DOMA musings

[Ray]

Don't believe the LGBT activists want to indoctrinate your the little kiddies, starting in kindergarten??
 
 LGBT-themed books included in California public schools' reading list 　
 
Published March 21, 2013
FoxNews.com

 
Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender literature are included in the California Department of Education's newest reading list for students K-12[/b] that includes lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender literature, prompting complaints from critics who say a leftist agenda is being pushed on kids, the San Jose Mercury News reported.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/21/california-public-school-reading-list-reportedly-includes-lgbt-books/#ixzz2YSrRcEZv 　

[Ray]

 
And the sickos continue their push to turn California schools into LGBT indoctrination centers...
 
 
 
By Michael Martinez, CNN
updated 2:35 PM EDT, Fri July 5, 2013
　 
Los Angeles (CNN) -- Transgender students in California would be able to choose which school bathrooms and locker rooms to use and which sport teams to join[/b] based on their gender identity under a measure approved this week by the California Legislature.
　
The proposal now awaits the signature of Gov. Jerry Brown, whose office has declined to comment on whether he will sign it.
　
The proposal would be the first state law in the nation that specifically requires equal access to public school facilities and activities based on gender identity, …
　
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/04/us/california-transgender-school-law 　
　

[Stevieboy]

Don't believe the LGBT activists want to indoctrinate your the little kiddies, starting in kindergarten??
 
 LGBT-themed books included in California public schools' reading list 　
 
Published March 21, 2013
FoxNews.com

 
Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender literature are included in the California Department of Education's newest reading list for students K-12 that includes lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender literature, prompting complaints from critics who say a leftist agenda is being pushed on kids, the San Jose Mercury News reported.

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This book WAS in the school curriculum, until it was banned here....for now. I suggest also reading the reviews. They're very enlightening. 
http://www.amazon.com/The-Sissy-Duckling-Harvey-Fierstein/dp/1416903135


　

When people type or say something stupid I do like to throw it back at them... I'm guilty there. but in my defense you don't see the liberal argument here for me to trash. Guys are getting screwed in the tailpipe if they are making a decent living in this country yet they want to talk about a few queens and a cartoon as the real threat.

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You're trying too hard to change the conversation of this topic, and even downplay what's happening with a pun about working "guys getting screwed in the tailpipe if they are making a decent living".  The LGTB movement is on every TV channel changing public policy on a daily basis. We can' ignore it when it's involuntarily shoved down our throats every day. It's worse when you corrupt the innocent mind of my child when I'm not looking.
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[mambocowboy]

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This book WAS in the school curriculum, until it was banned here....for now. I suggest also reading the reviews. They're very enlightening. 
http://www.amazon.com/The-Sissy-Duckling-Harvey-Fierstein/dp/1416903135


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You're trying too hard to change the conversation of this topic, and even downplay what's happening with a pun about working "guys getting screwed in the tailpipe if they are making a decent living".  The LGTB movement is on every TV channel changing public policy on a daily basis. We can' ignore it when it's involuntarily shoved down our throats every day. It's worse when you corrupt the innocent mind of my child when I'm not looking.
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As a California resident with a daughter who will be attending public school, this is where I draw the line. Brainwashing innocent children with the notion that there's nothing abnormal about being transgendered is incredibly irresponsible. California is a beautiful state, but we have got to have the looniest bunch of politically correct fascists of any state, by far...

[Stevieboy]

As a California resident with a daughter who will be attending public school, this is where I draw the line. Brainwashing innocent children with the notion that there's nothing abnormal about being transgendered is incredibly irresponsible. California is a beautiful state, but we have got to have the looniest bunch of politically correct fascists of any state, by far...

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I was born in Cali, grew up in Texas. Those "loony fascists" you speak of are moving here in droves. Lately, 3 out of 5 of my clients are Californians who are buying properties and moving their businesses here weekly. And that still doesn't include the working class. You can't go to a bar or restaurant here without running into several Californians. It's only a matter of time before this state falls too. If this big red state does fall, it's over for the rest.
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PS. I miss California, the way it was. It has the best weather and natural beauty in the country IMO. I'm taking my daughter to Disneyland in July. I'm not sure if she will enjoy it like I did when I was a kid. Things were different then.   

[Jhengsman]

As a California resident with a daughter who will be attending public school, this is where I draw the line. Brainwashing innocent children with the notion that there's nothing abnormal about being transgendered is incredibly irresponsible. California is a beautiful state, but we have got to have the looniest bunch of politically correct fascists of any state, by far...

I mention Filipino TV because I believe the battle was lost before it was introduced into the public schools, those kids for the most part are not voting yet and Filipinos were one of the few groups, Catholic or not, to vote against Proposition 8. Remember California did vote for Prop 8, maybe they would not have the next time if a judge did not step and take over himself.


The battle was lost with My So-Called Life, Will and Grace, and Modern Family most recently. The battle was lost when everyone knew the President was lying about this issue and maybe others but still elected him over McCain.


However at this point there is no turning back it is only a matter of time before another federal judge or appellate panel forces those 40 states who do not have same sex marriage to accept it and issue benefits as the federal government is now doing and force the issuing of marriage  certificates.

[bcc_1_2]

You're trying too hard to change the conversation of this topic

I don't deny that. In fact I've taken it farther than that. The polite way to say it is that people like you are being dupped into focusing on this stuff.  My cousins are in public school and there are children that have same-sex parents. Clearly there is a concern that those children could have bullying issues, but unfortunately in 2013 kids get bullied for all kinds of reasons. What worked for me as a kid was to beat the living crap out of the bully... then everybody leaves you alone... but not everyone is capable of that.
A kid reading that some kids have same-sex parents... or a gay cartoon character... or a gay TV show character really doesn't matter. My 3rd grade teacher was gayer than little Richard's underpants and I never had a clue. I met him at a restaurant when I was 16 randomly and I got a chuckle out of that. I've mentioned it to other classmates and none of them had any idea he was gay... and this guy was a flamer. Little kids don't see sexuality. But they do grow up. And when you are in 6th or 7th grade... a light switch clicks and you know exactly what you'd like to do to the cheerleader on the sideline of your basketball or football game.
This is nothing more than a distraction. I'd send my kid to school or turn on the TV and I'm not worried about gay culture at all. Our number one problem in the country (and it is a huge problem) is related to the economy, jobs, taxes, and spending. The MFers in congress are both in the bag for their special interests and they all love it when crap like this comes up so people like you are distracted while they gay rape your wallet.

[Bob_S]

Those "loony fascists" you speak of are moving here in droves. Lately, 3 out of 5 of my clients are Californians who are buying properties and moving their businesses here weekly. And that still doesn't include the working class. You can't go to a bar or restaurant here without running into several Californians. It's only a matter of time before this state falls too. If this big red state does fall, it's over for the rest.

Not necessarily.  As it turns out, it's the conservatives in California that are fleeing the state for greener pastures.  According to the Texas Tribune, conservative Repubs (or at least Republitarians {libertarian Republicans}) moving to TX outnumber Dems by 2-to-1.  If anything, the immigrants fleeing socialist tyranny in CA will turn TX MORE red, like the Cuban émigrés did to south Florida.

[Stevieboy]

Not necessarily.  As it turns out, it's the conservatives in California that are fleeing the state for greener pastures.  According to the Texas Tribune, conservative Repubs (or at least Republitarians {libertarian Republicans}) moving to TX outnumber Dems by 2-to-1.  If anything, the immigrants fleeing socialist tyranny in CA will turn TX MORE red, like the Cuban émigrés did to south Florida.

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I live here. I do business here. I socialize and party here. I'm politically active here. The Capital is 3 miles from my house. Yeah, what do I know.    It's not like Californians who move here would affect our politics or social welfares, even though Austin never had an official Gay Pride parade in the past. We also never had a Gay Chamber of Commerce before, or our Mayor announce an official holiday commemorating a gay homeless guy who used to wear ladies clothes and lift his dress so people could see his hairy ass and thong in public, and even that has a parade. The City also adopted California's green energy program and hired a Californian to be general manager of Austin Energy. This kind of crap wasn't around 10 years ago. Sure, some conservatives are moving here. But their numbers are small  compared to the progressives who work the supply side of economics. You probably just googled some info and pasted it to make debate, but you're not here, and everyone in this town , (red or blue) would agree, the capital of Texas is changing fast. I invite you to come to the capital with me during elections, or even this past week when the state was passing the abortion bill and senator Wendy Davis had her huge horde of leftists and recruited Californians filling the square and blocking traffic. California was a RED state in the 60s. Look at it now.       
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I don't deny that. In fact I've taken it farther than that. The polite way to say it is that people like you are being dupped into focusing on this stuff.  My cousins are in public school and there are children that have same-sex parents.

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I actually empathize with you (partially), and have been there done that. I'm a gen Xer from the newave and punk music scene; Lolapalooza, The Smiths etc etc. It was cool to hang out with gays and lesbians back then. They always had the best coke too, and it was a sure fire way to meet single chicks. Women loved hanging out with homos, and they still do. Three gay guys I knew from high school died young; one from suicide, and the other two from AIDS. As I grew older and wiser, that loud, obnoxious, and psychological drama scene got old. I also have a gay ex-brother in law. One of the biggest reasons my ex-wife an I separated was because of him and his need to act like a flaming ass at our house. My buddies even quit coming over because of him. My wife always defended his behavior because she felt sorry for him. I have seen nothing but misery and destruction come from the LGBT community since I was young, and their numbers and political power is growing faster than before. With all due respect to you, the difference between you and I is, you're still drinking the Kool-Aid.  And you're purposefully changing the subject to divert attention from it because you might find it offensive to read. Everyone knows taxes are too high. If that's what you wanna talk about, start a new thread.
 
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[bcc_1_2]

I know a gay doctor that saves lives... what's the point? I'd rather have a gay son than a son hooked on drugs... that much I know. Guess I'm just drinking that grape kool aid... when I'm taking a break from throwing my wife around the bedroom not giving a crap what other people do in theirs.
not calling you a drug addict... i'm sure you are clean these days... youthful indiscretion surely.

[Stevieboy]

I know a gay doctor that saves lives... what's the point? I'd rather have a gay son than a son hooked on drugs... that much I know. Guess I'm just drinking that grape kool aid... when I'm taking a break from throwing my wife around the bedroom not giving a crap what other people do in theirs.
not calling you a drug addict... i'm sure you are clean these days... youthful indiscretion surely.

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So, you'd rather have a gay son than one hooked on drugs...I guess as a parent myself , my standards don't have limits.  Not to say, I would abandon my son if he was. But then again, I don't believe the'yre born with it either. I assumed you had been around the block a time or two, but changed my mind after reading your statements. Ok, done here...love, peace and hair grease yada yada...

[Bob_S]

and everyone in this town , (red or blue) would agree, the capital of Texas is changing fast.

Oh, puleeze.   I was linking a TEXAS newspaper, quoting a study.  Austin has always been a bit more light in the loafers as long as I can remember. The flaky libs know where they are welcome and where they are not.  They are headed to the city centers and few lefty-friendly cities, while the overwhelming number of conservatives are headed to the suburbs of Plano, Weatherford, or League City where you can get a house with a backyard and a driveway long enough to park a boat or RV.  At least all your lefties are mostly contained.  When Abilene starts having Folsom Street S&M Rainbow parades, then you have real cause to worry.

[Stevieboy]

  At least all your lefties are mostly contained.  When Abilene starts having Folsom Street S&M Rainbow parades, then you have real cause to worry.

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Yeah, contained here at the Capital where laws and policy is made. They vote, they protest, they lobby. So, by your logic, don't worry until it's too late.You say you remember Austin, when? Did you live here, or visit as a tourist?

[Bob_S]

You say you remember Austin, when? Did you live here, or visit as a tourist?

Not Austin specifically yet.  But I have family in TX and have spent summers and/or Christmas around TX (usually suburbs of Dallas) every year since I was born.  I've driven through most of it, from McAllen to Amarillo, El Paso to Texarkana.  Whenever the subject of local politics came up, aunts, uncles, and cousins would remark how leftist hippy Austin was.  Your description of it falls right in line with what I've come to expect given their comments over the past 4 decades.  Though it does sound like it's getting worse.

BTW, still on my TX to-do list:  Dinner at Reunion tower; see the Alamo; the bats of Austin at dusk; see a rodeo at the Ft Worth stockyards; and a pilgrimage to Cross Plains, former home of Robert E. Howard.

[Stevieboy]

I don't know where you live, but Texas summers here are terribly hot to spend time. Yes, the scene here has drastically changed. Willie Nelson and rock and roll was the conversation in the eighties and nineties, then after 2000' a homeless guy that dressed in womens clothes was popular, Leslie Cochran. Ever since one person passed out free bumper stickers that said "keep austin weird" about ten years ago, its gone downhill, and the locals are tired of it.
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I would add a show at Austin City Limits on your list. Hard to get into, but worth the effort.

[bcc_1_2]

So, you'd rather have a gay son than one hooked on drugs...I guess as a parent myself , my standards don't have limits.  Not to say, I would abandon my son if he was. But then again, I don't believe the'yre born with it either.

Your focus on gay culture ruining America is just so low on my list. Your illicit drug use combined with everyone else in the States, Western Europe, and Australia has funded/caused so many problems in Latin America... that grinds my gears way more than the "gay scare". Maybe spend your time focusing on how we can make the lives of my relatives in Honduras safer.
Dr. Dean Hamer a geneticist at the US National Cancer Institute in Washington DC discovered the gay gene in the mid 1990s. The scientific community accepts this in the same regard as the earth being around 4.3 billion years old and that it revolves around the sun. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxV9Z1gNyQA meet Dr. Hamer
 

[Stevieboy]

Your focus on gay culture ruining America is just so low on my list. Your illicit drug use combined with everyone else in the States, Western Europe, and Australia has funded/caused so many problems in Latin America... that grinds my gears way more than the "gay scare". Maybe spend your time focusing on how we can make the lives of my relatives in Honduras safer.
Dr. Dean Hamer a geneticist at the US National Cancer Institute in Washington DC discovered the gay gene in the mid 1990s. The scientific community accepts this in the same regard as the earth being around 4.3 billion years old and that it revolves around the sun. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxV9Z1gNyQA meet Dr. Hamer
 

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Yawn...This is about your 4th, attempt to change the subject of the thread. So, you blame the woes in Latin America on the rest of the world including my, as you put it, "illicit drug use". What drug are you talking about specifically? Cocaine? Did I say I'm a cocaine user? I should focus on how to make the lives of your relatives in Honduras safer??? Zzzzzzz

[bcc_1_2]

What drug are you talking about specifically?

You knew that networking with gays was a great way to score good product... so yea that. Guys like you contributed to the biggest problem there is in Latin America.
As for the zzz... clearly you slept through school or life when they discovered the gay gene. That's why republicans struggle to win national elections. candidates that think the earth is 5000 years old... that being gay for all people is a choice... being against the immigration bill passed in congress... goodbye latino vote... and to be fair to the republicans they have a hard choice.  They struggle to appeal to intelligent people... and still have to appeal to the anti science... anti common sense people.

[Stevieboy]

You knew that networking with gays was a great way to score good product... so yea that. Guys like you contributed to the biggest problem there is in Latin America.
As for the zzz... clearly you slept through school or life when they discovered the gay gene. That's why republicans struggle to win national elections. candidates that think the earth is 5000 years old... that being gay for all people is a choice... being against the immigration bill passed in congress... goodbye latino vote... and to be fair to the republicans they have a hard choice.  They struggle to appeal to intelligent people... and still have to appeal to the anti science... anti common sense people.

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The history I spoke about was 20 or more years ago when I was young. The gay gene is BS that you regurgitate. What do you mean goodbye to the Latino vote? You mean the illegal alien vote don't you? I'm Hispanic and so are my parents. The republicans have our vote, and they didn't have to buy it with welfare and free cell phones. I don't wanna hijack space on this thread pulling your card anymore. I've said my 2 cents worth about the original topic. I'll let you have the last word and won't retort. I doubt you can resist.

[bcc_1_2]

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The history I spoke about was almost 30 years ago.

You clearly need a history lessen then. Trouble in Latin America didn't wait to start until after you were done using drugs.
 

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What do you mean goodbye to the Latino vote? You mean the illegal alien vote don't you? I'm Hispanic and so are my parents. The republicans have our vote

Facts, numbers, statistics, and reality clearly don't matter to you. You focus so much on your beliefs with so little focus on facts. A belief is simply a lack of critical thought. It means you don't know the answer. The numbers tell a different story. The latino vote has flocked away from the republicans. Even the republicans agree.

[Ray]

This is about your 4th, attempt to change the subject of the thread.

Stevie, it's what leftists do.
 
They can spout their views all day long but when someone tries to present an opposing viewpoint, they shout you down, insult your intelligence, call you closet homos, try to change the subject, etc., etc., etc. This is EXACTLY what he has been doing throughout this thread and his tired leftist game is getting old.
 
You can't have an intelligent discussion with today's liberals because they don't have the common courtesy to listen to anything opposed to their narrow set of beliefs.
 
I can spot the koolaid drinkers who swallow all that leftist swill on MSNBC, CNN, NBC, and the rest of the liberal "news" outlets, in an instant. Same tired talking points, same liberal propaganda, same lies, etc...
 
My advice is to go right ahead and state your views and ignore the nay-sayers who try to silence you with their BS.
 
And if someone tries to tell you that Republicans are the main force behind the opposition to gay marriage, don't belive it. Gay marriage has always been a non-partisan issue. California is a deep blue state where Democrats outnumber Republicans by a WIDE margin. Yet Californians voted no on gay marriage twice by a large majority. And like Hengsman noted, Obama strongly supported DOMA until he found he could buy more votes for his party by changing his mind and pandering to the gay lobby.
 
Ray
 
 
 

[Stevieboy]

Stevie, it's what leftists do.
 
 
And if someone tries to tell you that Republicans are the main force behind the opposition to gay marriage, don't belive it. Gay marriage has always been a non-partisan issue. California is a deep blue state where Democrats outnumber Republicans by a WIDE margin. Yet Californians voted no on gay marriage twice by a large majority. And like Hengsman noted, Obama strongly supported DOMA until he found he could buy more votes for his party by changing his mind and pandering to the gay lobby.
 
Ray

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The only hispanic Democrat I know that accepts gay marriage is my ex-wife because of her brother. Even his mother is against it. My best friend is Hispanic and Democrat, but gets most, to all his info from the John Stewart or Steve Colbert comedy shows. He's about as ignorant as the rest of them, but we've known each other since high school, so I tolerate his stupid anti conservative remarks. He literally thinks being conservative is being white. He'll ask me sometimes about something "shocking " he heard in the news when accidentally not watching MSNBC that's been going on since last year, and I just nod my head and don't waste my time explaining to him. He also hates the fact that gays can marry, yet too proud to change sides. I frankly think if gay people want to be together, it's none of my business. My beef, is that their agenda is much deeper than that, in that they're main goal is to change the definition of the term "marriage". Everyone knew that the LGBT agenda wouldn't stop when they gained  Civil Union rights. No, it's not good enough. They want to salt the land permanently, to erase the memory of what a traditional family was. Now that "marriage" is a joke, other alternative lifestyle groups will follow suit for their right to "marriage".  Fact is about Hispanics, or Latinos is that the majority are CONSERVATIVE. They're not leaving the Rep party, we're joining.
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[bcc_1_2]

Stevie, it's what leftists do.
 

Leftist don't change the topic to taxes. There really are no vocal leftists on this board. I can point you to some message boards though so you can actually hear that argument.

[Ray]

Leftist don't change the topic to taxes. There really are no vocal leftists on this board. I can point you to some message boards though so you can actually hear that argument.

 
No thank you.
 
I get enough leftist swill from you right here... 
 
 
Ray
 

[bcc_1_2]

I get enough leftist swill from you right here...   
 

Good natured jest I know but with 8 years of Obama and another 4 to 8 of Hillary coming... people just gotta let this gay issue go. Pick your priorities @ some point. Your tax bill or some gay couple down the street.
We just can't have these anti science debates anymore. No candidate can deny things like evolution and science (the gay gene) and get elected at the national level. The math doesn't work... the votes aren't there.