Prepago al Maximo

[Zon]

1, Great TR - well written! One of the best on this board in a long time

2, Sexy, Sophisticated, Elegant- add confidence and a little tease ... that is the kind of thing that would make me consider a second job.

3, and IV point of the woman being honest, and that no woman, regardless of their past, is beyond the capacity of true love and being sincere (although damn rare) is very noteworthy.

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BTW, is it just me, or has anyone esle notices that the women in Colombia that are VERY, VERY, VERY HOT with a little refinement and class are all pretty much like the woman described in Benjio's post (WARNING: this observation applies to NOT-BOGOTA)

[beginthebeguin]

Emeralds in the rough. Diamonds have no soul.

[benjio]

Entertaining account. So she lived in Houston for a year. That means somebody married her or she went a-wall on a fiance visa. Who was it? Being Houston one supposes the oil tycoon but could just as easily have been some un mentioned schmuck. And is the idea that one of her "rich" boyfriends flew her around the world or was it the husband?  Either way I think it's true that Colombians can get visas pretty easily to enter Spain, Egypt and Japan but Germany and France are a different story. The burning question is why is she back in Colombia. And a final question: what part of her story do you believe?

I won't claim to know much about visas or the visa processes...especially as they apply to Colombians traveling to countries other than the United States. She lived in Florida for a few years as a teenager with an aunt, so I'm assuming she probably traveled to and lived in Houston on those papers, but maybe not. Perhaps she was married but just hasn't mentioned it. Jamie's girlfriend was in Germany studying for quite a while recently. I have no idea what she had to do to get over there, but I imagine it can't be too difficult...probably only a question of money as previously mentioned. I would have had a very hard time believing everything she said but the proof of about 200 pictures from all over the world in her iPhone couldn't be disputed. Her in front of the Eiffel Tower, castles in Bavaris, the pyramids, in Tokyo...that, not her beauty, was what kind of intimedated me.
 
I called "Liz" last night and we spoke for about an hour. I haven't done that with any Colombiana for a while. When I asked why she removed her profile from CC, she told me she was getting about 75 messages a day and got tired of trying to sort through them. Against my better judgement I can't help but explore where this is going to go. It's not only the physical attraction, but she's actually an extremely intelligent and vibrant young woman. Her English is decent but she's taking an emersion class somewhere in Bogota. If nothing else, I think I've definitely made a friend that I probably will never consider pursuing romantically. I'm kind of just waiting for her to ask for something so I can prove to myself she's looking for the type of arrangement I'm assuming she is. At this point...what can I say. I'm only human.

[beginthebeguin]

Benjio, with that attitude at least you are considering her as a good well travelled contact who just might become a good amiga. Nothing wrong with that. At least she will keep your life a bit interesting. 

[InnocentVixen]

I think it's funny how guys always assume a girl has to have been married or on a fiancee visa to travel, then again I don't know much about Colombia, but could it possibly be that this woman had a stable financial status to start with?


If I had to guess, this lady is smart and adventurous, has a passport, tourist visa and was not shy to say no to an invitation to travel and she sure made the most out of them, why is she back in her country? easy, she hasn't met one she wants to keep or one that ones to keep her... I might not be half as beautiful and interesting but you guys would be surprised with the things I've been offered, so I guess this hits a bit close home to me.


Had I chosen to follow my dream to travel whenever the chance showed up maybe I would be a little like her by now, maybe she is one of those lucky ones to get to have her cake and eat it too, personally because of the way I was raised I don't dare to risk it.


For all is worth, out of the 3 relationships I've been in, while money has never been my main focus I would say all of them were somewhat financially stable, educated and even a bit on the cheapskate side for some things (this were attributes we shared), so no fancy gifts left over to show off. My point being that I do not think this woman is a prepago and that it sounds like a potential good match for you Benjio, she is not for sale so yes you can afford her, if she is interested in you... I wouldn't talk on the phone with someone over an hour if I wasn't interested but that is just me.


And for anyone out there thinking "yeah right" I say, eat your heart out, if she doesn't turn out to be right he will at least have the time of his life.

[Gato4Astrid]

I own a business. Doesn't pay me half as much as my job and I'm never in the states long enough to seriously help it grow. I've considered rolling the dice and doing my own thing full time, but I've never been much of a gambler. Walking away from what I earn from my 9-5 job would be madness in this economy.

What about expansing your business or have another one?

[dennislevy]

I m looking a this from the POV of a 58 year old man..who even IF I had the scratch to pay to keep this type of woman, I wouldnt do it.
 
There are men who think that maintaining a gorgous woman in return for showing off a trophy in public and (hopefully) wonderful sex in private...is an equitable tradeoff.
 
And it is what it is..... a commercial trade.... luxury and gifts and some folding money  etc in return for her company and sex....for a finite period of time
 
Things to remember
THERE IS NO MAGIC VAGINA.
Intelligence, beauty, vibrancy has NO relationship to values
A woman isn t MORE special because she has a lot of stamps in her passport and she is wearing expensive clothes....all of which probably were gifts from men. 
And if she has siliconas (which probably were paid for by a man), its part of  a product package, in part to attract certain types of men.
 
I m not saying that those certan types of men are good or bad or she is good or bad...THE QUESTION IS....is a woman like this GOOD for you?
 
and this is for Benjio.....You ve spent what?  3 hours talking to this woman ...two or three in the bar and an hour on the phone.....You want to wait unto she may ask you for something...or you want to try and prove to youself that she isn t a prospect for a real relationship?
 
Cut to the chase and ask the questions....
1. How did  you live in the US, what kind of visa did you have?
Do you currently have a visa to travel to the US?
2. have you been married before? Or had a fiancee visa ot the US or another country?
3. And my favorite.....Liz, please I am not judigng you or critizing you, but why have you chosen this life style'
 
That should be enough to regain your better judgement.....jejejeje
 
Dennis

[Jeff S]

Geez - tough crowd. If she's beautiful, has traveled, and has nice taste in clothes, she's gotta be a hooker? Obviouosly I'm nieve when it comes to Colombia. Beautiful, well traveled women with nice taste were the only ones I'd ever consider dating when I was single and that included in Latin America.

[mudd]

Geez - tough crowd. If she's beautiful, has traveled, and has nice taste in clothes, she's gotta be a hooker? Obviouosly I'm nieve when it comes to Colombia. Beautiful, well traveled women with nice taste were the only ones I'd ever consider dating when I was single and that included in Latin America

haha  funny jeff, its a TOUGH croud      i would say this lady is no different than the girls in San diego who go to the most expensive clubs downtown looking for a professional ball player, being football, baseball ect.  they know what they want and wont settle for anyting under some guy making  $ 1,000,000  a year. you just got to be smart about it and know deep down, its all about the $$$$$

[chameleon]

Well, I think the concern is that a woman like that can go out with anyone and she's chosen to only go out with very affluent men. That doesn't make her anything but picky and if she's got the looks, she can probably continue to get away with it and marry very well. Why shouldn't she maximize what she can get as long as she doesn't hurt anyone along the way? We're all doing it.


Ultimately, she may go out with you for a while, but there's obviously an increased chance she will upgrade when the chance comes along. I dated a woman like that before and I had fallen pretty hard for her so it sucked when some guy from a VERY wealthy family came along and whisked her away. It's a risk you run when you date the most attractive women.


When i went down to LA, I was looking for someone that was attractive among other qualities, but i wasn't looking for a 9 or a 10 because I would worry about my ability to hold on to a woman like that once she was back in my country because I've got neither model looks nor a massive bank account. It's frequently not that simple, but most people have a combination of factors that combine to make up some minimum standard and those are important factors.


Maybe i'm too cynical, but i think that once many women figure out what they're worth in the  market, and they will, it can become hard for them to resist the idea of upgrading, especially once their friends start putting those ideas into their heads. I'm undoubtedly influenced by my own history with women but for me, it wasn't worth the potential aggravation. In a relationship with a woman like that she's going to eventually have all the power. My preference is for something more equal.


If you're in her league as far as looks are concerned and you have a solid income, that may be enough to hold on to a woman like that, but if you're neither really good looking or very affluent, based on her past experiences she may continue to long for something more given that she's already experienced it.


As they say, it's better to have never had something than to have had it and lost it. Once you become accustomed to luxury, it's very hard to live without it. I know that with regards to my own preferences and i've seen it in others that had money and lost it.


This woman sounds like she's accustomed to luxury, which is a lifestyle well beyond what a bloke making a low six figure income can afford. Since you've got the benefit of time down there I'd probably see where it goes but do some honest self-evaluation. Who knows, she may have learned that money doesn't buy happiness from all those rich guys. My ex used to tell me the same thing, and that she'd learned her lesson, but as soon as a really rich guy came along that wanted to marry her, she was engaged and married. Maybe they were madly in love but it seemed fairly convenient to me that his family was worth over 100 mil.

[Jeff S]

Well, I married a well traveled 10 with expensive tastes, from a well off family. She just knew how to budget. She hasn't shown any signs of wanting to upgrade through good times and bad - at least not so far, and I doubt at this stage, there's much of a chance.

[benjio]

and this is for Benjio.....You ve spent what?  3 hours talking to this woman ...two or three in the bar and an hour on the phone.....You want to wait unto she may ask you for something...or you want to try and prove to youself that she isn t a prospect for a real relationship?

DL, I definitely can't say you're wrong, but at this point I'm enjoying the process of getting to know her too much to stop. If what she's looking for is a sponsor with unlimited financial capability then I'm absolutely sure she won't have any trouble finding him very soon; but I can assure you it won't be me. Above anything else this is probably the most interesting woman I've ever met in South America, and for that she gets the pleasure of my undivided attention, if only for a little while. I laugh to myself as I type this, but when I asked her why she removed her profile from CC last night, I half expected her to say, "because I've found what I was looking for!" (in reference to me of course). "Sigh...." One can only dream... 
 
Don't get me wrong here folks. I'm 99.9% sure of what I'm dealing with and I'm not taking all this TOO seriously. During my unrelenting search for the Colombiana I'd like to spend the rest of my life with, I found one I enjoy spending a couple of hours an evening with, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm 31, single, very successful for my age and I love women. Not just for sex, or companionship, but I'm someone that appreciates every aspect of femininity. There's only two of my ex's I'm not still very good friends with and one of those is from Barranquilla. I like spending time with women. I like talking to them...especially when they have something interesting to say. I know where this thing with my new friend is headed, and I seriously doubt I'll have any regrets when we reach the final destination. I think the only question I'm presenting to myself is what I would do if the impossible happens, and she begins to behave as if she genuinely wants something serious, and all the experiences she shared with me are simply adventures from her past that are no longer important to her. In that case, I tend to agree with Chameleon. I have yet to meet a woman who's gotten accustomed to living in luxury and would accept anything less if she still had the "tools" to maintain that lifestyle. I want a wife...not a sugar baby.
 

"you're in her league as far as looks are concerned and you have a solid income, that may be enough to hold on to a woman like that, but if you're neither really good looking or very affluent, based on her past experiences she may continue to long for something more given that she's already experienced it."

By the way Cham, I'm ugly as hell and all damnation. But you know what, at least I'm fat and broke too. 

[dennislevy]

OK Benjio,
 
Fair enough! jejejeje
 
Now what s your budget for an attempt at a sexual conquista  of this woman? Don t answer on the board, jejejeje....
 
Just ask and answer yourself!!!!!

[robert angel]

 
Things to remember
THERE IS NO MAGIC VAGINA.
Dennis

Oh Denisssss--you don't read a lot of adult magazines, no?

[dennislevy]

Robert
 
No I donnt!!!!! jejejeje.
 
If  a spectacualrly gorgeous woman has got financial and maintance expectations that are OUT of a man s reach,
 
the sex (or the MAGIC VAGINA) will NOT completely erase his fears...of going broke by sending too much on or to be with her, of losing her to someone else, of her manipulating  him, etc, etc.
 
Ive listened to more then a couple of gringos who told me.....I SPENT THIS MUCH on her and we went to bed a couple of times....and THEN SHE PULLED THAT $%&/!!!!!!!
 
Much easier to date women whose expectations a man honestly considers to be within his reach and his means.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   

[Zon]

If  a spectacualrly gorgeous woman has got financial and maintance expectations that are OUT of a man s reach,
 
the sex (or the MAGIC VAGINA) will NOT completely erase his fears...of going broke by sending too much on or to be with her, of losing her to someone else, of her manipulating  him, etc, etc.
 
Ive listened to more then a couple of gringos who told me.....I SPENT THIS MUCH on her or , we went to bed a couple of times....and THEN SHE PULLED THAT $%&/!!!!!!!
 
Much easier to date women whose expectations a man honestly considers to be within his reach and his means.

One of the odd things I see here, is the presumption that every time a guy talks to a woman, he is looking for a wife.  Where did I miss THAT rule?   What the hell is wrong with a good old fashion, life changing, energy giving, never to be forgotten FLING?   I have been lucky enough to have more than my share, and come to think of it, they all cost me plenty (but not dearly).  And, I would not have changed a God Damn thing.  In fact, my only regret is that I did not take advantage of more opportunities when exceptional women where so generous to find an interest in me. ( I thought I was being "virtuous"  PFFFF Crock of poop)

I think Benijo responded well above, and we should enjoy his report and try to learn something from the experience if possible.  EAT DRINK AND BE MERRY ... for tomorrow we may die.

[JimD]

I think it's funny how guys always assume a girl has to have been married or on a fiancee visa to travel, then again I don't know much about Colombia, but could it possibly be that this woman had a stable financial status to start with?


If I had to guess, this lady is smart and adventurous, has a passport, tourist visa and was not shy to say no to an invitation to travel and she sure made the most out of them, why is she back in her country? easy, she hasn't met one she wants to keep or one that ones to keep her... I might not be half as beautiful and interesting but you guys would be surprised with the things I've been offered, so I guess this hits a bit close home to me.


Had I chosen to follow my dream to travel whenever the chance showed up maybe I would be a little like her by now, maybe she is one of those lucky ones to get to have her cake and eat it too, personally because of the way I was raised I don't dare to risk it.


For all is worth, out of the 3 relationships I've been in, while money has never been my main focus I would say all of them were somewhat financially stable, educated and even a bit on the cheapskate side for some things (this were attributes we shared), so no fancy gifts left over to show off. My point being that I do not think this woman is a prepago and that it sounds like a potential good match for you Benjio, she is not for sale so yes you can afford her, if she is interested in you... I wouldn't talk on the phone with someone over an hour if I wasn't interested but that is just me.


And for anyone out there thinking "yeah right" I say, eat your heart out, if she doesn't turn out to be right he will at least have the time of his life.

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I am always impressed with how well written the posts by the above poster who evidently hails from Mexico are. I would wager that not a single guy on this forum has ever even dated a colombiana who is capable of writing so fluidly in perfect English without a single error and sounding for all the world like a US university educated writer the way our IV does. I can only imagine the huge spike in successfull relationships if colombianas could communicate with us that well in English with it being a second language for them and all.

[dennislevy]

Zon et al,
 
My posts on this thread in NO way implied that a man worrying about maintenance expectations from  a woman HAVE ANTHING to do with finding a wife, or thinking of a woman as a potential wife.
 
lets call this kind of woman (that Benjio presented) a COURTESAN....
 
And COURTESANS (or long term prepagos, if you will) require maintenance, its part of the deal. TWO differences between a hooker or a prepago and a long term prepago or a COURTESAN is the amount of money and the amount of time spent with the man.....A COURTESAN requires regular maintenance (gifts, trips, money, sometimes a home) in return for the time she spends with the man
 
And the point is that if a man can t afford to or doesn t want to pay the upkeep for a courtesan, he shouldn t start....

Sometimes a courtesan is satified wth one client at a time, sometimes they juggle more then one...
 
My favorite courtesan story.
 
In Paris in 1795, one of the leading courtesans of the day, Rose de Beauharnais was introduced to a very young army general by her current client, Paul Barras. Barras was one of the political leaders of France and he was looking to dump Rose (who was a shopaholic)  and obligate the young general to him.   
 
She slept with the young general who inconveniently fell in love with her.

They both thought the other was RICH and had seizeable estates from where they came.....In fact, she was supported by her clients and he was poor.   She was from Martinique in the Caribbean, he was from Corsica in the Mediterranean . He gave her a new name, didnt care that she was 7 years older then him and he married her.
 
She is known to history as Josephine, Empress of the French and the impatient groom was Napoleon Bonaparte.
 
 

[Researcher]

Geez - tough crowd. If she's beautiful, has traveled, and has nice taste in clothes, she's gotta be a hooker? Obviouosly I'm nieve when it comes to Colombia. Beautiful, well traveled women with nice taste were the only ones I'd ever consider dating when I was single and that included in Latin America.

      Careful Jeff S. this crowd may label you a gigolo! hahaha!

      Researcher

[fathertime]

Maybe i'm too cynical, but i think that once many women figure out what they're worth in the  market, and they will, it can become hard for them to resist the idea of upgrading, especially once their friends start putting those ideas into their heads.
 

Regardless of how incredible a woman looks, once you have built up time/history/children the idea of jumping ship is not anywhere near the forefront of their mind.  AS far as I'm concerned that is how it should be.  I suppose one key is to get to that point with the woman of your choice. 


Fathertime!   

[Traveler]

The issue with a woman wanting the most wealthy guys she can get (apart from the fact that I am not a millionaire myself  ) is that financial stability is not guaranteed.  A guy may be wealthy today, but next year he could have financial problems.  This happens very often, and most people, even very wealthy ones, do have periods when they have to struggle.  Well, those women will leave you in moments like these. 

[maritime04]

I agree with denis cut to the chase and ask some direct questions?
 
It seems like you are waiting for her to ruin this for you by asking for money or gifts openly, life is never that direct, if your hooked you will be buying her stuff with no complients, you wont even be able to tell your being played...
 
Good point Traveler i think thats where denis was going, CHEMISTRY plain and simple, it comes after lust and sexual attraction............................
 
Zon wife hunters, look for wife potential in every women they meet, its why there called wife hunters.......................
 
curious why she deleted her cupido page, why she was even on cupido to begin with? high end girls like that dont meet guys on line, they have their circle of friends, clubs and bars ect...ect.. especially in bogota where she can find a Colombian more wealthy then half the guys looking in cupido. especially if you think NARCO. just my opinion

[Zon]

My favorite courtesan story.
 
In Paris in 1795, one of the leading courtesans of the day, Rose de Beauharnais was introduced to a very young army general by her current client, Paul Barras. Barras was one of the political leaders of France and he was looking to dump Rose (who was a shopaholic)  and obligate the young general to him.   
 
She slept with the young general who inconveniently fell in love with her.

They both thought the other was RICH and had seizeable estates from where they came.....In fact, she was supported by her clients and he was poor.   She was from Martinique in the Caribbean, he was from Corsica in the Mediterranean . He gave her a new name, didnt care that she was 7 years older then him and he married her.
 
She is known to history as Josephine, Empress of the French and the impatient groom was Napoleon Bonaparte.

Excellent story and underscores that life is a marathon, not a sprint. 

Regardless of how incredible a woman looks, once you have built up time/history/children the idea of jumping ship is not anywhere near the forefront of their mind.  AS far as I'm concerned that is how it should be.  I suppose one key is to get to that point with the woman of your choice

As long as her union is not a social embarrasment in her new country, as long as the woman is minimumly happy, as long as the man is not a complete a$$ ... I think this is more that one key: perhaps it is the whole enchillada.

[Calipro]

I agree IV. I've never had a problem with expensive women, just those that hide their expensive taste behind "sick grandmothers." I didn't see her as being out of my league per se. In the end, I just couldn't afford her, and I knew that. Outside of the money issue, I had the funnest date I've had in months, and with one of the most beautiful women on Earth handsdown. To be honest, I've never met a Colombiana IN Colombia that had traveled the world, and that life experience mixed with her intelligence made for a very enjoyable conversation.
 
So yeah, moral of the story...I need to win the lottery or something.

benjio

I have read your posts in the past and liked most of them and thought you had your head in the right place....but this post has me wondering what is going on with you.

You don't need to win the lottery....you need to man up plain an simple....love making skills can go a long way in Colombia;-)

If you can't afford to get married there is nothing wrong for shooting for lover status..

[Calipro]

I agree with denis cut to the chase and ask some direct questions?
 
It seems like you are waiting for her to ruin this for you by asking for money or gifts openly, life is never that direct, if your hooked you will be buying her stuff with no complients, you wont even be able to tell your being played...
 
Good point Traveler i think thats where denis was going, CHEMISTRY plain and simple, it comes after lust and sexual attraction............................
 
Zon wife hunters, look for wife potential in every women they meet, its why there called wife hunters.......................
 
curious why she deleted her cupido page, why she was even on cupido to begin with? high end girls like that dont meet guys on line, they have their circle of friends, clubs and bars ect...ect.. especially in bogota where she can find a Colombian more wealthy then half the guys looking in cupido. especially if you think NARCO. just my opinion

I can see wife hunters looking for wife potential in every women they meet....but what I can't understand is why any guy in his right mind would politely show an extremely hot woman the door so to speak after such a short encounter.

I have no idea why the women joined Cupido but I have little doubt why she took her profile off.....can you imagine having to literally go through hundreds and hundres of responses to finally find one guy that is currently in her city and then taking the time to finally go and meet bendejo just to find out that he seemingly has little interest in her.