In Medallo again - love and not so love in 24 hours

[Micky]

HT -

 
" The consensus seems to be if you're looking for genuine people who aren't shallow golddiggers stay the heck out of Medellin.  Let the party animals and sleazeballs have it." - Htown

 
And exactly how much time have you spent in Medellin?   Colombia's most progressive and productive city,  by far!  It has done so BECAUSE of the people here,  not in spite of them.
I have nothing against Cucuta,  you go there and enjoy "Smugglers Paradise",  with all of the GENUINE people.

 
Micky

[htown]

HT -

 
" The consensus seems to be if you're looking for genuine people who aren't shallow golddiggers stay the heck out of Medellin.  Let the party animals and sleazeballs have it." - Htown

 
And exactly how much time have you spent in Medellin?   Colombia's most progressive and productive city,  by far!  It has done so BECAUSE of the people here,  not in spite of them.
I have nothing against Cucuta,  you go there and enjoy "Smugglers Paradise",  with all of the GENUINE people.

 
Micky

Well none actually.  I guess you can tell that I'm speaking from the point of view of someone who's only read what other people have to say as opposed to actually having personal experience.  It's just that at least 50% of what I found on the internet regarding Colombia is all about Medellin.  Very, very little about Bucaramunga or Cucuta.  You can't deny that most seem to say the same things about Medellin, that most of the women there automatically think all gringos are just looking for cheap women and cheap drugs.  I will find out in April up close and personal, but I don't expect to find anything much different from what most people have been reporting back from Medellin.


Damn "smugglers paradise", doesn't sound too iviting.

[fathertime]

   I am 48, and in this moment I look and act youthful and full of energy.   But, all things catch up with time.   It is not wise for me to expect this calculus to remain static over the next 10 - 15 years.  My face could drop, or my hair could fall out, or I could develop health problems, and then I would be in a SEVERE physical mismatch. [size=78%]    [/size]


 

well i doubt your hair will fall out if it hasn't already.  but you are pretty old to be with a 20 year old when there are plenty of 27 year olds... it always comes down to 2 individuals though, so you will have to use your best judgement on that one....since you seem to be acting a little more mature now, your judgement should be improving as well.


Fathertime!

[utopiacowboy]

Well none actually.  I guess you can tell that I'm speaking from the point of view of someone who's only read what other people have to say as opposed to actually having personal experience.  It's just that at least 50% of what I found on the internet regarding Colombia is all about Medellin.  Very, very little about Bucaramunga or Cucuta.  You can't deny that most seem to say the same things about Medellin, that most of the women there automatically think all gringos are just looking for cheap women and cheap drugs.  I will find out in April up close and personal, but I don't expect to find anything much different from what most people have been reporting back from Medellin.


Damn "smugglers paradise", doesn't sound too iviting.

With that attitude, I am sure you're going to have a great time. NOT!

Most of the people reporting about Medellin know absolutely nothing about it and couldn't find their way out of Parque Lleras with a GPS and a street map. Of course it may be nice that the gringos have such a negative attitude about the city - I am sure the Paisas won't miss them for a second!

[htown]

With that attitude, I am sure you're going to have a great time. NOT!

Most of the people reporting about Medellin know absolutely nothing about it and couldn't find their way out of Parque Lleras with a GPS and a street map. Of course it may be nice that the gringos have such a negative attitude about the city - I am sure the Paisas won't miss them for a second!

Well I plan on staying at the youth hostels in lleras for the first couple weeks for some non-stop partying then I'll be looking for an apartment.  I'm looking to spend 360k-540k a month on rent so I probably won't be living around the areas where gringos are commonly found.  We'll see how it goes. 

[Zon]

With that attitude, I am sure you're going to have a great time. NOT!
Most of the people reporting about Medellin know absolutely nothing about it and couldn't find their way out of Parque Lleras with a GPS and a street map. Of course it may be nice that the gringos have such a negative attitude about the city - I am sure the Paisas won't miss them for a second!

Interesting point.   The Backpacker community is a world in, and of, itself.  It does not overlap with this forum.   Parque Llares is a MECCA for backpackers all over the world.  I always meet very interesting people at hostels - a great place to hang out.    In fact, the two most beautiful women I met in Medellin was a girl from Chile and a girl from Austrailia staying at hostals and backpacking.   But, these hostels are mostly filled with young men, taking a prolonged "walk about", and on a very limited budget ... cheap drugs and cheap fun are the order for the day 50% of the time. (Thus, this group is blown off by most "normal people" in Medellin and other modern cities.)

The reputation of Medellin, especially Poblado, is more an EFFECT than a CAUSE.  The reason Parque Llares is filled with pretty girls very eager to talk to an extranero is because that is why they are there - to receive some type of benefit.  Think seagulls at the beach.   The CAUSE of the "problem" is 1) poverty 2) lack of shame 3) Foreigners willing to pay to cram lost years of life and passion into 1 (ONE) weekend.    OUTSIDE El Poblado, Paisas are more cunning than dense, and have a high self worth - they think they are just as good as you, even better. The entire day is made up of a series of transactions, and in every transaction there is a winner and a looser.   It reminds me of working in the garment district of Jewelry industry in New York.  You can tell that there was a LARGE Jewish influence here.  That being said, there are very few Jews in jail, or on welfare!   LOL    Paisas are organized and much more clear thinking than other Colombianos.   

If you are just passing through, than most of the negatives one hears about Medellin will apply.   If you have much time to invest in a place that is very beautiful, with much to do, and you are patient to filter your new conocidos correctly, then Medellin can be a great place.

[Dan Las Vegas]

"It reminds me of working in the garment district of Jewelry industry in New York.  You can tell that there was a LARGE Jewish influence here.  That being said, there are very few Jews in jail, or on welfare!   LOL"
And how exactly did you tell that there was a "LARGE"Jewish influence there?  I'm glad that somehow we amuse you, Obviously you're  an expert on us as well. Any more stereotypes you care to share with us?
 את חיי החברה שלי
Dan LV

[JWR]

Ahhhh never mind.

[Ray]

 
Hey M04,
 
If you wish to leave the forum, why not show a little class and quietly go away.
 
Running amok trashing the whole forum just seems so damn juvenile...
 
 
 
Ray
 

[robert angel]

"It reminds me of working in the garment district of Jewelry industry in New York.  You can tell that there was a LARGE Jewish influence here.  That being said, there are very few Jews in jail, or on welfare!   LOL"
And how exactly did you tell that there was a "LARGE"Jewish influence there?  I'm glad that somehow we amuse you, Obviously you're  an expert on us as well. Any more stereotypes you care to share with us?
 את חיי החברה שלי
Dan LV
 

 
Yea Zon!--How the hell do you think it comes off saying that for some reason you suspect that these guys seen in the Garment and Jewelry District of NYC of NYC are JEWISH?? I was born in Manhattan and never had a clue!! I always thought they were stylish dudes, wearing the next year's coming fashions--that they were 'back in black' for whatever reason!! Now if I saw Sammy Davis Jr., I would've KNOWN he was Jewish.....

[aconcepts]

Calipro seems like a happy go lucky guy living his best life the way he sees fit. Others are angry jealous and just plain mean spirited. They hate life. I call them haters. They have no friends because no one can stand their personality so they desperately cling on to their women who they usually manipulate or find an equally miserable one they can commiserate with. I can imagine them out on a ship, sad with pud in hand disgusted with others happiness and the lack of their own.
 
“most of the times these young women will not directly come out and ask you for money or gifts, this would be considered too intresada, or prepago like; but do not fool yourself they will be expected, she will test you out and see what falls from the tree, this is because you are most likely not the only man in her life, and she most likely has a boyfriend or amigovio.”
 
“The more wealthy girls will use older man to feed their drug/party habits as they do not work, and it is difficult to ask mom and daddy for drug money. Mostly from what I experienced it’s the access to clubs and bars as they get free drugs from “amigovios” and friends if she is pretty enough. “
 
Sounds like New York or LA to me
 
“Colombian males are cheap skates by nature even if they come from good familes, and they will expect sex w/ out a condom if they go and buy a bottle for 70-80 mill and even for the drugs,
 
gringos are easy targets for abuse, as they are more respectful and reserved, and easy with the money.”
 
- at least these statements are equally hateful. An equal opportunity hater.
 
Some have had bad experiences and are downright phobic of Colombians and probably everybody else that differs from them. Have you ever thoughts about hitting on Dr. Laura to partner up? At least she is a doctor in biology or something but you two are equally over opinionated, arrogant, under accomplished and overconfident.
 
Confidence is what you know. Cockiness is what you think you know. If you have to tout your opinion it  means you have to prove it. Ironically to yourself. That makes you cocky, not confident. As opposed to Calipro who is confident. Unaffected. You Mari are affected because your POV is weak internally. You need the ego boost of being right.
 
However being right at the expense of being arrogant and rude and hating is counterproductive. People that push their rightness at these expenses are – well you fill in the blanks… unwise maybe?
 
“It’s kind of sad, mostly because these girls are taught from very early to use these older guys for money to support their families and provide gifts, The sad part is they are so stupid and poor that they feel a sense of accomplishment when they have sucked out 200 or 300 mill from an older man, and do not see it as selling themselves cheaply. “
 
It’s just amazing your level of judgments: Hahahaha – now you have established an established value for sex. You even profess to tell a poor Colombian that she is selling cheap?  So tell us the going price?
 
“Those relationships are mostly for show, some young hot thing to parade around town, the Colombian guys who do this are usually married, have stable lives and have been doing this for years, some are narco’s other just lucky enough to own a business or two, or maybe a visa and job overseas.”
 
Often I have met a few of those types of girls who genuinely fall in love with these guys, as in some cases they were there “first” man, These guys come off as very generous and charming in the beginning, they show care for the families but as they tire and move on it goes downhill, This is the start of a downward spiral of negative relationships and so forth…”
 
Amazing bloviating. You must be sad and lonely. They were “just lucky” to have businesses (maybe they worked their asses off and are enjoying the spoils). And you are just unlucky to be on a ship working you ass off? People that are jealous of others success cannot fathom that anybody could have become wealthy when they have failed.
 
“It is common knowledge that older guys are sought out for their maturity, but this is a 5 year age gap, not 20 or 30.”
 
Thank you DR. Colombo. I will take that to the bank. Its filed and researched because you say so… got it!
 
“Many Colombian women from a young age are taught to use their vaginas as a means of living, either through older boyfriends, or prostitution even the so called normal relationship is a “donde estas la plata” or “where is the money”, and send the money.”
 
Does this not occur in every country and has this not been sanitized by Hollywood values – even if it is unnatural which I am not saying it is unnatural. And has this not been going on since the beginning of time? Because it has happened for thousands of years does it not qualify as natural. Tell me Dr Bloviate… I am hanging on your judgment. Agree with me please. Turn my nightmares into dreams… I need you validations…
 
“how she really wants me for me!!”
 
Speaking of things that have been going on for a long time… how about marrying for status, confort and wealth? Much longer that the realitivly new idea of marrying for intuitive love. I guess possessions, economic mobility, culture, religion, education, civility and all other gained accoutrements do not define “someone (me).” The observation that people should only couple for intuitive love is non-sense. The best long term relationship I know of is that of my Pakistani friends - and it was arranged. They did not know each other and grew to love each other. Maybe long-term relationships happen from intuitive love - but I guess not often.


People couple because they have needs and similarities. High horse opinions of what makes couples “acceptable” is lame. Whatever gets you through the night. Your imposed level of moral judgments is according to you and you only. We all get it, it just that you say it in such an undignified way. Really, who are you and what have you ever done in your life to pontificate with such arrogance and rudeness? Lived in Colombia and got your chick a K1 visa. Wow – accomplished. That slight accomplishment is washed away by you negativity. No wonder you are so snide and loathing. Telling someone that they are 50 and immoral because they date 25 year olds. Please… Is that an ego boost insulting others? Cheap thrills eh?
 
“I guess that’s the new thing proving your GF is no barrio girl and you have a girl who actually chooses to be with you or something like that.”
 
If she did not choose to be with them m-  she would not be with them. She is with them. Therefore she chose to be with them. Reality is what it is. Unarguable.
 
“But there is virtue in understand your influence and the part we play in this larger picture. Sometimes one just needs to grow up, and see’s the world differently.”
 
Now it a shift from Dr Colombo to Dr Buddha. Mari List of Virtues. I can hardly wait for the paperback edition. The e book. I am sure the hard cover is sold out. NYT best seller material for sure.
 
Biology is what it is. Depending on the education and experience, (geez this could be why a younger woman might want to be with an older guy – wow), we act accordingly. Biology, culture, experience and education form us. We do not have the same chemical make up in our 20’s as we do in our 50’s.
 
Obviously Calipro has patients, balance, understanding and tolerance plus personaliy and charm. Things you lack which are very attractive quality. So you disdain him for using those admirable virtues to seek happiness. You speak of maturity… hmmmm
 
Some of us are searching for answers to an enigmatic world. Judgments about who should do what and why being a puritan is better than being hedonistic is amusing at most. Unenlightened at least and relatively useless. That is for each to decide and not for others to judge.
 
People trying to make these judgments for others have not resolved them for themselves. They are reasoning out loud at others expense. Or are looking for an internal ego boost, usually because they are dissatisfied with their level of accomplishments. You on the other hand do so in a most rude way. Only an equally rude and hateful person would want to be on a desert island with you. Whether ones opinions are right or wrong has little to do with ones character. I suggest you think about the plank of wood in your eye before you worry about the speck of dust in Calipro’s eye. I will not comment further.

[Zon]

[size=78%]Obviously Calipro has patients, balance, understanding and tolerance plus personaliy and charm. Things you lack which are very attractive quality. So you disdain him for using those admirable virtues to seek happiness. You speak of maturity… hmmmm[/size]
 
Some of us are searching for answers to an enigmatic world. Judgments about who should do what and why being a puritan is better than being hedonistic is amusing at most. Unenlightened at least and relatively useless. That is for each to decide and not for others to judge.
 
People trying to make these judgments for others have not resolved them for themselves. They are reasoning out loud at others expense. Or are looking for an internal ego boost, usually because they are dissatisfied with their level of accomplishments. You on the other hand do so in a most rude way. Only an equally rude and hateful person would want to be on a desert island with you. Whether ones opinions are right or wrong has little to do with ones character. I suggest you think about the plank of wood in your eye before you worry about the speck of dust in Calipro’s eye. I will not comment further.

Damn boy!  a good piece of writing.


We are all trying to play the hand God dealt us - the best we can.  That is about the size of it.