Can You Afford To Retire In Colombia?

[beginthebeguin]

V_Man concerning
a.) That's a great idea. Jim_D has already sent me some possibilities. 
b.) A pre-arranged signal has been worked out already. My guess it will be transmitted to me at the airport terminal BEFORE we get in the taxi. If not then, perhaps the taxi trip. And yes, discresion for the first day or so and then family and friends after that.  And her family has more gringos as sons-in-law than colombianos so I'm not much of a novelty to the extended family.
"Running with the big dogs"! Pleeassszzeeeee, the 'my man' alpha male BS again?   

[Zon]

That happened after you limited your participation.  I say you jump back in with both feet with a little more balanced approach!

Well, I have come to see this place NOT as a neutral gathering of men with overlapping interest.  Rather this board has a clear mission with a built in positive backdrop. Nothing wrong with that.  So, for the record, let me say: Is it possible for an AM to find a wife from a foreign country and enjoy a long term good marriage with her living in the USA?  YES.

 I have posted my personal observations, opinions, and biases at length. Others do so too from time to time.  This board has many success stories and train wrecks that is easy for any newbie to find, read, and the the degree possible, learn.

 I do not have a motive or position to maintain here. I found this place when I was considering taking a trip to South America after I exchanged emails with a woman on some internet dating site.  That was 3 years ago, maybe 4.    At this time, my only advise?  (It is more of an admonition) We all make the world we live in either by design, luck, or default.   And, we are all free to change it.  A little courage can go a long way.
 

[z_k_g]

Well, I have come to see this place NOT as a neutral gathering of men with overlapping interest.  Rather this board has a clear mission with a built in positive backdrop. Nothing wrong with that. 

Zon,

Yes, you are absolutely right.

Planet-Love is just that, a place where men seek guidance on their journey to find a wife.

This is definitely NOT a neutral website and you are informed of that when you sign up.

The primary reason men participate on P-L is because they have the goal of finding a wife and they want to converse first hand with men who have traveled the same path, have the relevant experiences with all type of foreign women and have the technical know how to assist navigating through the visa and immigration process.

If you are not seeking a wife, or helping newbies along with the process, then you have really NO reason to participate on P-L.

There are many many other forums that serve as neutral gatherings to satisfy the need to debate similar interests.

Hint, hint....

Zulu

[Woody]

Zon,

Yes, you are absolutely right.

Planet-Love is just that, a place where men seek guidance on their journey to find a wife.

This is definitely NOT a neutral website and you are informed of that when you sign up.

The primary reason men participate on P-L is because they have the goal of finding a wife and they want to converse first hand with men who have traveled the same path, have the relevant experiences with all type of foreign women and have the technical know how to assist navigating through the visa and immigration process.

If you are not seeking a wife, or helping newbies along with the process, then you have really NO reason to participate on P-L.

There are many many other forums that serve as neutral gatherings to satisfy the need to debate similar interests.

Hint, hint....

Zulu

Umm, have you read the PL front page lately? Sure, it emphasizes eventual marriage and life after marriage, but the main message is relationships with women from outside of your own country. I fail to see how Zon providing his perspective on Colombian culture is irrelevant to the core purpose of this site.

Sometimes I think the guys here forget that dating is a step you need to take on the path to marriage. While Zon may not be ready to move past the dating phase, his cultural commentary both complimentary and derogatory towards Colombianas is not only relevant, but useful. I know what you are insinuating, that Zon belongs on one of the sex tourist sites. When talking about relationships with foreign women, you don't just have two types of people. I know, it makes things nice and neat to throw everyone you don't like into that disgusting sex tourist category and everyone you do like into the virtuous wife hunter category, but there are many levels in between.

Dating IS a numbers game, and dating is something to enjoy as a life experience along the way. Sometimes you find the woman for you, and you for her after only a few dates. Sometimes it takes years of looking and dating to find what you are looking for. The only thing you can do is put yourself in situations where you are more likely to meet and attract a woman that will satisfy your needs just as you satisfy hers.

I don't get it, does the thought of having a relationship with a woman when you know that she would not be compatible long term disgust you? If so, why? Did you think that every girl you ever dated could be the one? You never dated a girl, knowing from the start that it would not be a long term relationship?

Personally, I like Zon's posts. He doesn't sugar coat things, he tells the good stories and the bad ones. Sure he has some overall consistency issues, we all do. Then again, part of the reason I like his posts so much is that it reminds me of my times in Colombia. I think back when I read his stories and say to myself, yep, I can see that happening. Little things that I observed but did not really process during my three months down there. Now, I claim to be no expert when it comes to Colombia, hell, I am only just scratching the surface on just how little I know about the culture. All the same, Zon has many good points that he makes here and then is flamed for it because he is not a true wife hunter and others here do not like his presence. Maybe they feel threatened by him, maybe they don't. Maybe they are just incapable of accepting that someone they consider beneath them because of their "moral values" has something valuable to contribute. *Shrug*

This place would be a lot more boring if the serial daters that live in Colombia most of the year stopped posting. Is there a bias in their reporting of their observations? Well, I would hope there is. We are talking about a highly emotional and subjective experience. Their observations, however cherry picked by their brain's natural process of filtering information, are relevant to the overall discussion and journey that this site is about.

-Woody

[whitey]

I agree with you Woody and welcome different perspectives here, no matter whether I agree with them or not.

I have no idea why guys like Zon and Dennis catch so much flack ...

[innerperson]

Umm, have you read the PL front page lately? Sure, it emphasizes eventual marriage and life after marriage, but the main message is relationships with women from outside of your own country. I fail to see how Zon providing his perspective on Colombian culture is irrelevant to the core purpose of this site.

Sometimes I think the guys here forget that dating is a step you need to take on the path to marriage. While Zon may not be ready to move past the dating phase, his cultural commentary both complimentary and derogatory towards Colombianas is not only relevant, but useful. I know what you are insinuating, that Zon belongs on one of the sex tourist sites. When talking about relationships with foreign women, you don't just have two types of people. I know, it makes things nice and neat to throw everyone you don't like into that disgusting sex tourist category and everyone you do like into the virtuous wife hunter category, but there are many levels in between.

Dating IS a numbers game, and dating is something to enjoy as a life experience along the way. Sometimes you find the woman for you, and you for her after only a few dates. Sometimes it takes years of looking and dating to find what you are looking for. The only thing you can do is put yourself in situations where you are more likely to meet and attract a woman that will satisfy your needs just as you satisfy hers.

I don't get it, does the thought of having a relationship with a woman when you know that she would not be compatible long term disgust you? If so, why? Did you think that every girl you ever dated could be the one? You never dated a girl, knowing from the start that it would not be a long term relationship?

Personally, I like Zon's posts. He doesn't sugar coat things, he tells the good stories and the bad ones. Sure he has some overall consistency issues, we all do. Then again, part of the reason I like his posts so much is that it reminds me of my times in Colombia. I think back when I read his stories and say to myself, yep, I can see that happening. Little things that I observed but did not really process during my three months down there. Now, I claim to be no expert when it comes to Colombia, hell, I am only just scratching the surface on just how little I know about the culture. All the same, Zon has many good points that he makes here and then is flamed for it because he is not a true wife hunter and others here do not like his presence. Maybe they feel threatened by him, maybe they don't. Maybe they are just incapable of accepting that someone they consider beneath them because of their "moral values" has something valuable to contribute. *Shrug*

This place would be a lot more boring if the serial daters that live in Colombia most of the year stopped posting. Is there a bias in their reporting of their observations? Well, I would hope there is. We are talking about a highly emotional and subjective experience. Their observations, however cherry picked by their brain's natural process of filtering information, are relevant to the overall discussion and journey that this site is about.

-Woody

As a lurker that was looking for info on South America, I enjoyed Zon's posts as well.  For some reason, people on here seem to have things backwards.  Like it is more common to pick women out of a magazine or catalog and find a wife that way.  Surprisingly, that isn't normal.

I doesn't seem like Zon is looking to settle down but that is ok.  The happier with your life the better you will be in a relationship.  So maybe a relationship will slap Zon in the face with or without him actively looking for one.

Some people seem to want to concentrate on the messenger and not the message.

[z_k_g]

Woody,

I love Zon's posts!!

The point I was trying to make was that Zon is a wife hunter! 

Why else would he be here?

Zulu

[fathertime]

Woody,

I love Zon's posts!!

The point I was trying to make was that Zon is a wife hunter! 

Why else would he be here?

Zulu

He is a wife hunter in camouflage.  That is how he hunts, but all the stable babes can't find him! jaja.


Fathertime! 

[JimD]

... hell, I am only just scratching the surface on just how little I know about the culture. All the same, Zon has many good points that he makes here and then is flamed for it because he is not a true wife hunter and others here do not like his presence. Maybe they feel threatened by him

This place would be a lot more boring if the serial daters that live in Colombia most of the year stopped posting. Is there a bias in their reporting of their observations? Well, I would hope there is.
Woody

Excellent post woody! As to Zon I've only noted two posters here, fathertime and researcher, two posters who allege to be married to colombianas who seem to be fixated on Zon and spend their every posting moment razzing him mercilessly to which he inevitably responds in the most equable fashion. There are others like Whitey who has offered convincing credentials who appear to have no problem with Zon or Calipro for that matter who offer up thier perspective of single men dating beautiful chicas in Colombia.
 

[Deseo]

This place would be a lot more boring if the serial daters that live in Colombia most of the year stopped posting. Is there a bias in their reporting of their observations? Well, I would hope there is. We are talking about a highly emotional and subjective experience. Their observations, however cherry picked by their brain's natural process of filtering information, are relevant to the overall discussion and journey that this site is about.

-Woody

Let me be the 2nd or 3rd person to AGREE with you Woody.  The ex-pats that live in Colombia (single & married) are a HUGE asset to this board.  And I know at least one of them (AndyLee) who has left the board in part due to all the bickering/pissing match BS that has been gonig on.

[z_k_g]

AndyLee had a great viewpoint on things and he lived in SA.

Maybe he will return.

Zulu

[Zon]

And I know at least one of them (AndyLee) who has left the board in part due to all the bickering/pissing match BS that has been gonig on.

There are others too, plus there are lurkers that quickly determine this place to be narrow-minded and narrowly focused - that is in addition to the constant chides and insults tossed around by anyone who does not want to follow this formula
= VISIT and MEET, DATE (and the speed of light), MARRY (again, at the speed of light), and then TRANSPLANT the new bride to anytown, USA.

[vikingo]

If you want to transplant a very attractive colombiana to your own country, you best be well matched, that is to say more or less equally attractive, in good shape, sexually compatible and have the means to let her visit mom at least twice a year, especially for Christmas, be able to offer her a great life, let her buy lots of clothes de marca, good quality parfums, cremes and lotions, constant access to her hairdresser, manicurist and pettycurist, and a much higher standard of living than what she was used to, her kind of music, may it be vallenato, salsa or baladas and an environment where she has contact to her own people and language because after the newness wears off she will be bored to death and because the competion is fierce and someone better off than you, more successful or better looking may snap her away from you before you realize what's happening. It helps if she get's pregnant right away so she has something to worry about.
I just painted the worst scenario for you, she may be an exeptional woman and put up with a lot but if you you don't fit the description above, by all means get someone a little older, like 40 and above and less attractive.
Zon and others, do you not agree?

[Zon]

If you want to transplant a very attractive colombiana to your own country, you best be well matched, that is to say more or less equally attractive, in good shape, sexually compatible and have the means to let her visit mom at least twice a year, especially for Christmas, be able to offer her a great life, let her buy lots of clothes de marca, good quality parfums, cremes and lotions, constant access to her hairdresser, manicurist and pettycurist, and a much higher standard of living than what she was used to, her kind of music, may it be vallenato, salsa or baladas and an environment where she has contact to her own people and language because after the newness wears off she will be bored to death and because the competion is fierce and someone better off than you, more successful or better looking may snap her away from you before you realize what's happening. It helps if she get's pregnant right away so she has something to worry about.

Hurry and get her pregnant?!?!?!? If not for the right reasons, is this not a GREAT example of the remedy being worse than the condition?   HAHAHAHA

Well, there is some truth to what you say.  If you are a 100% gringo, and want to take a Colombiana and transplant her in YOUR life intermingling with her culture, home, and family to the minimum degree necessary, and then live in a place where your new wife will be around your friends wives and your city ... local standards will start to over-write the standards that existed in the beginning of the relationship.  Monkey see, monkey do.  And that does not go very well for any man.

There are "by degrees"at work here.  Some older men are rich, others are in good physical shape and physically attractive, some guys are fun to be with  and create true love and loyalty.  It depends.  I think this whole affairs stretches possibilities, anything beyond a stretch will snap 9 times out of 10.

[Jeff S]

If you want to transplant a very attractive colombiana to your own country, you best be well matched, that is to say more or less equally attractive, in good shape, sexually compatible and have the means to let her visit mom at least twice a year, especially for Christmas, be able to offer her a great life, let her buy lots of clothes de marca, good quality parfums, cremes and lotions, constant access to her hairdresser, manicurist and pettycurist, and a much higher standard of living than what she was used to, her kind of music, may it be vallenato, salsa or baladas and an environment where she has contact to her own people and language because after the newness wears off she will be bored to death and because the competion is fierce and someone better off than you, more successful or better looking may snap her away from you before you realize what's happening. It helps if she get's pregnant right away so she has something to worry about.

So splain to me why you would ever want to do this? Besides being marginally better than hooking up with a fat, surly AW, I mean. 

[fathertime]

If you want to transplant a very attractive colombiana to your own country, you best be well matched, that is to say more or less equally attractive, in good shape, sexually compatible and have the means to let her visit mom at least twice a year, especially for Christmas, be able to offer her a great life, let her buy lots of clothes de marca, good quality parfums, cremes and lotions, constant access to her hairdresser, manicurist and pettycurist, and a much higher standard of living than what she was used to, her kind of music, may it be vallenato, salsa or baladas and an environment where she has contact to her own people and language because after the newness wears off she will be bored to death and because the competion is fierce and someone better off than you, more successful or better looking may snap her away from you before you realize what's happening. It helps if she get's pregnant right away so she has something to worry about.
I just painted the worst scenario for you, she may be an exeptional woman and put up with a lot but if you you don't fit the description above, by all means get someone a little older, like 40 and above and less attractive.
Zon and others, do you not agree?

based on my experience, i think it is a bit of an exaggeration in most areas here  shopping/nails/lotions/. 
Christmas we are 3rd xmas together, never in colombia complete acceptance, although I WANT us to have christmas in colombia someday down the road and i know that my wife would like that too!


Also, i've seen a couple mismatched couples in terms of appearance that are doing well

[z_k_g]

If you want to transplant a very attractive colombiana to your own country, you best be well matched, that is to say more or less equally attractive, in good shape, sexually compatible and have the means to let her visit mom at least twice a year, especially for Christmas, be able to offer her a great life, let her buy lots of clothes de marca, good quality parfums, cremes and lotions, constant access to her hairdresser, manicurist and pettycurist, and a much higher standard of living than what she was used to, her kind of music, may it be vallenato, salsa or baladas and an environment where she has contact to her own people and language because after the newness wears off she will be bored to death and because the competion is fierce and someone better off than you, more successful or better looking may snap her away from you before you realize what's happening. It helps if she get's pregnant right away so she has something to worry about.
I just painted the worst scenario for you, she may be an exeptional woman and put up with a lot but if you you don't fit the description above, by all means get someone a little older, like 40 and above and less attractive.
Zon and others, do you not agree?

Huh?

Zulu

[aconcepts]

Yeah people like bama do this all the time. They see it as an ego boost I guess, I mean really I don't know what they are thinkiing.. or what they are thinking with.
 
Why bring someone out of their culture? You went there looking for them. I mean if you can't make a living there and you two are madly in love,,, well whatever. But she did not come to the US looking for a cultural adventure, and how is she to know what awaits her.
 
I mean men throw this at them and think  - hey you can aclamate to the most fast changing culture in the world! What you aint happy? Now if you are down on the farm or something I get it. But west coast east coast dallas houston Chicago or any other mid size city? Good frickin luck.
 
Now if she is an educated cosmo woman its one thing but to pluck her out of podunk Colombia and expect her to dance to your tunes... hmmmm I don't think so.
 
Like my great friend said "The best way to have a solid marriage is to go ugly early..."
 
Like I told him, i'd rather be single...
 
I would rather live in Colombia with my woman/women. Also if she has a good family (prerequsite), they will give her support you just can't. They will also keep her in line somewhat and if its needed.
 
 

[JimD]

If you want to transplant a very attractive colombiana to your own country, you best be well matched, that is to say more or less equally attractive, in good shape, sexually compatible and have the means to let her visit mom at least twice a year, especially for Christmas, be able to offer her a great life, let her buy lots of clothes de marca, good quality parfums, cremes and lotions, constant access to her hairdresser, manicurist and pettycurist, and a much higher standard of living than what she was used to, her kind of music, may it be vallenato, salsa or baladas and an environment where she has contact to her own people and language because after the newness wears off she will be bored to death and because the competion is fierce and someone better off than you, more successful or better looking may snap her away from you before you realize what's happening. It helps if she get's pregnant right away so she has something to worry about.
I just painted the worst scenario for you, she may be an exeptional woman and put up with a lot but if you you don't fit the description above, by all means get someone a little older, like 40 and above and less attractive.
Zon and others, do you not agree?

Well lets see, there's some advice that's not without some precident. The late Utopiacowboy always extolled the virtues of women in their forties and encouraged us to seek them out instead of the young hotties . I think he said his wife celebrated her fiftieth birthday not long before he left Planet-Love. Then option #2 is marry a younger barrio girl, scale 5 or 6 say and knock her up lickety-split. One poster claims success with this stratagy but a second seems to be struggling with it.

[Researcher]

Excellent post woody! As to Zon I've only noted two posters here, fathertime and researcher, two posters who allege to be married to colombianas who seem to be fixated on Zon and spend their every posting moment razzing him mercilessly to which he inevitably responds in the most equable fashion. There are others like Whitey who has offered convincing credentials who appear to have no problem with Zon or Calipro for that matter who offer up thier perspective of single men dating beautiful chicas in Colombia.

What's wrong Jim are you jealous that no one really finds you interesting enough to "razz"? Maybe if your avatar wasn't an advertisement for the movie "Brokeback Mountain" you might be taken more seriously. hahaha!


         Researcher

[Researcher]

Umm, have you read the PL front page lately? Sure, it emphasizes eventual marriage and life after marriage, but the main message is relationships with women from outside of your own country. I fail to see how Zon providing his perspective on Colombian culture is irrelevant to the core purpose of this site.

Sometimes I think the guys here forget that dating is a step you need to take on the path to marriage. While Zon may not be ready to move past the dating phase, his cultural commentary both complimentary and derogatory towards Colombianas is not only relevant, but useful. I know what you are insinuating, that Zon belongs on one of the sex tourist sites. When talking about relationships with foreign women, you don't just have two types of people. I know, it makes things nice and neat to throw everyone you don't like into that disgusting sex tourist category and everyone you do like into the virtuous wife hunter category, but there are many levels in between.

Dating IS a numbers game, and dating is something to enjoy as a life experience along the way. Sometimes you find the woman for you, and you for her after only a few dates. Sometimes it takes years of looking and dating to find what you are looking for. The only thing you can do is put yourself in situations where you are more likely to meet and attract a woman that will satisfy your needs just as you satisfy hers.

I don't get it, does the thought of having a relationship with a woman when you know that she would not be compatible long term disgust you? If so, why? Did you think that every girl you ever dated could be the one? You never dated a girl, knowing from the start that it would not be a long term relationship?

Personally, I like Zon's posts. He doesn't sugar coat things, he tells the good stories and the bad ones. Sure he has some overall consistency issues, we all do. Then again, part of the reason I like his posts so much is that it reminds me of my times in Colombia. I think back when I read his stories and say to myself, yep, I can see that happening. Little things that I observed but did not really process during my three months down there. Now, I claim to be no expert when it comes to Colombia, hell, I am only just scratching the surface on just how little I know about the culture. All the same, Zon has many good points that he makes here and then is flamed for it because he is not a true wife hunter and others here do not like his presence. Maybe they feel threatened by him, maybe they don't. Maybe they are just incapable of accepting that someone they consider beneath them because of their "moral values" has something valuable to contribute. *Shrug*

This place would be a lot more boring if the serial daters that live in Colombia most of the year stopped posting. Is there a bias in their reporting of their observations? Well, I would hope there is. We are talking about a highly emotional and subjective experience. Their observations, however cherry picked by their brain's natural process of filtering information, are relevant to the overall discussion and journey that this site is about.

-Woody

   Well Woody to the young and relatively inexperienced Ol' zon may look like the sage he tries to project but to me he is just full of crap. Pointing out the obvious doesn't take much talent and that is mostly what he does. The rest of his posts are pure gibberish. When I was travelling (and you were probably in elementary school) I ran across guys who really knew things and others who were just full of crap like zon. I can tell the difference. His past aside and the fact he is only going through a midlife crisis aside as well I still see very little of value that he posts. I really don't think anyone else does either but I do think we all feel sorry for the guy.


     Researcher

[fathertime]

What's wrong Jim are you jealous that no one really finds you interesting enough to "razz"? Maybe if your avatar wasn't an advertisement for the movie "Brokeback Mountain" you might be taken more seriously. hahaha!


         Researcher

jimD i must admit, is a little deficient in many ways....typical 55 year old with a parade of 18 year old 'girlfriends'.....no monetary transaction going on there!
drives a beat up truck around yumbo like he has some importance....is afraid to get razzed so says very little on this particular ID he has created. 


Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

jimD i must admit, is a little deficient in many ways....typical 55 year old with a parade of 18 year old 'girlfriends'.....no monetary transaction going on there!
drives a beat up truck around yumbo like he has some importance....is afraid to get razzed so says very little on this particular ID he has created. 


Fathertime!

   Well FT that wouldn't surprise me. I've seen plenty of guys who were in Colombia just playing around. Usually "pay for play" was involved outright. I did run across players there also. I always wondered how they fooled themselves into thinking they actually had "game". If a man actually has game and able to be successful with the ladies he wouldn't have any need to travel to another country. Finding women for just sex is pretty easy in the US so it seems really sad to have to look for it in another country.


     Researcher

[JimD]

....typical 55 year old with a parade of 18 year old 'girlfriends'.....no monetary transaction going on there!
drives a beat up truck around yumbo like he has some importance

Yes it's true, on weekends I load up my battered old truck with eighteen year old chicas and we head off to a motel in Yumbo 

[innerperson]

If a man actually has game and able to be successful with the ladies he wouldn't have any need to travel to another country. Finding women for just sex is pretty easy in the US so it seems really sad to have to look for it in another country.


     Researcher

Many people say the same about men marrying foreign women.  I am surprised to hear this type of stuff from guys here.

Jesus, you guys are worst then women.  Constant back and forth bitching. I can see why this board isn't busier.