DOMA musings

[Ray]

Good natured jest I know but with 8 years of Obama and another 4 to 8 of Hillary coming... people just gotta let this gay issue go. Pick your priorities @ some point. Your tax bill or some gay couple down the street.
We just can't have these anti science debates anymore. No candidate can deny things like evolution and science (the gay gene) and get elected at the national level. The math doesn't work... the votes aren't there.

 
I’ll tell you what…you pick your priorities and the rest of us will pick ours. I don’t need your advice on this subject and I resent your condescending, arrogant attitude toward those who disagree with you.
 
I know this news will probably ruin your day, but you are not smarter, wiser, nor are your opinions any more correct than anyone else’s here. You are just a typical liberal who thinks only he can be right and everyone who disagrees is an idiot or a fag. Well, you can take that attitude of yours and put it someplace dark and stinky.   
 
Anti-science debate? WTF are you talking about?   
   
　
 
 
Ray
 

[Ray]

The only hispanic Democrat I know that accepts gay marriage is my ex-wife because of her brother. Even his mother is against it.
 

Proposition 8 in California was approved by a majority of Hispanic and Black voters. I believe Asians mostly voted no.
 
 
I remember some loud-mouthed gay activists calling Blacks and Hispanics "traitors" because they rejected the gay agenda and voted yes on 8.
 
 
 
Ray
 
 

[Stevieboy]

Good natured jest I know but with 8 years of Obama and another 4 to 8 of Hillary coming... people just gotta let this gay issue go. Pick your priorities @ some point. Your tax bill or some gay couple down the street.
We just can't have these anti science debates anymore. No candidate can deny things like evolution and science (the gay gene) and get elected at the national level. The math doesn't work... the votes aren't there.

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I don't need so-called science when I get the answer from the gay people I know and and have known. These people didn't have to lie. They admit they were NOT born with it. They developed it for some reason or another, OR, it's personal choice. Infact, some do it because they like sex with the opposite sex. Imagine that...people get horny for alternative sex. The so-called gay gene is regurgitated ambiguous rhetoric similar to terms like global warming that's also regurgitated by politically correct fools who follow popular trends .  Of course there's global warming, it's proven historically. But the sheeple of the world would rather someone on TV tell them it's man made, rather than simply picking up a farmer's almanac and reading for themselves. Any Rep politician that agrees with your views would have a short lived career. I'd rather us lose votes, than be a sell-out.   

[Stevieboy]

Proposition 8 in California was approved by a majority of Hispanic and Black voters. I believe Asians mostly voted no.
 
 
I remember some loud-mouthed gay activists calling Blacks and Hispanics "traitors" because they rejected the gay agenda and voted yes on 8.
 
 
 
Ray

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The LGBT agenda is politically powerful and should not be taken lightly. This is a good example of tyranny when the people's vote has less power than a judge. 

[Ray]

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I don't need so-called science when I get the answer from the gay people I know and and have known. These people didn't have to lie. They admit they were NOT born with it. They developed it for some reason or another, OR, it's personal choice. Infact, some do it because they like sex with the opposite sex. Imagine that...people get horny for alternative sex. The so-called gay gene is regurgitated ambiguous rhetoric similar to terms like global warming that's also regurgitated by politically correct fools who follow popular trends .  Of course there's global warming, it's proven historically. But the sheeple of the world would rather someone on TV tell them it's man made, rather than simply picking up a farmer's almanac and reading for themselves. Any Rep politician that agrees with your views would have a short lived career. I'd rather us lose votes, than be a sell-out.

Stevie,
 
Personally, I don't care how or why people are gay. Gay people don't bother me until they start trying to shove their lifestyle down my throat and indoctrinate our children starting at age 5 or below, which is exactly what is happening today in California.
 
I will never personally accept gay marriage as legitimate no matter what bullshyt the gays and pandering leftists are trying to push on us. Accepting or rejecting the legitimacy of gay marriage is a personal choice and has absolutely NOTHING to do with science. In California, we have no legal choice because of a handful of judges with a leftist agenda.
 
 
Ray
 

[V_Man]

The "gay gene" myth was debunked over a decade ago.
Do a quick google on the subject.

BBC - no evidence for gay gene

http://www.wnd.com/2002/08/14781/

Gay hoax studies

This sort of false brainwashing "statistics and fact" from the gay lobby piss me off.

That said, I agree with Bob that marriage has already been undermined by replacing fathers with the state for half of all children. I see gay marriage as only one more small step after all the real damage has already been done.

If people were as animated about women having children out of wedlock and/or kicking fathers out of children's lives, then I might care about gay marriage.

[bcc_1_2]

Personally, I don't care how or why people are gay. Gay people don't bother me until they start trying to shove their lifestyle down my throat and indoctrinate our children starting at age 5 or below, which is exactly what is happening today in California.
 
I will never personally accept gay marriage as legitimate no matter what bullshyt the gays and pandering leftists are trying to push on us.

The gays will always win the argument as long as you consider gay marriage... them shoving their lifestyle down their throat. I'm sure however many times you've been married is not seen as shoving your personal lifestyle down their throat... lol down their throat.
Once you decide all adult couples have the right to be miserable... any claims you make towards indoctrination could carry more weight.
What you have yet to prove is how any gay culture is going to impact my kid. I don't see how a children's book or a cartoon character is going to change my kid's biological urge to be attracted to the opposite sex.

[Ray]

What you have yet to prove is how any gay culture is going to impact my kid. I don't see how a children's book or a cartoon character is going to change my kid's biological urge to be attracted to the opposite sex.

But I don't have to prove anything to you or any other liberal in order to express my opinion or have my own personal beliefs.
 
That's just something that you and your brain-dead liberal friends will never understand 
 
 
bcc searching for his "gay gene"...
 
 

 
 
ROFL!
 
 
 
Ray
 

[bcc_1_2]

It would be interesting to do a scientific study on what a person makes and correlate it with their focus on social issues such as gay marriage. These issues seem mostly to bother white middle class people. Small business owners or execs making six figures or even low seven figures aren't talking about this stuff... I've never ever heard it come up.

[mambocowboy]

It would be interesting to do a scientific study on what a person makes and correlate it with their focus on social issues such as gay marriage. These issues seem mostly to bother white middle class people. Small business owners or execs making six figures or even low seven figures aren't talking about this stuff... I've never ever heard it come up.

that's a pretty sweeping generalization there, my friend. I'm pretty sure many  Mexican Americans have a problem with gay marriage.

[bcc_1_2]

that's a pretty sweeping generalization there, my friend. I'm pretty sure many  Mexican Americans have a problem with gay marriage.

yea I thought good catholic Mexican chicas had a problem with premarital sex with condoms LOL... it is a different world. Maybe middle class Americanized Mexican families take issue with it. But with the amount of overall minorities Obama got I am pretty comfortable with my generalization.

[beulah]

It would be interesting to do a scientific study on what a person makes and correlate it with their focus on social issues such as gay marriage. These issues seem mostly to bother white middle class people. Small business owners or execs making six figures or even low seven figures aren't talking about this stuff... I've never ever heard it come up.

Your point here is to take a shot at people who have a differing opinion.  Secondarily you are elevating yourself by acting like you are a hotshot with a 6 or 7 digit income.

I don't care one way or another about gays getting married. The way you make your point is not intelligent.

[Ricardo1]

It's one thing to hold an unpopular opinion or belief; it's quite another to disparage those who disagree with your stance - with name calling and insults.  This thread looks like it could be headed to the 'flame room'.
 

[bcc_1_2]

The way you make your point is not intelligent.

Yes it is. First, you have to be intelligent enough to understand that the lobbyists and the big donors aren't investing in a candidate over social issues. If you think Sheldon Adelson is thinking about gays, weed, or abortion you are nuts. Newt Gingrich is one of the most horrible human beings in his personal life... yet he got Sheldon's money. So what if he was impeaching Bill Clinton while cheating on his cancer ridden wife and asking for open marriages and 3sums... reality is Sheldon doesn't care. What most small business owners bitch about is people at the bottom are on the take and those at the very top (Romney and say GE) have written the loopholes so their rates are low... or in the case of GE  nonexistent (since they didn't pay any taxes).
If the topics of debate are social issues in 2016... then Hillary has already won.

[Stevieboy]

It's one thing to hold an unpopular opinion or belief; it's quite another to disparage those who disagree with your stance - with name calling and insults.  This thread looks like it could be headed to the 'flame room'.

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There's been worse IMO.

[bcc_1_2]

Yea this isn't that bad. And to be fair both sides of the argument are popular. Just the pro gay marriage side is winning. And the polling strongly suggests that politicians get out ahead on issues such as immigration and gay marriage... that's why you see republicans "coming out" on these issues.

[Ray]

It would be interesting to do a scientific study on what a person makes and correlate it with their focus on social issues such as gay marriage. These issues seem mostly to bother white middle class people. Small business owners or execs making six figures or even low seven figures aren't talking about this stuff... I've never ever heard it come up.

 
Interesting to whom? You and your leftist buddies at MSNBC?
 
This is just more leftist swill from an ignorant, arrogant, elitist liberal.
 
 
   
 
 

[bcc_1_2]

This is just more leftist swill from an ignorant, arrogant, elitist liberal.
 

And Romney who ran on whatever social issues best worked for the race he was in at the time... because he... like all really rich dudes... don't give a crap about social issues.
You're the dude on the dance floor with only one move. whenever you don't like something you got one word for it liberal. As if your arguments  aren't big government. You'd support your opinions on social issues with big government policies and laws.

[Ray]

 
Here we go again. Now it's the uncaring really rich dudes. More leftist swill... DUH!
 
For a guy who proclaims that he has better things to be concerned with than gay marriage, and that he couldn't care less who gets married to whom, you sure do have a lot to say about the subject in this thread.
 
Instead of proposing "scientific studies" to find out who is opposed to gay marriage, why don't you simply look on line for the demographics of who voted yes on Prop 8 in California. You may be surprised to find that Blacks and Hispanics led the yes vote by significant margins, while they were voting for Obama at the same time. But you could have known that already had you swallowed your liberal pride and listened to someone opposed to your viewpoint in this thread.
 
 
 
Ray