Prepago al Maximo

[benjio]

You don't need to win the lottery....you need to man up plain an simple....love making skills can go a long way in Colombia;-)

If you can't afford to get married there is nothing wrong for shooting for lover status..

THAT'S THE PLAN!!!! 

[dennislevy]

Lets be real here.
 
The woman showed Benjio lots of photos of her lifestyle, for a YOUNG Colombian woman (31) she has been to a LOT of places, and she talked about relationships with wealthy men and the gifts they had bought her.
 
Let s assume that this woman goes out with Benjio or any man, there hasn t been a sexual encounter and she pulls him into a high end store....and says to him, I really like this or I like that...If the man DIDN T expect it or anticipate it.....he s got no one to blame but himself
 
This woman was as straight forward as she could be with Benjio. For a bar tab and maybe taxi fare, did you pay for taxis, Benjio? (jejejejej) he got an education.  If Benjio wants to take a shot at this woman without spending anything but normal dating expenses....God bless him!!!!! jejejejej
 
in 2008, I was  interested in meeting a beautiful 32 or 33 year old woman at a Bogota agency, and the agency counselor salesman said...
 
she s  gorgeous, BUT you re going to have to put some money into her. She s going to expect gifts. 
 
And I immediately lost interest.
 
I talked wth an agency client a few days later, the man had gone out with the same woman, she told him that her boots were worn out  and he bought her a pair of 60 dollar boots and if I remember, the agency client didn t have sex with the 60 dollar boots girl , she made an excuse not to see him again. 
 
That s down the ladder from the Manolo Blahnik boots that Benjio s amiga was wearing....
 
but if a man feels that is the BEST way to persaude a woman to sleep with him..its not a seduction,  its not a conquista....as Don Corleone would have said (jejejeje), its nothing personal, it s strictly business!!!!
 
Or the man is paying in hopes of satisfying his particular taste or fetish....and the woman knows it.
 
As men.... we have fantasies that a woman who we think is incredibly gorgeous and sexy, but who plays in another league is going to change her way of thinking and living.....   and the man says to himself I am the EXCEPTION,   I have that SPECIAL SOMETHING, I have that MAGIC RAP,  that is going to make that woman want to go to bed with ME...
 
And always he is deluding himself, jejejeje!   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 

[benjio]

DL, I couldn't agree with you more.
 
PLAY BY PLAY OF LAST NIGHTS CONVERSATION:
 
Liz surprised me with a call around 8 last night, but I was with friends at a pub watching the Duke game. She told me she just wanted to see how I was as she hadn't heard from me. I told her I'd call her back when I got home. That was nice. I think anyone that's dated a Colombiana that's living in Colombia can agree that it usually isn't often they'll go through the trouble of making an international call before the relationship is very serious. I got home around 11 and was actually a little buzzed but I always try to do what I say I'm going to do, no matter who I made the promise to. Plus we're talking about a freaking dime here folks.
 
Another woman answered when I called. Again, I thought I dialed the wrong number. When I asked for her the woman told me she was bathing. Talk about a lucky bathroom.   She asked who I was but I accidently hung up the phone before I realized she was still speaking. I couldn't help but wonder who the woman was because Liz told me she lived alone. Liz texted me 15 minutes later asking me to call her again because she didn't have anymore minutes on the phone she uses to make international calls. I called and she answered after the first ring. When I asked who the woman was that answered the phone, she told me "the maid." Mmmmmmmmm...
 
Conversation was just friendly routine chit-chat at first. Every couple of minutes she would tell me to hold on so she could put on her pajamas, or take the towel off her wet hair, etc. To say my imagination was running wild is an understatement. I decided to just drop the bomb to get the conversation stimulated. Liz told me the name of the area of Bogota she lives in. I can't remember it now, but if you go to La Candelaria, you can see apartments up on the mountains that overlook the square. She lives in one of those buildings. From what I've heard they are the most expensive apartments in Bogota, but who knows. "Who pays for all this stuff?!" I asked her. "The apartment, the maid..you don't work!" Liz supposedly has a very wealthy uncle in Miami that owns a Freight Forwarding Company (at least that's how I understood her explanation of the company). She told me she is the only grandchild of the family. Her mother's sister is married to the millionaire in Miami and she can't have children. She went to the United States to study while she was in her teens with the help of her aunt. Her aunt and uncle supposedly adore her, and have provided her with a luxuorious lifestyle since she was born. They pay for everything she has and she gets an allowance every month. Mmmmmm....
 
So of course I couldn't help but ask about her ex-boyfriends next. I told her that it seems like a woman accostumed to that sort of lifestyle wouldn't be able to settle for anything less, even if she fell in love with a man that was much poorer. She told me, "I don't really believe in falling in love and staying with the same person forever. If you are attached to a person, it makes you happy to be with and the feeling is mutual, of course you should stick together...PORQUE NO?!!!" she said. "But human beings are not a monogomous species by nature. Some types of birds and insects, but not humans. Marriage was created by the church for many reasons...none of them being true love." "Okay" I thought to myself, "interesting." Like I've stated before, I've never met a Colombiana that talks and thinks the way she does. I didn't agree with her but she had a valid point.
 
"It seems to me that you choose men that can buy you anything you want though...you can't tell me a poor guy has never tried to date you!" I could sense a change in her tone immdiately. Not anger, but more like the tone you here when someone is swearing they are innocent of an accusation. "NO ES ASI!!!" she said. Liz went on to explain that the men she's been with are more a question of coincidence than anything else. The oil guy was a friend of her uncles, and although her uncle adamantly disapproved she said she was young and having "daddy issues" (again my translation is questionable here..it's how I perceived what she was saying) and wanted to date an older man. She spent a year in Houston with her student visa living with him but he wanted to control her, so eventually she left. Mmmmmmm...
 
The Spaniard she met in Spain while on vacation. She told me no one would know he was rich by looking at him as he lived very modestly, but he did own a large sail boat and sailing was a passion of his. Liz has sailed from Spain to Italy and she showed me beautiful pictures of the Mediterranean. She has a german tourist visa, which she assured me wasn't very difficult to get for a rich Colombian. The trips to Asia she took with friends. I then had to bring up the fact that she made it a point to mention all the things the rich guys had bought her when we first met. This is where the conversation got very interesting.
 
Liz told me she understood why I asked about that, but she did also admit to enjoying the finer things in life. She said one of the main reasons she contacted me is because she saw the Versace Logos on the tie I was wearing in one of my pictures on CC. She told me she didn't think I was rich, just that I appreciated "fashion as an artform." She told me she loves European clothing and shoes but she could buy them for herself. She didn't need a man to do it. She then began to explain that she's never had to ask men for anything. She said most men feel because of the way she looks, that they need to shower her with expensive gifts to keep her attention. She told me expensive gifts aren't necessary...if she likes you, she likes you.
 
We spoke until around 1 a.m. She seemed a little annoyed with my line questioning at first, but I think she got the impression that I was just curious. She also asked why all that was important to me as we are just friends. She told me she wasn't on CC looking for a boyfriend and her profile said that. She was only interested in friendship and penpals. She said Colombian guys bored her, especially after traveling so much and meeting people with a much broader perspective of life.
 
I would never date Liz and I realized that last night. It has nothing to do with the money. She doesn't believe in true love. If I had the opportunity to sleep with her I don't see myself having the strength to say no, and I'd just have to deal with any subsequent emotions of mine or hers after the fact. I told her about the board and she got very curious. Asked a lot of questions. She actually couldn't believe forums like this exist. I've invited her to join but she is embarrassed by her writing in English. I told her she shouldn't worry about it and join anyway as I feel she'd have a lot to offer. She's thinking about it...but I'm almost sure I'll be introducing her very soon.

[dennislevy]

Benjio
 
For a bar tab and a couple of phone calls you netted it out.   WELL DONE!!!!.
 
Whether you believe some, all or none of her back story...doesn t matter. 
 
What matters is that you got to her motivations, how she thinks and how she feels...And you did it by questioning and listening.
 
And again she was straight forward, which as we know is NOT all that common in Colombian women.. She revealed her values and they are different then yours..TOO different.
 
Next!!!!!
 
Put some more prospects in the pipeline.
 
And THANK YOU for putting so much effort into your posts....
 
Dennis
 
   
 
 

[Jeff S]

REALLY tough crowd! Is it that inconceivable to everyone here that a women who grew up in a successful family, perhaps one that had to go through tough times to get where they are, could find love with a young businessman who hadn't yet made his mark in the world - knowing she might have to go through the same things her parents did to someday get back to the lifestyle she enjoys as a dependent child?

I can tell you for a fact that it happens.

[JimD]

Jeff quit with the Walt Disny themes. We're talking about colombianas.

[Dan]

Jeff quit with the Walt Disny themes. We're talking about colombianas.

>>We're talking about colombianas.<<

And we all know those Colombianas are different than every other nationality on the face of the earth.

[sarcasm: off]

- Dan

[Jeff S]

LOL. Yup. And a major contributing factor why I decided Latin America wasn't for me.

[dennislevy]

The woman that Benjio is talking about isn t a child....  she is 31 years old and according to her...

if its true....she is enjoying a lavish and continuing allowance from her rich aunt and uncle in Florida ..NOT her parents in Colombia and.....
 
if it ISNT true.....she s a high end courtesan..
 
BUT She DOESNT believe in love, she told him so...It s right in Benjio s  last post.....
 
Why would she even WANT to change her attitudes about relationships and life?
 
 
 
 
 

[Zon]

Thanks Benjio!  Your post made me think of an lover from several years ago.  She sort of fit the description of the woman you painted for yourself ... different place, different nationality.  But, similar, nonetheless.

She called me from out of the blue today; I am telling you, THOUGHTS ARE THINGS!   Anyway, guess who I am sharing the holidays with?  I will be in New York City eating Borscht and drinking Standard Vodka. 

This woman knows I have spent much time in Colombia over the last few years.   She asked me why I never visit her.  I told her that I was afraid that if I visited her, it is possible that I may never leave.  She laughed and said, the Colombian girls probably have fixed that.   Well, let's see if I make it out with my heart in one piece this time ...

[Researcher]

Thanks Benjio!  Your post made me think of an lover from several years ago.  She sort of fit the description of the woman you painted for yourself ... different place, different nationality.  But, similar, nonetheless.

She called me from out of the blue today; I am telling you, THOUGHTS ARE THINGS!   Anyway, guess who I am sharing the holidays with?  I will be in New York City eating Borscht and drinking Standard Vodka. 

This woman knows I have spent much time in Colombia over the last few years.   She asked me why I never visit her.  I told her that I was afraid that if I visited her, it is possible that I may never leave.  She laughed and said, the Colombian girls probably have fixed that.   Well, let's see if I make it out with my heart in one piece this time ...

 Remember Zon, the wife hunters are here in case you need some advice!   hahaha!


             


         Researcher

[beginthebeguin]

Good God I thought I was the only dyed-in-the-wool romantic here.  Jeesh!!!!! 

[Traveler]

can you imagine having to literally go through hundreds and hundres of responses to finally find one guy that is currently in her city and then taking the time to finally go and meet bendejo just to find out that he seemingly has little interest in her.

Well, honestly the only way to get a girl like that is to demonstrate little interest.  That's why she pursued him, called him herself, even placing an international call.  The irony is that Benjio is not faking it, but is for real - or at least that's what he is telling us  .  I completely agree with Calipro though that it's counterproductive to judge every woman you meet, even before a relationship has consummated, as a potential "wife material" or not.  You don't put the cart before the hourse. 
 
One more thought to consider for Benjio.  I frankly am not attracted to women who are averse to an idea of romantic love and family relationship, but hot women often have other hot female friends who might have opposite ideas about those topics.  If he doesn't want to pursue a romantic relationship with "Liz", why not accept her offer of friendship as genuine?  It might be, or it might be a form of testing him as women like to test guys.  If he becomes her friend, she could introduce women to him that he probably would never have a chance to meet otherwise, and some of them might be on par with "Liz" physcially and believe in love.  And believe me, if "Liz" is anything like what he is describing her, just being seen with her in public will guarantee that virtually any woman he comes across will be instantly attracted to him.  He is really missing an exceptional opportunity I think by double-guessing this girl.

[maritime04]

something is FISHY very FISHY
 
Soooooo shes a very attractive women, who is supported by her family in an upscale lifestyle, does not choose to work even though she is educated. Lives in Bogota away from said family and is looking for pen-pals to engage in chit-chat and conversation becuase Colombian men bore her???
 
she has never asked for a men to buy her anything..............................
 
does not belive in love becuase men/women can not be monogomous.....
 
Wealthy colombians live in a world of their own, attractive wealthy colombians live in a diffrent galaxy, its how that culture is brought up, they only associate with other wealthy people who have a broader perspective of life.
 
I dont buy it, either this is made up, which i do not like to question another persons integrity or i hate to come to this conclusion a HIGH END PREPAGO, of the type associated with political figures, NARCO's and extermly wealthy men, whom fly her out to location as needed.
 
At 31 she is getting older probly forced to use "online connections" as personal contacts dwindle and move on to less used and younger game. The illusion of exclusive beauty and youth combined with little education and a select few women can earn quite alittle fortune around the world, Singapore, Iran, Saudi, Europe i am sure shes seen them all, There are parties in Dubai that will put Vagas to shame, with women imported from ALL OVER THE WORLD.
 
I really hate to be overly critical but ALLOT of this does not add up, the wealth, the age, the beauty and looking online; going to meet a total stranger for a drink??..

 
 

[Researcher]

 I was wondering if I was the only one to catch all that also Maritime. I agree with you.

  Researcher

[Kiltboy1]

I agree with Maritime as well. I think she is high end company for anyone who has the $$$$$
 
KB

[Alabamaboy!]

IMO Colombia has the best of the best, and the worst of the worst when it comes to women. The high maintenance, cold blooded women like you described here are way worse than anything that I have ever experienced in the States. But there are also a lot of super cool, unbelievably laid back and low maintenance women there too....like my wife.

It seems like the women in Colombia fall into one of those two groupings. Like they choose to follow one path or the other.

[Alabamaboy!]

This is another example of a bad trip with a "9-10". I think women who possess that level of beauty who come from Colombia should have  "Toxic: May be hazardous to your bank account" tattooed across their forehead to prevent any normal guys from getting involved with them.

I have yet to see or hear of any guys who had a "9-10" category lady work out well for them. Although I do recall that Sean123 or whatever his name was that used to post here on the forum had what a wife that I would rate pretty high and they are reportedly still together.

[beginthebeguin]

Anyone come to the conclusion that the women is an 'operative' just out there between corporate or industrial espionage 'gigs'. This is starting to sound like a Ken Follet novel. jajajjaja

[benjio]

something is FISHY very FISHY
 
Soooooo shes a very attractive women, who is supported by her family in an upscale lifestyle, does not choose to work even though she is educated. Lives in Bogota away from said family and is looking for pen-pals to engage in chit-chat and conversation becuase Colombian men bore her? ??
 
she has never asked for a men to buy her anything..............................
 
does not belive in love becuase men/women can not be monogomous.....
 
Wealthy colombians live in a world of their own, attractive wealthy colombians live in a diffrent galaxy, its how that culture is brought up, they only associate with other wealthy people who have a broader perspective of life.
 
I dont buy it, either this is made up, which i do not like to question another persons integrity or i hate to come to this conclusion a HIGH END PREPAGO, of the type associated with political figures, NARCO's and extermly wealthy men, whom fly her out to location as needed.
 
At 31 she is getting older probly forced to use "online connections" as personal contacts dwindle and move on to less used and younger game. The illusion of exclusive beauty and youth combined with little education and a select few women can earn quite alittle fortune around the world, Singapore, Iran, Saudi, Europe i am sure shes seen them all, There are parties in Dubai that will put Vagas to shame, with women imported from ALL OVER THE WORLD.
 
I really hate to be overly critical but ALLOT of this does not add up, the wealth, the age, the beauty and looking online; going to meet a total stranger for a drink??..

Maritime,
 
I definitely can't say everything you've mentioned in this post hasn't crossed my mind. It all seemed so far fetched, even as she explained it. At this point, it is what it is. Although I may continue communicating with her on some level, forget about anything more than friendship.
 
I definitely agree with your statement that wealthy Colombians live in a world of their own. Most refuse to even associate with those that don't fell under their social/economic class. I've been lucky enough to mingle with some only because I was a gringo and had a good friend in those kinds of circles. Others have refused to accept me as an equal because I'm black, regardless of my social/economic status.
 
In the end, when you've got unlimited financial resources, have traveled the entire world, and are as beautiful as she is, I can understand a level or boredom with life. Those kinds of girls I know here in the states, and most resort to drugs or something even worse. I think that's the reason she came out for a drink. Pass that, you and I are on the same page in terms of skepticism.

[raycjs]

the bottom line is she is what she is.... it's her life and her choice...
she must enjoy this life or she would not being dong it.
 
 
live life with your eyes wide open.........
 
 
Ray

[dennislevy]

Up thread, Traveler wrote
 
 that you dont put the cart before the horse, that it was counterproductive to judge a woman as wife material before a relationship...(and Im assuming he meant a sexual relationship).

I can t speak for Benjio...but I think at this point he considers himself to still be looking for a wife...And no matter how much or how little of the woman s back story is objectively true (and of course, it didn t hang together) the last thing she s looking for is a husband! 
 
But judging a latina is EXACTLY what a gringo has to do! He has to have some realistic parameters either for what he is looking for in a wife OR even just to pursue a relationship and vamos a ver.....let s see what happens...which is my current MO...
 
and if the woman is OUT of his parameters, then he needs to stop.
 
When the man has the self confidence, experience and knowledge to realistically judge himself and the latina he is meeting, its way easier...easier on the wallet which is a concern for most men, he saves time, he doesn t let himself get jacked around and he reinforces in his mind.....what he DOESN T want.
 
Now if a woman makes it clear that SHE wants a relationship with me and she is intelligent and attractive or more, I m a more lenient judge!!!
 
Benjio mentioned the possibility of friendship with the woman. The concept of AMISTAD and the words AMIGO and AMIGA are so nebulous and can be used in so many different ways in the culture, that s a topic all by itelf.           

[z_k_g]

In the end, when you've got unlimited financial resources, have traveled the entire world, and are as beautiful as she is, I can understand a level or boredom with life. Those kinds of girls I know here in the states, and most resort to drugs or something even worse. I think that's the reason she came out for a drink. Pass that, you and I are on the same page in terms of skepticism.

Benjio,

Very true.

I have found that these type of women are very bored and are always seeking something.

Bored is putting it mildly. 

They are unfulfilled.

As they get older, they get replaced quite easily by the newer younger and hotter models.

Such goes the life of a prepago.

Zulu

[Researcher]

IMO Colombia has the best of the best, and the worst of the worst when it comes to women.

  I agree with this statement and will add the problem mostly is with men who can't tell which is which!

 Researcher

[JimD]

I didn't catch where it was posted but Denns says this prepago is 31. I think I saw Benijo post that he's 31. This is the first time I've read about a guy seeking out a prepago his own age here.