Prepago al Maximo

[Zon]

FT - I was pointing out - for those who are interested - that FAME and MONEY at its base are ATTITUDE and LIFECHOICES.    I did not mean to be rude to the original poster.  I am just sometimes boorish and overconfident:)

But, on to a FAR more interesting point ...  I am not "successful" because I am not married?!?!?!?  And, this one CRACKS ME UP

they haven't even begun to demonstrate any capacity to find, court and marry

I have lived in Colombia and have been in the lobby of a TLC tour.   HONESTLY, getting a girlfriend / wife is about as easy as falling of a log.  If you could see the things (the awfully misaligned relationships and the human wreckage - AUGH!  It was all a FARCE to begin with! 90 % of the time).   But, I digress.

Benijo and Calipro are among the relatively short list of guys active here that do not seem to me to have had "problems" with women their whole lives. ( lo siento, pero lo es verdad )

And, this is a good time to repeat something I have said in the past:  How many of us here have been married once?  To be in a state of marriage, in and of itself, ought not be anyone's goal.   Few of us were unhappy on the day when our first marriage began  ... the hard part lies beyond the bend.

 

[fathertime]

FT - I was pointing out - for those who are interested - that FAME and MONEY at its base are ATTITUDE and LIFECHOICES.    I did not mean to be rude to the original poster.  I am just sometimes boorish and overconfident:)

But, on to a FAR more interesting point ...  I am not "successful" because I am not married?!?!?!?  And, this one CRACKS ME UP
I have lived in Colombia and have been in the lobby of a TLC tour.   HONESTLY, getting a girlfriend / wife is about as easy as falling of a log.  If you could see the things (the awfully misaligned relationships and the human wreckage - AUGH!  It was all a FARCE to begin with! 90 % of the time).   But, I digress.

Benijo and Calipro are among the relatively short list of guys active here that do not seem to me to have had "problems" with women their whole lives. ( lo siento, pero lo es verdad )

And, this is a good time to repeat something I have said in the past:  How many of us here have been married once?  To be in a state of marriage, in and of itself, ought not be anyone's goal.   Few of us were unhappy on the day when our first marriage began  ... the hard part lies beyond the bend.

zon,
you unfairly quoted zulu in your previous post, you cut off his sentence midway through and that changed the meaning of his quote.


Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

.   Few of us were unhappy on the day when our first marriage began  ... the hard part lies beyond the bend.

     I did not mean to be rude to the original poster. I am just sometimes boorish and overconfident:)

 

you don't need to lie, you DID mean to be rude to that poster, why can't you just revel in your attitude without lying about it? 


Fathertime!

[z_k_g]

they haven't even begun to demonstrate any capacity to find, court and marry and ultimately maintain a relationship in SA.

I withdraw this comment.

Zulu

[Researcher]

But, so many of the rest of you guys need to go to chick school !!!!  Keokuk   FAME and MONEY come in many degrees.  No matter what place you are sleeping tonight, its always about "Attitude" and "Confidence"  Take a guy with average income and a good personality, he is "Famous" and "Rich" in Colombia.
 

I disagree. Some relationships fail no matter how much "Attitude" and "Confidence" one has.

 

Really, it is a matter of an ABSENCE of Fame (attitude and confidence) and Wealth (life choices) that creates a lack of attraction for "very desirable women" and "average Joes".   This is the basic truth, especially in first world countries and Capitol cities.  Obviously, things are more relaxed in the campo and smaller towns.

The basic truth is that connection trumps all, even fame and wealth. I am neither wealthy or famous and I have dated many "very desirable women". I've had relationships with women who were definitely "out of my league" in the looks department. How? I found a way to connect with them.

[fathertime]

But, so many of the rest of you guys need to go to chick school !!!!  Keokuk   FAME and MONEY come in many degrees.  No matter what place you are sleeping tonight, its always about "Attitude" and "Confidence" Take a guy with average income and a good personality, he is "Famous" and "Rich" in Colombia.

 

Is this the crapola you went to 'chick school' for?  Once a relationship has commenced a woman can only take so much of this 'attitude and confidence', especially if it is phony 'attitude and confidence'.


I was fairly confident but did not project an outward attitude and did just fine. 
Did you ever consider that you are trying to hone the wrong traits?  Especially for a guy of your rather advanced age, you are soon going to be in your golden years and are you still going to be talking about acting tough and showing attitude at that point too?  These displaying your colored feather type mating rituals are all bs and kid stuff when you hit a certain age.
Fathertime! 

[whitey]

I don't think for a second the woman showed any signs of being a prepago and the mere fact that she showed photos on nice things on her Iphone doesn't equal "I'm a high  maintenance girlfriend accept my terms or move on". Any guy that comes to that conclusion based on that has screaming insecurities if you ask me.

I really don't understand the animosity for Benjio here.  He's seems to me to be one of the least guys insecure guys around.

This woman SCREAMS prepago ... or at least ... a longterm girlfriend you have to pay to be with.  This is obivious ... from her own mouth ... she does not believe in love ....

[Zon]

I am neither wealthy or famous and I have dated many "very desirable women". I've had relationships with women who were definitely "out of my league" in the looks department. How? I found a way to connect with them.

This does not surprise me. 

[maritime04]

I have lived in Colombia and have been in the lobby of a TLC tour.   HONESTLY, getting a girlfriend / wife is about as easy as falling of a log.  If you could see the things (the awfully misaligned relationships and the human wreckage - AUGH!  It was all a FARCE to begin with! 90 % of the time).   But, I digress.

Zon you seem to have this hard on for wife hunters? Why? The odds are against them, they put in money and hours for little to show for it in the hopes of finding someone, (be it younger and hotter) to live their lives with. I respect that most of these guys will treat their wife’s with respect, faithfulness, they have every intention of trying to make a marriage work, and I respect that.
 
In Colombia it’s easy to be a “player” a stud. I will always be surprised in what it brings out in people, In Colombia you can find anything you’re looking for and fool yourself when you find it.
 
”Chic school”, get over yourself, you act like your pulling girls off south beach. You get on a plane and fly through the air with the rest of us and when you land YOUR STILL A GRINGO!!
 
I don’t get the arguments, but I am bored enough to want to know how this story ends, or atleast see a picture
 

[Calipro]

I really don't understand the animosity for Benjio here.  He's seems to me to be one of the least guys insecure guys around.

This woman SCREAMS prepago ... or at least ... a longterm girlfriend you have to pay to be with.  This is obivious ... from her own mouth ... she does not believe in love ....

In my mind the woman has done nothing to indicate that she is a prepago....where did the woman even hint that she would compromise herself for money and what does ones belief in true love have to do with a woman's decision to sell herself. The woman did say that she expects relationships to be enjoyable so I imagine she has some expectations as to what the guy looks like and how he performs in bed. jajaja
I'm sure there are plenty of housewives all over the world that no longer believe in true love and plenty of prepagos that still do..
When I read the first post titled "Prepago al Maximo" and noticed that the post contained nothing about prepagos nor being a prepago...I thought that the exaggeration was meant to insult the woman in question. But now it seems that some of you guys just don't have a firm grasp of what a prepago is.
I wonder if benijo had just used the term interesada to describe the woman instead of prepago.... if this thread would have even gotten much play....although I think it would be a stretch to call her even that.....it would not have been anywhere near as offensive as listening to some of the forum bobos refer to her as a prepago based on what has been written here.
 

[Zon]

I am interested in Benijo's story, and if he wants to PM certain members a photo that is great.  I would advise to not post pictures on a public board.  In the mean time ...

1, Zon you seem to have this hard on for wife hunters? Why?  2, In Colombia you can find anything you’re looking for and fool yourself when you find it. 3, You act like your pulling girls off south beach. You get on a plane and fly through the air with the rest of us and when you land YOUR STILL A GRINGO!!

1, I REALLY do not have a hard on for wife hunters at all!   I just notice that some of these folks define success as  "being in the state of marriage" in, and of, itself.  I don't think "one week wonders"  (or three week wonders) are good for the man or the woman. I have seen and read about people moving in together who do not know each other as human beings (in some cases do not even speak the same language! first time without a translator). The emphasis on marriage as a necessary and desirable condition, rather than as a consequence, seems to be a little "off balance" to me - yet I seem to be one of the only ones here to think so?   

2, I am very aware that there are hidden social dynamics at work in Colombia (or any place for that matter) I did not fall in love with one woman, I fell in love with the CULTURE of Latin America, so I have lived there half my time this year.  I agree that people ought to draw conclusions and make presumptions carefully - there are plenty of mirages in this non-desert.

3, "Chick School" irked some people here; I meant it is a joke.  You know how many Americans don't like Obama because he does not embrace America's exceptionalism?  Well, that is similar to my views about being, and behaving like a Man - a Winner.   I think it is best for a guy to improve himself and apply effort; to think about presentation and attraction; and to be confident and selective. 

(And why would you assume I do not, or can not date "very desirable women" in New York ? - I admit Miami is more difficult:)  It is similar to any Capitol city in South America.
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I forgot who wrote this (maybe Benjio):  If American men were poorer than Colombian men, and if Colombian women were uglier than American women, we would not be having this conversation.    To me this statement could be placed as a header on every page.

[Calipro]

I am interested in Benijo's story, and if he wants to PM certain members a photo that is great.  I would advise to not post pictures on a public board.  In the mean time ...

I don't think that Benijo posting a pic of the woman is a problem in and of it self.....it's the fact that he'll be posting the pic in the context of these posts that put her reputation in ill repute.

I don't know what the odds are of her ever making it back to Houston to lawyer up and sue him for libel and slander jejeje...but my guess is that it would be pretty slim.

Besides I'm sure a good attorney could get him off....to prove libel and slander...you first must prove that the accusation is believable to a reasonable person.

Let's test the theory out:

I said she was a "Whore to the Max" literal translation "Ultimate Whore" common translation

because she was on a public dating site....met me at the hotel bar even though she didn't really know me.
owned an Iphone....wore expensive boots.....told me that her ex's (yes a mean multiple) give her expensive gifts
and last but not least she had traveled internationally.... Oh and I almost forgot....she was really, really hot.

My guess is that a good lawyer could make a strong argument that no reasonable person would believe she was really a whore based on this
thus Benijo would not be guilty of Libel...but certainly is guilty of having poor taste. jejeje

[whitey]

1, I REALLY do not have a hard on for wife hunters at all!   I just notice that some of these folks define success as  "being in the state of marriage" in, and of, itself.  I don't think "one week wonders"  (or three week wonders) are good for the man or the woman. I have seen and read about people moving in together who do not know each other as human beings (in some cases do not even speak the same language! first time without a translator). The emphasis on marriage as a necessary and desirable condition, rather than as a consequence, seems to be a little "off balance" to me - yet I seem to be one of the only ones here to think so?   

Nah, even some of us "wife-hunters" agree with you on that one.  The goal of every trip to Colombia needn't be to drag a wife back with you.  And even if you are looking for a wife, it should be a process and not a single event.

I would love to have had the lifestyle and opportunities of a guy like Benjio when I was in my late 20's/early 30's. 

[fathertime]

(And why would you assume I do not, or can not date "very desirable women" in New York ? - I admit Miami is more difficult:)  It is similar to any Capitol city in South America.
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i don't think you can date 'very desirable women' in the USA...i think you would like to make us think that you can, but i'm not buying it...you are too old now. if a young woman were to see you on the street she would pass you buy and not look twice.  Or do you believe otherwise?

3, "Chick School" irked some people here; I meant it is a joke.  You know how many Americans don't like Obama because he does not embrace America's exceptionalism?  Well, that is similar to my views about being, and behaving like a Man - a Winner.   I think it is best for a guy to improve himself and apply effort; to think about presentation and attraction; and to be confident and selective. 

and you improve yourself by going out and drinking all night and neglecting your spanish studies?  your focus on presentation is meaningless when there is nothing much behind it, most women are going to figure that out pretty quick. 

3, "Chick School" irked some people here; I meant it is a joke.   

your comment about 'chick school' is only a joke now that you are catching crap for making such a dopey remark...  if anything, you have proven that you should go back to 'chick school'....many of the other posters have at least able to maintain a relationship with a SA babe, whereas you are still stranded at first base...as a matter of fact i don't even know if you have made it to first base in a satisfying relationship with a SA woman.

1, I REALLY do not have a hard on for wife hunters at all!  I just notice that some of these folks define success as  "being in the state of marriage" in, and of, itself. I don't think "one week wonders"  (or three week wonders) are good for the man or the woman. I have seen and read about people moving in together who do not know each other as human beings (in some cases do not even speak the same language! first time without a translator). The emphasis on marriage as a necessary and desirable condition, rather than as a consequence, seems to be a little "off balance" to me - yet I seem to be one of the only ones here to think so?   

You are a fool if you actually believe that.  A marriage isn't hard to find in SA (for most of us), it is making it a good or reasonably good marriage that is the goal.  I think we are going to have to create a "How to make a marriage successful"  for guys like you!


Fathertime! 

[Zon]

(good natured pissing match Warning)

i don't think you can date 'very desirable women' in the USA...i think you would like to make us think that you can, but i'm not buying it...you are too old now. if a young woman were to see you on the street she would pass you buy and not look twice.  Or do you believe otherwise?

I'm pretty honest with myself - don't think I'm trying to kid myself or anybody else.  I CAN / DO / AND HAVE dated very desireable women in the USA.  Do I date 26 year old medical students from good families, that are also beauty queens in the USA?  No.  I could not swing that even in my best day.  But, I have a fair shot at dating pretty much any AW 35ish and up in the USA, give or take.

I am beginning to see that there are actually two dating scenes in my life back in the USA.   The one that - you are correct - I have grown too old for; and the one that is made up of 33 - 50 year old women.  Obviously, there are winners in this group. But they are hard to find. Besides my interests, priorities, and lifestyle has taken some of the gloss on "what I have to offer." hahaha  Most of the women that are still "hot" enough to be attractive to me, remind me of the women from Desperate HouseWives.   These women ... they do not interest me, not even for a fling.  To me, they are largly prepagos wearing a different mask.  There are other groups that I have found in the USA where the dynamics are different (more complimentary), but they have their own issues: hippies; fetish; swinger; and thank God for New York City immigrants.

In Colombia, contrary to popular opinion, it is not cake walk to find a medical student, that is a beauty queen from a good family either, by the way.   Can you find a pretty girl? PFFF of course, that is not the hard part.  Can I, myself, find a good girl for the purpose of marriage?  A woman for whom I am a good compliment? Hmm.  It occurs to me, I have not tired yet.

and you improve yourself by going out and drinking all night and neglecting your Spanish studies?  your focus on presentation is meaningless when there is nothing much behind it, most women are going to figure that out pretty quick. 

Well I admit that my Spanish studies have not been as fast as I would have liked.  But, it is a progress.  Besides, I am partying much less nowadays.  You are thinking about the "old me"    Perhaps I am changing my tackle and priorities afterall.

 

if anything, you have proven that you should go back to 'chick school'....many of the other posters have at least able to maintain a relationship with a SA babe, whereas you are still stranded at first base...as a matter of fact i don't even know if you have made it to first base in a satisfying relationship with a SA woman.

From your point of view, you are absolutely right.

You are a fool if you actually believe that.  A marriage isn't hard to find in SA (for most of us), it is making it a good or reasonably good marriage that is the goal.  I think we are going to have to create a "How to make a marriage successful"  for guys like you!

I DONT believe it ... but, there is ample evidence from this board of people who seem to.    As far as making a successful marriage ... yes, that is when all the fun stops I am afraid, and the facts of life begin again.    And with regard to you authoring "HOW to Make A Successful Marriage"?!?!?  YES, SURE!  I wish there was a book.   Fact is, nothing is for sure.  I am certain I am not the only one that has noticed that many of even the "good marriages" that are created this way seem to have an expiration mark on them.

==> Now, I will Shut up and let Benijo continue to tell his story.

[dennislevy]

The word prepago is inaccurate, it s more accurate to define a woman who exchanges sex for cash as a transaction .....as a prepago
 
It might be more accurate to say that one could strongly suspect that the woman Benjio described as a high end courtesan or a a very expensive temporary girlfriend who is NOT interested in striving for committment. 

If she has traveled to the places that Benjio saw in the photos, lives in one of Bogota s best areas, but DOESN T work, and talks to a man at a FIRST conversation about what other men have bought her and later claims that she never asked those men to buy her giftts.....
 
she must have an UNUSUALLY GENEROUS allowance from the relatives in Florida!
the past men in her life were UNUSUALLY GENEROUS

I do think that to talk about gifts fom other men at a first conversation  is SO FAR OFF the norm, but if she is a courtesan, then she has to qualify a man...jejeje that s her job!!!!!! 
 
THE INESCAPABLE FACT is that her lifestyle is SO DIFFERENT then the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of 31 year old colombianas that to suspect that she is a high end courtesan is a very reasonable assumption
 
If Benjio wants to see her again the next time he is in Bogota (and she is available), he may know more.

Benjio, here s my advice. IF you do see her again, take a cab to an estrato 2 neighborhood in Bosa or Suba and walk her into a chicken restaurant ...drop say 30,000 pesos on a meal!!!! Split a half chicken, fries, a side of salad and spring for a big bottle of Postbon
 
You ll know pretty quickly if she is going out with you because she likes you!!!!!
 
jejejejejejejejejejejejeje!!!!
 
Just kidding!!!!!!  But trying to make a point.
 
The obvious play is to take someone like her to one of Bogota s most expensive restaurants, la Fragata, Cafe Renault, etc. 

Dont do it. ................Be creative and do something different....       
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[z_k_g]

I don't think that Benijo posting a pic of the woman is a problem in and of it self.....it's the fact that he'll be posting the pic in the context of these posts that put her reputation in ill repute.

My guess is that a good lawyer could make a strong argument that no reasonable person would believe she was really a whore based on this
thus Benijo would not be guilty of Libel...but certainly is guilty of having poor taste. jejeje

Cali,

I sorta agree with your premise, but...

As long as Benjio discusses this woman in the context of the "Prepago al Maximo" I really don't see any problem with his posts, because she is anonymous.

In fact I don't see any issue with all of the subsequent posters assuming she is a high class hooker or in your words "whore to the max".

I find the whole thread quite amusing, as long as we keep her as an unknown with no face, a characterture if you will.

In that context, Benjio's posts are amusing parables and we can call her mean names with no recourse, refer to this young woman (who most of us have prejudged) as a high class globe trotting slut and click the post button and be amused about what we have written. 
 
But Benjio will cross the line if he makes this personal and posts her picture. 

If and when that ever happened he becomes an A1 As$hole to the max!

Now he will have turned our amusing posts into an unfair attack on a real person.

That would be a new low for P-L.

Zulu

(If Benjio ends up marrying this babe, wouldn't that be some ironic shyt!)   

[whitey]

I have to agree about not posting a photo.  As much as I'd love to see one, I don't think it would be fair to her to post one here.

[Calipro]

Cali,

I sorta agree with your premise, but...

As long as Benjio discusses this woman in the context of the "Prepago al Maximo" I really don't see any problem with his posts, because she is anonymous.

In fact I don't see any issue with all of the subsequent posters assuming she is a high class hooker or in your words "whore to the max".

I find the whole thread quite amusing, as long as we keep her as an unknown with no face, a characterture if you will.

In that context, Benjio's posts are amusing parables and we can call her mean names with no recourse, refer to this young woman (who most of us have prejudged) as a high class globe trotting slut and click the post button and be amused about what we have written. 
 
But Benjio will cross the line if he makes this personal and posts her picture. 

If and when that ever happened he becomes an A1 As$hole to the max!

Now he will have turned our amusing posts into an unfair attack on a real person.

That would be a new low for P-L.

Zulu

(If Benjio ends up marrying this babe, wouldn't that be some ironic shyt!)   

I imagine the original post was meant to have some entertainment value.....but if some of the  posts that followed are indicative of what is rolling around the average wife hunter's head when he meets anything but a poor agency chick....this is some scary shyt if you ask me. If this thread were a movie..... I'd put it on par with a a cheap horror flick....where Dennis Levy is the monster scaring the hell out of everybody. jajajaja

[z_k_g]

I imagine the original post was meant to have some entertainment value.....but if some of the  posts that followed are indicative of what is rolling around the average wife hunter's head when he meets anything but a poor agency chick....this is some scary shyt if you ask me. If this thread were a movie..... I'd put it on par with a a cheap horror flick....where Dennis Levy is the monster scaring the hell out of everybody. jajajaja

Cali,

Interesting point and yet another reason for Benjio to refrain from making this young woman the "slut" poster child.   

Zulu

[dennislevy]

Calipro et al.
 
Here s the bottom line.
 
1. If Benjio can hold the woman s interest, until he goes back to Bogota, maybe they ll see each other, maybe they won t. He s a grown up and he s going to do what he wants.
 
2. it s unfair to post her photo on Planet love....maybe he can post a link to elsewhere.
 
3.What any of us think she is---is irrelevant...that s up to Benjio.....we ve had an entertaining discussion.....some of us have used logic and our Colombian experiences to make informed conjectures, some of us have just let fly....some of us have used the thread to attack other posters.....
 
its just the usual P L mix....jejejeje   

[maritime04]

This thread has some real bearing on Colombian dating, this is Colombia after all. The conclusions that we have come up with were taken on what little information was provided. None of us have actually met this person. We have pretty much stated our opinions; going over it again is useless.
Zon
It seems like you enjoy pointing out the difficulty and slim odds a “wife hunter” has in Colombia. A wife hunter is obviously going to define success with the end results of getting married, short-lived YES, but EVERY marriage has the possibility of failure. Wife hunters know the difficulty of the task at hand, what little actual face time in country they have, to say it’s impossible (or unhealthy) for success is wrong. Wanting to love someone and them to love you, there’s nothing wrong with that, same with dating and living the single life, just little bit lonelier from time to time.
Marriage is not necessary in today’s day and age but for thousands of years it was a contract of economic and political importance enforced by family, community and church. The institution of marriage is defiantly changing in the modern western world. You have trouble understanding why some people on an international marriage website find marriage desirable?? That is basically their intent! Ok you are not the only one in the world who thinks so, but you are defiantly the minority on “planet love”. YES marriage is difficult not impossible…………………………………………………………………………………………………..
I want to hear what exactly do you love about Colombian culture?? The extreme poverty that forces many women to become prostitutes, the culture where mothers allow their daughter to sell themselves? How about a society that runs on the cheap labor of their countrymen? I hear all this talk about culture and progress, and what I see is a very effective elitist group who have successfully convinced the majority of the country to shut up and be happy with what you have. They buy them off with pennies. Oh sure there is alcoholism, and parting, let’s throw some sex in there too. But what exactly are you referring too when you speak about culture? Reggaton? Vallenato ? Their care free attitude? Bandja pasia? Ok I have seen some family unity, they come together to survive day to day, they have been taught not to think about tomorrow so drink and be marry today ok I can respect that. Listen Zon I really am not trying to give you a hard time but culture of Latin America is a corrupt political process intent on enriching themselves at the expense of others.  To say anything other than it’s the women is an insult to your intelligence and mine!! Now you could have FOOLED YOURSELF into believing your own lies, I have seen this many many many times when men try to justify their presence in a poor third world country. Admit the truth, and move on, it’s OK to say I am here to date younger more attractive women then I could date back home. Everything in our society has instilled in us the image of what the ideal women looks like, we are all subject to this.
Zon you didn’t mean anything as a  joke, your opinion of wife hunters is “little school boys chasing a fantasy who get all excited at the first signs somebody is willing to play with them” or that’s how you come off to me, I could be wrong if I am please enlighten us to your opinions of wife hunters?
Why would I assume you cannot date “very desirable women” in anywhere USA………because you get on a plane and travel to a place like Colombia, it’s an assumption yes, NOT AN INSULT, let’s put it this way We can date MUCH MORE desirable women in these countries then in anywhere USA. Why is that so hard to admit? You seem to me to be far more realistic then this, a guy who understands the facts of life.

[z_k_g]

We can date MUCH MORE desirable women in these countries then in anywhere USA. Why is that so hard to admit? You seem to me to be far more realistic then this, a guy who understands the facts of life.

Cali,

A 45+ year old man dating an woman under 25 in the USA?

Yeah, Right!

Do we really have to discuss this, Zon, COME ON MAN!

Ok lets be real here.....

I'm 44, My sweetie is a 21 fairly attractive Asian chick- This just ain't gonna happen here without some serious kilobuck gifts and a hefty monthly shopping stipend with a new car and Iphone in the package deal!!   

And this is just a rental, you are NEVER a potential marriage partner, NEVER.  You're probably older than her mom and dad, imagine that first chat with papa!! 

Hey, sadly the fact is, I don't personally know a female under 34 in the states! 

Most of the women I know are over 40 on their second marriage or divorced, have 2.5 kids and their idea of a hot date is a Papa Johns pizza, a Sex in the City DVD and a good nights sleep when the kids have a sleepover!

I love looking at young women, but if my old ass stares at a young hottie in America then the perv patrol would be all over me in minutes!! 

It just ain't happening here. 

And you can't really meet them unless you wanna make a move on your neighbors tween daughter or her friends or try hanging out at the college bars or nite spots...naw...gosh darnitt, I'm sounding like a real perv here...I don't wanna look that desperate for a young piece!!

In America the feminists have taught us to "act our age".....dammit...f*ck that.....time to book a flight!!!

....when that plane door opens in SA or Asia we are in Disneyland and the hottie candy store is open...18 and up, its all fair game.  You can stare all you like, and then pick and choose!   Lordy!!   

.....As far as young hotties in the US are concerned....

You are as desirable as a roach TURD in chicken soup 

Say it aint so!!

Zulu

[Zon]

Mari

You seem to me to be far more realistic then this, a guy who understands the facts of life.

First off, I did not leave the USA until I was 42 years old.  So, what i found abroad was and is very exciting and fresh to me.  What did I find about the Latin American culture that was so positive?  "The Ability to Live in the Moment"

The things "I LIKE" about the culture are rather selfish:  1, A more relaxed living environment.  2, As a gringo, we all enjoy an elevated social status - business and political.   Introductions come easy, and anything is possible. 3, A wider (different) range of life design - where and how to live; secretary, travel options on the weekend.  4, Obviously, one's dating life is greatly improved.

Perhaps I enjoy the unpredictability, and slight adventure that is in every action?  I can tell you that life in the USA is mind numbingly boring by comparison.

OBVIOUSLY, there are warts in Colombia.  I worked in humanitarian projects last year that forced me to re-think much, not only about Colombia, politics, corruption - but, about the nature of man.   Noble Savage?  Well, the savage part is right.

I am not against wife hunters at all!  I don't know why so many people draw that conclusion?   There is a difference between a guy that plays the lottery EVERY week, and talks about it, and thinks about it; versus a guy that place and wins.  If anything, that describes my view of wife hunters.  We are all on the make in one way, or another.

A 45  year old man dating an woman under 25 in the USA?  Yeah, Right!  Do we really have to discuss this, Zon, COME ON MAN!

Upon reflection, I have had several "flings" with younger American women over the last 3 years.  I dated a 32 year old bar tender at a strip club in Tampa a year back ...  Then there was that one night in a place called a "dungeon" (none of these are relationships, and certainly nothing I would want my mom to find out about

[benjio]

After some serious thought I'm not going to post her picture here. Although I thought it might give everyone an idea of the kind of beauty I was speaking of, and subsequently justify the attitude I had at the beginning of this little adventure, at this point how physically attractive my friend is holds no bearing whatsoever on what this thread has evolved into. I'm also still talking to this woman and have gained a level of respect for her.
 
And just to get this out of the way, Cali, I did not start this thread to entertain. I've been told my writing style is entertaining by many people. But all I'm really ever trying to do is give the reader an accurate rendition of a personal experience. I think if you knew me personally and had an idea of what brought me to this point in my life, your opinions in terms of my dating exploits would probably be a lot different. I may take you up on your offer to show me around Cali, because I miss that city a lot!!!
 
As much as we all know how detrimental it can be to making an accurate judgement of someone's character, we all "judge a book by it's cover" once in a while. It's human nature. Even more so in a place like Colombia, where IMHO the people are just more cut and dry. Colombianos are usually exactly what they seem to be. It's not like here in the states, where you'll run accross a millionaire in old cargo shorts with holes, a faded T-Shirt and flip flops having a value meal at McDonald's (something I saw just yesterday). There's such a stigma on lower social and econmomic classes in Latin America, a significant part of being considered one of the elite depends on your ability to seperate yourself from those that aren't as fortunate as you. When someone in Colombia is rich, you know it. There's no mistake. Even as foreigners we know it. What's even more saddening is the fact that being born poor further eliminates almost any opportunity one might have had to improve upon their quality of life. There are thousands of rags to riches stories in America...in Colombia, they are only fairy tales that very rarely come true. I've made a friend that has lived a fairy tale her entire life. An although I don't completely buy her explanation of why all her boyfriends have been financially well off, I realize that on some level most of us enclose ourselves in the expectations of society. Movie stars date movie stars because that's what they're expected to do. I seriously doubt they never run across everyday people they're interested in.
 
This girl is definitley not a prepago and I'm convinced of that now. I've known prepagos. They don't answer the phone whenever you call because sometimes they're with clients. They certainly don't call you on their own dime because they enjoy speaking to someone about U.S. Politics, Economics, Finance and World History. They don't speak fluent French, and they don't study English for hours everydaty to become exceptional speakers and writers. I, as we've all done at some point, judged a book by it's cover.
 
As hard as it is for me to admit, I now have to agree with Fathertime on some levels in respect to foreign dating. He's expressed on numerous occasions that an attitude of trust and patience when initially meeting and getting to know a foreign girl is usually more advantageous than one of suspicion and distrust. My experience has taught me that there are definitely A LOT of women in Colombia that want to take advantage of gringos, but I think it's counterproductive to initially assume every Colombiana is one of those types as supposed to the contrary. I've recently admitted to myself that if it were more likely for me to encounter these "users" and "prepagos" more often that normal Latinas looking for love, I wouldn't be "wife hunting" in Colombia in the first place.
 
One of the things I've enjoyed more than anything else during my travels to Latin America is meeting new people and being exposed to points of views that are entirely different from my own. My experience with this young lady has definitly been that and so much more. I honestly regret calling this thread what I did, because I'm sure that's not what this woman is....whether you all choose to believe that or not. If I don't take anything else from this, I've learned two things: to approach every single one of these situations with an open mind, as none of us have an idea of what we stand to lose by making assumptions. And that Colombia has so much more to teach me, just when I thought I knew everything about that wonderful country.
 
Happy Hunting Gents.