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Anybody seen this website?
« on: March 06, 2013, 06:25:48 PM »
http://colombiahelp.com/


Some good stuff in this blog.
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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 06:49:28 PM »
Don't see anything that interesting...
Just promoting dating websites from what I can tell....

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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2013, 08:05:55 PM »
Don't see anything that interesting...
Just promoting dating websites from what I can tell....


Did you not notice the 30 or 40 articles pertaining to dating and marrying foreign women, and traveling in colombia?
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 09:10:47 PM »
Thanks htown, I read a few of the author's pieces and found them to be good reads.  He writes well and is comes across as truthful man with experience.   

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2013, 11:21:33 PM »
I have a hard time relating to this guy.


http://colombiahelp.com/common-small-scams-dates-colombia/


"Adding things to the restaurant check such as phone cards, I know allot of you might say who cares if she adds $10 or $20 to the bill. While it might not be much, she is testing reaction for bigger items later. Personally, I will send the phone card back immediately if she is just a date. She feels she can get away with this since she has her hand on your leg under the table, or she has been showering you with make out sessions, lack of language skills and 2 seconds she tells the waitress to add it."

Never in my 18 years of traveling and dating women in Colombia have I ever had a woman add a phone card to a restaurant check....but I have to admit that I'm not sure I have ever gone to a restaurant that sells them on the side. jajaja

Another common thing I have noticed that is probably not in the manipulation category but it is annoying, some girls will automatically order the most expensive thing on the menu.

Personally I don't recommend dinner dates just because  they have the lowest return on investment when it comes to your time and cash and eventually getting the chick in bed....much better to go clubbing....might be a bit more expensive if you go it alone without splitting a bottle with another couple but you will have more than doubled your chances of a happy ending. jajaja

The chicks that I do take to dinner I already know well and like a lot....can't say that I have ever noticed if one of them ever ordered the most expensive thing on the menu but most of the restaurants I go to things max. out at about 40 mill.....so if you don't like a chick enough to spend 20 bucks or so on a meal don't invite them out to eat....a couple of cocktails can easily cost as much as one of the plates on the menu so it takes a special woman to do a dinner date....you not only have to like banging them but talking to them as well. jajaja

Chicks that order more than they can eat just to take food home are poor and low class.....Chalk it up as a learning experience and aim higher next time.


'Second date mall visits are common if the girl sleeps the night with you, or even if she comes earlier in the day and there really is nothing to do besides hit the mall, or even to go to the mall to eat lunch or a personal favorite, hit a movie. Depending on how easy you were with her through her testing phase on the first date, she may talk you into some jeans, if you were real easy those jeans will surely be Studio F or Chevignon. If she is my girlfriend for several months and I find it appropriate to buy her a shirt or jeans, it would be natural, but a second date that you likely won’t see again is clearly a manipulation tactic.Sometimes at the mall it can get more sophisticated with her mentioning that she has to buy a dress for an upcoming sister or cousins wedding or something like that. I say wedding as this happened to a good friend of mine. She was hammering the ” Oh amor’s” and laying on the super affection as she looked through the dresses in hopes of you saying go ahead baby, i’ll buy it. Certain girls will always have to add something to your tab even if she is merely accompanying you to buy a shirt or whatever it might be.'
I don't think I ever had a chick pull something like this until I was in my late forties.....super hot chick that I banged three times met up with me at the mall and proceeded to tell me that she had something she wanted to show me.....lead me to the comcel store and showed me an Iphone she wanted me to buy her....the price was 1.300.000 cop...Divide that by 3 and you get 433,000 cop per lay....said "no" in two seconds flat....or maybe less. jajaja

I think a good rule of thumb is....never buy a chick anything that you would regret if you never saw her again....that means you buy chicks stuff that you really like and who deserve it because she as spent weeks or months with you....not hours or days.I think it is worth noting that there are actually some benefits to  buying chicks [snip] in Colombia and helping them out a bit.....because when you take care of them you really own them....you get to stop asking if they want to see you tonight and instead get to tell them when, where and how you want to see them....when you say come... they come...that is the way it works here. Few tourists ever get to stick around long enough to receive the full benefits of their efforts and cash....sad but true.
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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2013, 11:58:55 PM »
http://colombiahelp.com/severa-tips-to-tell-if-your-woman-is-a-prostitute/


Everybody here should read this post and the ones like it.


I always wondered what the big deal was with all of this debate about prepago this and prepago that in those threads with benjio, zon, fathertime and the rest of the crew.  I think I even commented a few times thinking I knew what they were discussing.  Lol!


Now I'm starting to figure it out.  I've been lurking around some other boards that are more prepago themed, if you will.  Guess where these whoremongers and sex-tourists go to find their prepagos/putas...the same exact "dating" websites the wife-hunters are looking for their soul-mate!!!!  I mean these boards are full of stories like "oh camila spent the night with me for 100 bucks but she had to rush home to get on skype with her gringo novios that she's stringing along."


I remember when I was in medellin I was partying with this american dude and I was having a conversation with his costena girlfriend.  I was just casually mentioning to her that I had met a couple of costenas and I was really impressed and that I liked them alot.  The first thing out of her mouth was "ah pues son prepagos".  I didn't know what to say to her.  I was thinking why would she say that?  I felt kind of insulted that she's assuming that I roll with hookers or something.
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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 12:04:54 AM »
http://colombiahelp.com/severa-tips-to-tell-if-your-woman-is-a-prostitute/


Everybody here should read this post and the ones like it.


I always wondered what the big deal was with all of this debate about prepago this and prepago that in those threads with benjio, zon, fathertime and the rest of the crew.  I think I even commented a few times thinking I knew what they were discussing.  Lol!


Now I'm starting to figure it out.  I've been lurking around some other boards that are more prepago themed, if you will.  Guess where these whoremongers and sex-tourists go to find their prepagos/putas...the same exact "dating" websites the wife-hunters are looking for their soul-mate!!!!  I mean these boards are full of stories like "oh camila spent the night with me for 100 bucks but she had to rush home to get on skype with her gringo novios that she's stringing along."


I remember when I was in medellin I was partying with this american dude and I was having a conversation with his costena girlfriend.  I was just casually mentioning to her that I had met a couple of costenas and I was really impressed and that I liked them alot.  The first thing out of her mouth was "ah pues son prepagos".  I didn't know what to say to her.  I was thinking why would she say that?  I felt kind of insulted that she's assuming that I roll with hookers or something.


"A few dead giveaways to tell if she is hooking on the side.
A girl that carries lube in her purse, or when you are having sex with her, her pussy is dry. This could be due to contraception like the pill, but very doubtful. Normally a dry pussy= a big prostitute"

LOL!!

This guys got issues...LOL!!

All normal guys have to worry about...is not paying for it.

Wife Hunters have the added burden of trying to find out if she is or ever was a prostitute.....Which is next to impossible....that's why they call it rolling the dice!

« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 12:12:43 AM by Calipro »

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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 12:32:43 AM »

"A few dead giveaways to tell if she is hooking on the side.
A girl that carries lube in her purse, or when you are having sex with her, her pussy is dry. This could be due to contraception like the pill, but very doubtful. Normally a dry pussy= a big prostitute"

LOL!!

This guys got issues...LOL!!

All normal guys have to worry about...is not paying for it.

Wife Hunters have the added burden of trying to find out if she is or ever was a prostitute.....Which is next to impossible....that's why they call it rolling the dice!



You laugh, this type of stuff really happens.


I think I dated a escort/hooker one time here in the states.  It was this young chick that always had money and a later model ford mustang.  I was in college and flat broke most of the time so she almost always paid when we went out and never complained, neither did I lol.  She told me she worked at compaq as a computer programmer.  I swear to god she told me that.  Another thing I thought was strange was the first time we were about to have sex one of the first things she says is "I don't suck dick".  The way she said it was like she had practice saying it alot or something.  It wasn't until after we didn't talk anymore that I kinda put 2 and 2 together.


Another thing, I don't know if the blog guy mentions it, but be wary of a chick that says she spends time in another city for weeks or months at a time.  When I was on the bus from bogota to medellin I set next to this adorable 19 year old chick from manizales.  Real next door type looking girl.  She was the one who referred me to the hotel I stayed at in medellin.  I thought for only a second hmm why is a young pretty girl traveling from bogota to medellin but she lives in manizales?  Well guess what I bumped into her at the hotel one day on her way to work and guess where she worked.  A strip club lol!!  I shoulda known.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 12:34:35 AM by htown »
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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2013, 04:34:32 AM »
I remember when I was in medellin I was partying with this american dude and I was having a conversation with his costena girlfriend.  I was just casually mentioning to her that I had met a couple of costenas and I was really impressed and that I liked them alot.  The first thing out of her mouth was "ah pues son prepagos".  I didn't know what to say to her.  I was thinking why would she say that?  I felt kind of insulted that she's assuming that I roll with hookers or something.

I never heard of a girl speaking negatively about women from her own region. Colombians are usually pretty impressed with themselves. I have however found that it's pretty common in Colombia for the women of one subculture to make negative generalizations about another. Paisas talk bad about Calenas. Calenas talk bad about Costenas. Costenas talk bad about Bogotanas. IMHO I don't think you're more likely to encounter a working girl in one part of Colombia as supposed to another. I will admit I've never stepped foot in Medellin though...and it's supposedly the Monger's Mecca. There are interesadas and gold diggers everywhere just like there are plenty of good women everywhere. Usually the determining factors are the decisions gringos make when they actually start dating there.
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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2013, 04:38:40 AM »
Read it again.  She was a costena and she was talking about...costenas.  I'm still confused.  I was thinking damn well how did you and your boyfriend meet again?  Oh and I wasn't trying to say that one type of colombiana is more prone to prepagoism than any other.  Definitely, definitely not saying that.


Let me add, we were pretty drunk during this conversation, so who knows...
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2013, 04:45:09 AM »
Read it again.  She was a costena and she was talking about...costenas.  I'm still confused.  I was thinking damn well how did you and your boyfriend meet again?  Oh and I wasn't trying to say that one type of colombiana is more prone to prepagoism than any other.  Definitely, definitely not saying that.


Let me add, we were pretty drunk during this conversation, so who knows...

Yeah, sorry HTown....I reread your post again and then modified my own.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2013, 05:08:32 AM »

Let me add, we were pretty drunk during this conversation, so who knows...

I definitely think there's a possibility you may have been mistaken though HTown, and I'll tell you why. One word that Paisas use constantly, that Constenas use much less is, "PUES!" LOL!!

I will add that some girls in Colombia may give off that prepago vibe, but they actually aren't prepagos. I've made the mistake of assuming that before. Some very attractive Colombianas will accordingly (and by "accordingly" I mean in their own opinion) only date men that are financially well off. Same thing here in the states. Can they actually fall for a rich guy and develop real emotions for them? Sure! Is it a good criteria for choosing a partner?  Usually not. I feel a lot less sorry for women that are constantly cheated on when they always choose men based on something other than the man himself.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2013, 05:29:02 AM »

You laugh, this type of stuff really happens.


I think I dated a escort/hooker one time here in the states.  It was this young chick that always had money and a later model ford mustang.  I was in college and flat broke most of the time so she almost always paid when we went out and never complained, neither did I lol.  She told me she worked at compaq as a computer programmer.  I swear to god she told me that.  Another thing I thought was strange was the first time we were about to have sex one of the first things she says is "I don't suck dick".  The way she said it was like she had practice saying it alot or something.  It wasn't until after we didn't talk anymore that I kinda put 2 and 2 together.


Another thing, I don't know if the blog guy mentions it, but be wary of a chick that says she spends time in another city for weeks or months at a time.  When I was on the bus from bogota to medellin I set next to this adorable 19 year old chick from manizales.  Real next door type looking girl.  She was the one who referred me to the hotel I stayed at in medellin.  I thought for only a second hmm why is a young pretty girl traveling from bogota to medellin but she lives in manizales?  Well guess what I bumped into her at the hotel one day on her way to work and guess where she worked.  A strip club lol!!  I shoulda known.


LOL!!


Now... I'm laughing even harder knowing that someone actually believes that having a dry pussy is a sign of being a hooker. jajaja

Hey..... whatever happened to the story line where innocent Colombianas were falling in love and sleeping with grinos and then getting dumped?


I like that one better than wife hunters getting duped by hookers. jajaja
« Last Edit: March 07, 2013, 05:37:49 AM by Calipro »

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2013, 06:37:48 AM »
I definitely think there's a possibility you may have been mistaken though HTown, and I'll tell you why. One word that Paisas use constantly, that Constenas use much less is, "PUES!" LOL!!

I will add that some girls in Colombia may give off that prepago vibe, but they actually aren't prepagos. I've made the mistake of assuming that before. Some very attractive Colombianas will accordingly (and by "accordingly I mean in their own opinion) only date men that are financially well off. Same thing here in the states. Can they actually fall for a rich guy and develop real emotions for them? Sure! Is it a good criteria for choosing a partner?  Usually not. I feel a lot less sorry for women that are constantly cheated on when they always choose men based on something other than the man himself.


Well she was definitely a costena but I have no idea how long she's been living in medellin, so, you know, whatever that tells you.  Plus we were drunk.


Me, I don't know if I've ever even met a "prepago".  Actually I'm pretty sure I saw a couple in poblado, from far away.  I've met strippers in colombia, so I don't know if they're considered "prepagos".  I do know that unlike american strippers, all colombian strippers are prostitutes.


And I think what you're referring to are golddiggers/interesadas, which is definitely better than a straight up prepago.  Well, sort of, I guess.  At least golddiggers pretend to have a normal relationship with you whereas a prepago lets you know up front she's only hanging around for as long as you're paying her to.
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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2013, 06:57:35 AM »

LOL!!


Now... I'm laughing even harder knowing that someone actually believes that having a dry pussy is a sign of being a hooker. jajaja

Hey..... whatever happened to the story line where innocent Colombianas were falling in love and sleeping with grinos and then getting dumped?


I like that one better than wife hunters getting duped by hookers. jajaja


I didn't say that I believe that having a dry pussy is a sign of being a hooker.  I said I believe that guys accidentally date date hookers unknowingly and that I'm pretty sure it happened to me at least once.  Hooker or not I wouldn't stay with a chick who's pussy didn't get wet anyway.


Too many damn dupers on both sides if you ask me.



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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2013, 07:38:58 AM »



well htown, you sure did find an interesting story this man tells, over a period of a couple years.  I can relate to a few of his stories, when I was seeing a lot of women.


 I can recall one lady adding a 5 or 10k phone card to a dinner bill, i can recall one lady ordering food and then taking the majority of it to go, in another case I was walking with a 1st date at the mall and she expressed interested in an item costing around $100.she really wanted me to buy it for her.  i can recall a few other low level scamming techniques.  Since i was looking to marry a lady, I would have to not date these type women after they revealed themselves. They  were all very attractive by my tastes and a part of me didn't want to release them, but i don't know what the point would have been to continue dating. 


In addition there were other instances were a lady appeared to be similarly intentioned as myself, but for one reason or another I wasn't interested ENOUGH in her so I had to a bit of a bastard and stop seeing her, and it goes without saying that cut both ways as I can recall a woman or 2 that suddenly stop answering the phone or was suddenly óut of town' as well.      I guess that is the dating game in colombia and many a man that goes into this looking for a wife winds getting involved with other types of women, it could happen to most anybody.   


My feeling is the bottom line is summed up in the following comment by a fellow poster:



. There are interesadas and gold diggers everywhere just like there are plenty of good women everywhere. Usually the determining factors are the decisions gringos make when they actually start dating there.
 
In nearly if not all cases, we are the ones who make the choices and the buck of blame stops with us if we get taken for a ride, or if we make a good choice, and everything in between. 


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Re: Anybody seen this website?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2013, 09:42:28 AM »

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I don't think I ever had a chick pull something like this until I was in my late forties.....super hot chick that I banged three times met up with me at the mall and proceeded to tell me that she had something she wanted to show me.....lead me to the comcel store and showed me an Iphone she wanted me to buy her....the price was 1.300.000 cop...Divide that by 3 and you get 433,000 cop per lay....said "no" in two seconds flat....or maybe less. jajaja




duhhhhh, why else would a hot woman want to date a 40 plus year old man.  :o
  its either about dinners, clothes, iphones,new cells,  money, vacations, computers, cars, apartment or getting to a foreign country to improve her life or options.

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2013, 10:46:22 AM »



duhhhhh, why else would a hot woman want to date a 40 plus year old man.  :o
  its either about dinners, clothes, iphones,new cells,  money, vacations, computers, cars, apartment or getting to a foreign country to improve her life or options.


LOL!!


Not everybody  has it as bad as you. jajaja


Apparently  quite a few are content to get porked by a 50 year old for a movie and a couple of beers at Regge and Pop.   


Of course  there are guys like you in Cali that swear I must be promising to marry them or paying them. Which I'm sure seems a lot more reasonable assumption based on your life experiences. LOL!!


I'm going to have to start taking more pics so I can show the guys that aren't losers what is possible in Colombia. 


So get ready to hate. jajaja
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2013, 10:57:18 AM »

LOL!!


Not everybody  has it as bad as you. jajaja


Apparently  quite a few are content to get porked by a 50 year old for a movie and a couple of beers at Regge and Pop.   


Of course  there are guys like you in Cali that swear I must be promising to marry them or paying them. Which I'm sure seems a lot more reasonable assumption based on your life experiences. LOL!!


I'm going to have to start taking more pics so I can show the guys that aren't losers what is possible in Colombia. 


So get ready to hate. jajaja


I am interested in seeing what a man of your age is pulling, I am going to be 46 soon. 

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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2013, 10:36:28 PM »
The first date I had with my girl was lunch. When the bill arrived she grabbed it and went over it with a fine tooth comb. She did this with every bill anyone ever presented to me. If she found anything suspect she pulled them up about it and if they couldn't explain it properly she told them to go away and come back with the correct bill. She also told me what was a reasonable tip to pay them.

Initially she didn't seem impressed with little gifts I gave her. What impressed her were things that seemed to come from my heart. Once she was going on about something expensive she wanted. I asked her if she was asking me to pay for it and she was offended. She had not intended to give that impression.

I took a risk early in the relationship and bought her a laptop so she could keep Skyping with me more easily. It was a risk at the time and many guys here would advise against it. As it happened it turned out to be worth every cent and some.

Later in the relationship there were a couple of expensive things that she really wanted and she did want me to pay for. Then again, when I wanted to buy her a big engagement ring she talked me out of buying her an engagement ring at all.

Her highest priority has always been - how soon can I afford to come back and spend time with her. 'Things' never mattered much.

People and situations are complex. I think you have to look at the whole picture and be genuine yourself.

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2013, 01:19:59 AM »
The first date I had with my girl was lunch. When the bill arrived she grabbed it and went over it with a fine tooth comb. She did this with every bill anyone ever presented to me. If she found anything suspect she pulled them up about it and if they couldn't explain it properly she told them to go away and come back with the correct bill. She also told me what was a reasonable tip to pay them.

Initially she didn't seem impressed with little gifts I gave her. What impressed her were things that seemed to come from my heart. Once she was going on about something expensive she wanted. I asked her if she was asking me to pay for it and she was offended. She had not intended to give that impression.

I took a risk early in the relationship and bought her a laptop so she could keep Skyping with me more easily. It was a risk at the time and many guys here would advise against it. As it happened it turned out to be worth every cent and some.

Later in the relationship there were a couple of expensive things that she really wanted and she did want me to pay for. Then again, when I wanted to buy her a big engagement ring she talked me out of buying her an engagement ring at all.

Her highest priority has always been - how soon can I afford to come back and spend time with her. 'Things' never mattered much.

People and situations are complex. I think you have to look at the whole picture and be genuine yourself.


I think most guys here that have been at this a while.....have had mutually satisfying and caring relationships with Colombianas....it's just that the few that haven't are pretty vocal.

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I think most guys here that have been at this a while.....have had mutually satisfying and caring relationships with Colombianas....it's just that the few that haven't are pretty vocal.


I wish this board had a bigger membership of active and experienced people - with a little more variety and tolerance.


I have NEVER fallen in love with a Colombiana, but I have had trusting, long term friendships.   I may be one of those that strike a cautious tone?  I think it is healthy to make people earn your trust, and this is especially true in Colombia.  Having said that, I have made many good friends in Colombia with men and women.

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2013, 07:32:20 AM »

I wish this board had a bigger membership of active and experienced people - with a little more variety and tolerance.


I have NEVER fallen in love with a Colombiana, but I have had trusting, long term friendships.   I may be one of those that strike a cautious tone?  I think it is healthy to make people earn your trust, and this is especially true in Colombia.  Having said that, I have made many good friends in Colombia with men and women.


  I just wish you would stop whinning for once is that possible? Take this board for what it is not what you want, there is plenty of boards out there with your point of view!

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[size=78%].   I may be one of those that strike a cautious tone?  I think it is healthy to make people earn your trust, and this is especially true in Colombia.  [/size]


You act like you have been the pillar of sobriety and deep thoughtful thinking when in fact your actions show that you have been immature and careless, among other things.  The relationship minded ladies see your immaturity and are repelled.
At least on this post for once you didn't grumble about all the shortcomings of the ladies.
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At least on this post for once you didn't grumble about all the shortcomings of the ladies.
Fathertime! 
I read a lot of complaints from certain men about the women from these countries, which I find a little disconcerting.  I think I would complain too if I were among them and not getting a piece of the pie.  I think i'd be frustrated.   

 

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