (and recognize WHERE you were mattered a lot too).
 
Again, great stuff. Great result! Best of luck going forward.
 
 

[bcc_1_2]

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This all started when guys here claimed that a man going to Colombia needed to shave his face and dress as the Colombians do if they had any chance of hooking up.

Oh well I don't know about all that. Hell my goal was to look better than the locals. My goal was only to make it obvious that first dates should include pants and a collared shirt and someone misread and took my club advice as something you should wear to the grocery store or something.

[Stevieboy]

Oh well I don't know about all that. Hell my goal was to look better than the locals. My goal was only to make it obvious that first dates should include pants and a collared shirt and someone misread and took my club advice as something you should wear to the grocery store or something.

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Well that's another one of my arguments. Men shouldn't tell other men how to dress. If you've got a one inch pecker and have a goiter on your neck, yet are getting laid, who gives a f*ck. Look at Ron Jeremy... . Wait a minute, the hedge hog doesn't have a...never mind.

[bcc_1_2]

There may be an audience interested in 'high end clubs'

It's a very large audience. Then again BAQ isn't a business hub or tourist town so we are comparing apples and oranges in our travels.

I don't see it as a conducive environment for a guy 40+ years old foreigner (and looking all of my age) to pick up women...at least not for me...I'd feel like a fish outta water

I can think of venues that cater to older local crowds (not just 20 somethings)

but I would think MOST of the guys that are seriously looking for marriage would be seeking other venues to find their lady.

Women like to dress up and go out on Friday and Saturday night. I wouldn't stereotype these women. You get lots of young professionals out. I would agree that it shouldn't be the only dating venue. But it is a fantastic way to network.
 

[bcc_1_2]

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Well that's another one of my arguments. Men shouldn't tell other men how to dress. If you've got a one inch pecker and have a goiter on your neck, yet are getting laid, who gives a f*ck. Look at Ron Jeremy... . Wait a minute, the hedge hog doesn't have a...never mind.

I noted earlier that I disagreed with the terms he used to describe your attire.  That being said I do think first impressions matter. I'd like to think I wasn't picky about looks, but when it comes down to it benjio has highlighted on here how important looks are to men. If you are chasing insanely hot tail it sure helps to have every advantage you can have. I think there is a difference from telling someone how they must dress versus suggesting advantages for guys looking for them.
In your quote I didn't see any reference to the attractiveness of the women "putting out".

[fathertime]

I can think of venues that cater to older local crowds (not just 20 somethings)Women like to dress up and go out on Friday and Saturday night. I wouldn't stereotype these women.

#1  Who is stereotyping Colombian women?  WTF are you talking about?  If anything...you are the categorizer and stereotyper.


#2  You know of places in Colombia that cater to older crowds?  Go ahead and name them then.  I think you are BS'ing again.    In addition...I didn't want an older lady so I wouldn't be interested in a 'higher end club' that caters to older crowds.


Fathertime! 

[Stevieboy]

If you are chasing insanely hot tail it sure helps to have every advantage you can have. I think there is a difference from telling someone how they must dress versus suggesting advantages for guys looking for them.
In your quote I didn't see any reference to the attractiveness of the women "putting out".

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Some of us aren't looking for insanely hot women. They're much more to handle than I care for, and I'm not a Cassanova. Let's not forget, the women have to impress us as well. My chick isnt that hot. Infact, Ive had hotter, but she has what I desire inside and out, so I put a ring on her finger. What quote of putting out are you talking about? 

[bcc_1_2]

#2  You know of places in Colombia that cater to older crowds? 

Castro's in San Jose, Costa Rica definitely does. There are a couple other bars on the other side of town escazu/santa ana that do as well. There are plenty of guys in their 40s out at clubs in Colombia. But you are correct in that I can't think of any clubs specifically designed for grandpa. Actually I can be they are P4P.

but I would think MOST of the guys that are seriously looking for marriage would be seeking other venues to find their lady

You wrote this about the nightlife scene. So if there are lots of professional (career) women that go out on weekends... why would guys not want to take advantage of that?

[Stevieboy]

Nice stevie.  Take bcc's fashion advise and you can look like an overdressed fool, but at least you will be young and fashionable.

Funny huh? All I googled was "Colombian men style", and those geniuses were the first on the list. They were also in other links too. 

[bcc_1_2]

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Some of us aren't looking for insanely hot women. They're much more to handle than I care for, and I'm not a Cassanova. Let's not forget, the women have to impress us as well. My chick isnt that hot. Infact, Ive had hotter, but she has what I desire inside and out, so I put a ring on her finger. What quote of putting out are you talking about?

You just had a quote about a guy getting laid (that I quoted above). I was just thinking there are lots of AW petting their cats at home that would be happy to put out that would of course not be of any interest.
For me personally going out to the clubs was part of the process and it highlighted the difference between the AW bar scene and Latin America.
I'm going to post a link to photo examples of differences between nightlife in Colombia versus the USA. 
http://www.globaldatingsolution.com/women-of-the-nightlife.html

[fathertime]

Castro's in San Jose, Costa Rica definitely does. There are a couple other bars on the other side of town escazu/santa ana that do as well. There are plenty of guys in their 40s out at clubs in Colombia. But you are correct in that I can't think of any clubs specifically designed for grandpa. Actually I can be they are P4P. You wrote this about the nightlife scene. So if there are lots of professional (career) women that go out on weekends... why would guys not want to take advantage of that?

So you were BS'ing about these 'higher end' clubs for older people in colombia...not surprised...

. You wrote this about the nightlife scene. So if there are lots of professional (career) women that go out on weekends... why would guys not want to take advantage of that?

You were speaking of 'higher end clubs' and I said I would not be interested in visiting them as a somewhat older person...here are some of the reasons, some of which are specific to me.
1.  I don't believe the young colombian ladies that are visiting these places would be looking for a guy like me.....and I don't blame them.
2.  I am not much of a dancer...and I sure as hell would not be wearing the 'high end threads' that you are jabbering about.
3.  I am more of a day person, and don't want to be engaged in superficial conversation in a loud nightclub using a second language trying to decipher rapid fire Colombian spanish while possibly drinking.


hey if some older guys can handle all this and would enjoy themselves, I say the more power to them,..they are better than me in that respect...I know my own limitations and i am pretty sure quite a few other guys would feel the same way..






Fathertime!