Prepago al Maximo

[z_k_g]

She said monogamy, she does not belive in monogamy, or love. That men and women can not have a monogamous relationship, WTF are you kidding me........................................................HELLO

LOL

[z_k_g]

WOOOOOW ...  are all wife hunters this judgemental?   The woman was a single mom with a background in the hospitality industry.  She was physically, exceptional.   She did not want to be an entertainer, but she did want, and need that high income.   We saw each other for a couple months, and then, something came up. 

She was OK in my book.  Wife material for me? nope.  But, then again, it seems I have this unbelievable abilty to spend time with a woman romantically without contemplating marriage!

Zon,

She worked in a whorehouse and you went on "dates"......maybe you should let that sink in............

I am not really sure what you are doing on a website dedicated to finding a wife and ridiculing the men on the very website.

I think the more pertinent question is why are you here on a wife hunting website ridiculing wife hunters?

Just asking.........

Zulu

[Researcher]

She said monogamy, she does not belive in monogamy, or love. That men and women can not have a monogamous relationship, WTF are you kidding me........................................................HELLO

    Why doesn't she believe in mahogany, I like it better than pine! hahaha!
   
     Hey, I was trying to put it "nicely"....hehehe!


     Researcher

[Calipro]

She said monogamy, she does not belive in monogamy, or love. That men and women can not have a monogamous relationship, WTF are you kidding me........................................................HELLO
 
Again, benjio is on the ground we are NOT, and she was on Colombian cupido looking for penpals, NOT
ASERIOUS RELATIONSHIP! becuase we all know how difficult it is for a knockout women to meet intresting guys for conversation.

Hmmm.......  Has  prepagafobia been  clinicly defined as a medical illness yet or.... are we still in the early stages of identifing this sickness?    jejeje

[Calipro]

Calipro et al
 
I think that Benjio has a pretty good idea of what Colombia has to offer....
 
I do agree that we all give advice based on our experiences in SA:
 
But contrary to Calipros assertion I ve had a remarkaby smooth ride. Ive been disappointed a few times by women, but in three years of LIVING in Colombia, I never felt that I spent too much time or too much money on a woman without appreciable results ......
 
It did happen once to me, but it was my first agency trip in January 2008 BEFORE I moved to Colombia)  and I semi fell for a beautiful woman who had been damaged.  I put too much time and a bit too much money into her, wthout results
 
And if I had had bad experiences, I wouldn t (as Calipro described me) hold the all time record for most dates with different women!   I don t  know if its factually true, but thank you! jejeje   If I had bad experiences, I would have quit a long time ago!!! 
 
Assuming the worst about a woman and being REALISTIC about one s chances with a particular woman are TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
 
I laughed when I heard my comment described as a typical frightened gringo reaction because there wasn t enough information....
 
When a man lives in Colombia, and observes the culture, he has ENOUGH information, if he s an occasional tourist, HE NEVER KNOWS ENOUGH..
 
Again, I am older then Benjo by a lot..  But  IF a woman like that had talked to me about what OTHER men bought for her....in a first conversation
 
I would have made a quick comment about her manners, and only her manners (because if she was trying to qualify me as a potential client for maintenance and I called her on it....that would have been too direct and too rude).....
 
I would have called for the check, paid it and left...
 
Part of the process is WALKING AWAY and having a very good reason to do it
 
Dennis       
 
 

Post from a guy that in my opinion has had bit of a rough go at it in Colombia.....not all bad mind you (could be worst and he knows it...like dating 50 year old gringas jajaja).

in 2008, I was  interested in meeting a beautiful 32 or 33 year old woman at a Bogota agency, and the agency counselor salesman said...
 
she s  gorgeous, BUT you re going to have to put some money into her. She s going to expect gifts. 
 
And I immediately lost interest.
 
I talked wth an agency client a few days later, the man had gone out with the same woman, she told him that her boots were worn out  and he bought her a pair of 60 dollar boots and if I remember, the agency client didn t have sex with the 60 dollar boots girl , she made an excuse not to see him again. 
 
That s down the ladder from the Manolo Blahnik boots that Benjio s amiga was wearing....
 
but if a man feels that is the BEST way to persaude a woman to sleep with him..its not a seduction,  its not a conquista....as Don Corleone would have said (jejejeje), its nothing personal, it s strictly business!!!!
 
Or the man is paying in hopes of satisfying his particular taste or fetish....and the woman knows it.
 
As men.... we have fantasies that a woman who we think is incredibly gorgeous and sexy, but who plays in another league is going to change her way of thinking and living.....   and the man says to himself I am the EXCEPTION,   I have that SPECIAL SOMETHING, I have that MAGIC RAP,  that is going to make that woman want to go to bed with ME...
 
And always he is deluding himself, jejejeje!   
 
 

My advice would have been to go for it if you really wanted it.....back in the day when I used marriage agencies...I never wanted to listen to anything the agency staff had to say about the chicks.....just put her infront of me and get the hell out of the way. jejeje
 
Quote from a guy that has had overwhelmingly positive experiences with colombianas....the relationships were not always as produtive has I would have prefered ...but almost all were extremely enjoyable.

We are all different that is for sure.....I have no desire to sleep with every hot woman in Colombia....only the hot women that are really into me.....I for one can tell the difference between good and bad sex and I much prefer the good stuff. Recently told a pretty damn hot calena that I really didn't want to keep going out with her because I really wasn't feeling it in the bedroom......she seemed shocked....I asked her don't you think we lack some chemistry when we are in bed and she told me "no"....I told her well take it from a guy that is twice your age.....we do. jejeje

She still freakin calls and writes crap on my facebook page.

I don't think for a second the woman showed any signs of being a prepago and the mere fact that she showed photos on nice things on her Iphone doesn't equal "I'm a high  maintenance girlfriend accept my terms or move on". Any guy that comes to that conclusion based on that has screaming insecurities if you ask me.

One thing is for sure...if that chick had met me in my hotel bar....I'd know for absolute if she was really into me or not before she got out that door. I would have kino escalated and if I was still getting mixed signals I would have changed venues just to see if I could get her back to the hotel afterward. If she came back I would have done my best to find her needle in the haystack and if found it really wouldn't matter one bit who bought her what as she was looking at me with those starry eyes. jejejeje

Notice any difference?
 
 

[mudd]

Quote from a guy that has had overwhelmingly positive experiences with colombianas....the relationships were not always as produtive has I would have prefered ...but almost all were extremely enjoyab

calipro
quick question, just how many relationships have you had in colombia? none have worked out???,  are you a professional dater??? 

[Zon]

I can draw that conclusions about “wife hunters” from some of your past posts, but you say you do not have anything against this, or them OK I believe you. However I cannot validate the complaint about hearing too much of this or that, IT’S A MARRIGARE WEBSITE where the ultimate goal for the majority of guys here is to get married, NOW I am not saying your opinions and viewpoints are not valuable on this site, quite the contrary they are extremely valuable and good insight into Colombia’s dating and party scene. I for one value your posts and enjoy reading them. Just to clarify if you had to give a weight to those 1-4 reasons why you were in Colombia its obviously number 4, just to put the matter to rest

I found this web site, THEN started travelling.  Thus, there is an element of time here, This Board was part of the cause why I travelled to Colombia - a big part, in fact.

Reasons why I like LIVING in Colombia:   Other BIG REASONS: 

1, I think most any gringo gets 10 years subtracted from his age.   If you take care of yourself and remain current, the difference could be greater.  That does not suck!

2, It is possible for you to greatly affect many situations in ways that are almost impossible in the USA.  It is easy to make each day "special".   

( I do not write about my personal dating life often here, because I have created a reputation as being rather dishonorable ) But an example will illustrate: I dated a psychologist in Medellin earlier in the year.  She knew some English, yet on one of our first dates, I was running out of Spanish.  The excitment of the mood began to be lost ... so, I called the waiter over and explained it was my date's birthday, and if he could call the musicians over to our table.   It was not the girls birthday, of course, but at least I could say cumpleanos.  The situation turned magical.  They left us alone in a rotating bar with an amazing view of the city for an hour.  I think the whole thing cost me 60 bucks!

[Calipro]

calipro
quick question, just how many relationships have you had in colombia? none have worked out???,  are you a professional dater???

I think I already posted this somewhere on this thread.....over the past 15 years.....I have spent approx. 8 years in relationships and about 7 years dating.
When I say 8 years in relationships I mean monogamous relationships.....in the 7 years of dating...I have dated some for days, weeks, months or even a year but they where not mutually exclusive relationships. In my mind they all worked out in that they were enjoyable and I don't regret having had them.

I don't think of marriage as a goal or the key to happiness.....I still keep and open mind when it comes to marriage because some of my best years where spent while I was married...... but I have no problem keeping myself entertained as a single guy either.

I don't think of myself as a professional dater because it really doesn't take me long to find a woman that I like spending most of my time with.

I know guys that are Pick up artists that sleep with a 100 women in a year......I have to ask them wasn't there one in that 100 that you wanted to sleep with more than once?

That is what really slows me down....I find one or two I really like and end up spending most of my time with them as opposed to constantly looking for new chicks to hook up with.

[benjio]

Benjio you could not be MORE WRONG ABOUT THAT, with the cheap girls that can be had for 200mil sure you are correct, but there is a league way above that, not saying this girl you met is one, but they do exist, they are semi educated, polite, speak different languages, and pay their own way if they know it’s worth it.
I really do not understand, YOU brought up this conversation, now you seem kind of offended at the conclusions we have come up with, OK. I can get that, she is your friend, and you will come up with your own conclusions. But given the information you provided us how could we NOT make that conclusion. So don’t be too hard on us.

Maritime,
 
I don't at all mean to insinuate you are some kind of monger by saying this, but your experience with "pay for play" girls in Colombia must be considerable in comparison to my own. Here in the states you'll find plenty of girls like you're describing. They like to call themselves "escorts" instead of prostitutes. They go as far as to study what a man likes..sports, books, movies, and they bring those things to the table along with the physical aspects of the deal to make it feel more like a real relationship. Sure, I know about those gals.
 
IN COLOMBIA?!!!! You gotta be [snip]tin me! I mean I'm sure they exist, but you're talking about four leaf clovers here. Think about the amount of time and money a woman has to invest in herself just to become the type of working girl you're referring to. IMHO girls that have the money to do that in Colombia wouldn't resort to selling their flesh in the first place. Perhaps you know something I don't...I've just never ran across what you're talking about SOTB. Polylingual, well-educated, worldly prepagos?!!! IN COLOMBIA?!!!
I've spent considerable time everywhere in the country except Medellin. Who the hell knew what I was missing. MICKI!!!!!....stop holding out!!!!

What post have I written that would give you the impression that I was offended? I DID start this thread, and furthermore, I ALSO NAMED IT!! I'm not blaming that on anyone else. All I said was there are some guys here that assumed the worse, and others that were more indifferent that recommended I investigate a little longer before jumping to conclusions. After a little time has passed, I had to side with the latter, and I'm taking that as a learning experience as I continue to search what I'm looking for in Latin America. How could I be offended though...I assumed the worse myself.
 
Don't get me wrong here folks. There are still plenty of women in Colombia that want to rob your ass blind with the promise of love, hot sex and being together forever. Still plenty of sick grandmas waiting on their granddaughters gringo boyfriend to be their savior. But I honestly can spot that [snip] a mile away, so I don't need to approach every single situation like a girl is going to try and [snip] me over. If that's what she turns out to be, [snip] it. Like DL always says, all I lost was the cost of a cup of coffee and maybe taxi fare. Keep moving to the next one. There's far too little emphasis placed on the adventure of finding what you're looking for here, and far too much placed on actually reaching that goal. Life ain't no sprint gentlemen.

[Zon]

There's far too little emphasis placed on the adventure of finding what you're looking for here, and far too much placed actually reaching that goal.

Hear, Hear!!  Better to be a "Life Hunter" than a "Wife Hunter"- hahaha  Now, AGAIN, I am not against marriage ... in fact, truth be told, I can get a little sappy myself under the right conditions.  If you achieve the former, you probably get the later.

[dennislevy]

Why one poster woud assume that he has had better experiences in Colombia then another poster is beyond me.
 
What I do know is that for a gringo to live in Colombia  or any Latin country is a learning curve. There are gringos who come to Colombia repeatedly or even live in Colombia and they never LEARN.
 
I hope I ve learned. 
 
I travel to and live in cities and towns that most gringos don t know and I try to live in the middle of the culture, no expensive hotel rooms, no gringo wingmen, no wild partying and I ve never paid any woman for sex.
 
In my last 7 months on the road in Colombia with the exception of 3 days in Cali (where I have a very close gringo friend), and a coffee with Mickey one night in Medlelin,  I didnt speak English with ANYONE ESLE.  My only English connections were the  P L board and exchanging messages with some American friends and my son.
 
I met 50 women in those seven months, all of the conversations and dates with the 50 and making love wth SOME of the 50 were in Spanish.  I was a guest and met the families and friends of some of the women in their homes. Some lovers (who lived alone or their kids weren t there) brought us breakfast to their beds.
 
Now that s what I ve done, and I m just starting in Peru.
 
I m not a frightened gringo or a gringo who has had a rough time, I had an incredible three years in Colombia that got better and better as I put together everything I learned, absorbed and observed. As Benjio and Zon said: it is the aventure...the trip that is the emphasis...and in that continuing adventure, I ve had a few.... ....aventuras....jejejeje

And, in an endless ocean of women, in order not to waste time, I have to qualify women. And ANY woman who has an expectation of gifts AS A CONDITION to go out with me, I immediately eliminate. I don t care how beautiful she is...we simply don t have the same values.
 
 
 
 
   

[Calipro]

     This chick made one statement that would have caused me to decide against any hopes of a relationship. When she said "I don't believe in falling in love and staying with the same person forever" she would have fell into the category of "Women I call when I'm in town and looking for fun". There is no way I would try to have a serious relationship with someone who believes that. Have fun with if I enjoyed her company? sure. Otherwise I know I would be taking a big chance on getting let down.

    Researcher

Did you see the movie "Friends with Benefits"?

Call me a hopeless romantic....but it really doesn't matter how many road blocks you set up....you can still fall in love.

[Calipro]

Hey Dennis

I see you made a post about an hour and a half ago from the list of recent post on the home page....but it still hasn't shown up in the forum thread.

How long does it take for your posts to appear....and when they do eventually appear they do not show up at the end of the thread....but rather at the time slot that you originally submitted it.  Pain in the a$$ if you ask me.

How long have they been keeping you in this cage and when do you think they'll let you out?

[Micky]

Wow sure is a lot of different crap on this thread.  A lot of stones being throw,  I know more than you,  you are an idiot,  bla,  bla,  bla.
 
How about we all just live our lives.  If a guy wants to date young girls,  good,  who cares?  If a guy wants to date older women,  good,  who cares?  If a guy wants to take ten years to find a wife,  so what?  A guy wants to send money to some women on the internet,  go ahead.  A guy wants to look for red flags,  green lights and purple haze,  be my guest.
 
Sometimes this board has good honest debate and along with that great information.  Sometimes this board is run amuck with egos.  Sometimes the BS is just too much.  Most all of us do not like being judged,  but we do not mind doing the judging,  and this is in CYBER SPACE.
 
Turn off the computer for a couple of hours,  get a coffee,  beer,  whatever,  go out on the porch,  balcon,  deck,  where ever,  relax,  take a look around at your real world and enjoy it.  it is what we have.
 
Micky

[Researcher]

Did you see the movie "Friends with Benefits"?

Call me a hopeless romantic....but it really doesn't matter how many road blocks you set up....you can still fall in love.

  I watch movies but I don't base how I live my life on them. What my LIFE EXPERIENCE has told me is it is better to move on than try and convince some chick to change her mind about love. Something got her to the point in her life where she came to her conclusion. Too many women in Colombia to waste time with those who view love in such a way, unless you are only looking for a good time! hehehe!


   Researcher

[Researcher]

If a guy wants to date older women,  good,  who cares? 

  Sure, what one guy sees as an old broad another guy sees as a GrandMILF! hahaha!


      Researcher

[Researcher]

Hear, Hear!!  Better to be a "Life Hunter" than a "Wife Hunter"- hahaha  Now, AGAIN, I am not against marriage ... in fact, truth be told, I can get a little sappy myself under the right conditions.  If you achieve the former, you probably get the later.

   Nah, doesn't happen that way for many.


      Researcher

[Fuzzyone]

WOOOOOW ...  are all wife hunters this judgemental?   The woman was a single mom with a background in the hospitality industry.  She was physically, exceptional.   She did not want to be an entertainer, but she did want, and need that high income.   We saw each other for a couple months, and then, something came up. 

She was OK in my book.  Wife material for me? nope.  But, then again, it seems I have this unbelievable abilty to spend time with a woman romantically without contemplating marriage!

  Come on guys I do not see nothing wrong with Zon going to Colombia to date whores. If you look at the whole picture they are a whole lot cheaper and if that is all you can hunt I see no problem. Go get them killer!

[Researcher]

   But if someone goes out with a hooker is that called a "date" or a "freebie"?


      Researcher

[maritime04]

Zon

1, I think most any gringo gets 10 years subtracted from his age.   If you take care of yourself and remain current, the difference could be greater.  That does not suck!

You do not get 10 years back on the “clock of time”; SORRY you simply entered into a country where younger women are more willing to date older men, because of numerous reasons. That’s part of the FANTASY that’s gives me a good chuckle when I see it.
There is nothing dishonorable in what you write, just your occasional chuckle at guys who are looking for more than social network and a good time.
That fantasy of candy land can really twist with a guy’s ego and head, they get off the plane bang the hottest girl they have ever had and then are SOLD into believing that they have become 10 years younger, 30 pounds lights, and brad pits twin, I call it DON JUAN syndrome! What’s worse are the guys who land bang the hottest girl they have ever laid, and think WHOLLY [snip], all this for 50 bucks! POVERTY RULES!!!! (WHEN YOUR NOT POOR)……………………………………………….It’s is very judgmental of me, but it comes from experience I am surprised time and again, and personally do not care either way but it’s what you see.
Calling things how you see them, is not a phobia it’s an opinion, I try to defend them with simple truth, common sense and facts.
Benjio you can insinuate anything you want it’s the internet, the monger charge I can answer, before that word was ever uttered, there were sailors, a limey bunch of rough salts who travel the world in welded together buckets made from cheap dollar a day Bangladesh slave labor, we work 12 hours a day for months at a time toiling with stupid tasks like navigation or chipping paint. The only relief comes in maybe just maybe getting 24 hours or more of FREEDOM in any part of the world! Sometimes it’s more civilized places like Singapore, Amsterdam, Dubai or Hong Kong, other times Djibouti, Cox Bazar, Port Angeles, Apapa, or Chinnia ([snip]nnia) well have to do. What I can say for sure is any sailor WORTH his salt will venture out and explore the world around him, money is never an option, and the only real limit is time. I have stepped foot on 7 continents, and I am positive that more than a few Colombiana’s got there first.

Think about the amount of time and money a woman has to invest in herself just to become the type of working girl you're referring to. IMHO girls that have the money to do that in Colombia wouldn't resort to selling their flesh in the first place.

Money like beauty is relative; I can say pretty much the same thing
Girls that have the money (educatation,travel,estrato 6, bilingual, w/ maids) in Colombia would not resort to meeting strange foreigners they meet online in the first place.
I do not know whether to be offended on your low opinion of Colombian prepagos, or just that you simply did not believe me, or even think it possible simply because YOU have not seen it. Trust me there buddy allot of things are possible that you and I have never seen.
You’re either sheltered or naive to think that the rest of the world does not see the same potential in Colombian women that brought you there in the first place. I have met Colombians in Dubai, Hong Kong, Japan, Europe, even Cairo; pretty much all over the world, they were fairly educated, gorgeous, and HIGH PRICE!!!
You are correct they are far and few between, not easy to find. Unless you know where to look, four seasons Cairo, Raffles Singapore, Pulitzer Amsterdam to name a few. You just have to ask and talk with the right people.  All this is no less true in Colombia, Did you know Natalia pairs was a “prepago”. I recommend this book
http://www.amazon.com/Prepago-Spanish-Madame-Alfredo-Serrano/dp/9589843379
It is a good read. I got the Vibe you were offended at our conclusions and opinions; It was just a vibe. As far as this conversation goes I think it’s pretty much dead, opinions have been stated, arguments reasons out and your pretty much the only one who will ever come up with a conclusion, not that it even matters…

[Researcher]

  Well, I don't get these guys that go to Colombia just to date. There are plenty of women here in the US for that.If a guy wants wife material I can see going outside the country but just to date?

      Researcher

[Calipro]

  Well, I don't get these guys that go to Colombia just to date. There are plenty of women here in the US for that.If a guy wants wife material I can see going outside the country but just to date?

      Researcher

Once you spend enough time in Colombia...have your own apartment and car....live with the same chick for a couple of years....you really start to feel like you live in Colombia and just come back to the states to work.
And if you think I'm ever going back to the US dating scene you've got to be outta your mind. jejeje
I can compromise on a lot of things in my life but the quality of my women isn't one of them.
I actually prefer living in Colombia and plan on going completely ex-pat by the end of next year. That is called having your cake and eating it to. jejeje

[Researcher]

Once you spend enough time in Colombia...have your own apartment and car....live with the same chick for a couple of years....you really start to feel like you live in Colombia and just come back to the states to work.
And if you think I'm ever going back to the US dating scene you've got to be outta your mind. jejeje
I can compromise on a lot of things in my life but the quality of my women isn't one of them.
I actually prefer living in Colombia and plan on going completely ex-pat by the end of next year. That is called having your cake and eating it to. jejeje

  I guess some guys do what they gotta do.....

     Researcher

[maritime04]

If a friend gave you special "kool aid" that turned you into a STUD, can you blame Calipro for slitting his throat, stealing the jug running off into the night never to be found again!!!!
 
For me now the grass is greener on the American side, I will agree for dating Colombia is good, for all the reasons Zon stated, you always have to keep situational awareness. Medellin right now is going through ALOT of drugging’s, couple of expat murders, and high petty crime. One should really understand why this 20's year old paisa in illares is all over you the first night you meet, and it’s not because some magical fairy turned the clock of time and made you 18 again!!
 
I think there’s allot more to do on dates in the USA, but as calipro said QUALITY counts. As for getting married and raising a family in Colombia i would only do it if economically necessary or visa was an issue, since visa is no longer an issue, economically it is more costly to live a western lifestyle in Colombia, that can change if exchange rate were to flip say 3600 COP to 1 USD, which will not happen. Plus security and opportunities and overall safety are greater in the USA. Plus DISNEYLAND is there!!!
 

[Zon]

I guess some guys do what they gotta do.....

I man should do what a man WANTS to do.  CP does

If a friend gave you special "kool aid" that turned you into a STUD, can you blame Calipro for slitting his throat, stealing the jug running off into the night never to be found again!!!!

I would like to add an important point on "youth and vitality"; and a point on "living in the MOMENT." Colombia is different that the USA!

It is easy to discount these things if all you have ever done is spend a week or two in Colombia.  But, if you stay in one city for a couple months, your understanding is likely to change.  Why?  Because "drinking the Kool-aid" and "fooling yourself" implies that one is using a false perspective.   This is in fact wrong.  Forget YOUR perspective for a moment, and imagine what a Colombian man's perspective is ( that is probably YOUR perspective IF you were to live in his shoes).  That is the reality a gringo starts to assume when LIVING in Colombia (or the DR, or Costa Rica, or many other places).

Once this happens, there is a TRUTH to things that seems only illusionary to visitors.   

So, is it possible to feel 10 years younger, honestly?  Is is true that a 45 -60 year old man will be held in a much higher social regard in  Colombia? HELL YES!  Simply, look at Colombian men to answer this question ... I have a Colombian friend that is exactly my age.  He was married in the USA many years ago, to a woman his own age. He returned to Colombia 15 years ago, and today, he is married to a woman of 25 years = most would consider her a knockout.   Over the last few years, before they were married, they might get into a big argument.   Within days, my friend would have another girl just as pretty and seemingly just as willling to be dedicated to him.   Women, not whores, young an beautiful fight for his attention - and always have.   He is not exceptionally handsome, or successful. This is the world in which he lives, no fooling himself.  Who wants Kool-aide?

I do not see the logic, or the necessity, to be handcuffed to only one perception of reality - especially when one is willing, able, and WANTS to change it.