They are there

[Jeff S]

Hmmm, Bob - Sounds like a patentable device opportunity - maybe a vacuum chuck for a baby?

[V_Man]

Hey Jeff!! You are on to something there!! You could make your first million.

[Bob_S]

Could've used one back then.  And a vinyl jummer suit to diffuse the suction so she didn't get pinpoint hicky marks all over her back side.

[opusone]

I know you're just joking Mudd, but plenty of great girls in the U.S. under 150 lbs. For one reason or another they just aren't the preference of most men that eventually choose to search overseas or the guy that's doing the searching doesn't have a chance in hell with any of them.
 
I myself prefer a wife and mother over a business partner. I make more than enough money to support a family on my income alone and I place very high importance on a family having a fulltime caregiver at home. So I have never had any interest in dating a woman that wants to have a career. Still, there are plenty of very attractive career women in the United States that would make great wives and mothers. I know dozens. Although it's a lot less common, you'll even find those willing to quit their jobs and become fulltime housewives. Just like you'll find a lot of eligible Colombian Women that would rather be career women...especially in Bogota.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: If women in Latin America were mostly ugly, and men from the United States were mostly poor, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Let's just call this what it is: Mostly average men looking for women that are well above average on the hotness scale. And hot women looking for men that can take better care of them than those that are locally available. Ever wonder why there's no market for marriage agencies in countries where women can make a living comparable to that of men? But you know what guys and gals...There's absolutely nothing wrong with that!!!
 
When you see famous male athletes or celebrities in the United States they almost always have a gorgeous woman on their arm. These women are most often from the United States, not from other countries. These guys are able to date women on that level for a variety of reasons. Some women just love the attention that comes along with dating a famous man. Some are gold-diggers. Others are looking to enhance their own careers in their respective industries. I think the least common reason is they only date the best looking guys out there, because we all know there's some ugly a$$ famous men in America. IMHO it's usually because these men have the potential to be the best providers and caretakers. Very seldom are these marriages based on true love and compatibility (at least on the woman's part). Beautiful Women have their choice of almost any man, and most want to be with men that can give them everything they've ever wanted and needed. This is more than a conscious decision. At some levels human nature is at play here. Just like men being attracted to women with larger breast because evolution has taught us they are more fertile; women are attracted to men who can take the best care of them. Same reason most women are attracted to taller and more muscular men. It has very little to do with appearance and much more to do with the fact that evolution has taught them these men can protect them better than a man that's smaller. What has always tripped me out about these guys is they must never tell themselves, "If I wasn't rich and famous, I wouldn't have a chance in hell with this girl." As soon as they lose all their money, the women are usually out the door as well. Any hint of an irreconcilable difference, and divorce papers are soon to follow. The lack of true love is usually apparent as soon as there's some interruption in the original "Provider Husband/Housewive" gender roles.
 
There lies the problem with a lot of gringos in Colombia. It's not that there's not good women. There's a ton of them. More than you could ever date in an entire lifetime. It's that guys don't ask themselves, "If I wasn't a gringo this Colombiana is perceiving as a better provider, would she have given me a second look?" IMHO, one of the number one reasons guys fail in Colombia is because as soon as they realize they can date the most attractive women they've ever been able to, this becomes the primary criteria for how they choose which women to date. It's not enough that most of the women are more attractive compared to the average American Woman. Most guys chase after the prettiest girls that show them attention. As men, we're visual creatures. It's in our nature. This is why a lot of guys end up dating prepagos and interesadas. And even if an exceptionally beautiful Colombiana is sincere, that beauty queen might not turn out to be the best wife and/or mother. But who's to blame? Those aren't the characteristics you based your decision on.
 
I'll give all newbies some advice one of the veterans from Gringos gave me. I had the honor of spending a few days in Colombia with this gentleman and he taught me so much I can never thank him enough:
 
"Enjoy the view, but take in the scenery...take it ALL in." -TheFamousWingMan

Benjio, this is the most accurate post I have ever read on this forum!


 The line specifically that rings true more than anything is " if women in latin america were ugly or men in the U.S. were mostly poor, we wouldn't be having this conversation". I have no idea why some of these men think that Latinas are with them for some other primary reason. I have lived in Latin America all my life, and being from Spain, I can tell you that you will see some of the poorest men with some of the most beautiful women so "WE" know its not about our money.


Even more so, we don't have to chase one woman around like a dog salivating, showering her with gifts because Latin American women by nature hate competition and would be happy enough just to know you are interested in being her man. My friends and I laugh when we  hear/see guys (gringos) spending tons of money on someone they are "dating",and its even worse when the girl is not of a high social status.  Very few Latin men that are secured financially will spend one red cent on certain women , and when we do spend , it is on more than one woman that is chasing us, not the other way around. Someone flipped the script around a long time ago, and the standards are all a$$ backwards . I can guarantee that most of the men who do this, never really live in Latin America( they may visit often or not), nor do they visit different countries and stay for very long.  They learn a few phrases , barely know how to dance,never understand the idiosyncrasies of the culture in depth and wala ....Viva Colombia Colombia Colombia...what a joke

[whitey]

Even more so, we don't have to chase one woman around like a dog salivating, showering her with gifts because Latin American women by nature hate competition and would be happy enough just to know you are interested in being her man. My friends and I laugh when we  hear/see guys (gringos) spending tons of money on someone they are "dating",and its even worse when the girl is not of a high social status.  Very few Latin men that are secured financially will spend one red cent on certain women , and when we do spend , it is on more than one woman that is chasing us, not the other way around. Someone flipped the script around a long time ago, and the standards are all a$$ backwards . I can guarantee that most of the men who do this, never really live in Latin America( they may visit often or not), nor do they visit different countries and stay for very long.  They learn a few phrases , barely know how to dance,never understand the idiosyncrasies of the culture in depth and wala ....Viva Colombia Colombia Colombia...what a joke

Well, this all sounds great for latin men, but lot's of them are doing the same thing some gringos are ... fawning over women and/or throwing tons of money at the girlfriend or mistress to buy her time and affection.  My wife has told me several stories of friends and relatives who have received this treatment from Colombian guys ...

[utopiacowboy]

Well, this all sounds great for latin men, but lot's of them are doing the same thing some gringos are ... fawning over women and/or throwing tons of money at the girlfriend or mistress to buy her time and affection.  My wife has told me several stories of friends and relatives who have received this treatment from Colombian guys ...

You got that right. You should hear the stories my wife tells me about all the Colombian guys who used to court her when she was young. I would use a certain two word term that ends with "whipped" to describe them but that would imply they were getting something they weren't getting from her. The infamous Latin lover..........lol

[opusone]

 UTOPIA and Whitey:  I can understand the idea of thinking that if a woman tells you that a particular Colombian or (latin) male, has showered her with gifts when he was courting her, that it means that he is acting just like any gringo would. On the contrary, and here's why.  In general terms ,as opposed to the one male who does it, Latin males, who in fact have loads of money, will never just court one woman. He doesn't have to .If that is not clear to a gringo after he  has been living there for years, he is totally blind. Perhaps dumb and deaf too.  Most of the time, most gringos do not have the time or energy to immerse themselves in the day to day living of a particular culture.If for one moment one believes that the culture is set up like that, then you are definitely getting one side of the story, and it's probably coming from someone who has married a gringo, , seriously dating one, and, can't stand the fact that Latin males are notorious for having as many options as possible. It's not that they (latin males)don't spend money , but, I can't agree that when "dating" , they will spend tons of money on just one woman. It's always good to make her think/feel that way, but, I suspect they know the truth. Reserve capital is spread out over many women and they(latin females) ,know this all too well.


Now, my other point , which is even more concrete and factual, is that there are a hell of a lot more poor latin males, than they are rich .Therefore, one should want to understand the dynamics of how these men are still getting some of the most beautiful latin women without spending thousands of dollars "dating". It's not rocket science. Males, in Spain, are disputing over bread , yet, they are walking around with some of the world's most beautiful women on their arms. Why do you think that is? Whilst living in Sao Paolo, I saw males  dressed in what we would consider inadequate garb when they are out with gorgeous women ,and, too add insult to injury (in our minds),he's in a beat up taxi with her (not your mercedes). How did he pull that off? Must be all that cash he had .


Lastly , it's not even the "legendary sex", in case you were pondering. It is in fact, attitude/ swagger (which they admire), comfort  in you understanding their customs, and last but not least, the ole' axiom of ...supply and demand. To make this point even clearer, speak to a single(as in not attached) gringo, who has lived abroad for many years, and dates more than one woman. He will tell you that once he figures this out, it is as easy as taking candy from a baby. When he is ready, he will settle on one. This does not require thousands of dollars being spent on "ONE" woman.  There is a myth that has been created by agencies, guides, friends  and forum members who believe that you will have to spend a lot of money to get that beautiful loving wife . It may be true for those who have found love that way , but, it is not necessary . Time is you friend, but ,for most gringos searching for a mate , it is the enemy.  With a little effort and observation , one can learn the cadence of it all. Hey, if 10k gets you into the dating pool(trips , dinners, fancy hotels, agency fees, etc.) to find a wife , then by all means spend it. Some of us can spread 1k out over 15 women, (diversify the portfolio) , save 9k for the next batch in case things go terribly wrong with that "special one" and be happy with the same results that you are seeking. May sound cheap to you, but it is not required to have a pocket full of dollars, as is evidenced in their day to day living.  To each his own and I respect your opinions.

[aconcepts]

"To make this point even clearer, speak to a single(as in not attached) gringo, who has lived abroad for many years, and dates more than one woman. He will tell you that once he figures this out, it is as easy as taking candy from a baby. When he is ready, he will settle on one. This does not require thousands of dollars being spent on "ONE" woman. "


I am one of those gringos and the above is exactly true.


These are the spoils of voting with you feet.


You live here you get it, and you take your time and chose or you don't ever choose. Plenty more where that came from//


Look I have the means, but I don't throw around cash. A girlfriend recommended a playmate to me.


It started like this;


Hi I am looking for a job. (shy ploy).


You are looking for a job or money.


A job


OK my friend is a chiro and is looking to hire, here is his number, 6 days a week 10 hours a day


Oh... well I am also looking for money.


Ah well, we go out to dimmer and maybe a club and have some fun. if we get along we go back to my place and you go home with and buy yourself a present tomorrow.


How much?


depends


depends on what?


How well we get along.


You mean like $100


No I mean like what ever happens


you won't pay $100.


No I am not a tourist looking for a prostitute.


My friend told me you were rich, Rich men pay $100


Not all of them


I guess not.


Look why don't you call my friend the chiro.


I am looking to have fun and help out.


Give him a call


OK


Bye


On to the next one.


See you gringos would never have the confidence to do that,


This was a super hot 25 year old beautiful chick. Most you guys would give the left nut to be with her. I had seen her before with my friend.


She approached me wrong.


Like I was a gringo.


Now the difference is I am in command not the chick. In the US she would be calling the shots. Here its on to plan B through Z.


Just like Opusone wrote above.


I know you guys don't want to believe it, but that is what happens when a gringo goes through the learning curve. You guys live in your world. You think like that and you grab a chick from LA and bring her to your world. Your rules are the only rules you know.


You don't understand that she is used to different harder rules.


So you offer the easy rules and she says - Rock on big daddy. Put me on a pedestal and move me to where the laws favor me! Lets go ahora mismo!


That is why like I have said many times, we Ticos and soon to be Tico (like me) laugh our asses off at you guys cause you walk into a ice cream store where you can have 10 flavors for $10 and you pay $100 for ONE FLAVOR.


Its true, But you have to get it, Speak Spanish, talk crap, stand your ground like your Latin buddies do.


The problem in the US is you guys don't stand united, You have no brotherhood.


Instead of brotherhood you back stab other guys by throwing yourself at women an playing the lets see who can outbid the other for this hot chick. Well I'll give you this, Ahm well I can provide that.


Here good girls think you are trying to buy their affection if you play that game and they are insulted. No soy interesada. is what they say.


Its almost impossible for you guys to understand because of the feminist indoctrination and the way you approach and worship women.


Latin guys hate it, With good reason. If you understood the game you would hate gringo wife hunters too.


What do you think of a guy that walks up to a hot dog cart an pays $100 for a $2 hot dog, Jack ass right?


remember I said "own the room." That is the best you will do if you come down here without knowing smack... Not the cocky gringo like Vm pointed out thing, but the retain your dignity I am a man and I know I am desirable thing. US women have rammed you down so far you cannot even fathom that what I and Opusone say is in fact exactly true.


Latin chicks like men. US women hate them. They want to degrade you. Latin women want to take care of you. But you guys are so confused you think that any woman that does not degrade you as a man likes you and you throw your cash at her,


Jeeez... I have known the 23 year old morena for 2 weeks, yea I took her to an expensive place cause I wanted to go there, not to impress her, next dates have been at my house cooking, cleaning, in the spa and watching movies. She knows I get it, She does not see me as a gringo meal ticket. I am just an older guy with my junk together that enjoys dressing and dining women. Not to buy their affection, but because its enjoyable. They sense the difference. its called confidence. I know who I am and I know my worth as a man. Therefore so does she?


Opusone? What do you think....


Oh one other thing. My tico friends got no hang up about their performance in bed, The whole idea of "performance" is forign to them. Satisfying your mate sexually as a goal for them is like weird, They don't worry about it. Now I know some gringos that talk about how ggo they are in bed and their sexual appetites. Hell my Tico buddies think again, that gringos do not know what is important. They talk like male prostitutes.


When it comes to women gringos have lost all perspective. Its really very sad and i feel so bad for my country men that its hard for me to return and watch then suffer like the manslaves to women that they are.

[utopiacowboy]

You haven't heard the stories. Some of these guys were downright pathetic. There was one guy who used to come to her house and frigging serenade her every night except he would come at 11 and 12 at night. Finally her father had had enough and he hollered at her, "Look at this guy! I ask you, is he a man you would want to marry?". Needless to say she sent him packing after that. The guy actually became a well-known singer and she says she used to see him every so often and laugh about his serenading her.

If you think I spent money on her, hehehe,  you should talk to my wife. Amarrado is the word although apparently I'm not as bad as my brother-in-law. 

[opusone]

You haven't heard the stories. Some of these guys were downright pathetic. There was one guy who used to come to her house and frigging serenade her every night except he would come at 11 and 12 at night. Finally her father had had enough and he hollered at her, "Look at this guy! I ask you, is he a man you would want to marry?". Needless to say she sent him packing after that. The guy actually became a well-known singer and she says she used to see him every so often and laugh about his serenading her.

If you think I spent money on her, hehehe,  you should talk to my wife. Amarrado is the word although apparently I'm not as bad as my brother-in-law.

U.C.> First, I am happy to hear that you didn't have to spend your hard earned cash just to impress your wife. Whether you spent 50k or 50 pesos, you are happy, and my post above makes mention of this very clearly.I  certainly haven't heard the stories of the pathetic men who serenaded your wife, apparently to the point that it became nauseating.  I merely am pointing out that the exception, and the rule , (when it comes to gringos on the hunt for a wife), are exclusive, yet, quite blurred. Gringos have a bad habit of breaking the "rule" , thinking they are the "exception"!  The same men who will complain about what  so called "1st world women" and the "system" have done to them financially , will go south ,(or east) , repeat the same wretched mistakes, and create the monster all over again. This is why these women have come to believe that this is what is normal. They are fully aware that most of the men in their country are not emasculated simply because they are pretty, sexy ,or smart.  We foreigners, have enabled this kind of mentality , and we feed it by not taking the time out to learn the cadence and customs. There is  no secret as to why the taxi driver, the bartender, and a host of other "service providers" , react so strangely when you tell them immediately how things work. As soon as they know that you are not some fly- by -night, desperate male with a severe burning in your loins for love and lust,  they have some sort of renewed revelation as to how to be fair, respectful, and dare I say, honest.  In closing, congrats' on your lasting relationship.

[opusone]

"To make this point even clearer, speak to a single(as in not attached) gringo, who has lived abroad for many years, and dates more than one woman. He will tell you that once he figures this out, it is as easy as taking candy from a baby. When he is ready, he will settle on one. This does not require thousands of dollars being spent on "ONE" woman. "


I am one of those gringos and the above is exactly true.


These are the spoils of voting with you feet.


You live here you get it, and you take your time and chose or you don't ever choose. Plenty more where that came from//


Look I have the means, but I don't throw around cash. A girlfriend recommended a playmate to me.


It started like this;


Hi I am looking for a job. (shy ploy).


You are looking for a job or money.


A job


OK my friend is a chiro and is looking to hire, here is his number, 6 days a week 10 hours a day


Oh... well I am also looking for money.


Ah well, we go out to dimmer and maybe a club and have some fun. if we get along we go back to my place and you go home with and buy yourself a present tomorrow.


How much?


depends


depends on what?


How well we get along.


You mean like $100


No I mean like what ever happens


you won't pay $100.


No I am not a tourist looking for a prostitute.


My friend told me you were rich, Rich men pay $100


Not all of them


I guess not.


Look why don't you call my friend the chiro.


I am looking to have fun and help out.


Give him a call


OK


Bye


On to the next one.


See you gringos would never have the confidence to do that,


This was a super hot 25 year old beautiful chick. Most you guys would give the left nut to be with her. I had seen her before with my friend.


She approached me wrong.


Like I was a gringo.


Now the difference is I am in command not the chick. In the US she would be calling the shots. Here its on to plan B through Z.


Just like Opusone wrote above.


I know you guys don't want to believe it, but that is what happens when a gringo goes through the learning curve. You guys live in your world. You think like that and you grab a chick from LA and bring her to your world. Your rules are the only rules you know.


You don't understand that she is used to different harder rules.


So you offer the easy rules and she says - Rock on big daddy. Put me on a pedestal and move me to where the laws favor me! Lets go ahora mismo!


That is why like I have said many times, we Ticos and soon to be Tico (like me) laugh our asses off at you guys cause you walk into a ice cream store where you can have 10 flavors for $10 and you pay $100 for ONE FLAVOR.


Its true, But you have to get it, Speak Spanish, talk crap, stand your ground like your Latin buddies do.


The problem in the US is you guys don't stand united, You have no brotherhood.


Instead of brotherhood you back stab other guys by throwing yourself at women an playing the lets see who can outbid the other for this hot chick. Well I'll give you this, Ahm well I can provide that.


Here good girls think you are trying to buy their affection if you play that game and they are insulted. No soy interesada. is what they say.


Its almost impossible for you guys to understand because of the feminist indoctrination and the way you approach and worship women.


Latin guys hate it, With good reason. If you understood the game you would hate gringo wife hunters too.


What do you think of a guy that walks up to a hot dog cart an pays $100 for a $2 hot dog, Jack ass right?


remember I said "own the room." That is the best you will do if you come down here without knowing smack... Not the cocky gringo like Vm pointed out thing, but the retain your dignity I am a man and I know I am desirable thing. US women have rammed you down so far you cannot even fathom that what I and Opusone say is in fact exactly true.


Latin chicks like men. US women hate them. They want to degrade you. Latin women want to take care of you. But you guys are so confused you think that any woman that does not degrade you as a man likes you and you throw your cash at her,


Jeeez... I have known the 23 year old morena for 2 weeks, yea I took her to an expensive place cause I wanted to go there, not to impress her, next dates have been at my house cooking, cleaning, in the spa and watching movies. She knows I get it, She does not see me as a gringo meal ticket. I am just an older guy with my junk together that enjoys dressing and dining women. Not to buy their affection, but because its enjoyable. They sense the difference. its called confidence. I know who I am and I know my worth as a man. Therefore so does she?


Opusone? What do you think....


Oh one other thing. My tico friends got no hang up about their performance in bed, The whole idea of "performance" is forign to them. Satisfying your mate sexually as a goal for them is like weird, They don't worry about it. Now I know some gringos that talk about how ggo they are in bed and their sexual appetites. Hell my Tico buddies think again, that gringos do not know what is important. They talk like male prostitutes.


When it comes to women gringos have lost all perspective. Its really very sad and i feel so bad for my country men that its hard for me to return and watch then suffer like the manslaves to women that they are.

Aconcepts,


You are right about everything you wrote. You should start an agency in Costa Rica to train some of these men how to act when presented with such a strange concept of how to wheel / deal, and still find love in Latin America ,without tapping into your pension...lol


What is even more surprising is that a lot of these men complain about the fem-nazis in their country, swear off ever letting a woman take advantage of them financially, or emotionally, yet, once those latina eyes get a hold of them , all bets are off. It is amazing to see how easily "area25" of your brain is affected after just a few words are spoken and distorted.


I remember seeing a poor soul being lead around by a nose hook by what the locals would consider an average find. He was very excited as if he had conquered some new found land. The grins (he thought they were smiles reserved for the "conquistador"),   were a tell tale sign of how much the locals were looking forward to fleecing the poor bastard. He had no concept of why he was paying more when locals were paying less. He had no idea what it meant when family members become overly helpful. He had no idea of what the word NO, meant. He was lonely, and thought no one else would sense it. You could see it in the way he walked, and spoke. I bet his head is still stuck nodding up and down (yes position) when being told something after all these years. What you see is what you get.


As you said Aconcepts , you have to own the room! At least act like it guys, even if you don't know the ropes just yet. Why should you spend thousand of dollars on (5) day trips, seeking out one woman who may not even pan out for you? Spend some quality time figuring out how things work. Take a month off (if you can), make friends while you are there, and observe. You must immerse, lest you waddle in the mud like a stuck pig.  They are plenty of women who are hidden from view and are waiting for good men, but it takes time. You wouldn't just invest all your money back home in your home country without knowing the facts about your investment right? Why is this investment any different? If you truly are seeking a long life mate, you have to have the guts to stand up for what is right, when you know it is right. All this distortion about spending makes me cringe.  For instance, Jamie (though he gets his cut) will tell you point blank not to spend lots of money on someone you just met , and furthermore, keep all options open . That would mean that you should remain cautious, and at least reasonably intelligent about what is being set in front  of you. If you spend money on the finer things , make sure it is because that is what you like to do for enjoyment, not to impress her.


Aconcepts have told you , these people will sense your lack of confidence, and manipulate it to no end.  I urge some of you guys to start listening with your eyes.

[Alabamaboy!]

You got that right. You should hear the stories my wife tells me about all the Colombian guys who used to court her when she was young. I would use a certain two word term that ends with "whipped" to describe them but that would imply they were getting something they weren't getting from her. The infamous Latin lover..........lol

One guy I know in BAQ was working his tail off trying to make a buck here and there just to blow it all on a snippy, ungracious, unloving morena he was involved with. She worked him over good and at the end he did not have much to show for it other than empty pockets and a bad case of blue balls.

[aconcepts]

opusone,


"What is even more surprising is that a lot of these men complain about the fem-nazis in their country, swear off ever letting a woman take advantage of them financially, or emotionally, yet, once those latina eyes get a hold of them , all bets are off. It is amazing to see how easily "area25" of your brain is affected after just a few words are spoken and distorted. "


its funny how deep the "need" the desperate need is ingrained into US men.


They are desperate, just like the women want them to be.


The worst thing you can be as a man, the most undignified thing you can be as a man is desperate.


Look at their mothers now a days. These mothers are theaching thier sons to worship women by the way they treat their husbands. The kids see this.


Latin women worship their sons. American mothers train them to be woman servents.


S I think (probably wrong as usual), that something triggers the servant/worshipper response.


The only way I see men getting over this is to go south I watch how women are treated by their men. They don't hang out with their women 24/7 and be their little soul mate.


Men need to see how women want to be commanded. They want that. US guys just don't belive it or just don'y have the balls to say, Hey we are going here Saturday, No they say, honey is it ok if we can go here saturday for a little while, I will have you car detailes and send your mother flowers if you say we can...


Kwhat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just watch network TV and look at the asinine behavior of the males. They are all women.


You guys think its normal now to act like the "men" you see on TV.


Look. watch a Bogart movie.


THAT IS THE WAY MEN USED TO BE IN THE US - AND THEY ARE STILL THAT WAY IN CR - FOR THE MOST PART ANYWAYS BUT THAT IS SLOWLY CHANGING AS WELL.


Bogart kicks them to the curb if they act out.


When I go to the state women are in a perpetual state of acting out, Spoiled little children all of them and the kids see this and they act out...


Miserable all of it...


I gatta go I am getting nauseated thinking about it.


anyways opusone I hope you keep writing so the newbies here have a chance at least. You really went to the core of the issue regarding how to act here. Great insight.

[Jeff S]

Reading the Latin Board here really clarifies to me why I decided, after having spent years traveling to Latin America and dating Latinas, that the culture of Asia was much more my cup of o-cha (tea.)


My wife and I aren't in competition. I don't smack her down just on principle to keep her in line. She doesn't play me to get more stuff. I'm not PW and she's not manipulative. I buy her things because I enjoy it. We go out to eat in nice restaurants because I like to eat in nice restaurants too. She doesn't complain when I go hunting and fishing with my friends when I need some outdoor guy time, in fact, she encourages it, and I don't whine when she goes out with her friends and I have to throw a steak on the grill to make my own dinner. Lots of times we do things like hop in the car for a wine weekend because I like a day wine tasting, with an afternoon relaxing in the spa, eating fancy deli foods spread out on the bed of our hotel room. This isn't to impress her or to try to get her to do something - it's because I think it's fun, and she does too. I get that sometimes she just wants a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes, and she gets that sometimes I want a new Beretta Super Pigeon, and if we have the spare cash, we get it. There's no need for me to prove to her that I'm the man, she simply gets it, and there's no need for me to try to modify her behavior, I get it.


I know my situation is very different from what happens in the US, and from what I'm reading this is also entirely different than what goes on with AM / LW interaction, too. Sorry but just not interested in taking a how to treat a woman boot camp, as opusone recommended aconcepts start. Sure glad there are other options for guys like me.

[aconcepts]

yeah Jeff but you are dating in one of the most civil and sophisticated cultures.... japan.


We are dating in the wild! jajajajaja....


You pay for the curves.. and sometimes dearly


I have said it before, if I was to do it again I would have never tasted the forbiden fruit.


 would have went  Asian.

[whitey]

Jeff, my wife isn't like that at all.  I'm sure she's not the only one and other guys here will agree.


Our marriage sounds a lot like yours, except lower down on the economic scale ...


Opusone. thanks for your reply to my post ... it's been a crappy 14 hour day at work so I don't have the energy to respond, but appreciated it none-the-less even though there's parts I'd like to refute when I have the time.

[fathertime]

Jeff, my wife isn't like that at all.  I'm sure she's not the only one and other guys here will agree.


Our marriage sounds a lot like yours, except lower down on the economic scale ...

 

I have to agree with Jeff and whitey here.  How Jeff described his marriage is very similar to how I see ours.  Not exactly the same but similar.
  I don't know whose marriages these other fellas are representing but it just has not been what I've experienced.   I suppose there are some dunderheads out there that are going to get pushed around by their spouses and others that are going to be robbed blind, but a lot of times those gooftards never learn so I guess that is the best they can do.  Every once in a while a guy can get common sense drilled into him, but that seems pretty rare...mostly people repeat mistakes over and over. 


Fathertime! 

[Jeff S]

I assume everyone got that I was being somewhat sarcastic. Whitey, Fathertime, and I had an operative term in our posts that was entirely foreign to most of what this thread was all about - we were talking about our wives, not our quarry.

[V_Man]

Maybe I'm just lucky but thus far my girl has not been like all the negative sterotypes. She is like many of the positive stereotypes though! 

[aconcepts]

"Sorry but just not interested in taking a how to treat a woman boot camp, as opusone recommended aconcepts start. Sure glad there are other options for guys like me"


That was kind of a snarky remark.


Maybe you don't need it.


Maybe others do


And maybe at one time you did need it.


And maybe not now.




If you were single and leaving your brains on the plane cause you work 50 hours a week and thinking as you do at work is the last thing you want, and now in LA you are getting laid at will and it's all so euphoric.


Then you come back on the second trip and try to meld what you had into your daily living back home, you just might need a boot camp to straighten you out as to reasonable behavior in a foreign land and reasonable expectations.


You are kind of taking the "look at me and my relationship" condescending position ha ha I am married!.


Instead of being great full for your happiness and what I think most guys here want you are kind of flaunting it like it's the norm and it's easy to find a wife and somehow the quarry is undignified.




I see hunting as legitimate as much as you see marriage as legitimate. It’s a lot easier to be a little game hunter than a big game hunter. Plenty of little game to go around.  Some are satisfied with little game from the quarry. Other want a specimen quality catch.


And I dare to assume that one time you were a hunter as well. Or did all your catch descend on a cloud from the heavens above...


Some people see wife worship as legitimate, others are women haters. Most fall somewhere in between.


Some say it takes all kinds to make the world go round. I say it doesn't.


It's just that all these goofy types just happen to be here.


Many if not most just getting in the way.


I see the standard marriage as monotonous drag and unrelenting.


Maybe you have a superior marriage.


Again, being grateful rather than condescending might be the ticket.


I like what FT says that maybe it's just the man and who he is that determines his level of cooperation to make it work. Also what he will settle for. Both he and me will not settle for unattractive, no matter how malleable they are.


Some men are more cooperative to the point of the endless honey do list.


Some want the woman to perform their endless honey do me list.


For those guys the quarry is most valuable, because that is where the spoils may be found. The gems that worships them. Not visa versa or even in a balanced way.


I am not looking for an equal marriage like the femanazi espouse. I wear the pants. Firmly (all possible puns intended). Many US men by osmosis have been compromised to belive that the marriage equation has to be equall in evetlittle way to be right. A politically correct marriage,,, yea right like as in 50% devorce rate and 90% miserable rate.


Men and women are not equal therefore marriages and each person part in the marriage need not be equal.


What you wash and she dries,


Tomorroe she washes and you dry.


But always you do 50% of the dish washing? That is feminist indoctrination.


I am using the extremes here to make my point that as FT says it takes malleability to make it work, bend bend bend...


I don't like to bend that much. I like the chicks bending (all possible puns intended). I like to use the Vaseline, not receive it…


Also remember at one point a potential wife was part of everyone's quarry. Even yours.


So I say thank god for the quarry rather than your implied disdain...


You know I try and help guys with their attitude and explain the differences here versus the US, but I don't imply that being single and in a perpetual hunt is better than being married. Or visa versa. There are people that are happily single and there are people that are happily married and that goes for miserably single and miserably married.


The point is for those so graced with a spouse, those so bendable, that others less graced may find it valuable to know to what length they may have to bend.


Some come here and think they have to bend as they do in the US.


What OP and I are trying to point out is that if you act like a local rather than a gringo you may have to bend very little.


But most Americans have been trained to bend a lot! They may even like it as illustrated by the plethora of gays appearing on network TV!!


In my days in the US it was not natural to bend for men or for women. Maybe things have changed there. Not here!


Isn't that what we are really talking about anyways: that US men bend and bend and bend and their wives bend very little?


Is that not why the majority of people are on this site because they are tired of bending all the time to US women??


Also I have seen at least half of my friends worship their wives and treat her like gold later to disdain and divorce them. Also I see 40% of the rest of the marriages as something I would be miserable in. Way too much bending. Unacceptable completely.


So maybe, who knows, at least for now anyways, you are part of the 10% happily married. God bless you. Hope it remains that way.


Count you blessing rather than puff your chest. There may come a day when you too will no longer disdain the quarry as it was once the well you dipped to quench your thirst... You may have to return to the land of mere mortals…


just saying -

[Jeff S]

No, I'm not taking the "look at me I'm happily married" condescending attitude. I'm responding to your condescending  "look at me, I'm a macho man, getting a lot of tail, and you married jerkoffs don't know how to keep your women in their places" attitude.


Being proud of hanging out in the third world and getting a lot of tail is fine. Those who wile away their lives doing just that, often seem to assume that everyone else secretly yearns to be like them. That's a self aggrandizing fantasy.

[opusone]

"Sorry but just not interested in taking a how to treat a woman boot camp, as opusone recommended aconcepts start. Sure glad there are other options for guys like me"


That was kind of a snarky remark.


Maybe you don't need it.


Maybe others do


And maybe at one time you did need it.


And maybe not now.




If you were single and leaving your brains on the plane cause you work 50 hours a week and thinking as you do at work is the last thing you want, and now in LA you are getting laid at will and it's all so euphoric.


Then you come back on the second trip and try to meld what you had into your daily living back home, you just might need a boot camp to straighten you out as to reasonable behavior in a foreign land and reasonable expectations.


You are kind of taking the "look at me and my relationship" condescending position ha ha I am married!.


Instead of being great full for your happiness and what I think most guys here want you are kind of flaunting it like it's the norm and it's easy to find a wife and somehow the quarry is undignified.




I see hunting as legitimate as much as you see marriage as legitimate. It’s a lot easier to be a little game hunter than a big game hunter. Plenty of little game to go around.  Some are satisfied with little game from the quarry. Other want a specimen quality catch.


And I dare to assume that one time you were a hunter as well. Or did all your catch descend on a cloud from the heavens above...


Some people see wife worship as legitimate, others are women haters. Most fall somewhere in between.


Some say it takes all kinds to make the world go round. I say it doesn't.


It's just that all these goofy types just happen to be here.


Many if not most just getting in the way.


I see the standard marriage as monotonous drag and unrelenting.


Maybe you have a superior marriage.


Again, being grateful rather than condescending might be the ticket.


I like what FT says that maybe it's just the man and who he is that determines his level of cooperation to make it work. Also what he will settle for. Both he and me will not settle for unattractive, no matter how malleable they are.


Some men are more cooperative to the point of the endless honey do list.


Some want the woman to perform their endless honey do me list.


For those guys the quarry is most valuable, because that is where the spoils may be found. The gems that worships them. Not visa versa or even in a balanced way.


I am not looking for an equal marriage like the femanazi espouse. I wear the pants. Firmly (all possible puns intended). Many US men by osmosis have been compromised to belive that the marriage equation has to be equall in evetlittle way to be right. A politically correct marriage,,, yea right like as in 50% devorce rate and 90% miserable rate.


Men and women are not equal therefore marriages and each person part in the marriage need not be equal.


What you wash and she dries,


Tomorroe she washes and you dry.


But always you do 50% of the dish washing? That is feminist indoctrination.


I am using the extremes here to make my point that as FT says it takes malleability to make it work, bend bend bend...


I don't like to bend that much. I like the chicks bending (all possible puns intended). I like to use the Vaseline, not receive it…


Also remember at one point a potential wife was part of everyone's quarry. Even yours.


So I say thank god for the quarry rather than your implied disdain...


You know I try and help guys with their attitude and explain the differences here versus the US, but I don't imply that being single and in a perpetual hunt is better than being married. Or visa versa. There are people that are happily single and there are people that are happily married and that goes for miserably single and miserably married.


The point is for those so graced with a spouse, those so bendable, that others less graced may find it valuable to know to what length they may have to bend.


Some come here and think they have to bend as they do in the US.


What OP and I are trying to point out is that if you act like a local rather than a gringo you may have to bend very little.


But most Americans have been trained to bend a lot! They may even like it as illustrated by the plethora of gays appearing on network TV!!


In my days in the US it was not natural to bend for men or for women. Maybe things have changed there. Not here!


Isn't that what we are really talking about anyways: that US men bend and bend and bend and their wives bend very little?


Is that not why the majority of people are on this site because they are tired of bending all the time to US women??


Also I have seen at least half of my friends worship their wives and treat her like gold later to disdain and divorce them. Also I see 40% of the rest of the marriages as something I would be miserable in. Way too much bending. Unacceptable completely.


So maybe, who knows, at least for now anyways, you are part of the 10% happily married. God bless you. Hope it remains that way.


Count you blessing rather than puff your chest. There may come a day when you too will no longer disdain the quarry as it was once the well you dipped to quench your thirst... You may have to return to the land of mere mortals…


just saying -

 Quick points to add to AConcepts post here.


1. We are not directing our views at men who are happily married . Obviously they have found what works for them and they went out and got it.  Snarky remarks about "boot camp" and the like, are fruitless jabs for what exactly? To prove that you did not get taken to the cleaners? WE, are happy you didn't, Jeff. Does this negate the point that lots of men who seek foreign wives, actually get taken to the cleaners? Why don't you focus on why we are saying what we are saying?
 
2. For every 50 men that get it right, 500 wont!   WE, are not here to save the souls who don't need saving. You are obviously not one of them. Go ask the men in China how things are changing rapidly between the sexes. It's worse in L.A. ,and it is because they have had a longer run at being exposed to this kind of behavior that we are talking about. If you think that gringoes are viewed favorably by the male masses when you scoop up the hottest women in the area, think again. I wonder how many gringoes are with high class Latin American women who come from a highly educated background and a strong family? I mean real high class, not average class.  This is not normal.  If you do get one, you need to be someone with a little extra going on. Not only would your money have to be verified, but, they would need to see that their class , respects you . Most of them ( high class single women)know that the high class community will have a hard time accepting the normal gringo who is courting one of their own, so it is rare that you will see gringos venturing out into these kind of waters.


Our posts are merely snapshots of why men , today, are being bamboozled. It is not the woman's fault. It's your fault  when you get screwed over, because you allow it. Why is it so hard to understand that simple point?  Some of these women have not even finished the equivalent of  a high school education comparable to that in the States, or Europe, yet, they control certain men. Some make a few shekels more than the person at Burger King, yet, she  controls certain men. Why is that?


The only reasons I can see a person not agreeing with what Benjio originally stated , (and what AC and I are corroborating ) is if you, subscribe to farm tv,  walk around with your little transistor radio in your front pocket, have never traveled outside of a 50 mile radius of your home, and, you have no internet. Conversely, women, have modern day cable, internet, etc. , oh, and friends who have dated a naive, gullible gringo (Almost forgot that one).


 Of course they are men in their home country who do the same thing ,(spend wildly to impress) ,but, this board does not concern itself with native men who live in the country. I mean really, how many of them do you think visit Planet Love for advice when dealing with their counterparts? They should post more often if they do. We post such things because it is true, it is happening as we speak, and ,it will get worse for us . As the next batch of men land on foreign soil seeking love/lust , so it will be that the cycle will start all over again . Thru the process of time, word gets out, and it becomes a common a thought as breathing..... But wait! You don't have to think when you have to breathe.  

[Jeff S]

It wasn't me who brought up the idea of a bootcamp....

You are right about everything you wrote. You should start an agency in Costa Rica to train some of these men how to act when presented with such a strange concept of how to wheel / deal, and still find love in Latin America ,without tapping into your pension...lol

... and yes, I get that you are trying to teach clueless men how to get laid in Latin America. I'm not against that at all. More power to you and to them. I'm only pointing out that a substantial number, perhaps a majority of readers and participants in this board aren't clueless, and aren't trying to figure out how to get laid in Latin America. There are nice, sincere, and happy men both on the Asian and on the Latin side who aren't interested in leaving their lives in the US and Canada, moving to Latin America and banging their brains out with as many young women as they possibly can for the least amount of money possible. The majority of the married guys here on the Latin board who post here regularly are clear examples. Most got out of miserable marriages with their local wives, went south, and found what they were looking for, sincere traditional wives who they could have the kind of marriage with the originally wanted with their first wives. And they did it without turning into Latinos.

[opusone]

It wasn't me who brought up the idea of a bootcamp....


... and yes, I get that you are trying to teach clueless men how to get laid in Latin America. I'm not against that at all. More power to you and to them. I'm only pointing out that a substantial number, perhaps a majority of readers and participants in this board aren't clueless, and aren't trying to figure out how to get laid in Latin America. There are nice, sincere, and happy men both on the Asian and on the Latin side who aren't interested in leaving their lives in the US and Canada, moving to Latin America and banging their brains out with as many young women as they possibly can for the least amount of money possible. The majority of the married guys here on the Latin board who post here regularly are clear examples. Most got out of miserable marriages with their local wives, went south, and found what they were looking for, sincere traditional wives who they could have the kind of marriage with the originally wanted with their first wives. And they did it without turning into Latinos.

Well let's see now,


1. you say "a majority of the readers and participants in this board aren't clueless and aren't trying to figure out how to get laid in Latin America".  Well, would that mean that there is a percentage of men who post on this forum, read the post on this forum from the outside, troll etc. who are in fact, clueless? It is as if you took a poll to find out who is clueless and who is not. How is Google analytics working out these days?  Must be a new feature you found .
2. You say"It is possible that most of the men on this board  got out of miserable marriages , went south and found what they were looking for". That would mean that this does not apply to them right?
3. You say" They did it without turning into latinos". I would hope so. This was useless. You did it , and you're not Asian. Same difference.


* Perhaps you feel that this is not the forum to explain such things , since " most" of the guys on here are happily married, and, the one's that are not , are not interested in having sex with more than one beautiful latina... You can figure that one out. I have no business or concern with what another man has done, is doing, or ,wishes to do in his personal life.


* After you have figured out whether or not the forum should be quarantined to happy talk, and no other forms of debate concerning the fleecing of men who  in fact are searching for love, I urge you to go to Jamie's website(latin-wife.com), look under the "Foreign bride and International Dating heading, and, if you could be patient enough to scroll down and read from subsection "Giving Money"  to  "Not having sex", you would see that it is exactly what we are talking about. Now , if Jamie is the most trusted agency that most of us talk about using on this board, what seems to be the problem when someone echos the same sentiments? Why do you think he mentions this time and time again on his site , or ,when you speak to him? Were you even aware of this, Jeff?Do you have a problem with what are the facts? It's as if you believe there are no lurkers , trolls, or people who signed up but not post on this site. There's more to this board than happily married men, and for those of us who are not married, we don't need to monger to bed women. Some got it, some don't, my friend. When the right one presents herself, then such activities would have ceased . Since you are happily married  and don't have to deal with it, the information you are providing on this topic is pretty much useless.

[Ray]