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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2013, 04:26:27 PM »
Pontiac- I'm not sure that I follow your train of thought. I don't think that many guys have problems dating Colombianas. When you're in Colombia, it's like being in a female prison with a handful of pardons...   The problem is that most guys don't live in Colombia and don't want to live there. They want to find a hot chica that can adapt and export her out of Colombia into their country.  That is where the difficulty can begin, but it's still not that hard.
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2013, 07:07:05 PM »
....... while you sit back and sustain yourself by eating their vomit and feces. 
.......  While they die going for what they want, you use that as evidence that it is just too risky to cross the room and get what you really want out of life and continue to eat vomit while trembling. 
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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2013, 02:55:36 PM »
Frankly, men turn to these foreign women sites because they have run out of options locally. I got SO tired of hearing "You're a nice guy, BUT..."
 
My last foray into the US dating "scene" was about a dozen years ago... I was still in my early 30s then. I set up profiles at several online sites, generally making very little headway anywhere. I totally gave up on them when one of the few ladies I had been in correspondence with, confided she was really a transsexual.
Quite a few latina and asian T/s out there as well LOL. I think men stumble upon international dating for a lot of reasons. I wouldn't buy into the only reason being because they ran out of local options. That's more along the lines of gringa thinking. I could get behind that they think their "good" options are sparse. Sure there are lonely guys out there... but we shouldn't pretend the lifestyle choices, attitudes, and behaviors of American women do not play a role in most decisions.
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2013, 05:57:13 PM »
My first trips to Latin America were for tourism.  It was how the women there treated me that convinced me I should look for a wife there.  They were just SO much more respectful to me.  There was NO attitude of trying to "put me in my place" or "taking me down a notch" that I find many American women constantly doing and most American women often doing.
 
There was a woman journalist who wrote an editorial last month about how she believes the US style feminist movement morphed from being pro-woman to being anti-man.    She (correctly) argues that uplifting women by destroying men deprives their daughters of suitable mates, making the next generations of women possibly worse off than the current one.  Trading one bad scenario for another isn't advancement.
 
I would like any children of mine to grow up in a household where both men and women are respected as men and women.  I think that has become prohibitively difficult in the US.

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2013, 06:01:08 PM »
I have lived in 3 countries, visited 20 countries and developed a very good understanding of 3 very different cultures.
IMHO most western women vs most latin women and most SE Asian women is like comparing night a day when in comes to searching for a partner.


I don't think that any one could realistically claim that I did not give western women a 100% go. Personally I never had too much problem finding a western woman to date me. I found that was the easy part. And I'm talking attractive or at least reasonably attractive looking women. The hard part was finding a western woman that would be even suitable as marriage material, for any wise man - let alone for me.


And don't think I that I was just being far too picky either. I had long term relationships and I gave them 100%, yada yada. However in the end, boy was I made to regret investing so much of myself with such women.


For years I did not think there was anything fundamentally wrong with western women. I just thought I was unlucky and made sure I kept improving my own relationship skills. But the more I read, the more I learnt and the more relationship experiences I had with western women the more obvious it was that I was getting a very raw deal.
I would discuss this with female friends to make sure I had a balanced picture. They were really quite appalled at the behaviour of their 'sisters' themselves.


And don't imagine that men fail to discuss these issues amongst themselves. We do. I found that the vast majority of men were having similar experiences to me. Not only were the majority of men secretely disillusioned with western women, but the age in which the men felt this way keeps getting younger.


Eventually I came to see the common underlying themes with these western women. And gradually I came to understand how feminism has led to these outcomes on such a wide and deep scale.


Many of these negative outcomes of feminism are widely discussed so I don't need to repeat them.
One of the key issues though are values.
  The things that men want in a wife are the very aspects that a feminised woman are deficient at. This comes from a clash of values between feminist ideology and the values required for a lasting marriage.


70% - 85% of divorces are initialed by wives in the western world. The majority of these are because the wife simply wants a change of scene. There is no particular driver per se and she is not interested in working to improve the marriage. Basically she just never really saw marriage as a lasting commitment and she has ever incentive to end it.


When I compare this with my latin wife's attitude to marriage it couldn't be more different.


This also carries through to almost every aspect of our lives.
Let's take a typical feminst hot topic. "Oh you just want a maid".
I never dated a western women that can cook better than me.
I don't need a wife to cook for me. I am happy to cook for her.
However even in this area there is a stark contrast.
My latin wife WANTs to cook and care for me. It brings her pleasure. She does not have some inner conflict about feeling this way. She isn't burdened by some feminist ideology that she should feel oppressed. She knows I am a good cook but that is not the point for her. She gains a lot of pleasure from caring for me in a femine way - which includes cooking food for me.


This stark contrast continues through to varying degrees in every aspect of our lives.
The cooking thing is actually a minor aspect. I only use it to show why feminist ideology creates a conflict within the woman which is corrosive for marriage. It is the WRONG attitude. I don't need or even want a wife to cook all my meals. However my latin wive gets pleasure from caring for me in many ways. The western woman will be torn by the voice of feminism.


So this just a very simple and basic example. There are vastly more important and difficult things than cooking in a marriage. If the feminised women is this conflicted about cooking. Something we all do every day. Something I don't even want or need her to do. Then what happens with everything else in a long term relationship that requires a life time of devotion to someone else?


No sir, she is simply not marriage material.


People talk about western men getting younger hotter foriegn brides. That is also true. However these men are going to a lot more expense and effort to do that. Hence I think that misses a key aspect of the entire motivation for most men.




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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2013, 09:07:50 PM »
There was a woman journalist who wrote an editorial last month about how she believes the US style feminist movement morphed from being pro-woman to being anti-man.   

That is exactly how I see things. I'm thankful for early feminism because of the basic rights I got, but things went out of control. I just can't believe your divorce laws, or the false rape accusations that are always taken in consideration. But it also worries me that hate is going for both sides. The manosphere is getting more and more full of anti-woman speech, not just anti-feminism. It went from hating a certain type of man/woman from hating everyone from the opposite gender. It's the end of the world.  :-\
 

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2013, 09:39:59 PM »

That is exactly how I see things. I'm thankful for early feminism because of the basic rights I got, but things went out of control. I just can't believe your divorce laws, or the false rape accusations that are always taken in consideration. But it also worries me that hate is going for both sides. The manosphere is getting more and more full of anti-woman speech, not just anti-feminism. It went from hating a certain type of man/woman from hating everyone from the opposite gender. It's the end of the world.  :-\
bg, the rules and norms of american society can really make people get upset with the opposite gender.   

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2013, 02:54:11 PM »

That is exactly how I see things. I'm thankful for early feminism because of the basic rights I got, but things went out of control. I just can't believe your divorce laws, or the false rape accusations that are always taken in consideration. But it also worries me that hate is going for both sides. The manosphere is getting more and more full of anti-woman speech, not just anti-feminism. It went from hating a certain type of man/woman from hating everyone from the opposite gender. It's the end of the world.  :-\


I think that men use a bit of short hand when they discuss this topic. In the context of discussing what a raw deal men get, they may use the word 'women'. This is a lot shorter than refering to western feminised women of the developed world countries. So when you say there is so much 'anti-women' speech I think this is not entirely true. I think in that context men are still referring to the women of their own culture - not to all women of the world. For example, men are not suggesting that they hate the masses of dirt poor women in India.

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2013, 04:30:40 PM »

I think that men use a bit of short hand when they discuss this topic. In the context of discussing what a raw deal men get, they may use the word 'women'. This is a lot shorter than refering to western feminised women of the developed world countries. So when you say there is so much 'anti-women' speech I think this is not entirely true. I think in that context men are still referring to the women of their own culture - not to all women of the world. For example, men are not suggesting that they hate the masses of dirt poor women in India.

No... You just didn't get it. I was talking especifically about the so called manosphere. Which woud be the masculine equivalente (in some extent) to the militant feminists.

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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2013, 04:42:34 PM »

That is exactly how I see things. I'm thankful for early feminism because of the basic rights I got, but things went out of control. I just can't believe your divorce laws, or the false rape accusations that are always taken in consideration. But it also worries me that hate is going for both sides. The manosphere is getting more and more full of anti-woman speech, not just anti-feminism. It went from hating a certain type of man/woman from hating everyone from the opposite gender. It's the end of the world.  :-\

BG,
 
I can't believe that you are the only young woman who has noticed this and feels as you do.  What are women, who feel as you do, doing about it?  For example, are some women chastising other women who would be willing to falsely accuse a man of rape? 

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2013, 05:23:57 PM »
Brazilophile-  I agree about the 'taking down a notch' comment. A few of my ex's would make smarta$$ remarks about various things. I would immediately fire one back at them. Next thing you know, I'm the worst person in the world for saying such things. I rarely, if ever, initiated any of those things. They could dish out a remark, but sure couldn't take one back their direction.

V-man-  About the 70-85% of divorces being filed by women, you fail to address how many of those women had crappy husbands. Your comments make it sound like those women are asking for a divorce on a whim. Don't forget that men cheat more often, are often lazy around the house and leave most of the child care to the women. And many of those women have jobs too!!

Let's face it, men had it pretty good for thousands of years. The pendulum has swung the other direction in the last 40 or 50 years. How many women do you know work full-time, manage a home and raise the children? How about the term 'dead beat dad'? There are many single mothers raising children while the fathers have very little interaction and offer very little financial support.

There are many different scenarios, but my point is...  If women had it so good before, why was there a need to change (with the feminist movement)?  It's because things weren't that great for them. Everyone here needs to understand what caused the movement:  SOME men not treating women with respect. How many wives were physically and emotionally abused by their husbands?  They stayed in the marriage because they had no money, no income and no place to go.

It's easy to sit on your computer and say "western women suck. Blah, blah, blah". Take a step back and look at the role that men played with that.

I still maintain that in the US, the biggest problem is that men and women are spoiled and self-centered. I read a book a few years ago that talked about the increas in the divorce rate in the last 40+ years. The author said that the biggest factor was the 'I/me mentality'. In previous generations, the main focus of the family was day-to-day survival (food on the table, roof over the head, the basics). In recent times, families have a little money in the bank, 2 cars in the garage and a couple of flat screen TVs. In the process of gaining that security, people now had the time to think, "hey, what do I want? What will make ME happy?".  That self-centered attitude by men and women has led us to where we are today.

To conclude this long winded post:

1) men need to look in the mirror and take some responsibility.

2) it's people being self-centered, not feminism. (feminists don't want or need a man, remember?)

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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2013, 06:43:38 PM »

BG,
 
I can't believe that you are the only young woman who has noticed this and feels as you do.  What are women, who feel as you do, doing about it?  For example, are some women chastising other women who would be willing to falsely accuse a man of rape?
I meant it related to the western society and I don't know many women who pay attention to what's happening outside. Feminism on steroids has not started here yet. We just started taking full advantage of the basic rights. Divorce and family laws are still kind of equal, most women have a more modest lifestyle when they divorce, and most women don't even report on real rape or abuse because they are ashamed and feel guilty.

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2013, 07:59:56 PM »

To conclude this long winded post:

1) men need to look in the mirror and take some responsibility.

2) it's people being self-centered, not feminism. (feminists don't want or need a man, remember?)


sound logic throughout and i agree with the conclusions!
its all good though,  ;D


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« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2013, 08:07:46 PM »
  If women had it so good before, why was there a need to change (with the feminist movement)?  It's because things weren't that great for them. Everyone here needs to understand what caused the movement: 
I've made this exact point before and pretty much nobody backed me up on it. Where the hell were you man  :-\ . You won't find too much support for you're agrument here because it seems you have to be on one side or the other.
My great grandmother lived in the USA when women were not allowed to vote (and I am a young man).
I'm big on science... stuff based on just finding answers and not pointing it where you want it to go. The studies out there point to feminism creating a fairly unhappy generation of young and middle aged ladies.
I like living in a country where everyone is free to be themselves and do their own thing. But as I've noted previously I have the right to determine if this behavior is compatible with me for a relationship.
In the midwest we have tons of women who think they are all that... in reality (according to a physican) they'd be 20lbs overweight. They got fake blonde hair... ugly tats in some cases... dress in ways that aren't all that classy (IMO), and have serious attitudes (me Me ME).
When I was younger the more I acted like a jackass the more I was rewarded by these women. If you treated them with respect they walked all over you. If you treated them like trash they kissed your ass.
I am sooo glad I discovered Latin America. Where women can still strive for fair treatment in the world... and also want to be women.
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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2013, 08:44:54 PM »
BCC- where in the Midwest? I grew up in southern Illinois and went to college in St Louis. I go back to StL for Cards, Blues & Rams games...  You are right, the women there are not all that attractive! The women in the southeastern US are much better looking!

People like to point the finger at everyone but themselves. 100% of my relationships have failed to this date (excluding my current one). I have to take ownership of that. I haven't succeeded for a handful of reasons...  and it wasn't feminism that caused them to fail. I haven't dated a feminist yet. I have dated SEVERAL spoiled, high-maintenance chicks...   my personality & hi-ma chicks are not a good combo. I dated them because they were hot. Plain & simple. Bad decisions on my part and I own up to it.

New question: Do you feel like your Latina puts you up on a pedestal? I think that is what some guys here want (not a bad thing). Maybe western women don't do that as much as latinas and that is what some are calling feminism?

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2013, 10:03:44 PM »
Jason I think you have some common misconceptions.
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Your comments make it sound like those women are asking for a divorce on a whim.
here are statistics for Australia. I imgaine the USA is similar.
55% of cases it is "communcation problems/ incompatability/drifted apart".
Saying that it was on a whim are your words. I am saying that it is very common that the women were not willing to work on these issues. And there issues arise in most marriages given time.

As for affairs - that is the reason in 20% of cases. 20.3% for women and 19.7% for men. Infidelity is equal across the genders. The claim that men are less faithful than women is a myth.

The only difference was that in 20% of these cases the wife had a child from another man and fooled the husband into thinking it was his.

Abusive behaviours make up 4% of cases.
Except that women report alcohol/drug abuse as a reason twice as much as men. Plus men report that their spouses personality was the reason five times as much as women.
Men refused to report being victims of violence whereas women readily reported even minor threats. The few men that reported being victims of voilence lost their homes and their children so they were victimised twice.

All up this rounds out the "crappy husbands" to be about 2% more than the "crappy wives". Given "crappy" is subjective this isn't statistically significant.

With regards to the division of labour only 1.7% of women reported this as the reason. However 3.9 percent of men were not happy with the way labour was divided in the household. This sort of blows apart that myth. Although the main point is that it is not a big factor.

The rest comes from financial problems, work, family interference, health issues, children problems and other.

A mate of mine has been married for 18 years and they have 2 daughters in school. His wife just said one day, last week, that she feels they are not maddly in love like they were on their honeymoon and so they should divorce. She insists there is no particular reason, she just doesn't want to be married any more. She is not willing to even discuss it. She admitted that she has been thinking this way for many months but she never raised it with her husband. Bang! 18 years. No particular reason. Not worth even discussing.

This story I hear over and over. Slightly different variations of the same theme.

I am not suggesting men are perfect. I am saying that about 55% of Australian women that get married actually lack the committment required for marriage. It is a statistical fact.

Maybe that is completely different in the USA. Maybe American men are terrible creatures that most women would not want to stay married to. However I very strongly doubt it. It certainly is not the reputation that they have.

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2013, 10:44:48 PM »
-snip-

People like to point the finger at everyone but themselves. 100% of my relationships have failed to this date (excluding my current one). I have to take ownership of that. I haven't succeeded for a handful of reasons...  and it wasn't feminism that caused them to fail. I haven't dated a feminist yet. I have dated SEVERAL spoiled, high-maintenance chicks...   my personality & hi-ma chicks are not a good combo. I dated them because they were hot. Plain & simple. Bad decisions on my part and I own up to it.

New question: Do you feel like your Latina puts you up on a pedestal? I think that is what some guys here want (not a bad thing). Maybe western women don't do that as much as latinas and that is what some are calling feminism?

I have never got my head around that turn of phrase.
Personally I don't view relationships that have ended as failures. I think that they ended. I don't think they failed. It doesn't really occur to me to 'blame' someone. I've never really been able to relate to the end of a relationship as a failure.  Maybe I am unusual in that respect.
My idea of a failure would be not having the guts to ask out that cute girl I really like.
Deciding that a woman was not worth investing more of my life in, is not my idea of a failure.

The reality is that the vast majority of your relationships are going to end. Like you said the worst endings I had, I think that I made a really poor decision to choose that person in the first place and then failed to cut my losses early enough.

I think you have missed the point. Marriage is extremely risky for men. If he feels he must get married. How is he going to choose? I think the question is: is a woman raised where the ruling ideology is feminism, likely to be good wife material? Or does that upbringing likely to leave her poorly equiped for a lasting marriage?
You know my answer.

As for your new question, I'm not sure what you are asking.
One might say my latina puts me on a pedestal just I do the same to her. We would not express it that way but others might.

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2013, 11:12:42 PM »
Two sides to every story, V-man. I imagine that your perception of your friend's divorce is coming from him. His wife might say something different.

As for stats on filing for divorce, it usually doesn't capture the whole picture. It's easier to file 'irreconcilable differences' than it is to file '[snip]ty husband'.

For years, I have worked with mostly women. I hear many stories from their side. There are men out there who aren't good husbands.

V-Man, do you think that these women file for divorce because the marriage is great? I have never heard of a great marriage that ends in divorce. Your assumption that those women lack commitment is pretty shallow rationale on your part. (funny, but shallow).

Past studies in the US have shown that men do cheat more often. Women are starting to cheat more than in the past (or more willing to admit it). Men will always cheat more often. We're biologically hardwired that way.

Honestly, V-Man, how many women think, "I'm so tired of my awesome husband, I think that I'll kick him to the curb..."?

Western women are less likely to put up with a man's [snip]ty behavior in a relationship. Is that feminism? Your posts sound like you think women shouldn't be allowed to file for divorce. And if they do file for divorce, the man is a victim (that is what your posts sound like). 

I still think that most American women would love to stay home, raise the kids, go to the gym and cook dinner for the family. The reality is that most families can't afford 2 cars and all of the luxuries that we have in the US on the husband's salary. Our priorities are out of line because of our spoiled American mindset. Ask the women that you know if they would rather work 40 hours per week or be a stay at home mom. You'll be surprised at the unfeminist answer.
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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2013, 11:27:45 PM »
I just wish that more guys on here would quit bitching and admit that they go to Latin America for a handful of other reasons. It just sounds pathetic when someone cries and whines about how feminism has done them wrong and how men are such victims. Man up for crying out loud!!

(I'm done. Said my piece. Moving on)

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2013, 12:35:48 AM »
1. In Australia we have no fault divorce and it is done is secrete courts. Hence people can give any reason they like because it makes zero difference. In addition I was quoting research where the people were asked confidentially so as to get honest answers without their ex learning what they said.

2. I think you are still missing the point.
Every marriage has ups and downs. Every husband and every wife has flaws. In these cases the men are not claiming to be perfect. In fact the woman aren't saying there is anything particularly wrong with their husbands. These women are NOT saying well he does XYZ. or he is a [snip]ty husband or anything like that.

The men are saying that they are willing to discuss it and work on whatever the issues may be.

What these women are saying is that they are not willing to improve their marriage because they don't feel any particular commitment to do so.
Anyone that thinks marriage does not take 2 people to work on it is deluding themselves. What these women are doing are saying they don't want to work on it.

I have another friend. His wife said last year she wasn't happy with their marriage. He said OK we have two young boys what can we do to turn this around and have a happy marriage? She doesn't want to talk about it but she realises she should. She just doesn't seem to know what she wants or how to communicate. They are still together and he is trying different things. However at the end of the day he is not a mind reader and unless she can learn to communicate there is a limit to what he can do about it. I don't think he is blameless at all. However what is he supposed to do?

3. Personally I didn't go to Colombia for a younger hotter woman. That I could find here. I don't want a maid, a cook or a nanny regardless of where she comes from. I explictly went looking for a woman with a career.
The 'handful of other reasons' are things that contrast with most western women. Like the commitment to marriage I have been talking about. You say this contrast is not rooted in feminism. Well I have no idea what you think it is about our modern culture - if it is not the modern feminist ideology.

4. If one thinks that latin women do not have self-esteem and demand respect one is in for a bit of a shock.

5. I have no idea who Ward Cleaver is and the 1950s was way way before my time.

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2013, 12:57:37 AM »
Jason...your posts here are very strong leaning towards feminist view points.  As Zon said in the number 2 post, The fact you went to SA and found a lady because American women are "SPOILED" proves the point.  It wasn't traditional roles that "Spoiled" women.  Plus, you just said you are around women all day; listening to complaining hens will make you a hen if you are not careful.
 
Keeping that theme (spoiled), Feminist of modern day America would not fit into the definition you posted. The attitude now is more of win at all costs approach. For example, I have very feminist lady associate she's in Pharma-sales, she is kind of a maneater. I will quote he definition of Feminism - "it's not about an equal distribution of labor, but is about a reallocation of assets".  This is the definition of SPOILED - she is wanting to do less work for more pay, hoping her T&A will do her job for her.  Yes, there are many wealthy DRS. in her wake. And her sales territory includes eastern Tenn. There is a medical pro in Cookeville that could tell you why you went to SA to find a nice gal.
 
Also, the hens complaining about there husbands - Are they the chicks that married the Football or High school flame to find out 20 years later he has a dead end job and belly. (if shes from south she has a huge butt, too so they micht be a perfect match) Now she sees the computer guy that she never gave the time of day was the better choice for a better life and mate.  There are 2 sides to every story.  When the populist belief on a board like this is there is too much estrogen running lose in the USA then there is probably too much estrogen in the USA.
 
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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2013, 07:27:28 AM »
Also, the hens complaining about there husbands - Are they the chicks that married the Football or High school flame to find out 20 years later he has a dead end job and belly. (if shes from south she has a huge butt, too so they micht be a perfect match) Now she sees the computer guy that she never gave the time of day was the better choice for a better life and mate.  There are 2 sides to every story.  When the populist belief on a board like this is there is too much estrogen running lose in the USA then there is probably too much estrogen in the USA.

I was thinking the same thing!  Since Jason has moved on from this thread, someone else will have to answer the question I have for him.  Were all the women complaining about their husbands, FORCED into the marriages in the first place?  If they freely consented to the marriage, then they must bear their share of the responsibility for its outcome.  Jason comes across to me as believing that a marriage should be a one-way street in favor of the wife. 

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2013, 07:39:20 AM »
The anti-feminism posts come off as a bunch of whiny wimps. I am just pointing out that men are just as much to blame for the divorce rate, the spoiled society and everything else that goes with it. To sit at your computer and point the finger solely at women is pretty lame (go back and read some of the anti-feminist posts on here. there is a lot of whining and finger pointing). 
 
V-Man, you draw a lot of conclusions from your divorce data. Like I said earlier, people don't decide to leave a great marriage. Usually, the person that files for divorce takes a lot of crap before they get to the point of calling off the marriage. BTW, how old are you?
 
Skynorth- It's called perspective. I have no worries about becoming a hen. I give them a lot of crap when they are start complaining about stupid stuff.  Also, a woman can be spoiled and not be a feminist. The southeastern US is full of those women.
 
The women that want to be CEO's and want to compete with men are a small percentage (and yes, those women are usually feminists). Like I posted earlier, most women would love to stay at home and be Suzy Homemaker (if their family could afford all of the luxury items on the husband's salary).
 
I asked earlier for examples of personal experiences with feminist women. No one posted a thing. I don't want to hear about your buddy Joe and his mean and awful ex-wife. I don't want to hear about something you read on the internet or heard on the news. I want to hear about something that happened to you personally.
 
 

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2013, 08:00:28 AM »

I was thinking the same thing!  Since Jason has moved on from this thread, someone else will have to answer the question I have for him.  Were all the women complaining about their husbands, FORCED into the marriages in the first place?  If they freely consented to the marriage, then they must bear their share of the responsibility for its outcome.  Jason comes across to me as believing that a marriage should be a one-way street in favor of the wife.

That's funny because I read the other posts as being a one-way whining fest for the men.
 
Obviously, I think that it's a 50/50 thing. I am all about personal responsibility for both people in the relationship. 
 
When people get on here and bash western women and everything about women in their country, it sounds like a bunch of bitter, angry losers. Is that what some of you guys are?  People talk about feminism turning into being "anti-men", well instead of being pro-Latina, some people are sounding like they are being anti-(western)women. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.
 
This board is cool when people tell about their trips. It's cool when people tell about their Latina's first experiences after arriving in their country. It's also good when people tell about their ups and downs with their relationships. It's not cool when people whine and complain and blame the horrible western women. Like I said earlier, it sounds like a bunch of bitter, angry losers.   
 
 

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Re: Feminism/Why are you looking outside your country?
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2013, 01:46:16 PM »

That's funny because I read the other posts as being a one-way whining fest for the men.
 
Obviously, I think that it's a 50/50 thing. I am all about personal responsibility for both people in the relationship. 
Feminism is probably even a poor choice of words at this point because it means different things to different people. When you ask women to give you a definition it is pretty wide ranging.
What I can say is that there is a real attitude and behavior problem in my generation. And this screws the educated, rational, professional young men in our society. That I can tell you with certainty is real. My grandmother would tell you she is not a fan of the behavior and culture of most young women. Liberal American Male Bill Maher and other liberal males point out the many problems with the attitudes and culture of modern day women (generalizing of course) as well.
Women would be a lot happier if they let men be men and stopped asking us to apologize for it.... that's liberal voice Bill Maher right there.
I don't have any kids this age yet... but I've heard stories from family about how young boys are treated by FEMALE teachers... there are some articles out there as well that paint a pretty troubling picture... not written by conservatives... but moderate voices.
And what I mean by that is that it is becoming politically/culturally incorrect to be male. Walk up on any stage and say women are smarter than men. Applause Applause. Suggest men are smarter than women and you'd be booed off the stage. Sexism exists subvertly for women sure... but this overt sexism to me is rather disgusting.
So whatever you want to call it.... there is an issue out there... and I think it is ok for men to sound off on it.  But ultimately I agree reading a trip report or having valuable travel information passed on is a lot more productive.
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