It is a double edged sword

[maritime04]

The same can be said of prison huh, I think in prison its more survival, finding happiness has [snip] to do with prison, it’s trying to make it day to day without some gangster stepping up to you. Great book good read.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Inside.html?id=xRebh44AYucC
Going back to Zon nonsense (opinions)

But, it is damn boring by comparison - in my opinion.  You can go to a "concert" but the place clears out by 11:00 PM.  You can go to a club to listen to a band, but the place is disproportionately filled with older, people eating waaaay too much, 7 guys for every woman (and to be honest, I rarely see woman that are worth a flip physically in this area compared to Colombia)   Then, you have to worry about getting home without getting a DUI if you drank over 4 beers.  Or, if you leave your car in the lot, it is towed in the morning when you return.  And, after you pick it up and pay 140, you can get a ticket for not wearing a seat belt.  True story.  I am not saying that all this is unique to the USA.  I am just saying things have gotten way to organized!

I do not BUY it, sorry. You have every right to live anywhere you want, why do you even have to justify it to anyone? But since you brought it up your points are foolish…
1.  All the concerts and clubs end at 11PM?
2.  Clubs are filled with older people that are too fat?
Sorry man if it bothers you to party with people YOUR AGE…….clubs are genera and age specific, IE people looking to listen to hard rock do not go to salsa clubs.....45 year old guys do not go trying to hit on coeds at the landings in Jacksonville SORRY…
3.  7 guys to 1 girl, and they are all ugly…
Seriously going to tell me ALL the women in the US are ugly? All the women in Tampa? What are we really talking about here Zon…
The DUI issue, you know what I can understand you, and honestly say DO NOT go back to Colombia thinking transito is not taking that problem seriously they are.
1.  4 years of prison for trying to bribe a transito officer
2.  DUI checks are increasing, and they will tow your car (a slap on the wrist compared to USA)
I also have to say this is has allot to do with what I am talking about. You think it’s great that in Colombia they let you drive totally [snip]-faced? And if they catch you it’s an easy 50 dollar bribe and you go on your way? Not like in the US, well Zon, I hate to tell you this but those laws are meant to save lives and prevent people from driving while not just intoxicated but unable to do so. Colombia is having this debate because of the huge amount of accidents and fatalities on the road, regardless of how these laws inconvenience you they help keep people safe.

[JimD]

If you want to go to extremes then you might want to compare jail in Colombia versus jail in America.  Where would you like to be?

I have visited someone in jail in Colombia and if I were to answer the question above my answer would be Colombia hands down. One reason, inmates can have their wife, girlfriend or a prostitute visit for sex on Sundays.  Another is that you can buy all kinds of privilages if you want to spend the money.

[innerperson]

I have visited someone in jail in Colombia and if I were to answer the question above my answer would be Colombia hands down. One reason, inmates can have their wife, girlfriend or a prostitute visit for sex on Sundays.  Another is that you can buy all kinds of privilages if you want to spend the money.

lol  I hope you will have enough money to make your stay in a Colombian jail a good one if the need ever arises.  I can only imagine what it would be like if you ran out.

[Zon]

 

You think it’s great that in Colombia they let you drive totally [snip]-faced? And if they catch you it’s an easy 50 dollar bribe and you go on your way? Not like in the US, well Zon, I hate to tell you this but those laws are meant to save lives and prevent people from driving while not just intoxicated but unable to do so.

No, I do not thing it is cool to drive sh$itfaced - and the Mother's Against Drunk Driving may have been well intentioned (just like bleeding heart liberals).  I think driving while just a little dizzy is OK - hahaha.   

Seriously, things have changed a huge amount socially over the last 20 - 30 years ... and not for the better in my opinion.  TOO MUCH ORGANIZATION.  TO MANY SMALL RULES.  TOO FEW WHEALS GET GREASED. So we have a home, where most people have to order lunch by saying # 1 or #2, and the ability to form independent judgement for clerks, mid-level managers, and policemen are gone - NANNY STATE    Most people form judgments based on brands and group identification - BMW; PORSCHE, GATORS, TIGERS, RICH SIDE, POOR SIDE, OLD, YOUNG. TEA PARTY, OCCUPIERS  I am just sayin'

I started this thread because I was speaking with a couple of guys like me that have lived the majority of time somewhere else, and we are in the USA for the holiday / trade show season.  We all felt the same way, so I decided to commiserate:)

[aconcepts]

I'll take prison in Costa Rica any day. And no my money is not going to run out. You want a place that you cannot buy luxuries in prison and you have to work or you do not drink or eat - then go to prison in Cuba. You don't want that.
 
BTW I live for the adoration from the PL peanut gallery... How would I define myself without it! Be frickin lost without these symbols on my screen. I'd have to go the way of the Bohdi tree and a big does of smack...
 
On my gravestaone write - "he was adored by the PL peanut gallery" - yeah that about sums up my life!
 
Life in the US sucks. Big mother big brother, little freedom, endless advertisment and consumerism. The illusion of police protection. I don't want any phoney police protection. I got my caretaker, my 4 dogs, my guns, my knowledge and experience plus a couple other little tricks.
 
The police here can't/don't protect you anyways. They just changed the drunk driving laws to be more severe like impound your car.
 
Imuch perfer the old laws. I like the freedom to do what I want. And yes if I am killed by a drunk driver so what. I am going to die BFD.
 
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The amount of fun and feedom here in CR makes the US pale in comparrison. I perfer living with Latinos eventhough they are more dysfunctional. At least they are much more genuine and in my part of the woods humble than anywhere I have been in the US.
 
Plus in Costa Rica, as I would assume opposed to Colombia, we are a small country and its easy to plug in to the upper eschelon when a favor is urgent. That is if you are a local with some pull, cash and understand how to get things done.

[maritime04]

(BTW, in that thread I did notice that you excused yourself, however, without any response to the fact that you came on awfully strong on the single issue that you simple cannot know - age.  At 31ish, you are 5 years removed from graduate school, or your first professional job.  You probably have not been married, or divorced.  You probably have not raised a child.  NOTHING WRONG with any of that, of course. It just is what it is)

You may feel civilized laws inhibit your ability to “live in the moment” but they keep the public safe…
Too many small rules…you have never tried to get a cedula before have you? You have never stood in a huge ass line in Colombia, or dealt with any of the buercratic infustructure? Never tried to rent an apartment legally (not from English speakers)? Purchased a car? Used EPS? Ability to form judgment??? WOW
Your observations are more tourists in nature then you want to admit. No Zon those of us who have actually made Colombia our home, can very much educate you on the “small rules” of Colombia and timely efficient fashion things get done…
 
Wheels being greased…I guess you think it’s OK for people to be soooooooo underpaid that they look for handouts.

[maritime04]

Dude why the RANT, here let me sum it up for you
 
Life in US sucks, becuase my money does not make me special ( too many people with equal or more)...
 
I love CR, becuase here i am a somebody, and i do what my money can buy me (90% of everybody eles is dirt poor)...
 
Dude see the diffrence, no need for the blah...blah...blah...blah...blah

[aconcepts]

Using similar logic Mari - my advice to you is "why post at all?"
 
You bring nothing to the table but angst and discontent.
 
Appropriate for a rebellious teenager. Sad if you are more than 19.
 
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[Zon]

You may feel civilized laws inhibit your ability to “live in the moment” but they keep the public safe…

I voted for Obama, and I am sorry. 

I prefer a more individualistic approach to government and economics. I have found that living in a world that is almost always unpredictable, and where one's actions brings consequences, can be sobering and liberating.   I know it is not for everyone.   I know that the "greater public good" is achieved in a highly organized society with many rules. I fear I may end up in such a place in 50 frickin years - a nursing home.

[maritime04]

I noticed you did not argue my point at all...
 
What do you bring to the table?
1.I have lived in a latin country for more then 6 years
2.visted more then a few latin countries
3. dated and womenized my fare share of latin women
4. applied for and entered my women with a K-1 visa
 
This fourm currently exists to assist guys in finding and relocating their fiancee or wife to USA, It deals with agencys, travel issues, culture shock, ect.... HOW EXACTLY AM I NOT QUALIFIED? i think i can bring a feast to the table, where i guy like you is lucky to serve the water...

[Zon]

We have two separate threads overlapping.  Earlier in the day, I wrote ... "Regardless of your considerable experience and heritage, your cup is less than half full of the perspective only AGE can bring.  (don't be pissed, be happy)  When I was 31, I was an AA to congressman and thought I had the whole world by the short hairs.  This entire site would have been utter and total nonsense to me at the time.

ON EVERY OTHER ISSUE, I do not question your qualifications - in fact, I would like to read more of what you would have to say."

Just to be crystal clear, and not make a habit out of argumentation:

1, You dislike my opinion that the majority of wifehunters are emotionally needy, with little social skills, and an almost universal tendency to hunt way out of their league.

2, You disagree with my observations that social gender roles are different in Latin America versus the USA.  (Or, perhaps you just are primarily focused on the CAUSE of the difference - which clearly is to the disadvantage of females in Latin America.  In either case, you seem to advocate that this apparent fact is an unethical handicap that American men benefit from when dating a woman in Latin America- I think?)

3, You disagree that age is viewed different socially in Latin America than the USA. And, you seemingly are greatly offended that I would state that a 45 - 60 year old AM that keeps in physical shape and is current with fashion trends and is socially capable, would  feel 10 years younger in Colombia than the USA.  (The stubborn fact that you are only 31 years of age, notwithstanding).

Is there anything else?

[Fuzzyone]

We have two separate threads overlapping.  Earlier in the day, I wrote ... "Regardless of your considerable experience and heritage, your cup is less than half full of the perspective only AGE can bring.  (don't be pissed, be happy)  When I was 31, I was an AA to congressman and thought I had the whole world by the short hairs.  This entire site would have been utter and total nonsense to me at the time.

ON EVERY OTHER ISSUE, I do not question your qualifications - in fact, I would like to read more of what you would have to say."

Just to be crystal clear, and not make a habit out of argumentation:

1, You dislike my opinion that the majority of wifehunters are emotionally needy, with little social skills, and an almost universal tendency to hunt way out of their league.

2, You disagree with my observations that social gender roles are different in Latin America versus the USA.  (Or, perhaps you just are primarily focused on the CAUSE of the difference - which clearly is to the disadvantage of females in Latin America.  In either case, you seem to advocate that this apparent fact is an unethical handicap that American men benefit from when dating a woman in Latin America- I think?)

3, You disagree that age is viewed different socially in Latin America than the USA. And, you seemingly are greatly offended that I would state that a 45 - 60 year old AM that keeps in physical shape and is current with fashion trends and is socially capable, would  feel 10 years younger in Colombia than the USA.  (The stubborn fact that you are only 31 years of age, notwithstanding).

Is there anything else?

   Once again you stick your foot in your mouth about guys who are actually going to S.A. to find a wife are emotionally needy, What does that make you? If you really look at the whole picture you go to Colombia and date a pro whats wrong with that picture? You might as well stayed in Florida and dated pros and porn girls. Seems to me you might have a self esteem issue, most guys that date pros have emotional issues, in fact would you not agree a majority of men who go out with pros have issues? Think about it Zon a pro will tell you anything you want to hear while most woman who do not work that angle will tell you one day when they find out you have issues what kind of man you are right? I think it is afraid of being rejected. Is that why you stick around here, just can't stand the thought that some men here reject your warped thinking?


  Show me a man who thinks he is far and above everyone else. I will show you a man who has failed at most of what he does.

[Zon]

Think about it Zon a pro will tell you anything you want to hear while most woman who do not work that angle will tell you one day when they find out you have issues what kind of man you are right? I think it is afraid of being rejected. Is that why you stick around here, just can't stand the thought that some men here reject your warped thinking?

Look!  I am not making this up because I want to.  I don't get my jollies on saying - hey look there is a guy with a beer belly that can't salsa!  LOL  This unflattering observation has been my contention for years.  It started with my first trip to the DR, then was re-enforced on my second.  And then I went to Costa Rica for a week.  Afterward, I lived in Cali for 8 months, and was very close to several agencies and their paid staff of translators - and obviously I got to know the more popular girls because I lived in the city and we bumped into each other frequently.

During this time, I saw American guys come down, or a "romance tour" take place in all its glory.   Importantly, I also witnessed how the caste of characters where positioned before and after.  I saw the real sterio-types and presumptions at work.  I developed longer term relationships, and as a consequence received a different impression than most of the passers bye. I saw a different score. Thus, my opinions are cast in stone.  (in the past, I have posted at length citing examples and he said / she said cases that demonstrate this ad infinitum)

What?!?!?  Do you want me to change because it seems rude? It may be easy to read this as I am some A$$hole that thinks he is better than the next guy ... but, to conclude this misses my point entirely.   

[innerperson]

   Once again you stick your foot in your mouth about guys who are actually going to S.A. to find a wife are emotionally needy, What does that make you? If you really look at the whole picture you go to Colombia and date a pro whats wrong with that picture? You might as well stayed in Florida and dated pros and porn girls. Seems to me you might have a self esteem issue, most guys that date pros have emotional issues, in fact would you not agree a majority of men who go out with pros have issues? Think about it Zon a pro will tell you anything you want to hear while most woman who do not work that angle will tell you one day when they find out you have issues what kind of man you are right? I think it is afraid of being rejected. Is that why you stick around here, just can't stand the thought that some men here reject your warped thinking?


  Show me a man who thinks he is far and above everyone else. I will show you a man who has failed at most of what he does.

I would say Zon has some good points.  Well, he has made some points that I would say is "spot on" when it comes to Ukraine.

Look, he didn't say every one going to another country is a loser.  He said majority of them are and from my experiences, he is right. 

If you are in the minority then I don't see why you are kicking up a fuss.  I really don't understand why you are surprised.  The whole marriage industry is built on lies.

There is nothing wrong with a guy looking for something better then what he could get at home.  The problem that I ran into is most of the guys I met seem to think they can buy their women and the women should be grateful for them coming there.  Personally, most of their attitudes about women made me sick.

Disclaimer: majority of foreign men I met while in Ukraine exhibited these types of behaviors.

[Zon]

If you really look at the whole picture you go to Colombia and date a pro whats wrong with that picture?

1, I never traveled to Colombia for the purpose of dating a pro, or to pay for fun - that would be pathetic.


2, I realize it does not make me admired here to admit that I have, in fact, befriended girls who had sponsors ... a couple prepagos too. And, I did this with knowledge.  I did this because I wanted to.  I am single, and the women were very free to choose. 


3, I have dated a wide variety of women.  I have lived in a wide variety of manners.  It is not so easy to classify, group, and define people who we know in real life - much less avatars on internet sites.

[maritime04]

Wow, we really do disagree on just about everything…
I do not even think you have been paying much attention to anything I say, you seem really focused on my age, and my audacity to comment on issues that I should not even be able to grasp.
Nobody needs qualifications to give opinions on this or that, trust me if what you have to say has merit people pick up on it. This is how I spend some free boring time when I am at work, when I am home you will not hear from me. I do not need approval from you or anybody. We are in argument here because not only do you disagree with what I have to say, but you feel I do not have the experience or right to comment in the first place.
1.       I do not care what your opinion of wife-hunters is, I only find it a little hypocritical how you paint them, and especially in regard to the examples you gave of real men to look up to in Colombia. I found it interesting you did not included every gringo on the plane with your criticism; instead you choose to direct your judgment on those heading to a marriage agency. You see only what you want to see, which will make any real honest dialog close to impossible
2.       NO, not even close. Disadvantaged female? I do disagree with your observations, as how can anyone who does not speak the language say they understand the gender roles, and social behavior between them? So to me your observations are immediately reduced to mere banter, I think you have some of the social gender roles confused and mixed up, how can you not, you are seeing the world with the literacy and communication skills of a toddler. On a social level Colombian women are ANYTHING but disadvantaged, economically I would agree with you. How can you tell me you understand what is going on in every Colombian house hold, across a huge spectrum of estratos merely be observing for a few months? Unethical handicap, I believe in unethical behavior, but relationships are by definition beneficial to the parties involved. Studying and understand cause is the root of science and better thinking, which leads to better judgment, do you seriously see this as a problem?
3.       Yes I disagree that age is viewed differently socially ANYWHERE (not as you imply), as you said BEFORE “AGE MATTERS” your words not mine. I was not offended, I found it silly. Anybody can feel anyway they want, that does not make the math any different.
Yes there is one more thing, everyone has the right to disagree, and conversation is what we are here for. Like or dislike has nothing to do with it, you assume I am “pissed off”, or that I have some agenda because I sound off with my comments and views, only because they differ from yours.

[Zon]

We are in argument here because not only do you disagree with what I have to say, but you feel I do not have the experience or right to comment in the first place.

This is blatantly NOT true.  This applies to only one of your positions:  that is sounds like complete BS that I would suggest that a 45 - 60 year old man that kept physically fit, with current fashion, and socially capable, would feel 10 years younger in Colombia.  THAT IS ALL.   Assume I have never been in a fighter jet (but I read a book and watched a video).  And I was with fighter jet pilots ...  I would realize that although I had a frame of reference, I could not entirely relate because I had not shared the actual experience.  THAT IS ALL


1.

I found it interesting you did not included every gringo on the plane with your criticism; instead you choose to direct your judgment on those heading to a marriage agency. You see only what you want to see, which will make any real honest dialog close to impossible

Point well made.  My observation that the "majority of wife-hunters" were X, Y, and Z was a product of real experience.  Guys proposing to women in less than 72 hours.  Guys flaunting money for the sake of attraction.  Guys looking for a possible life mate as a child would enter an Easter egg hunt.   Candid conversation with amigas who were staff members and translators (many of whom wanted NOTHING to do with any Ameridcano because of their personal observations too!)  That being said: there are some good girls online and in agencies for sure.  There are also good guys - but it is the minority.

Now the general gringo travelling to South America - sorry it gets a little worse.   I had being in the Miami / FT Lauderdale; Houston; or Panama air terminal on a long layover, because there are clusters of gringos that are sharing photos with each other.  They look and sound like High School kids to me. And they talk loudly as to confirm what everyone is already thinking.  Generalities are tricky things, but again this describes the majority of gringos travelling to Central and South America. 

AND ALTHOUGH this is true, I have met some very excellent, like minded men in airports and hotels when travelling over these last several years.  Just because something is in the minority, does not mean it does not exist.

,NO, not even close. Disadvantaged female? I do disagree with your observations, as how can anyone who does not speak the language say they understand the gender roles, and social behavior between them? So to me your observations are immediately reduced to mere banter, I think you have some of the social gender roles confused and mixed up, how can you not, you are seeing the world with the literacy and communication skills of a toddler. On a social level Colombian women are ANYTHING but disadvantaged, economically I would agree with you. How can you tell me you understand what is going on in every Colombian house hold, across a huge spectrum of estratos merely be observing for a few months?

I do not understand everything - never have I claimed to.   Some things are clear by observations alone.  The role of the man is higher in Colombia than here.  I conclude that is due to security and resources.  "Studying and understand cause is the root of science and better thinking, which leads to better judgment, do you seriously see this as a problem?" Nope.   Some people get confused with cause and effect. I like your definition of a relationship serving the interest of each party - that's for sure

[Fuzzyone]

1, I never traveled to Colombia for the purpose of dating a pro, or to pay for fun - that would be pathetic.
You appeared to be proud of the fact you dated a pro in Colombia.

2, I realize it does not make me admired here to admit that I have, in fact, befriended girls who had sponsors ... a couple prepagos too. And, I did this with knowledge.  I did this because I wanted to.  I am single, and the women were very free to choose. 
  Money says it all if you had none then you no where.

3, I have dated a wide variety of women.  I have lived in a wide variety of manners.  It is not so easy to classify, group, and define people who we know in real life - much less avatars on internet sites.

   But then how could you judge wife hunters who go to Colombia? I have met many men that went to Barranquilla who did not flaunting anything in fact i found a vast majority of them had a goal and planned to met it. Now asking them to marry within 72 hours? I never met one except for here and other gringo sites. I did met several gringos like you down there they pretty much thought highly of themselfs but it did not take long for the ladies to realize they were only good for getting money out of. I kinda of thought of them as the turd in the sandbox since they seemed to criticize everyone else but them selfs.

[JimD]

"spot on" when it comes to Ukraine.

Look, he didn't say every one going to another country is a loser.  He said majority of them are and from my experiences, he is right. 

If you are in the minority then I don't see why you are kicking up a fuss.  I really don't understand why you are surprised.  The whole marriage industry is built on lies.

There is nothing wrong with a guy looking for something better then what he could get at home.  The problem that I ran into is most of the guys I met seem to think they can buy their women and the women should be grateful for them coming there.  Personally, most of their attitudes about women made me sick.

Inperson that was a good post. I've never been to the Ukrain but your comments ring true for Colombia as well. I would guess the idea of "buying" a wife is as common here as there. That "buying" approach is the reason so many Cali girls earn pretty good coin chatting up North Americans on those cupido and other sites without ever having to even meet him in person. That is of course the other side of the coin. What it boils down to is yes, (this is really an old saw here) American men can meet and possibly marry girls who are much younger and much more attractive than they have a snowball's chance in hell of hooking up with stateside. And back to the other side of the coin:  girls whose best hope no matter how "hot" they are at nineteen is to get into an union libre with a guy who if she's lucky earns more than the salario minimo, has a shot at the "American Dream" with all that that implies.   

[z_k_g]

Think about it Zon a pro will tell you anything you want to hear while most woman who do not work that angle will tell you one day when they find out you have issues what kind of man you areright? I think it is afraid of being rejected. Is that why you stick around here, just can't stand the thought that some men here reject your warped thinking?


  Show me a man who thinks he is far and above everyone else. I will show you a man who has failed at most of what he does.

Fuzzy,

I think this is a very succinct point that needs to be highlighted.

This is why the very idea of "dating" a pro, whether she is prepago or street walker is ludicrous, they are hired employees, prostitutes paid via gifts or cash and they are only there for WHAT you pay them, and as LONG as you pay them.  A prepago prostitute or the street hooker is gone when the money is gone. 

She will tell you she loves you for the duration of "the relationship" and provide you with a most excellent GFE, telling you whatever else you want to hear, you are "da man".

You can fool yourself that's its real and live in YOUR fantasy as long as your gifts and cash flows to her.

Hookers, prepagos and street walkers will NEVER reject you no matter your age or your physical attributes, why should they?  You are paying good wages for their company and they know there is always another hooker waiting in the wings if they disappoint moneybags and no way is she gonna let another babe tap in on her cash cow.

Hookers know its a buyers market.

Lots of prepagos, limited supply of Johns getting of the plane.

Zulu

[Zon]

1,

You appeared to be proud of the fact you dated a pro in Colombia.

Appeared to be "proud" - or simply unashamed?


2,

This is why the very idea of "dating" a pro, whether she is prepago or street walker is ludicrous, they are hired employees, prostitutes paid via gifts or cash and they are only there for WHAT you pay them, and as LONG as you pay them.  A prepago prostitute or the street hooker is gone when the money is gone.

This issue is like red meat to you guys.  I really kind of makes me wonder what kind of puritanical, make believe house of ideologies some of your guys create for yourselves? 

With regard to number 2, dating does not imply courting?!?!?  In my world it simply means measuring choices and making the one that best serves my interests at the time.  And, I am not altogether sold on the 100% evil / lier / unrepeatable image you make of women that take on a sponsor - would I WANT a woman with that background to be my wife?  No.  But, that does not mean that she probably WILL BECOME some man's wife and some child's mother.

[Fuzzyone]

1,

Appeared to be "proud" - or simply unashamed?


2,
This issue is like red meat to you guys.  I really kind of makes me wonder what kind of puritanical, make believe house of ideologies some of your guys create for yourselves? 

With regard to number 2, dating does not imply courting?!?!?  In my world it simply means measuring choices and making the one that best serves my interests at the time.  And, I am not altogether sold on the 100% evil / lier / unrepeatable image you make of women that take on a sponsor - would I WANT a woman with that background to be my wife?  No.  But, that does not mean that she probably WILL BECOME some man's wife and some child's mother.

   No what I think what the real red meat for most guys here is how you seem to get your panties in a knot over anyone here that has succeed at getting married and staying married with a woman from S.A. Every time you getting in a vocal war with someone here you manage to bring up for some reason about getting married or for being married for over 7 years or some other baloney about being married. The other is the fallacy that most men that go to Colombia have issues but you do not. I want you to think one central thought. If one keeps switches jobs or professions does that make him a failure or just a loser since he seems not to be master any?

[Zon]

1, May I ask what fact triggered this: "No what I think what the real red meat for most guys here is how you seem to get your panties in a knot over anyone here that has succeed at getting married and staying married with a woman from S.A"

What actual fact triggered this statement?   It is simply your inference I believe - you are filling in blanks

2, The other is the fallacy that most men that go to Colombia have issues but you do not.

A) IN MY OPINION ( AND MANY OTHER'S TOO TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST) the majority of guys that go to Colombia - and evidentally Ukraine - are not the "best and brightest".    I intend for this to be construed in the general way "attractiveness" is understood here in the USA. (Now we don't need to get into some theoretical conversation here).    The bottom line is that many times when a person who is giving service to a agency customer, that person is talking under their breath, or rolling their eyes.   Does this really surprise any grown up here?  Should I pretend that this is not the case to win Mr. Congeniality?

B) Who says I have NO issues?!?!  I have become a professional version of a backpacker.  I have made a hobby out of trying new things and expanding my boundaries.  Occasionally, I date women half my age - just for fun. And, I prefer to live in Colombia (or other places like it) that are rather dangerous and unpredictable.  It is safe to say I have issues too:) 

[Fuzzyone]

1, May I ask what fact triggered this: "No what I think what the real red meat for most guys here is how you seem to get your panties in a knot over anyone here that has succeed at getting married and staying married with a woman from S.A"

What actual fact triggered this statement?   It is simply your inference I believe - you are filling in blanks

2, The other is the fallacy that most men that go to Colombia have issues but you do not.

A) IN MY OPINION ( AND MANY OTHER'S TOO TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST) the majority of guys that go to Colombia - and evidentally Ukraine - are not the "best and brightest".    I intend for this to be construed in the general way "attractiveness" is understood here in the USA. (Now we don't need to get into some theoretical conversation here).    The bottom line is that many times when a person who is giving service to a agency customer, that person is talking under their breath, or rolling their eyes.   Does this really surprise any grown up here?  Should I pretend that this is not the case to win Mr. Congeniality?
  I think you are full of crap and you know it, part of your problem is the people you hang out with. You want to judge everyone on the fact of who you hang around and then push here what a bunch of losers we are. Guess what go look in the mirror and you can see a example of what you call not the best or brightest!
B) Who says I have NO issues?!?!  I have become a professional version of a backpacker.  I have made a hobby out of trying new things and expanding my boundaries.  Occasionally, I date women half my age - just for fun. And, I prefer to live in Colombia (or other places like it) that are rather dangerous and unpredictable.  It is safe to say I have issues too:) 

  What is the biggest issue? Failure or the fear of failing? or say judging a bunch of other guys who most you never met and just pisses you off that they are a success while you well I can say did get married at one time and was a A.A. for a congressmen (GULP) that I would never admit too! oh and tried to be bigger than a over the hill Hugh Hefner!

[Zon]

You want to judge everyone on the fact of who you hang around and then push here what a bunch of losers we are

Stop being so sensitive.  I did not call YOU a looser.  Innerposter, and others agree with the characterization without insult. This opinion is relevant to those trying to get a handle on things.  It may turn out that they agree with there own experience - or not.

I think we ought be more pragmatic.  There ought to be less "sacred cows"