Why not just get married in their country?

[Stevieboy]

My girlfriend is here illegally from mexico.  She crossed at el paso.  She told me she got caught her first time.  The border patrol took her back across the border and she came right back the very next day, at the same exact place she got caught.  She said she gave them a fake name and they didn't take her finger prints.  That was when she was 18 years old.


A couple years later she went back to mexico to hang out for the summer and when she came back her family paid good money to have her brought in vip style.  She was given somebody else's documents and she rode with a car full of girls her age in a nice late model car.  She was waved through without even getting checked.


I've asked her why the hell she doesn't just get a visa so she doesn't have to worry about being illegal.  She says she doesn't want to wait for the visa process, that it takes too long.  But truthfully, other than not being to travel to mexico, her not having papers doesn't affect her life in any way.  She still gets any job she applies for.  She's still going to school and about to get her state cosmetology license.  Plus obama's amnesty is coming right around the corner.




Of course stevieboy, I wouldn't recommend you go the illegal route with your fiance.  I just threw that out there as an option since you seem to be stressing about the wait time for the visa.

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No stressing here, just putting out questions about topics the forum was meant for. At this point, If I was to marry, I'd do it in her country. Now, at least if she's a real catch, she's off the market, the couple just waits for the visa.   

[htown]

Htown is correct on several points of the business of transportation of illegals from Mexico, but, that is for persons that are more desperate, of which you are, nor should be. The most important factor other than possible death that Ray hit on correctly, is; the punishment for getting caught. It's true she may not be able to come back for 10 years and even ever qualify for a green card again. I mentioned this before, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. I grew up on the border and know family that are illegal, been caught, banned, came back again because they had children here, and are poor because they can't work anywhere they might get discovered by ICE, so they can only find work in sweat shops or orchards picking peaches or cotton. I wouldn't risk that on a woman I truly cared for. Not to mention my family would practically disown me for doing that to a naïve woman who trusted and loved me. There's another factor to consider; respect. There's classes in every clan of family; the higher class and the lower class. The higher class came here legally, doesn't collect welfare, and pays property taxes, the lower class came illegally and 9 out 10 times collects welfare and won't learn to speak english. People generally don't appreciate illegal aliens for all the factors they impose to the socio economy. And it's not just white people, I, nor my mexican/american grandparents that waited and went thru the process legally don't appreciate it either. I for one won't be a hypocrite.   
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That's nice that you have such high respect for your country.  I'm pretty much the complete opposite in the way I feel.  The usa was founded and built on murder and thievery.  Some people from england came over here and killed the indians, stole their land, made the african slaves do all the work, then they have the nerve to draw lines and tell people to stay out.  How the hell am I supposed to respect a thief and a murderer?  My grandfather was from del rio , tx.  He told me growing up there was a sign on a restaurant by where he lived.  The sign read "no dogs or mexicans allowed".  Google the name Marcario Garcia.  Me vale verga esa pinche frontera cagada.

[mambocowboy]

That's nice that you have such high respect for your country.  I'm pretty much the complete opposite in the way I feel.  The usa was founded and built on murder and thievery.  Some people from england came over here and killed the indians, stole their land, made the african slaves do all the work, then they have the nerve to draw lines and tell people to stay out.  How the hell am I supposed to respect a thief and a murderer?  My grandfather was from del rio , tx.  He told me growing up there was a sign on a restaurant by where he lived.  The sign read "no dogs or mexicans allowed".  Google the name Marcario Garcia.  Me vale verga esa pinche frontera cagada.
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If you don't hold this country in high regard feel free to go back to Mexico.

[beulah]

Of course stevieboy, I wouldn't recommend you go the illegal route with your fiance.  I just threw that out there as an option since you seem to be stressing about the wait time for the visa.

Congratulations Stevie.  I didn't know you had already made your trip and found a special woman.  How did you meet her?

[htown]

@mambocowboy  Thanks for your input but I already live in mexico.

[Stevieboy]

That's nice that you have such high respect for your country.  I'm pretty much the complete opposite in the way I feel.  The usa was founded and built on murder and thievery.  Some people from england came over here and killed the indians, stole their land, made the african slaves do all the work, then they have the nerve to draw lines and tell people to stay out.  How the hell am I supposed to respect a thief and a murderer?  My grandfather was from del rio , tx.  He told me growing up there was a sign on a restaurant by where he lived.  The sign read "no dogs or mexicans allowed".  Google the name Marcario Garcia.  Me vale verga esa pinche frontera cagada.

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So, is Marcario Garcia a relative? Yes, I googled him and Wiki describes him as a proud Mexican who fought proudly in World War II and later became a legal citizen because of his valiant service.  How is that relative to your diatribe of the USA? 
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Yeah, I'm proud of the USA, It's where I was born. I'm proud of my Mexican culture too, it's where my forefathers were born.   

[htown]

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So, is Marcario Garcia a relative? Yes, I googled him and Wiki describes him as a proud Mexican who fought proudly in World War II and later became a legal citizen because of his valiant service.  How is that relative to your diatribe of the USA?   

Maybe you missed this part.


"A month after he was awarded the Medal of Honor, Garcia was denied service at a restaurant located in a town just a few miles south of Houston because he was Hispanic. Garcia was beaten with a bat by the owner. No one was arrested and no charges were initially filed it was only after Walter Winchell cover the incident and labeled Sugarland the most racist city in America that charges were filled. Then the incident was covered by the news media and caused an uproar amongst the Hispanic community who rallied to his aid. The nation was made aware as to the discriminatory policies that Hispanics were subject to as an indirect result of the trial of which Garcia was eventually acquitted."

[Stevieboy]

Maybe you missed this part.


"A month after he was awarded the Medal of Honor, Garcia was denied service at a restaurant located in a town just a few miles south of Houston because he was Hispanic. Garcia was beaten with a bat by the owner. No one was arrested and no charges were initially filed it was only after Walter Winchell cover the incident and labeled Sugarland the most racist city in America that charges were filled. Then the incident was covered by the news media and caused an uproar amongst the Hispanic community who rallied to his aid. The nation was made aware as to the discriminatory policies that Hispanics were subject to as an indirect result of the trial of which Garcia was eventually acquitted."

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Damn, htown, you've got too much angst for things that happened so long ago. It's time to put the Che Guevara flag down and join the civilized masses. Don't you find it ironic that you have the right to protest on a white man's website?

[htown]

There's classes in every clan of family; the higher class and the lower class. The higher class came here legally, doesn't collect welfare, and pays property taxes, the lower class came illegally and 9 out 10 times collects welfare and won't learn to speak english. People generally don't appreciate illegal aliens for all the factors they impose to the socio economy. And it's not just white people, I, nor my mexican/american grandparents that waited and went thru the process legally don't appreciate it either. I for one won't be a hypocrite.   
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This is my point.  You think just because you were born here that you're "high class"?  I guarantee that if you go back far enough in any mexican-american family there's an illegal alien that first came here.  Any mexican who thinks they're better than an illegal immigrant is the lowest of the low in my eyes.  You're going to take the usa's side against your own race?  Against your own people?  Guess what, THE USA DOESN'T LIKE YOU!!  When they have those minuteman rallies and they say they want mexicans to go back to mexico, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU TOO!!

[Stevieboy]

Congratulations Stevie.  I didn't know you had already made your trip and found a special woman.  How did you meet her?

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No, I haven't. beware of who's post you read. Much misinformation and assumptions are made here.   

[htown]

Congratulations Stevie.  I didn't know you had already made your trip and found a special woman.  How did you meet her?

Sorry, I should've used the term "future fiance".  We're trying to get stevieboy sorted out so he doesn't waste any time.

[Stevieboy]

This is my point.  You think just because you were born here that you're "high class"?  I guarantee that if you go back far enough in any mexican-american family there's an illegal alien that first came here.  Any mexican who thinks they're better than an illegal immigrant is the lowest of the low in my eyes.  You're going to take the usa's side against your own race?  Against your own people?  Guess what, THE USA DOESN'T LIKE YOU!!  When they have those minuteman rallies and they say they want mexicans to go back to mexico, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU TOO!!

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Sigh...you wear me out with you're spin and twist on what one says. I won't retort, and then maybe this way we can go back to the thread's subject.       

[htown]

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Sigh...you wear me out with you're spin and twist on what one says. I won't retort, and then maybe this way we can go back to the thread's subject.     

What the hell was the thread topic again?  Oh yea, marry her there so you can take her off the market sooner.  Good plan.  I might be in colombia at that time, I'll be expecting a wedding invitation.

[mambocowboy]

This is my point.  You think just because you were born here that you're "high class"?  I guarantee that if you go back far enough in any mexican-american family there's an illegal alien that first came here.  Any mexican who thinks they're better than an illegal immigrant is the lowest of the low in my eyes.  You're going to take the usa's side against your own race?  Against your own people?  Guess what, THE USA DOESN'T LIKE YOU!!  When they have those minuteman rallies and they say they want mexicans to go back to mexico, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU TOO!!

Mexican is a race? Really?

[fathertime]

A couple years later she went back to mexico to hang out for the summer and when she came back her family paid good money to have her brought in vip style.  She was given somebody else's documents and she rode with a car full of girls her age in a nice late model car.  She was waved through without even getting checked.
 

I've wondered about this exact thing because it seems so easy to just cross the border right under the border guards noses.   Even if  the car had been stopped and ID's checked, they may not have noticed that she was somebody different than the ID she presented.  Did the ID have her picture on it, or somebody she closely resembled?  It is not very often they pull cars over simply because the manpower isn't there. 


There is no real intent on enforcing our borders.  There are so many additional things that could be done as illegals enter and after they are here, if our govt was serious about it. 


Fathertime! 

[V_Man]

Well it depends on how bad the couple want to see each other.  Is it V_man who is still waiting for his wife's visa?  Ask him if he'd like to be able to drive 4 hours to spend the weekend with his fiance.  To some it would be worth the sacrifice of being away from family.  One's budget would also be a factor.

There is a way that my fiance could be a 3 hour plane trip away from me. However she would be away from her family in a non-spanish speaking country so she doesn't want to do that, which is entirely understandable. I think the reality is that this sort of situation is that she really needs her family and stabliity during the long wait until we can start our new life together. I think almost any woman is going to feel the same. One must remember that she is moving to be with her man. She is not interested in moving if she can't be with her man. I like your lateral thinking but I think in practice it would rarely work out.

[Ray]

Let me let you in on a little secret ray.  Riding in the trailer of an 18 wheeler isn't the only way coyotes operate.  Money talks.  If all you can afford is a ride hidden in the back of a truck than that's how you ride.  If you have money to cross the border vip style than you cross vip style.  It all depends on your budget.

No need to attempt to educate me on how illegals cross the border. I live on the border and have been dealing with this crap for many years.
 
You misunderstood what I said. I never mentioned anything about riding in the trailer of an 18-wheeler. I was talking about family sized vans that incidentally were stolen from one of my neighbors or some other poor sucker. Pickup trucks with low-profile camper shells are another vehicle of choice for the scumbag coyotes.
 
If you've never seen a family sized van stuffed full with 28-30 illegals, then you haven't experienced the reality of what is going on here. And when some dumbass coyote tries to outrun the border patrol because his only concern is saving his own sorry ass, then those 28-30 bodies often end up strewn across the highway while coyote-boy makes a run for it (if he's still alive after the crash).
 
The coyotes don't use their own vehicles because they will be impounded and auctioned off if they are caught, and they are too easily traced back to the owner. So they steal someone else's van or pickup from their driveway or a mall parking lot. The vehicles are dumped on the street after they deliver their load up the road in LA. That's why so many stolen vehicles from San Diego and other border towns are recovered in LA with the windows painted over.
 
In the past the stolen van would be driven across the border and loaded up in Mexico. Now that there is actually a fence that you can't drive through, the illegals are smuggled over on foot and taken to an area where the stolen van/car is loaded up and driven usually to East LA.
 
The smugglers also like to use drivers under 18 because if they are caught, they are often released at the border because juvenile detention here is already full and they aren't always prosecuted if they are underage anyway.
 
And $2,000-3,000 isn’t exactly chump change for these illegals to pay for the trip.
 
Smuggling illegals over the border IS NOT the victimless crime that you attempt to portray it as. And the label "reputable" IS NOT appropriate for these scumbag smugglers.
　
Ray

[htown]

I've wondered about this exact thing because it seems so easy to just cross the border right under the border guards noses.   Even if  the car had been stopped and ID's checked, they may not have noticed that she was somebody different than the ID she presented.  Did the ID have her picture on it, or somebody she closely resembled?  It is not very often they pull cars over simply because the manpower isn't there. 


There is no real intent on enforcing our borders.  There are so many additional things that could be done as illegals enter and after they are here, if our govt was serious about it. 


Fathertime!

I don't think the id had her picture on it.  The most important thing to do is import criminals who are here illegally, which I think they are doing a good job of.  Deportations have increased since obabma has taken office.  One thing that should be done is greatly increase the border patrol budget so they can hire more agents to cover the remote areas where most of the smuggling is occurring.  Overall, illegal immigration is on the decline due in part to the growing economy in mexico.

[Alabamaboy!]

 
Oh yeah, those coyotes really take good care of their people... ROFLMAO!
 
I've seen first hand how those caring coyotes take care of the people being smuggled.
 
I've seen their dead bodies splattered all over the roads here in San Diego when the coyotes bailed out of a load vehicle or tried to outrun the Border Patrol. Just a few blocks from my house a few years back, I saw 14 dead bodies strewn across the freeway exit ramp where some dumbass smuggler rolled a van overloaded with illegals during a high speed chase. There were probably another dozen in bad shape who were medivaced.
 
A favorite trick of the dumbass coyotes to get by the check point on Highway 8 was to go the wrong way on the freeway late at night with their lights out. A bunch more died out there in the dark and not just illegals, but innocent drivers too.
 
I came about 3 inches from killing a guy on the freeway one morning when another dumb ass coyote cut across 4 lanes of traffic and jumped out of a stolen van full of illegals while it was still rolling, leaving the passengers to run out into traffic to try to escape.
 
Those stupid coyotes will do anything to escape capture and they don't give a flying f@#k what happens to those people who paid thousands of dollars to be smuggled. The coyotes will dump their sorry asses at the first sign of the Border Patrol, so you make me laugh when you proclaim that they take good care of them.
 
Ray

I don't live in San Diego, but here in AZ it is not as bad as that. I have clients tell me that they have had friends, family come over illegally and use the same guy over and over again. So it is like any other business, they want repeat customers, so they take care of them pretty well. Most even have a guarantee, that if they get caught, they will try again until they cross! It is usually not that hard. I had an employee who had papers to cross and everything, but he just crossed daily by hopping the fence because he did not want to wait in the 2-3 hour line every morning to cross to come to work.

The border control here are cool about things also. They know it is just a game and they will probably be seeing this person again in the future. So they just do their thing, process them, they don't stress about the whole thing. I have a lot of these clients too.

The BP guys do tell me that apprehensions are less than 1/2 of what they used to be because of little or no work here these days, and the fact that if they get processed now, it will screw up their chances to get here legally.

[buencamino]

Gosh AB now that Colombians don't need a visa for Mexico one's novia hopping the fence might be the faster way to go assuming she's somewhat athletic.

[htown]

There is a way that my fiance could be a 3 hour plane trip away from me. However she would be away from her family in a non-spanish speaking country so she doesn't want to do that, which is entirely understandable. I think the reality is that this sort of situation is that she really needs her family and stabliity during the long wait until we can start our new life together. I think almost any woman is going to feel the same. One must remember that she is moving to be with her man. She is not interested in moving if she can't be with her man. I like your lateral thinking but I think in practice it would rarely work out.

Ok but if you could have her within driving distance and in a spanish-speaking country would you consider it?  If you could spend 2 or 3 days with her every week.


She could even bring a family member to stay with her.  A sister, brother, cousin, aunt, a close friend.  She could find a school to study english.  It would be like going away to university.


Of course this scenario only works for someone who lives close to the mexican border.


If it was me I would seriously consider it.


And who is that in your avatar V_Man?

[beulah]

htown you have asked vman many times now.  Maybe he doesn't want to respond.  I understand your curiosity but maybe you should respect his privacy.  Not meaning to be offensive towards you but wanted to say that.

[htown]

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And who is that in your avatar V_Man?
 htown you have asked vman many times now.  Maybe he doesn't want to respond.  I understand your curiosity but maybe you should respect his privacy.  Not meaning to be offensive towards you but wanted to say that.

What privacy?  If he wanted it to be private why put it on the internet for the world to see?  I'm wondering if it's his wife or not.  It would give us a little bit of perspective when he posts.


But thanks for your concern beulah.

[beulah]

What privacy?  If he wanted it to be private why put it on the internet for the world to see?  I'm wondering if it's his wife or not.  It would give us a little bit of perspective when he posts.


But thanks for your concern beulah.

I understand the point you have made. We all have varying comfort levels and boundaries and it is not easy to know where they are.

[SkyNorth]

The mystery lady in VMan's avatar is my sister and she is a complete Angel.  Well, maybe her sunglasses are a bit large and top a bit small; no matter, she is an Angel.