Zimmerman and the violent protests.

[fathertime]

I completely reject all these protests concerning Trayvon Martin and his skittles.  The system received enough pressure to try this case so they bowed down and did it.  Now the jury made it’s decision based on the facts of the case (and the prosecution tried to hold back evidence) and other damning facts were disallowed, despite this, Zimmerman was not found innocent.  The media (Piers Morgan), and black leaders are stirring up the masses by omitting/convoluting, and intentionally misleading.  Masses of people are rendered are ignorant or willfully blind of the details of this case, which never had any merit as a Murder two or manslaughter case.   


At some point it is time for the silent and scared majority to stand up and counter protest these fools, shout them down, risk getting called a racist, risk having bottles thrown at you.  Don't just let this group of ignoramus' free-roll.   The way to get your way in America is to get out on the streets in mass and force the govt. to start representing you the way you want to be represented.  Maybe there is no leader strong enough to coalesce around or maybe somewhere along the way the American people have just lost IT, got fat and complacent.  Whatever it is, the gap between what our ‘representatives’ are doing and what we think they should be doing is growing wider, not smaller, and people sit there and take it...so as the expression goes, we get the 'leaders' we deserve.


Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

I completely reject all these protests concerning Trayvon Martin and his skittles. 

Don't forget his Arnold Palmer iced tea now. Pretty sure it was MSNBC that pushed this. Morgan was pretty late to the party. Nobody knows exactly what happened because nobody witnessed it and the evidence didn't paint an exact picture. This is why Zimmerman walked. He ignored the 911 instructions and he was clearly in way over his head. I'm sure the black guys on here have racial profiling tales... but they didn't go a beat the crap out of the profiler either. This is just a situation that did not have to happen and both sides are in the wrong to one degree or another. It sucks nobody saw what went down.
The prosecution screwed up by not giving the jury more options... some prison time would have calmed most people.

[JWR]

Zimmerman accurately profiled a burglar.  Martin had been caught with women's jewelry, wedding rings, diamond ear rings and a screw driver in a bag.  That is documented and not just rumor.  He may as well been shot while he burglarized a house.  Zimmerman was a watch captain, and was watching Martin, who was a drug using criminal most likely supporting his habit with robbery.  .  If Zimmerman just wanted to shoot Martin, he wouldn't have waited til he had a broken nose ànd his head smashed on the cement.  I'm sick of hearing about race.  We have a re elected black president after all.  I'm no racist but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot this criminal burglarizing my house.  Zimmerman did us all a favor.

[mambocowboy]

I completely reject all these protests concerning Trayvon Martin and his skittles.  The system received enough pressure to try this case so they bowed down and did it.  Now the jury made it’s decision based on the facts of the case (and the prosecution tried to hold back evidence) and other damning facts were disallowed, despite this, Zimmerman was not found innocent.  The media (Piers Morgan), and black leaders are stirring up the masses by omitting/convoluting, and intentionally misleading.  Masses of people are rendered are ignorant or willfully blind of the details of this case, which never had any merit as a Murder two or manslaughter case.   


At some point it is time for the silent and scared majority to stand up and counter protest these fools, shout them down, risk getting called a racist, risk having bottles thrown at you.  Don't just let this group of ignoramus' free-roll.   The way to get your way in America is to get out on the streets in mass and force the govt. to start representing you the way you want to be represented.  Maybe there is no leader strong enough to coalesce around or maybe somewhere along the way the American people have just lost IT, got fat and complacent.  Whatever it is, the gap between what our ‘representatives’ are doing and what we think they should be doing is growing wider, not smaller, and people sit there and take it...so as the expression goes, we get the 'leaders' we deserve.


Fathertime!

Piers Morgan makes me want to vomit. And as for MSNBC, Al Sharpton has his own show on their channel! Despite attempts to hang George Zimmerman in the media, he ultimately was declared Not Guilty in a  Florida court because there was so much reasonable doubt about "ill will and spite." Simple as that... As a white man, I am so tired of the race card being played. Why do these "activists/social engineers" get upset about "profiling," when they also make all sorts of prejudicial assumptions about middle class whites like myself?  Is there racial discrimination in this country? Yes, absolutely, but this is entirely the wrong case to be complaining about racial discrimination. All the protesting and race baiting is incredibly divisive and does way more harm than good for everybody in this country...As for the Skittles and Iced Tea that is being held up as a sign of Trayvon Martin's innocence , there's plenty of evidence (which the defense wasn't allowed to introduce in the case) to suggest it was likely going to be used to make purple drank...

[mambocowboy]

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

[bcc_1_2]

Zimmerman accurately profiled a burglar.  Martin had been caught with women's jewelry, wedding rings, diamond ear rings and a screw driver in a bag. 

I believe the officer that made that statement. The way you wrote that made it seem like Martin had it on him that day... or at least you didn't clearly state that this was something that happened in his past. He was on the phone with his cow of a girlfriend at the time so it is very unclear what Martin was doing. You could argue he might have been doing prep work for a later job. But he didn't have the tools on him... plus he was on his phone and was just at the store buying snacks. The NBA All-Star game was that night and it was noted that he was on his way home to watch that game. If you are being honest the whole situation is just very unclear.

[fathertime]

  If you are being honest the whole situation is just very unclear.

 I’m afraid I’m going to have to agree with BCC in regards to things not being entirely clear.  T. Martin was no saint, although he is being canonized as one by some of society, on par with MLK, Mandela, etc.  I’m exaggerating, but seriously this wasn’t anything like what happened to Robert Byrd in Texas or that poor 13 year old black kid in Wisconsin. * Please excuse this horrid website rag I gleaned this from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/john-henry-spooner-video-darius-simmons_n_3612378.html
Zimmerman MAY HAVE been too overzealous for his own good.  From the evidence I’ve read/listened too/seen , T. Martin began the physical confrontation.  I don’t believe Zimmerman wanted to fight what must have appeared to be a tall fit black young man in the obligatory baggy gang attire.  Zimmerman could have been knocked unconscious or killed by the time he finally pulled out his gun.

  I’ve listened to the interrogation tapes of Zimmerman taken right after the incident and he comes across as not overly intelligent, but not overly dumb either.  What he said seems to be consistent with his injuries and what other neighbors saw/heard.  I give that horrid looking ‘girlfriend’ very little credibility because she was apparently close with T. Martin..the same as I don’t give Zimmerman’s/Martin’s parents much credibility either, because you can’t assume non-bias opinions out of loved ones in a case like this.

This case is not completely clean cut, as if you listen to the Zimmerman tapes during the interrogation he gives some statements that could be questioned.  He said that T. Martin had his hand over Zim’s mouth, if that were the case how did Zim scream?  It was a long confrontation, and obviously Martin’s arms were free to give Zim’s face a battering too.   I’m assuming the prosecution flushed this out along with any other areas of question and it just did not add up to blaming Zimmerman for defending himself in the heat of that violent confrontation that he likely did not start. 

I'm wondering what exactly does it take to get the rest of America up in arms?   T. Martin supporters are in the streets closing down freeways and that counts for something.  The rest of America is not.  Tomorrow is Saturday and I would expect to see a crescendo of anger and people protesting.  I work in LA proper tomorrow so I might be at a close vantage point.   

Fathertime!
 

[fathertime]

Look at the picture our fukked up media ran with for months. A fat faced  gangsta looking Zimmerman in his orange prison outfit 7 years earlier, and T. Martin as a handsome little kid looking like the all-american boy. 
How about NBC editing out conversation and making it look like Zimmerman was a racist.  T.  Martin’s parents got a million bucks from the homeowner association, I hope Zimmerman and his wife get millions off of NBC for their intentional and negligent mischaracterization of him.  NBC needs to pay for their part in fomenting the public hysteria and lynch mob mentality around Zimmerman now. 

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Fathertime! 

[bcc_1_2]

Look at the picture our fukked up media ran with for months. A fat faced  gangsta looking Zimmerman in his orange prison outfit 7 years earlier, and T. Martin as a handsome little kid looking like the all-american boy. 
How about NBC editing out conversation and making it look like Zimmerman was a racist.  T.  Martin’s parents got a million bucks from the homeowner association, I hope Zimmerman and his wife get millions off of NBC for their intentional and negligent mischaracterization of him.  NBC needs to pay for their part in fomenting the public hysteria and lynch mob mentality around Zimmerman now. 

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Fathertime!

All I see there is Hispanic on black crime. Zimmerman's mom is from Peru. To me this isn't a white/black thing at all. My main issue is always about getting the facts right as best we can. Had the media reported that Martin was black and Zimmerman was latino... then there is no white/black race issue here at all. It would have been obvious if his name was Jorge Hernandez... but it wasn't... and the media didn't do there job. So any violence and crime that happens due to this verdict... the media helped cause by not doing their job.

[mambocowboy]

news flash. AND NOW THIS GREAT WISDOM FROM OUR PRESIDENT
http://news.yahoo.com/-obama--trayvon-martin-%E2%80%98could-have-been-me-35-years-ago%E2%80%99--180734663.html
THANKS MR. PRESIDENT

[bcc_1_2]

kudos to Charles Barkley for getting it as right as you can get it without being there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfReCoRRIow

[fathertime]

news flash. AND NOW THIS GREAT WISDOM FROM OUR PRESIDENT
http://news.yahoo.com/-obama--trayvon-martin-%E2%80%98could-have-been-me-35-years-ago%E2%80%99--180734663.html
THANKS MR. PRESIDENT

I just caught most of the speech Obozo gave, and I kinda liked it overall.  I don't think he questioned the verdict in Florida.  He seemed to be making generally valid points, but I don't want to hear excuses if these protests get nasty this weekend!


Fathertime! 

[Ray]

 
What Obama is doing is once again attempting to divide us by race (Black vs White) by attempting to make this whole thing a racial issue.
 
That's What Obama and his leftist buddies do...they attempt to divide us. If it isn't race, it's rich vs poor, have vs have not, whatever he can do to stir up trouble. He is the most divisive president this country has seen in a long time.
 
I think he should just shut up on this topic because he is only fanning the flames of racial unrest for his own sinister motives.
 
I think it should be clear to reasonable, free-thinking people that this was not about racial bias, racial prejudice, racial profiling, or racism. The mobs of ignorant loud mouths in the street will only be emboldened by his race comments.
 
 
Ray
 

[bcc_1_2]

I just caught most of the speech Obozo gave, and I kinda liked it overall.  I don't think he questioned the verdict in Florida.  He seemed to be making generally valid points, but I don't want to hear excuses if these protests get nasty this weekend!


Fathertime!

He was a law professor, so there was no way he was going to question the verdict. He mentioned both that he didn't plan any new federal laws and he thought people should respect the verdict. He came out against the stand your ground laws and also mentioned that he was profiled in shopping malls and thought people locked car doors when he walked by. What that has to do with a Hispanic guy shooting a black teen... I have no idea.
The round mound of rebound explained the situation best... Obama gave a reasonable speech.. the best way to help things mello out would have been to identify the shooter as latino because many are making this a black/white racial issue.

[mambocowboy]

He was a law professor, so there was no way he was going to question the verdict. He mentioned both that he didn't plan any new federal laws and he thought people should respect the verdict. He came out against the stand your ground laws and also mentioned that he was profiled in shopping malls and thought people locked car doors when he walked by. What that has to do with a Hispanic guy shooting a black teen... I have no idea.
The round mound of rebound explained the situation best... Obama gave a reasonable speech.. the best way to help things mello out would have been to identify the shooter as latino because many are making this a black/white racial issue.

the problem with Obama's comments was he clearly made it a racial issue by talking about his experiences being singled out as a black man, thereby implying Zimmerman was singling out Saint Trayvon because he was black. Quite frankly, there's nothing against the law about a security guard following somebody in a department store or a lady clutching her handbag in fear. When I see a kid of any color with his jeans hanging down by his knees and gold teeth I immediately have a negative reaction. If the kid happens to be black, that doesn't make me a racist...And if it does, I don't care....

[Calipro]

He was a law professor, so there was no way he was going to question the verdict. He mentioned both that he didn't plan any new federal laws and he thought people should respect the verdict. He came out against the stand your ground laws and also mentioned that he was profiled in shopping malls and thought people locked car doors when he walked by. What that has to do with a Hispanic guy shooting a black teen... I have no idea.
The round mound of rebound explained the situation best... Obama gave a reasonable speech.. the best way to help things mello out would have been to identify the shooter as latino because many are making this a black/white racial issue.

His comments  had nothing to do with a Hispanic guy shooting a black teen but rather an attempt to put the black community's reaction to the verdict in perspective.


He wants you to try and understand why they feel that if the kid had been white it probably wouldn't have ended in such a tragedy.

[Ray]

He wants you to try and understand why they feel that if the kid had been white it probably wouldn't have ended in such a tragedy.

Wrong!
 
He wants so hard to make this a White on Black racial crime. I'm betting that IF the kid had been White and was shot to death, Obama would never have commented on the case, the race hustlers wouldn't be in the streets, and there would be nothing about the incident in the news now.
 
Ray
 

[Ray]

...the best way to help things mello out would have been to identify the shooter as latino because many are making this a black/white racial issue.

And that is EXACTLY what the media has been trying to do, especially, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN.
 
In a stupid attempt to keep the White-Black racial issue alive, CNN even made the repeated claim that Zimmerman was a "White Hispanic", because one of his parents was White.
 
Does that mean that CNN should also refer to Obama as White because one of his parents was White. Do they also refer to Tiger Woods as a Thai?
 
All of this obvious attempt to stir up racial animosity in this case is just so much CRAP.
 
 
Ray
 
 

[Calipro]

http://www.amazon.com/Blink-Power-Thinking-Without-ebook/dp/B000PAAH3K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374359007&sr=8-1&keywords=blink


Insightful book on how the human mind works and how snap decisions can go right or terribly wrong and what you can do about it.

[bcc_1_2]

His comments  had nothing to do with a Hispanic guy shooting a black teen but rather an attempt to put the black community's reaction to the verdict in perspective.


He wants you to try and understand why they feel that if the kid had been white it probably wouldn't have ended in such a tragedy.

I get it. My point is a lot of the black community is reacting to this like a white guy shot a black guy. What interests me is what the reaction from the black community would be if Zimmerman's name was Jorge Hernandez. Obama's annoyance with being followed around a department store is completely valid. I just wish he would have mentioned a latino shot a black teen. Facts matter...

[bcc_1_2]

All of this obvious attempt to stir up racial animosity in this case is just so much CRAP.
 
Ray

Sorry Ray, wrong again. All CNN is worried about is ratings (which have been in the toilet). The media is in the business of selling commercials. This isn't personal to them... it is $$

[Calipro]

I get it. My point is a lot of the black community is reacting to this like a white guy shot a black guy. What interests me is what the reaction from the black community would be if Zimmerman's name was Jorge Hernandez. Obama's annoyance with being followed around a department store is completely valid. I just wish he would have mentioned a latino shot a black teen. Facts matter...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/americans-ethnic-relations_n_3611314.html


I think what adds to the misconception is that so many white people seem to identify and sympathize with Zimmerman.


Black and Hispanic relations are worst than Black and White.....the poll was done by Gallup.

[bcc_1_2]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/americans-ethnic-relations_n_3611314.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi9v0xQsYKA
Look we can each post links all day. The point is that the facts are really muddled here. MSNBC talking about white shame over a latino shooting a black teen on national television.

[Calipro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi9v0xQsYKA
Look we can each post links all day. The point is that the facts are really muddled here. MSNBC talking about white shame over a latino shooting a black teen on national television.

True..... but the videos of whites supporting the shooting is what is really pushing the misconception.

[bcc_1_2]

True..... but the videos of whites supporting the shooting is what is really pushing the misconception.

No argument. The funny thing is that a lot of those folks have no idea Zimmerman is latino. Barkley is accurate in that there are racist folks on all sides of this and of all colors pushing their agendas. There are white people from that crowd that if they knew Zimmerman was latino would have no interest in this case. I contend that if Zimmerman was indeed named Hernandez that this case would not have gotten national attention.
If the media identifies him as latino they generate less revenues through advertising. the black/white racism story is much better copy.