Moral Dilemma?

[Fuzzyone]

>>What is the point of challenging someone's foundational belief?<<

The point? Well, this is a discussion forum. Civil exchange of ideas and experiences is the hallmark of our existence. Challenging beliefs is rather part and parcel to what we are all about. THAT is the point.

>>If you like American women, that's fine.<<

Speaking in broad generalities - yes, I do like America women. In fact, I like women of all nationalities. Having said that, there are certainly *some* American women I don't like very much - and some German women (I lived there for a while) and some Taiwanese women I don't care for (lived there for a while too), and even some Indian women who turn me off (yes, lived there a short time as well).

>>The only reason to look abroad that makes any sense to me is if you think foreign women are better than American women.<<

While that may be the only reason making sense to you, yours is not the only voice of experience here. There are some who did not travel overseas with the explicit purpose of finding a partner. Some were in the military or employed by a company on an expat assignment and their meeting/marriage to a foreign partner was as happenstance as the guy who meets his future wife in the local pub. The simple fact of the matter is that only *some* of our members set out on a mission to find a partner overseas and some small subset of those were primarily motivated (like you) by their zealous anti-feminist views.

- Dan

  So I have been sitting here waiting to hear what these foundational beliefs I keep hearing about? Please let me know I am interested!

[V_Man]

BTW - as you hail from Australia, what is wrong with your local women??

As I have said on here before Australian women are beautiful. People on here rave about how beautiful Colombia woman look. Well just between us, it's nothing. Not compared to here. If I hadn't dated a Colombian woman here and was only going based on the pictures on CC or on the streets in Colombia then I'd be wondering what the big deal was. Walk around my city in Australia and you'll see what I mean.

The pictures you are pointing to in the bikini contest. Those are normal women here. They are everywhere.

There are some caveats to that though.
(a) Women here tend to be one thing or other. They tend to be beautiful or at least reasonable or else just horrible. Really horrible looking. Obese. My city has a very high percentage of the good looking ones. Other places not so much.

(b) I am only talking about external looks.

You question was "...what is wrong with your local women?".
Well it is definately not their looks. I have dated plenty of smoking hot women here. In fact I've never dated a woman that was not above average in looks. It's easy. Well it's easy for me anyway.

Also they tend to be "down to earth". I mean they have the same relaxed culture that I have. At least initally anyway. If you ever come to Australia you will find the people have a certain relaxed, friendly attitude. This obviously includes the women.

Also it's not their reluctance to have sex. Forth date, Third date, 2nd date, first date. Whatever. It usually wont be long. The very first time I went to a bar here, I hooked up and did the wild thing. I thought to myself. I like this city.

I have dated plenty and I would date them again. It's easy for me to find dates here and so why not? Just in case I find a gem. However I am not expecting to find that gem locally any time soon.

You find out what is wrong with them when you try to have a long term relationship with them.

Usually when I am my normal charitable self I explain it by hinting at it like this:
Ask your average Aussie woman over 30 what she wants in life.
Usually they don't know.
If they say they want to be happy ask them how can they have happiness in life.
They don't know.
Sometimes they tell you one thing, but you explore that thing a little and you realise they just picked something so they don't look stupid. They really don't know.
If they don't know at 30+ then chances are they are never going to know.
Why does this matter?
It matters because that feminist woman that does not know what she wants out of life is going to make it your problem if you marry her. I absolutely guarantee it.
That wouldn't be so bad except that she will use the laws here to screw your life up good and proper through no fault of your own.

There is a reason that good looking woman in still single in her 30s.

It's a risk thing.

I could expand on this a great deal because I have spent a lot of time thinking about it. I have dated plenty of women here. As I say, they often look great. Get to know them really well and all sorts of warning bells start ringing. Hopefully before you've got in too deep. I have lots of male and female friends. I know about their lives.

Cross cultural relationships are common here. At least in my city. I have dated almost as many women from other countries than I have of my own country. So I have something to compare with. Personally and in talking with other men.

If you just want to shag around. No problem. If you want a lasting relationship. Western women = big problem (eventually).

Then the other problem is a rewards thing.

The other problem is that the vast majority of western women haven't stopped to think about what they bring to the table. I am fit, happy, healthy. I earn good money. I have a house, etc. I do all my own house work and everything else domestic. I have since I was 14. I am a good cook. Etc etc etc. A housewife is worse than useless to me. I don't need her income. Therefore what is she bringing to the table? She will bring somethings but she will also bring some negatives. I have to weigh this up with what is available elsewhere or simply staying single. Both viable options for me.

So you see it really comes down to a risk/rewards sort of thing. Except being that it is about love, you can't actually measure it.

I could expand on this a great deal. In the end it comes down to one word: "...what is wrong with your local women?"

Feminsm.

[JimD]

V_man I'm not drawn to the lilly white girls so what about the Aboriginal chicas there, any potential?

[mambocowboy]

As I have said on here before Australian women are beautiful. People on here rave about how beautiful Colombia woman look. Well just between us, it's nothing. Not compared to here. If I hadn't dated a Colombian woman here and was only going based on the pictures on CC or on the streets in Colombia then I'd be wondering what the big deal was. Walk around my city in Australia and you'll see what I mean.

The pictures you are pointing to in the bikini contest. Those are normal women here. They are everywhere.

There are some caveats to that though.
(a) Women here tend to be one thing or other. They tend to be beautiful or at least reasonable or else just horrible. Really horrible looking. Obese. My city has a very high percentage of the good looking ones. Other places not so much.

(b) I am only talking about external looks.

You question was "...what is wrong with your local women?".
Well it is definately not their looks. I have dated plenty of smoking hot women here. In fact I've never dated a woman that was not above average in looks. It's easy. Well it's easy for me anyway.

Also they tend to be "down to earth". I mean they have the same relaxed culture that I have. At least initally anyway. If you ever come to Australia you will find the people have a certain relaxed, friendly attitude. This obviously includes the women.

Also it's not their reluctance to have sex. Forth date, Third date, 2nd date, first date. Whatever. It usually wont be long. The very first time I went to a bar here, I hooked up and did the wild thing. I thought to myself. I like this city.

I have dated plenty and I would date them again. It's easy for me to find dates here and so why not? Just in case I find a gem. However I am not expecting to find that gem locally any time soon.

You find out what is wrong with them when you try to have a long term relationship with them.

Usually when I am my normal charitable self I explain it by hinting at it like this:
Ask your average Aussie woman over 30 what she wants in life.
Usually they don't know.
If they say they want to be happy ask them how can they have happiness in life.
They don't know.
Sometimes they tell you one thing, but you explore that thing a little and you realise they just picked something so they don't look stupid. They really don't know.
If they don't know at 30+ then chances are they are never going to know.
Why does this matter?
It matters because that feminist woman that does not know what she wants out of life is going to make it your problem if you marry her. I absolutely guarantee it.
That wouldn't be so bad except that she will use the laws here to screw your life up good and proper through no fault of your own.

There is a reason that good looking woman in still single in her 30s.

It's a risk thing.

I could expand on this a great deal because I have spent a lot of time thinking about it. I have dated plenty of women here. As I say, they often look great. Get to know them really well and all sorts of warning bells start ringing. Hopefully before you've got in too deep. I have lots of male and female friends. I know about their lives.

Cross cultural relationships are common here. At least in my city. I have dated almost as many women from other countries than I have of my own country. So I have something to compare with. Personally and in talking with other men.

If you just want to shag around. No problem. If you want a lasting relationship. Western women = big problem (eventually).

Then the other problem is a rewards thing.

The other problem is that the vast majority of western women haven't stopped to think about what they bring to the table. I am fit, happy, healthy. I earn good money. I have a house, etc. I do all my own house work and everything else domestic. I have since I was 14. I am a good cook. Etc etc etc. A housewife is worse than useless to me. I don't need her income. Therefore what is she bringing to the table? She will bring somethings but she will also bring some negatives. I have to weigh this up with what is available elsewhere or simply staying single. Both viable options for me.

So you see it really comes down to a risk/rewards sort of thing. Except being that it is about love, you can't actually measure it.

I could expand on this a great deal. In the end it comes down to one word: "...what is wrong with your local women?"

Feminsm.

The above could apply to women in Southern California too...

[Gato4Astrid]

Usually when I am my normal charitable self I explain it by hinting at it like this:Ask your average Aussie woman over 30 what she wants in life.Usually they don't know.If they say they want to be happy ask them how can they have happiness in life.They don't know.

And you think average Colombian women over 30 knew what they want in life ??

[Fuzzyone]

  So JimD what are these foundational beliefs I see everyone talking about here?

[Bob_S]

The above could apply to women in Southern California too...

+1.

I was thinkin', Da-yum.  He's talking about the West Coast!

[JimD]

  So JimD what are these foundational beliefs I see everyone talking about here?

That wasn't me Fuzzy that was Dan.

[Fuzzyone]

That wasn't me Fuzzy that was Dan.

  sorry jim!

[V_Man]

The above could apply to women in Southern California too...

Yes quite similar in my experience.

V_man I'm not drawn to the lilly white girls so what about the Aboriginal chicas there, any potential?

That depends if you like ugly women or not.
Any way you'd struggle to find them in any place you'd be willing to travel to.

Compared to many places, Australia is very white. However there are small numbers of women from every race. I wouldn't say Australians are lilly white. We get a lot of sun here.

And you think average Colombian women over 30 knew what they want in life?

I don't know. The ones I haved dated know the main things that they want in life. I imagine they are not average. I don't care because there are plenty of non average for me to choose from. I weeded out the others.
Any way this only highlights a symptom. I have found it a quick way to unearth the heart of the problem. I hope you grasped my point. Everyone else seemed to get it.