In Medallo again - love and not so love in 24 hours

[fathertime]

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FT - you fill in too many blanks.  Sometimes you say I emphasize Spanish too much, other times you suggest not enough.   And, I doubt I have ever talked about me "passive income" LOL

zonnowski!
A couple points here.  I don't think you emphasize spanish too much, I do think that you grossly exaggerate your level of spanish though...it appears to me that you are still very low level.


 Now regarding passive income, i brought up that point because I recall a while back when we witch hunting you on your close relationship to the porn industry, that you mentioned that these guys that own the websites were generating XXXXX dollars each month.  I figured you were at least in on that to some degree, since it appeared you were in videos promoting such a thing.  If I recall, the context of the past exchange certainly eluded to that point.     We don't need to revisit that subject though, if you don't have the passive income and ability to really concentrate on bettering your spanish skills, well then that is really too bad, because in your case you probably should REALLY give that aspect of yourself a better effort, since you plan on someday living in colombia! It is way to easy to just give up and say this is as far as I go in this language.  I say keep after it more! 

[Zon]

A couple points here.  I don't think you emphasize spanish too much, I do think that you grossly exaggerate your level of spanish though...it appears to me that you are still very low level.

My Spanish is $hit.  But, I expect it to get better throughout the years.   Much better than a couple of years ago when I thought all I needed to do was learn Estar and Ser, and then I was home free.    I think the important thing is to have enough Spanish be able to get along minimally (which is something I could not do easily a year ago), and perhaps more important, avoid looking like a lazy gringo.  There is already too many negative steriotypes to overcome.

Clear as a bell.

[fathertime]

My Spanish is $hit.  But, I expect it to get better throughout the years.   Much better than a couple of years ago when I thought all I needed to do was learn Estar and Ser, and then I was home free.    I think the important thing is to have enough Spanish be able to get along minimally (which is something I could not do easily a year ago), and perhaps more important, avoid looking like a lazy gringo.  There is already too many negative steriotypes to overcome.

 

 
And M4 brings up a constant truth that in Medellin, especially in Poblado but to some extent everywhere here in Medellin, it is somewhat embarrassing to be gringo because of all the poop.   I have gone out with 7 - 8 girls in Medellin that were not puntas - 0% - 

Well it seems to me that you are wayyyyy to easy on yourself….you have been travelling to Spanish speaking countries for months at a time for how long now? 6 years, or longer?  You should be pissed off at yourself for not being at a much higher level of Spanish.   It is like you expect somebody to install a memory card in your skull or something.   When I see this, I see a guy who has not been serious at all about finding a wife.  It kind of makes me think, that you should not being saying that you are embarrassed because of other gringos behavior!  When you get to Ukraine and find a woman in a few weeks, the suspicion will always exist that Colombia/Domincan Republic was simply a playground.


Well anyway zonny, you will never see the hypocrisy of your ways and will continue to pamper yourself I guess.  Now that you have written off this part of Colombia, good luck in Ukraine, I think you have a legit shot at changing your attitude when you hit that continent!


Fathertime!   

[Zon]

Yes, I have not made as much progress with Spanish that I should have.  BUT, I have made more than most gringos here - and MUCH MORE than most wife hunters.   At the end of the day it is an accomplishment:)

Well anyway zonny, you will never see the hypocrisy of your ways and will continue to pamper yourself I guess.  Now that you have written off this part of Colombia, good luck in Ukraine, I think you have a legit shot at changing your attitude when you hit that continent! 

1, you are right ... when I do things, it feels much more dignified than when I watch, or hear about others doing things. LOL


2, and you are right ... I do expect a better result elsewhere.  But, I do believe Central and South America will be a part of my life forever more.

[fathertime]

Yes, I have not made as much progress with Spanish that I should have.  BUT, I have made more than most gringos here - and MUCH MORE than most wife hunters.   At the end of the day it is an accomplishment:)



1, you are right ... when I do things, it feels much more dignified than when I watch, or hear about others doing things. LOL


2, and you are right ... I do expect a better result elsewhere.  But, I do believe Central and South America will be a part of my life forever more.

Well
1.  the highlighted area was pretty funny!  it appears you are saying that it is ok for you to do some of the questionable things, but if others do it they are an embarrassment to be around!  I guess you are noticing why some might call you a bit hypocritical!


2.  Well I think you will have a better result elsewhere and it will because of your attitude.   Despite a lot of your writings, I get the impression that you never really related well with the Colombian ladies.  Hey you gotta admit that that has been your fault!


Now regarding your advanced    spanish skills, I don't see how you can say that they are better than most of the wife hunters.  It would appear that you are still near the bottom and I seem to remember quite a few of the wife-hunters were at a higher level than that. 


Well anyway, zonsmirnov, hopefully when you enter Ukraine, you have a different level of respect for the ladies, and I'm sure you will.



Fathertime! 

[maritime04]

That’s quite some ego you have their calipro, your super-ego must put in allot of overtime to justify that crap. jajajajaja

My original post must have affected you, to bring on your response. It’s not so much fun when you think WHY I get to date these women is it? I mean you can go the other route and not care, for a long time I could care less about the social environment, and only the results of me getting laid. But then you have shown allot of ego, and machismo lately, so your response is a defensive measure to an attack on your pride, or stating how things are in Colombia. I understand that, I would only suggest that you do not care so much. Who cares what I say, right?
Let’s start off

I disagree with the drugs, where does that leave us, nowhere, it’s my experiences and my personal opinion, those who live there and are on the ground can also give their opinions, or you can read a newspaper or take a walk outside and you will eventually SMELL it…. I stand by what I say because it’s what I saw and smelled, anybody else who’s lived there will agree.
ILLICIT DRUGS!!!! huh, ooooh NO the weed is BAD!!! Jajajajaj you actually sound your age now!! Who needs weed when you can live in your own fantasy land of made up stuff! The only envy I have ever had was toward the crazy people of this world, they are for the most part some of the happiest people on the planet, they believe what they see, despite the fact it’s not real. I wish I could come up with nonsense conclusions and see the world anyway I want too but too my unfourtune I was born with some common sense and the ability to accept some truth.
I was not yanking your chain, he existed we laughed at him, I am laughing at you now, do you get it? “Size a man up”, “pull chics”……….SERIOUSLY you sound like 20 year old now? I do not think you understand the joke, let me fill you in, what you are doing is like bragging that you CAN BREATH AIR??? I breathe the BEST air, see I can exhale the BEST, the air really likes me, cuase of my huge lungs, and I am in really really really good shape so I can push the air in and out better than most. The fact that you are bragging from Cali about sleeping with Colombians AS OPPOSED TO Miami or L.A. SAYS IT ALL BUDDY!!

So now let’s argue some math, first you can travel with 10K USD you simply fill out a form and they take you to a room and count it, END OF STORY it’s THAT SIMPLY ever done it?, I agree with you on the exchange rates, but ATM fees, will KILL YOU though, dude I lived there, please do not talk to me like you would some 20 year old girl you need to impress with your car or apartment so she can fuc you!

In Colombia max per ATM pull out is 800,000 COP and back in 2007 that was only with a few citi bank ATMs.
 Also the COP has been anything but stable, since I was there I have seen 2600 to 1645 exchange rate, many guys were taking advantage of higher exchange rates when the dollar rose, It was very common actually as much as guys running around to pay six months upfront rent in cash, [snip] I saw a dude buy a place with cash taken out of ATM. Large amounts of money for these ex-pats was common also at that time opening a bank out without a cedula was VERY difficult many ex-pats could not do it, and you are correct I am sure he did not know they were watching open his safe, or that they had access to it, that’s why it’s called STEALING; I appreciate you calling me a lair though; it’s not like I was telling you how my 50 year old dad screws coeds for free…..Now that I could understand anyone calling BS

I think you have allot in common with that guy, that’s why I said it. My opinions about Colombia make perfect sense to discuss because that’s the REASON WHY you live the way you do. Do not hate me for pointing this out, just ignore it and carry on.

Although I hate to put some holes in your boat, but your arguments are very weak, if you’re going to come at me do it with something rational, and thought out. NOT nonsense like
“you can pretty much judge a relationship by how big the wet spot is in the bed” seriously you’re having a big boy conversation now dude, do you want me to treat you like a child? ?
 “…which is much harder to find in Colombia (smart women) then a hot chick half my age that enjoys sleeping with me.” Again your ego leaves me at a loss of understanding stupid…..

“It’s too bad that the wife hunters don’t really have much a chance to date without having to jump right into the most costly and challenging part of the relationship”, I hate to break this to you ITS ALSO THE MOST ENJOYABLE PART AS WELL.

Living with my wife and getting to know her has given me some of the best memories of my life. Ok now back to your nonsense. You want us to believe that your life is full of “super hot colombianas” that want to be with you because you are in good shape attractive and provide AWSOME sex”. Ok I get it, delusional but I get it, to each his own right. But I think you know what it’s all about when you say

“the vast majority of 20 year old Colombianos are dirt poor loosers..even if the can manage to dress themselves with any style….99% of them don’t even have a car let alone a kick ass pad to take them to..i hate to break it to you but really hot chicks do not want to picked up in a cab to be taken to a cheap love motel jajajajajaj” I hope I did not leave out any jajaja’s, but it seems like you understand Colombia more then I thought!!!!

You are correct the vast majority of 20 year old Colombians are dirt poor, EXCEPT THE GIRLS THAT SLEEP WITH YOU forgot to mention that….jajajajaja

I hate to break it to your ego but really hot chicks who do not want to be picked up in taxis, and are accustom to having sex in "kick ass" pads are WHORES!!sorry....

Your argument that young women do not want to be with guys their same age is B.S. Colombian males in their 20 are ALL about their style, and i hate to break it too you but the love hotel market is HUGE in Colombia.

Listen man, I have seen guys like you before, it’s what I call the pig in shet! You love Colombia because the vast majority ARE poor and can NOT afford kick ass pads, and cars.This makes you feel important and speacial; You love the culture of sex and drugs, prostitution and its many faces.You think becuase after sex she doesnt come out and ask you for 200 mill means you know how to play the game better than most Colombians? No wonder you go through women soo fast no chicka is going to stay long with "don duro" over there. But i do not think you are in Colombia to devlope long lasting relationships with women. I am getting tired of destroying your rational and weak arguments, I need to call my wife soon, so I will end this the best way I can by saying I am gald I left Colombia, I could have one day become you, some 50 year old looser exploiting poverty and bad social behavior for sex, and worse try to justify it with nonsense about this or that. I wish you the best of life (sex) and leave you with this advice….. wear a condom

[maritime04]

cali pro burning the mid night oil??? its 4am go to bed!!!! what are you doing on plante love at 4am??? throw some insults, looser, pathetic, leaves the bed dry after sex, something like that will do, or you can forget about it live with it and move on with your life....(who really cares why anyway)

[Calipro]

Listen. Left my browser open to planet love all night.  Hate to think of you anxiously
Waiting for my response all night.   Sorry.  Get back wiith you in a few. Don't start thinking that I don't
Care. 

[Calipro]

Look this post of yours is one rambling, rather angry post...so I'm just going to edit out the stuff without substance and the inflammatory comments and respond to the rest.

My original post must have affected you, to bring on your response.

I read your original post and responded with my take on it...I don't post here all that much so if my response made you feel special that is OK...just not sure I would say that it "affected me" in any particular way....but it  seem to be a sincere post from someone that is happy not to be in Colombia.

It’s not so much fun when you think WHY I get to date these women is it?

I don't lose any sleep over it. May December relationships are not the norm here in Colombia but they are literally a 100 times more common there than in the States...with the vast majority of them being between Colombianos....so when in Rome.....
I strive to only hang with people that are trying to maximize their happiness as opposed to people that are trying to minimize their misery.

I disagree with the drugs, where does that leave us, nowhere, it’s my experiences and my personal opinion, those who live there and are on the ground can also give their opinions, or you can read a newspaper or take a walk outside and you will eventually SMELL it…. I stand by what I say because it’s what I saw and smelled, anybody else who’s lived there will agree.

We could go round and round on this forever...so I googled it for ya.


http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/stoned_nation_international_st.php

!!!! huh, ooooh NO the weed is BAD!!! Jajajajaj

I don't want to come off as all high an mighty because I used the word "illicit"....I really don't have a moral opposition to people using pot to feel better...I mean if they need something to get out of a funk...I mean to feel happier than they already feel. Well you get what I trying to say, right?

 I do not think you understand the joke, let me fill you in, what you are doing is like bragging that you CAN BREATH AIR??? I breathe the BEST air, see I can exhale the BEST, the air really likes me, cuase of my huge lungs, and I am in really really really good shape so I can push the air in and out better than most. The fact that you are bragging from Cali about sleeping with Colombians AS OPPOSED TO Miami or L.A. SAYS IT ALL BUDDY!!

    EXHALE !!!!!!!

So now let’s argue some math, first you can travel with 10K USD you simply fill out a  and they take you to a room and count it, END OF STORY it’s THAT SIMPLY ever done it?, I agree with you on the exchange rates, but  fees, will KILL YOU though, dude I lived there, please do not talk to me like you would some 20 year old girl you need to impress with your car or apartment so she can fuc you!

In Colombia max per ATM pull out is 800,000 COP and back in 2007 that was only with a few citi  ATMs.
 Also the COP has been anything but stable, since I was there I have seen 2600 to 1645 exchange rate, many guys were taking advantage of higher exchange rates when the dollar rose, It was very common actually as much as guys running around to pay six months upfront rent in , [snip] I saw a dude buy a place with  taken out of ATM. Large amounts of money for these ex-pats was common also at that time opening a bank out without a cedula was VERY difficult many ex-pats could not do it, and you are correct I am sure he did not know they were watching open his safe, or that they had access to it, that’s why it’s called STEALING; I appreciate you calling me a lair though; it’s not like I was telling you how my 50 year old dad screws coeds for free…..Now that I could understand anyone calling BS

I'm not calling you a liar...but yes I think the story is a bunch of BS.
Nobody in there right mind is going to bring "a huge amount of cash   " on a plane to hoard it in their apartment until the exchange rate moves up...it's just risky and stupid considering the bad exchange rate that the banks  in Colombia give and the fact that you can only exchange a max. of $2500 dollars per month per bank.

Not to mention the fact that the women supposedly had the combination to the safe and only stole a few hundred thousand pesos at a time...why not steal it all at once and cut the conjugal visits?


Most people that want to take advantage of the fluctuations is currency just open a FOREX account. If you open a Charles Schwab investment account you can withdraw money anywhere in the world without ATM fees. I have taken out thousands of dollars in a day with only 4 debit cards....if you want to take out more then open more accounts...it's that simple so your story does not sound believable to me. 


I do find it pretty funny that you bought into such a ridiculous story and hang on to it as the absolute truth. Actually I think you like the story...about how an older gringo got taken by some young colombianas.


I think you are an old gringo hater....LMFAO!!!!


Listen don't feel bad you aren't the first one that I have met. I haven't met many colombian gringo haters but the ones that I have met do have one thing in common...they all live or have lived in the U.S.  So you fit the profile. jajajaja

]Although I hate to put some holes in your boat, but your arguments are very weak, if you’re going to come at me do it with something rational, and thought out. NOT nonsense like    “you can pretty much judge a relationship by how  the wet spot is in the bed” seriously you’re having a big boy conversation now dude, do you want me to treat you like a child? ?

My analogy really bothered you that much?


OK how about if I said you can judge the overall health of a a relationship by how good the sex is.....does that bother you also?

“the vast majority of 20 year old Colombianos are dirt poor loosers..even if the can manage to  themselves with any ….99% of them don’t even have a car let alone a kick ass pad to take them to..i hate to  it to you but really hot chicks do not want to picked up in a cab to be taken to a cheap love motel jajajajajaj”[/font]
 I hope I did not leave out any jajaja’s, but it seems like you understand Colombia more then I thought!!!!

You are correct the vast majority of 20 year old Colombians are dirt poor, EXCEPT THE  THAT SLEEP WITH YOU forgot to mention that….jajajajaja

Over the years I've dated plenty of women that were poor by american standards...they couldn't afford higher education, their family didn't own a car...but if you asked them if they were poor...they would say they were not poor. They all had a decent home and plenty of food and nice but inexpensive clothes and furnishings. The most important thing is that they were happy and optimistic. Really attractive colombianas are a pleasure to be around because the doing better than the average chick in the barrio no matter what walk of  they find themselves in and that is really what you want to shoot for.


I do NOT date and never will date an impoverished women that really lacks food and is worried about paying the rent to keep a roof over her head....I really haven't run into to many of them as I pretty much stick to the best parts of town but they are stressed and depressed and if you ask me dangerous. If a woman shows any signs of being really needy...like ordering more food than she could possibly eat to she can take it home...I run not just walk away from them. I also as a rule don't date women with children.

I hate to  it to your ego but really hot chicks who do not want to be picked up in taxis, and are accustom to having sex in "kick ass" pads are WHORES!!  sorry....

Some chicks really don't care were you take them....but the vast majority of truly stunning chicks do think they deserve something a little better than the rest. The beta colombianos falling all over them does tend to go to their heads....fact of life.

 
Your argument that young women do not want to be with guys their same age is B.S.

I don't think that young women that date older guys absolutely will not date a younger guy....the two are not mutually exclusive...I'm sure most swing both ways. jajaja

[pontiac]

I know Calipro personally and agree with the majority of what he say's and what he has experienced.  Calipro has a positive personality as I do.  I have lived in Colombia and have had similar experiences with the women. I speak Spanish well and it definitely makes a difference comprehending the culture.  I have dated women who never asked me for a dime and the majority were neither rich nor poor.
 
He's also right about the poor Colombiano's who can be very abusive with women.  I have had many Colombian girlfriends over the past several years and I've never seen any of them taking drugs of any kind.
 
I'm not certain what MT's motivation is other than perhaps being jealous of men who enjoy having meaningful relationships. It's obvious to me that MT simply doesn't like Colombia and enjoy's pointing out negativies about other men's lives. 
 
My advice is to enjoy life; it's very short.
 
 

[maritime04]

Now were talking, back for more

Listen. Left my browser open to planet love all night.  Hate to think of you anxiously
Waiting for my response all night.   Sorry.  Get back wiith you in a few. Don't start thinking that I don't
Care. 

   I work nights on ship in the middle of the ocean, and when I am not you won’t hear from me. so what’s your excuse?? Sitting in the USA counting the minutes till you get back to Cali and see your 20 year old girlfriend…

I call things how I see them, these are just my opinions.
 

I'm not certain what MT's motivation is other than perhaps being jealous of men who enjoy having meaningful relationships. It's obvious to me that MT simply doesn't like Colombia and enjoy's pointing out negativies about other men's lives. 

 Who are you to tell me weather I am happy or not about anything from reading a few posts?? I pointed out some negative issues on the culture and life there. I know I hit a never, “OOH now this prik is spoiling my fun, and destroying my “player stud” self-absorbed image.”

“I don't post here all that much”  1846 POSTS IS NOT POSTING HERE THAT MUCH!!!!!

 
 http://colombiareports.com/opinion/gustavo-silva-cano/8328-colombia-the-drug-consumer.html
You can find anything you want on the internet to support anything you say, what I say came from being there, living there going to concerts, visiting the barrios. As you yourself say you stay mostly in the zona Rosa, and higher end places I am really starting to doubt your knowledge and experience about Cali or Colombia NOT women I know you are very well experienced all the things needed to sleep with many many women in Colombia….

I don't want to come off as all high an mighty because I used the word "illicit"....I really don't have a moral opposition to people using pot to feel better...I mean if they need something to get out of a funk...I mean to feel happier than they already feel. Well you get what I trying to say, right?

People do not use pot to feel better; as you have never been high WTF do you know??? Am I wrong to suggest that since you admit to never doing it, you KNOW nothing about it? Again a level of arrogance, I am starting to see a pattern….

I'm not calling you a liar...but yes I think the story is a bunch of BS.
Nobody in there right mind is going to bring "a huge amount of cash   " on a plane to hoard it in their apartment until the exchange rate moves up...it's just risky and stupid considering the bad exchange rate that the banks  in Colombia give and the fact that you can only exchange a max. of $2500 dollars per month per bank.

Not to mention the fact that the women supposedly had the combination to the safe and only stole a few hundred thousand pesos at a time...why not steal it all at once and cut the conjugal visits?

Most people that want to take advantage of the fluctuations is currency just open a FOREX account. If you open a Charles Schwab investment account you can withdraw money anywhere in the world without ATM fees. I have taken out thousands of dollars in a day with only 4 debit cards....if you want to take out more then open more accounts...it's that simple so your story does not sound believable to me. 

I do find it pretty funny that you bought into such a ridiculous story and hang on to it as the absolute truth.

Just because something seems unbelievable to you, does not mean it is impossible and could never happen again this is what normal people would call arrogance. Questioning someone is entirely different then coming out and saying its B.S.

It’s a story you reminded me of you, allot of boasting, and little fact; that’s about it; an absolute truth I do not think in those terms, people who knew this guy knew he was a walking joke.

 
I do not hate anybody; it’s a waste of time, energy. What we are having is an argument dude it’s what happens when grown-ups differ in opinions and views, there is no hatred involved.

I understand how hard it is to act your age, especially considering how you must feel 30 years younger when you step off that plane in Cali.

Wow no you cannot come off saying one childish thing then come back and say you meant it another way for example let me show you, these are two diffrent statments, one is puro pepe, the other talks about the health of a realtionship, if you have trouble talking with adults i suggest some classes or books...

A.      Bottom line is you can pretty much judge a relationship by how big the wet spot is in your bed....
B.      you can judge the overall health of a a relationship by how good the sex is

I agree with you sex is a good part of a relationship, it is not everything and even with the best of sex a relationship or marriage can fail for example, fidelity, intimacy, communication, trust, friendship, love and even finances are just as important as the best of sex, and any marriage can easily fail without paying attention to those issues.
 
some of the things you are saying makes me doubt you, impoverished women, renting houses??? Really I do not know many impoverished people who rent? They normally live in shacks, in barrio populars, you expect me to believe a poor family has the co-singers with bank accounts and property in order to rent out a place?
 
Car owner ship SERIOUSLY I am sorry do you drive in Colombia cause IF SO please pay attention to ALL THE BUSES CARRYING ALL THE IMPOVERISHED PEOPLE which is a majority means of transportation in Colombia, NOT personal cars but taxis, metro and buses!!!

Really attractive Colombians this, super-hot Colombians that, truly stunning chicks there, little obsessed are we? Yes they often do better than ugly women regardless of estrato and I doubt you are with them for their cheery outlook on life. I do not see the point you are trying to make other then you date women who are not poor in a country where the majority of colombianos are dirt poor losers!!

Yes there are plenty of women who think there beauty entitles them to better things in life, and they often find many men willing to give them these, they are called perpagos, and intersadas I am sure you are VERY familiar with them.

I don't think that young women that date older guys absolutely will not date a younger guy....the two are not mutually exclusive...I'm sure most swing both ways. jajaja

yes often young women in Colombia will see the older man for money, gifts, access to clubs and diners at the zona Rosa, then they will often have novios whom are closer their age for a more socially accepted relationship with people they care about and have things in common. What do you NOT understand about that.
Despite whatever cheer leaders you have posting for you these are my opinions, supported with common sense, and simple rational thought. My motivation is simple repeat what I see, and give my personal opinion when asked or in conversation. Or I am indeed so very jealous of your meaning full relationships in Colombia ; so much in fact I got married packed my bags and left Colombia....

Pontiac when you join a conversation have some clue what you are talking about please you sound foolish! I am COLOMBIANO pendejo! And having issues or talking about problems does not mean I do not like Colombia!! As I said before there are many men who enjoy taking advantage of the poverty and all the things negative in Colombia.
 
I never once gave you grief about what you do, I only commented on why it happens
 
Often there is no need to go looking for far off solutions, which do you think is more probable, you are gods gift to women, or some old fool living a dream created by social problems (poverty) in country having trouble handling morals and values.....

[Calipro]

Who are you to tell me weather I am happy or not about anything from reading a few posts?? I pointed out some negative issues on the culture and  there. I know I hit a never, “OOH now this prik is spoiling my , and destroying my “player stud” self-absorbed image.”

Who and or what are you talking about?

If you are talking about pontiac  think he is just a new member that read your posts and called it like he sees it.

“I don't post here all that much”  1846 POSTS IS NOT POSTING HERE THAT MUCH!!!!!

Wow!!! 
Did I forget to put a qualifier on the end of that sentence. jajaja

You'd think that anyone that wasn't suffering from short term memory loss would have realized that I haven't been around much and what I meant. (I hear smoking pot causes memory loss).

But let me spell it out for you....I don't post here all that much N-O-W.

http://colombiareports.com/opinion/gustavo-silva-cano/8328-colombia-the-drug-consumer.html
You can find anything you want  to support anything you say, what I say came from being there, living there going to concerts, visiting the barrios.

So then why don't you find something on the internet that supports your position?

What your link say is this:

The study outlines the dimensions and social characteristics of drug consumption in the country. The results show that 9.1% of Colombians have used illegal drugs at least once in their life, while 2.7% said they had done so in the past year (2007-2008, following the study). This means that there are 541,000-odd Colombians who had consumed illegal drugs recently. For those of you knowledgeable in statistics, the 95% confidence interval for total number of Colombian drug consumers was 468,000 to 614,000. Marijuana is the preferred drug by Colombians (2.3% of them smoke it), followed by cocaine (0.72% of Colombians sniff it).

I don't think anyone will be ever be able to find a study that suggests that only 2.3% of Americans smoke pot!!!! Maybe ten times that many. jajajaja

People do not use pot to feel better; as you have never been high WTF do you know??? Am I wrong to suggest that since you admit to never doing it, you KNOW nothing about it? Again a level of arrogance, I am starting to see a pattern….

?

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say...but if you are saying "am I wrong to suggest that you admit to never using it (pot) "Then, yes, you are wrong because I never mentioned if I have ever smoked pot.

If people don't use pot to feel better than they already feel than what do they use if for?

Does it increase intelligence, strength, endurance, does it calm your nerves or simply help you to feel at one with the universe? LOL!!

 
Just because something seems unbelievable to you, does not mean it is impossible and could never happen again this is what normal people would call arrogance. Questioning someone is entirely different then coming out and saying its B.S.

Most people I know do not believe stories just because they are possible but rather probable....it's OK if you want to tell stupid stories so you can giggle with your friends but if you post that kind of BS here I'm going to check you on it.....so go find that critical thinking cap you left somewhere and put it on because I don't what to read any more fantastic stories repeated from a guy you call a walking joke...jajaja

 

Wow no you cannot  off saying one childish thing then  back and say you meant it another way for example let me show you, these are two diffrent statments, one is puro pepe, the other talks about the health of a realtionship, if you have trouble talking with adults i suggest some classes or books.

?

Is english your first language? If it isn't I want to say your english is still pretty good...but if you can't see that the two sentences have the same meaning than I want to give you a test before I bust your balls. jajaja

Are these to statements the same or different?

I jumped in my wheels and spun on down to the greasy spoon to grab a bite to eat.
I got in my car and went down to the dinner to get something to eat.

some of the things you are saying makes me doubt you, impoverished women, renting houses??? Really I do not know many impoverished people who rent? They normally live in shacks, in barrio populars, you expect me to believe a poor family has the co-singers with bank accounts and property in order to rent out a place?

That's funny because I have been starting to doubt you also...Do you think that property owners in strata 1 and 2 barrios really require co-signers, bank accounts and property before they rent their properties out or do you think the people living there all own their properties outright?

yes often young women in Colombia will see the  , gifts, access to clubs and diners at the zona Rosa, then they will often have novios whom are closer their age for a more socially accepted  with people they care about and have things in common. What do you NOT understand about that.

Listen if 20 something colombianos where all that..... there wouldn't be a million young women in Colombia living with guys that are 10 to 25 years older than themselves. If the ones that are still living at home have a boyfriend on the side who really cares unless you are a wife hunter or paying her way though life or buying her a bunch of stuff all the time. What don't you understand about that? about that?

 when you join a conversation have some clue what you are talking about please you sound foolish! I am COLOMBIANO pendejo! And having issues or talking about problems does not mean I do not like Colombia!! As I said before there are many men who enjoy taking advantage of the poverty and all the things negative in Colombia.

Hey this guy doesn't deserve to be called  foolish and pendejo (stupid ass) just because he had an opinion about your post....he's calling  it like he sees it. I really don't know how long they have been letting you openly insult new members here...but the guy lives in Colombian and I imagine he might have something worth sharing with us. Trying to inhibit him from posting by name  is childish.
The last time I followed this board closely Denise Levy was in a moderated status and I never remember him being anywhere near as disrespectful as you....so yes you come off as an angry person.

You know I have lived years with Colombianas and known hundreds of Colombianos....and I have to say...I've never met one that comes close to you...you sure you weren't adopted because you sure don't seem to be a Colombiano.

[utopiacowboy]

I don't know why everyone rags on Medellin and hates the paisas. Is it their obsession with money? They seem pretty clear-eyed about how the world works and inventive in their ways to make it work for them even when the odds are stacked against them. I notice that even on the web cam sites most of the Colombian chicks showing for dinero are from Medellin. I talk to some of them from time to time - I could care less about seeing their bodies - and the paisa spirit always shines through.

[Zon]

Sorry about the harsh criticism of Paisas - these are generalities.  I have met very very good people here too.  It just takes time, and I think one needs to have their guard up more in Med than in other towns.


Regarding the above:


1, Colombia should be treated as MANY different places, not one.


2, There are Home Games and Away Games.  If a person is travelling to Colombia (briefly and shallowly) to find a wife, then transplant that situation in the USA, that is a HOME GAME.  If a person plans on living a large amount of time in Central / South America and retaining much of the culture in the relationship, that is an AWAY GAME.  They really can not be compared. 


CaliPro plays Away Games.   So, he compares himself to Colombianos.  He is more proper and well balanced in person than his posts suggests.  On this forum he cuts to the heart of things.

[Micky]

UC -
 
Of course I like your post.  From what you had posted before I think that your wife (like my son, a UPBér) lived close to my barrio.  She was in Belen,  somewhat near UPB,  so probably near the quebrades over in the area of Cl 32 and Cr 74.  I am right between Cl 33 and Ave Nutibara,  one block from UPB.
I posted earlier in this thread about the negative views of Medellin.  When I HAVE to go to Bogota (only one more time for my permanent status) and walking through estrato 4/6 and there is gaffiti all over the place.  Not the "art" type,  but the "your mama" type.  You see nothing like that in Medellin.  The Metro,  the cars and the stations are spotless,  always.  That is only because of Paisa pride,  not rules and laws.
I believe that the crux of the negative views of Medellin are that most of the guys that come here spend most,  if not all,  of their time up in Poblado.  Poblado is nice,  very nice,  but much of that is a false picture of Paisaland.  Too many party people,  players of every kind.  Ergo,  they are not meeting the regular Paisa.  Not trying to say that Medellin is without its problems,  but that hanging with players leaves a bad taste and a very false picture of Antioquia.  So they can go to all the second rate cities and enjoy.  (Ok,  I have been brainwashed,  badly!)
 
Micky

[Zon]

Quote = "I believe that the crux of the negative views of Medellin are that most of the guys that come here spend most,  if not all,  of their time up in Poblado.  Poblado is nice,  very nice,  but much of that is a false picture of Paisaland.  Too many party people,  players of every kind.  Ergo,  they are not meeting the regular Paisa.  Not trying to say that Medellin is without its problems,  but that hanging with players leaves a bad taste and a very false picture of Antioquia.  So they can go to all the second rate cities and enjoy.  (Ok,  I have been brainwashed,  badly!)"


Yes!  You do not meet good girls by walking the parques, or malls.  The best way, when you get right down to it, is through introductions and again that takes time.   It is true that most of my opinions of Paisas are a result of just passing through.   But, those impressions contrasts other  experiences around Colombia.


So, I do not mean to be a bad PR agent for Medellin.   I understand that if you spend time, or if you get lucky, this can be a very nice place to live, or find a woman.

[maritime04]

Ok, I see where this is going. I personally do not like being told that because I have some view points, about this or that that I am a heater, or jealous of whatever.  Listen here I found a wife, I lived in Colombia, and I applied for a K-1 visa, and am now in the process of applying for her green card. I realize I am opinionated with my views, and I strongly support them. I have to ask what you have done there. Other than intresadas and prepagos? Exactly how can your player-stud attitude contribute to the main purpose of this board which is finding a wife and bring her to the US? I see your cry for help to the moderators to end this discussion but I have yet to hear you answer the real issues in question. Let me end this for you.
WHAT IS MORE PROBABLE THAT 50 YEAR OLD EX-PAT IS “GODS GIFT TO WOMEN” IN CALI COLOMBIA OR JUST AN OLD FOOL WHEN HE THINKS 20 YEAR OLDS WANT TO BE WITH HIM?
Any answer?

Most people I know do not believe stories just because they are possible but rather probable....it's OK if you want to tell stupid stories so you can giggle with your friends but if you post that kind of BS here I'm going to check you on it.....so go find that critical thinking cap you left somewhere and put it on because I don't what to read any more fantastic stories repeated from a guy you call a walking joke...jajaja

I think you answered the question with your own words…….So to end this part of the discussion go ahead and continue believing Colombia is some fantasy where age does not matter. You can continue to delude yourself that wearing Versace, and working out will wash away all of those years and women will see you as a player-stud and NOT a walking gringo wallet with free tickets to the zona rosa.
Issue number 2 the drugs
OK, man did you read the article or just scan it for anything you can use to win your argument? First I do not trust figures the source of the story is a news agency in English writing about Colombia, their target audience is ex-pats living or want to live there, so anything negative will be lighted up. The theme of the article supports my argument that there is drug use in Colombia, and it is on the rise especially among the younger generation. But you want more OK here you go
http://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/MAM-232508
http://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/CMS-8304560
http://www.agenciadenoticias.unal.edu.co/nc/detalle/article/consumo-de-drogas-en-universidades-un-problema-que-preocupa-en-medellin.html
http://www.mineducacion.gov.co/cvn/1665/w3-article-191995.html
http://www.caracol.com.co/noticias/actualidad/la-marihuana-es-la-droga-de-mayor-consumo-en-colombia-asegura-la-onu/20090625/nota/834908.aspx
 
I never said everyone in Colombia is a drug user; please tell where I said that? I said it was a growing problem and that it is in the culture there especially Medellin. For a long time personal use of drugs was allowed in the country (till 2009).
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/07/world/use-of-drugs-is-legalized-by-colombia.html
When I refer to the culture of this or that, I do not mean everybody is using it, I mean it’s a common to see, or hear or smell it around PERIOD. A few kids in the barrio smoking out in the open does not mean EVERYBODY is smoking weed it but it does stand out and help create a culture that influences others. In addition when I mentioned drugs I was referring to, pills, marijuana, cocaine, and liquor, as I have experienced marijuana and booze are major addictions there.
In regards to the young women using men for drugs, it happens. Especially among older men with younger women (unless were talking about player-stud calipro)
You made a silly comment because you wanted to prove your points, by comparing the United States to Colombia via a statistic, intelligently no comparison can truly be made, Colombia had illegalized personal drug use for many years, Colombia is a major drug trafficking center so its apples and oranges. Nice try though. I do not pay much heed to figures and statistics, but from what I saw in that article is it’s a  growing problem.
If you choose not to see it, or to ignore it that’s your right. I presented my argument and provided some articles(In Spanish by local news) to back it up. (Ships fire wall is preventing me from putting up more or use personal blogs ooh well)
Let’s get to the other issues
Ok, so you do not post much now… huh ok buddy so far it’s been 30 posts since December November it was 61 posts in 120 days, that’s 1 post per 2 days, DOES NOT SEEM TO ME THAT YOU ARE NOT POSTING MUCH NOW in fact you have been an active user for past 3 months. Is that enough spelling for you!!!
This is the problem with having conversations with delusional people, you say whatever you want and believe it.
You make it out like Pontiac is some new member to the forum, which I insulted and am chasing away when in truth this guy is a personal friend of yours who’s been registered since 2007!!!! Yeah newbie in-deed!!!!
You seem to like to miss represent the facts in order to prove a point, I guess you need to be when explaining why all those girls chase you in the malls!!!!
You do not understand what I am saying huh?? Ok why do you not go ahead and REDEAD IT

People do not use pot to feel better; as you have never been high WTF do you know??? Am I wrong to suggest that since you admit to never doing it, you KNOW nothing about it? Again a level of arrogance, I am starting to see a pattern….

Too much for you ok here
1.  People do not use pot to feel better
2.  As you have never smoked weed or any other drug how do you know what it does?
3.  Am I wrong to say since you never smoked it you know nothing about it.
4.  Basically you are arrogant person.
 
In regard to the sex comment use the above method again
 
Yes people who live in estrato 1, 2 generally do not rent, sorry these people are extremely poor and have very little means of paying rent, often they own their own shacks or live with family who does, and I have rented a place in estrato 2 they do require those things. Do you think that people who live in estrato 1-2 have money to build second houses for rental income? SERIOUSLY!!! WOW cap that delusion man.
 

Listen if 20 something colombianos where all that..... there wouldn't be a million young women in Colombia living with guys that are 10 to 25 years older than themselves. If the ones that are still living at home have a boyfriend on the side who really cares unless you are a wife hunter or paying her way though life or buying her a bunch of stuff all the time. What don't you understand about that? about that?

I already told you WHY there are young women in Colombia living with guys that are 25 years older, GO BACK AND READ IT!!! And then ask your self WHY.
Whoa Wait a minute, now were getting somewhere so either you are paying her way through life and buying her stuff or you are a wife-hunter, Is that how you sum much meaning full relationships in Colombia…. whatever happened to dating or being married in Colombia? Or do not think that is possible? I personally would care if my girlfriend was lying to me, it seems you DO NOT! I wouldn’t call the women you see as girlfriends though, prepagos sounds more like it.
Its not that I do not understand what you are saying, its that I DO NOT BUY IT, and call it for what it is B.S.
Let Pontica defend himself or are you his momita too?  Listen man you are getting personal as much as I am, now you go crying to the moderators to help you out, when you should be defending your statements, making your argument and MOVING ON……..it’s not my fault they are weak ass arguments, defended poorly!!

[Micky]

Zon -

I do agree with you that Colombia has many different flavors.  Just about every place has its own vibe going.  Turn back the clock in the industrialized nations and you have the same thing.  Mobility here is nothing like the Western nations.  As you well know,  here a 60 mile trip is more/less double the time what it would be in the U.S..  Not just the physical mobility,  but also the social mobility,  if you were born and raised in Turbo,  odds are you will stay there.
 
I actually like that Colombia has a lot of variety to offer and there are many places that one could choose.  Coast,  mountain,  cool,  hot,  high,  low,  big city,  little town,  for its size,  I do not think that there are many countries that can match Colombia's diversity.  I do believe though,  in the larger cities,  if one stays only in the upscale areas they rob themselves of meeting some very cool people and great experiences.
You know the Colombian saying,  "If you want a party girl,  you go to Cali.  If you want a wife,  you go to Medellin".
I do not think that you are a bad PR agent for Med,  there are just other places that you like and fit you better,  that's not a bad thing.  Nuf said.
 
Micky

[Calipro]

Ok, I see where this is going. I personally do not like being told that because I have some view points, about this or that that I am a heater, or jealous of whatever.  Listen here I found a wife, I lived in Colombia, and I applied for a K-1 visa, and am now in the process of applying for her green card. I realize I am opinionated with my views, and I strongly support them. I have to ask what you have done there. Other than intresadas and prepagos? Exactly how can your player-stud attitude contribute to the main purpose of this board which is finding a wife and bring her to the US? I see your cry for help to the moderators to end this discussion but I have yet to hear you answer the real issues in question. Let me end this for you.
WHAT IS MORE PROBABLE THAT 50 YEAR OLD EX-PAT IS “GODS GIFT TO WOMEN” IN CALI COLOMBIA OR JUST AN OLD FOOL WHEN HE THINKS 20 YEAR OLDS WANT TO BE WITH HIM?
Any answer? I think you answered the question with your own words…….So to end this part of the discussion go ahead and continue believing Colombia is some fantasy where age does not matter. You can continue to delude yourself that wearing Versace, and working out will wash away all of those years and women will see you as a player-stud and NOT a walking gringo wallet with free tickets to the zona rosa.
Issue number 2 the drugs
OK, man did you read the article or just scan it for anything you can use to win your argument? First I do not trust figures the source of the story is a news agency in English writing about Colombia, their target audience is ex-pats living or want to live there, so anything negative will be lighted up. The theme of the article supports my argument that there is drug use in Colombia, and it is on the rise especially among the younger generation. But you want more OK here you go
http://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/MAM-232508
http://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/CMS-8304560
http://www.agenciadenoticias.unal.edu.co/nc/detalle/article/consumo-de-drogas-en-universidades-un-problema-que-preocupa-en-medellin.html
http://www.mineducacion.gov.co/cvn/1665/w3-article-191995.html
http://www.caracol.com.co/noticias/actualidad/la-marihuana-es-la-droga-de-mayor-consumo-en-colombia-asegura-la-onu/20090625/nota/834908.aspx
 
I never said everyone in Colombia is a drug user; please tell where I said that? I said it was a growing problem and that it is in the culture there especially Medellin. For a long time personal use of drugs was allowed in the country (till 2009).
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/07/world/use-of-drugs-is-legalized-by-colombia.html
When I refer to the culture of this or that, I do not mean everybody is using it, I mean it’s a common to see, or hear or smell it around PERIOD. A few kids in the barrio smoking out in the open does not mean EVERYBODY is smoking weed it but it does stand out and help create a culture that influences others. In addition when I mentioned drugs I was referring to, pills, marijuana, cocaine, and liquor, as I have experienced marijuana and booze are major addictions there.
In regards to the young women using men for drugs, it happens. Especially among older men with younger women (unless were talking about player-stud calipro)
You made a silly comment because you wanted to prove your points, by comparing the United States to Colombia via a statistic, intelligently no comparison can truly be made, Colombia had illegalized personal drug use for many years, Colombia is a major drug trafficking center so its apples and oranges. Nice try though. I do not pay much heed to figures and statistics, but from what I saw in that article is it’s a  growing problem.
If you choose not to see it, or to ignore it that’s your right. I presented my argument and provided some articles(In Spanish by local news) to back it up. (Ships fire wall is preventing me from putting up more or use personal blogs ooh well)
Let’s get to the other issues
Ok, so you do not post much now… huh ok buddy so far it’s been 30 posts since December November it was 61 posts in 120 days, that’s 1 post per 2 days, DOES NOT SEEM TO ME THAT YOU ARE NOT POSTING MUCH NOW in fact you have been an active user for past 3 months. Is that enough spelling for you!!!
This is the problem with having conversations with delusional people, you say whatever you want and believe it.
You make it out like Pontiac is some new member to the forum, which I insulted and am chasing away when in truth this guy is a personal friend of yours who’s been registered since 2007!!!! Yeah newbie in-deed!!!!
You seem to like to miss represent the facts in order to prove a point, I guess you need to be when explaining why all those girls chase you in the malls!!!!
You do not understand what I am saying huh?? Ok why do you not go ahead and REDEAD ITToo much for you ok here
1.  People do not use pot to feel better
2.  As you have never smoked weed or any other drug how do you know what it does?
3.  Am I wrong to say since you never smoked it you know nothing about it.
4.  Basically you are arrogant person.
 
In regard to the sex comment use the above method again
 
Yes people who live in estrato 1, 2 generally do not rent, sorry these people are extremely poor and have very little means of paying rent, often they own their own shacks or live with family who does, and I have rented a place in estrato 2 they do require those things. Do you think that people who live in estrato 1-2 have money to build second houses for rental income? SERIOUSLY!!! WOW cap that delusion man.
  I already told you WHY there are young women in Colombia living with guys that are 25 years older, GO BACK AND READ IT!!! And then ask your self WHY.
Whoa Wait a minute, now were getting somewhere so either you are paying her way through life and buying her stuff or you are a wife-hunter, Is that how you sum much meaning full relationships in Colombia…. whatever happened to dating or being married in Colombia? Or do not think that is possible? I personally would care if my girlfriend was lying to me, it seems you DO NOT! I wouldn’t call the women you see as girlfriends though, prepagos sounds more like it.
Its not that I do not understand what you are saying, its that I DO NOT BUY IT, and call it for what it is B.S.
Let Pontica defend himself or are you his momita too?  Listen man you are getting personal as much as I am, now you go crying to the moderators to help you out, when you should be defending your statements, making your argument and MOVING ON……..it’s not my fault they are weak ass arguments, defended poorly!!

Listen, it is becoming increasingly obvious that you do not fully understand what I'm saying when I respond to your posts...could be my writing style but I can't spend all this time trying to clarify everything.


You continually miss characterize me as a stud-player and just don't think of myself in that way....plus you continually bring up interesadas and prepagos...for whatever reason....even though the only thing I have ever written here on the subject is that they should be avoided.


You are so bias against anything I say here.... that there really is no point in continuing any type of dialog with you.

[maritime04]

I think its best we end this, I have made my points as clear as possible, please do not try to imply i am some idoit who can not read english becuase i dissagree with what youha say.Understand that I simply dissagree with what you have to say.
 
I honestly do not think you can tell the diffrence between prepago, intresada, or normal girl. I do not characterize you as a player-stud when i say that i mean it in mocking way. Sorry I know you get laid in Colombia and see many women BUT its Colombia! and that is very simple for any gringo to do there. I would not call any gringo in Colombia a true player or stud PERIOD.

[Zon]

I honestly do not think you can tell the difference between prepago, intresada, or normal girl. I do not characterize you as a player-stud when i say that i mean it in mocking way. Sorry I know you get laid in Colombia and see many women BUT its Colombia! and that is very simple for any gringo to do there. I would not call any gringo in Colombia a true player or stud PERIOD.

I am as guilty as anyone at having fun.    It took me a while to understand the gringo factor, and to separate the BS from the fun and from the sincere.  There is little sincerity in Colombia - but, it is here too.  It just takes time to find.


Anyway, here is an interesting twist for people to ponder.  Earlier up thread I said I have been dating a woman who is too young for me.  It turns out she is 20 and 3 months.  I did not WANT to date her, necessarily.  I have a bunch of women I can go dancing with, and whatever, for the price of a taxi ride, if I chose .... but, I liked this human being, and she liked me.    She is not a poor girl, nor rich girl.  She is studying anthopolgy in college.  In her house she has a large library of books, she is from some Aleman descent.  She plays the violin.  She is not your average Colombiana.  Anyway, just got back from a day trip (still, I have not touched this person inappropriately - zero).   It was an accident.  I feel responsible.  But, we really like each other ... and, for the first time in a long time, I feel old:)   Serves me right.     Anyway, it would be difficult to make this particular match work, even in Colombia - never in the USA.   I am happy I have treated her with respect and delicately. 


Point here is one has to be careful kicking around the possibilities - never know when lighting could strike.

[maritime04]

What is wrong with you that girl is 20 your 47; why would you even go out with her to begin with, puro viejo verde.................

[maritime04]

 
 
Zon
 
Ask yourself this question would you as man and a father of this 20 year old girl accept her seeing a 47 year old man!!
Not a poor girl not a rich girl; then out comes the resume, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE AND FOR WHOM???
 
As to why you need to validate this girl to surprises me, What does it matter if she is poor or rich or collage educated if you have chemistry.
 
I do not understand the point of the post, unless it is somehow proving that 20 year olds WANT to be with you, because they find you attractive desirable and a more appropriate match, all of this is possible but your buddy above once said he believes that which is more probable to be more true.
 
Let’s ask the source, What exactly do you think this girl likes in you? What exactly do you have in common? And other then your apparent social value what exactly do you think you offer her? Does she even speak English? As you admit your Spanish sucks I find intelligent conversation to be difficult!! Is it a “wink wink hee hee”, everything will be ok type of dinner talk?
 
Listen it’s not that I want to give you a hard time it’s that your so full of B.S. you make it impossible not to. First you talk about how you did not want to go out with her BUT YOU DID; successful business man like you does not have the self-discipline to say NO to something that’s obviously inappropriate. You say Average Colombiana like its bad thing, YET your there in Colombia more than willing to take advantage of the opportunities it provides, like dating 20 year olds!
 
The point Zon is your status as a American is going to give you things in life that you do not deserve this does not mean you should not enjoy them, and it does not mean it will last forever. Something to think about, as you ponder this or that

[Zon]

When I was younger (your age), I lived my life on a tight timeline with more discipline and certitude.   Lately, I have been a person who has subscribed to "experiments of living"  ( J S Mills).   I have found that often life is not a straight slowly ascending line for most people, it has peaks and valleys and surprises.

As to answer some of your points ...

- why spend time with the girl in the first place?   
I am tired of puntas and interasdas.  What is the harm of going to a parque, or movie, or restaurant.   I have not pressured her in any way physically, nor will I .    Things progressed, and surprised me.  I have handled them, and will continue to handle them in a way that is in the woman's best interest. 

- Need to Validate? 

Sharing different experiences here FOR THE PURPOSES OF contributing or contrasting with others, requires supplying such characteristics. 

- What I am trying to prove?   

Nothing.  This post hardly is complimentary, it is self deprecating.  But, it has been true, and a surprising accident.

- Age. 

Always key point.   To find a compatible life partner, I will seek a woman more mature and older because it is correct, naturally.   But, I do not seek a life partner with every breath I take.  Over the last two weeks while in Medellin, I have dated a 30 year old woman from Australia, a 24 year old American girl (who was much younger and heee heee, wink wink than the Paisa who turns out to be the subject of this post).

It is possible and has become normal for me - and others - to spend time with younger women.   And, in my case, these are not the garden variety sex for money transactions that you constantly assume everybody here who is not a wife hunter is guilty of.   But, you are correct, these relationships would be doomed in the beginning if in the USA, much more workable in Colombia.

[Calipro]

Zon


Don't let anyone put you on a guilt trip for dating 20 something women in Colombia because 99.999999% of the 48 year old's dating 20 year old's in Colombia are COLOMBIANOS!!!!!


I don't know if you know it...... but my girlfriend that lived with me in Cali for a year and a half was 20 when she moved in....her father was six months younger than me and never said a thing about it. In fact the whole family was fine with it...typical colombian mentality.....familiarity breeds acceptance and there is just too much of that stuff gong on for anyone to hold it against you just because you are american.


I know you have heard that my ex accused me of getting her pregnant three months after she moved out though the  grape vine but let me tell you the rest of the story.


Ex calls me one day and tells me that she is pregnant and the child is mine....I tell her that's one hell of a coincidence since we have been split up for months....she says well it's yours....I say fine I'll do a DNA test after the baby is born and she says fine.


She calls me up all that time telling me how the pregnancy is doing and tells everyone in her family that the baby is mine...I still have my doubts but start thinking wow!!! If she is BSing me...she is really BSing her whole damn family as well...when I stoped by from time to time all of her family would say I was the father.  So I start believing well maybe.


One night I was out partying in Menga and my cell starts ringing off the hook and it is my ex crying and balling her eyes out because one of her friends saw me out with another chick in the club and called her. I mean she is practically hysterical crying and telling me what a bastard I am for going out partying with women while she is home pregnant with my kid. I mean she really laid the guilt trip on...I felt so bad the next day I took her out and bought a bed and all kinds of stuff for the baby because I was thinking who in their right mind would pull such a stunt unless the baby was really and truly mine.


Well 9 months passes since I figured we last had sex and no baby...10 months no baby...at almost 11 months the baby is born a full 10 months or more after she moved out.....I'm thinking what a bunch of BS...there is noway that kid is mine...I won't even have to do a DNA test.


Guess what...she still insists the baby is mine....that it was just late...can not seem to convince her that babies do come out 2 months late (well at least I have never heard of such a thing)....so I finally say OK...let's do a DNA test...she says OK.


Do the DNA test and the child has zero probability of being mine...call her up and tell her the news and tell her how to check the results online. Asked her who the father is and she says someone that she doesn't have contact with anymore and then says she can't talk right now and hangs up.


Sends me an email a couple days later telling me that she had been raped and knows she should have told me the truth but was so fearful of what her family would say that she told them all that I was the father and so she had to tell me the lie also. Nice huh!!


Well I called her and told her that she has to come clean with her family and she said OK don't worry about it...she already told them and they already know that I'm not the father.


Four months later I'm walking through Chipi mall after having lunch with a couple of retired gringos that live in Cali and I hear someone calling my name....I turn around and it's my ex's mother and father...they start asking me what is going on...and I said about what...why haven't you come to see the baby....I said because the baby isn't mine that's why.


I ask don't you know who the real father is and they say it's me!! I said no it isn't....didn't your daughter tell you about the DNA test and they said "no" and I tell them that we did one and the results show the baby is NOT mine. I ask her mother if she wants to see the results and she says 'no'...we are going to have to do another DNA test....I say the baby was born a full 10 months after your daughter moved out....didn't you think the baby might not be mine....and her mother says 'no' because her daughter says the baby is mine and she wouldn't lie to her about something like that.....and I said well she did.....I said do you want to see the email she sent me admitting that the baby was not mine....then her father buts in and looks me straight in the eye and asks me are you absolutely sure the baby is not yours....I looked at him and said you know me....if that baby was mine I'd be taking care of it.


Her mother started crying so hard she even started to make me cry....she kept saying that the baby has to have a father....who is the father? and I tell her I don't know.


I'll tell you all, the real father of that baby doesn't give a flying fuc about that girl or the baby.


Zon, I know you well enough to know that you are a 10 times better person than the average Colombiano and a 1000 times better than the worst.....don't ever let anyone tell you that you are not. Or that you are some how taking advantage of 20 something colombianas....best thing that could happen to 99% of them is if they hooked up with you...don't let anyone tell you otherwise.