Losing Your Advantage

[z_k_g]

All,

Here is a really insightful rant from one of my favorite websites www.StickmanBangkok.com.

I'm copying it here, the actual link is below the article....

Enjoy!!

Zulu

Losing Your Advantage
 By Mississippi Stan

The other weekend while tending to my stall in a flea market on the outskirts of town, I witnessed a sixty something local man with what had to be his young, teenage bride from the Philippines. She was walking from vendor to vendor while he followed her pushing a baby stroller with what must have been their baby.
 
 Now, I'm not a prude. It's cool with me if the older guy wants to be a baby daddy, but he's at least 60 and she must have been legal age but looked 15 or maybe 16. (Many Asian women look younger than their actual age, at least to me.) And she was hot. I'm talking footsteps smoking where she walked, lava hot!
 
 Good for him, right? Live life to its fullest and all that. But the young bucks were stopping and staring. He had brought a doe deer into the den of flea market coyotes. I descretely watched, but I would never do anything to break up a family or hurt an old man.
 
 Anyway, the old guy didn't look very wealthy. He wore work clothes and was slightly bent over from what I suppose was a lifetime of hard work. (Once a manager of a car lot told me that a farmer pulled wads of money out of his overalls and paid cash for a new pickup truck, so who knows what a guy's really worth.) If the old man still has to work for a living then he has to leave his beautiful bride all alone and she has all day to consider her options, which are many. Good luck, ole' timer. You're going to need it.
 
 This weekend I encountered almost the same situation with a fifty something year old guy and probably a thirty year old, Asian woman also from the Philippines. They were walking in the mall and the man was pushing a baby stroller. But this guy married a pleasantly plump, not fat, average looking lady. Nobody would walk through fire for her, but she was cute enough and just the right thickness for great lovemaking. I think this guy has a much better chance at a long lasting marriage than the first guy. But I could be wrong.
 
 My point in all this rambling is that when you bring a bride back to America from one of the poorer Asian countries, you lose the advantage you had in getting her in the first place. Your new bride can take half your stuff if she takes a mind to. That tropical beauty can make you pay child support until your children reach eighteen years old and maybe even college tuition. And what about spousal support? She can sleep with every man in town, and you still have to pay her every month as long as she doesn't remarry.
 
 Alright, let's say you are one smart dude. You get her a lawyer before you marry her who speaks Tagalog or Thai or whatever. She signs an air-tight prenuptual agreement. So, you are protected, right? Wrong! What judge in the USA is going to enforce a contract against a young, exploited girl married to a sixty year old, dirty man? (The judge's opinion, not mine.)
 
 Not your gal, your lady is special. She would never leave you or cheat on you. She has old fashioned family values that still exist in the Far East. Maybe,... but will she retain those values after she's exposed to American daytime television? When she is shopping and a fellow Filipino talks to her in their common language and tells her what a loser you are and how she should trade up, will she listen? When Captain Studly decides he wants a piece of that, will she surrender to an abs six pack and a thick head of hair? Are you sure?
 
 Don't forget that you are a bad, evil man that the government has passed all kinds of laws to keep you in check. Ms. Boxer got a law passed that makes it illegal to marry someone you meet on the Internet without actually traveling to their country and meeting them in person. No more ''mail order brides'', you bad man. George Bush signed that one into law. Bush also signed a bill that makes United States law follow you all across the world in every country. Basically, you are owned by America and break any American law in let's say China then you could face American jail even if said act is perfectly legal in China. Look it up if you don't believe me.
 
 Maybe, you've had enough. You are going to take all your money, move to Manila, and apply for Philippine citizenship. First off, you'll never become a full citizen with all the rights of a born native in most countries that I've read about, exception being the United States of America. Secondly, thanks to Representative Charley Wrangle who attached it to a bill, if you give up your United States citizenship then you are subject to a fifty percent tax on all your assets. It's true! Plus, the IRS expects you to still pay income tax for ten years after ditching your citizenship. Again, too crazy to be true, but it is!
 
 As I write this, the Philippine government is cracking down on "human trafficing" i.e. the police raid a bar that has hookers in it, rescue the women, put it all on television, and tell Washington to send more foreign aid. And for being such good world citizens and protecting legal age prostitutes from bad, evil men the current administration will send them hundreds of millions of your tax dollars to them for a job well done. Yahoo!!
 
 As a side note, an American cannot take over $100 in coinage out of the USA. It is illegal! Also, try taking over $10,000 out of America in cash, and you may end up being raped in a federal prison. Yes, prison same sex rape happens all the time and most goes unreported. Isn't it great to have so much freedom?
 
 Now that I've no doubt been added to a list on some government database, back on topic. Your ability to fly to the other side of the planet and find the love of your life is based on your having more buying power than the local populace in let's say Thailand. But what happens when one of your dollars is worth one Thai baht? Suddenly, you aren't worth anymore than a Bangkok taxi cab driver. Do you really think that Thai beauty is going to like you more than the local dude who speaks her language, is her same age, and shares a common heritage?
 
 Like lots of men, I dream of retiring one day to a tropical paradise in the Far East. But that may be a pipe dream. The dollars, euros, and pounds piled in your bank accounts seem to lose value every day. Governments claim little or no inflation while the price of bread rises constantly. If you have gold bricks or silver coins, they just sit there not making any more money for your old age. (Their dollar value may rise but they only store wealth against inflation. They don't make you any wealthier than you were when you bought them.)
 
 Even in the poorest state of the United States of America, Mississippi, there is a definite trend of men traveling to Asia to find their bride. Ten years ago, you would almost never see a local guy with a foreign bride. Now, it has to be a big percentage of marriages, especially among older men. And good for them. With the local women acting like bullies and looking like hippos, there aren't many good options. Damned if you do; damned if you don't.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2011/reader7023.htm

[dennislevy]

Zulu et al

I agree with everything in this post with ONE exception.

I do support the legal requirement that a man show evidence that he has traveled and physically met the woman that he wants to bring to the US as his wife or fiancee.

You coud substite colombiana (or latina) for filipina and I still agree. One reason I v enever dated very young women in Colombia and I ve gone as low as 30 or 31...is that I don t want to look like a fool wth a very young girl.

And the sentiments expressed in the article are some of the reasons that I continue to live out of the US.

Dennis

[JWR]

And what do you think of the article Zulu?  It sounds like you are going to marry a 21 year old.
 
I don't believe in age discrimination.....  If the girls discriminated, we would be in big trouble...ha ha.
 
I hear of so many of these marriages working out with happy families.  The only thing that is of concern with such a young girl is that they are still in the process of developing, and growing up. 
 
So you really don't know what sort of person they will grow into, and if that plan will include you in the future.  Sometimes I think the girls have the best intentions, and start out completely committed, and in love.  But over time, what they want changes after they get here.
 
They grow up, we mostly stay the same......
 
The question is, how do you know your girl is different?  How do I know the 25 year old that I'm going to see in a couple of weeks is different?
 
Age gaps are not a problem when they are still in the Phils.  "Age is just a number"  "I want a mature man that won't cheat" "Looks aren't that important" "Age gaps are normal in my culture"But once they are here, and then later single again on Match.com, you can't seem to find a filipina that wants to date a guy with more of an age gap of 5-7 years. 

 
 

 

[Bob_S]

As a side note, an American cannot take over $100 in coinage out of the USA. It is illegal! Also, try taking over $10,000 out of America in cash, and you may end up being raped in a federal prison.

In that, he is wrong.  You can pretty much take out almost as much as you like.  We've transferred large sums of money from Japan to the U.S. and from the U.S. back to Japan, well in excess of $10k on several occasions.  The receiving country just wants it noted and declared.

Other than that, I have no complaints about what he wrote.

Correction, the more I check his facts, the more I question his rant.

[z_k_g]

JWR,

Hey dude I got your phone message, I'll hit you back this weekend!

I posted this article just to invoke some conversation on P-L not only about age difference but the other issues brought up by Mississippi Stan.

What do I think of the article? 

My overall impression is that the author has never heard of Planet Love! 

Before I discovered this website, I felt as cynical as this article, at least about the relationship part.

I was unsure, worried and fearful of exactly the scenario that Mississippi Stan laid out. 

Articles like this litter the internet and for the most part sing the same old song of despair and ultimate failure and that your relationship with your pinay (or any foreign bride) will always end with her becoming a runner.

I used to swallow this crap hook line and sinker.

I had no clear cut guidance, no one to talk to, no one to get unbiased honest advice from and the whole process seems daunting at best.

Then I discovered P-L.

My relationship?

Good question. 

I'll give you the long Answer. 

I really don't know myself...honestly... I can't predict the future!

But...I think I've picked well, my sweetie is responsible and very settled and very devoted. 

She's happy and I'm happy.

We have plans and pretty much take one day at a time. 

I spent a long time finding her and rejected a lot of offers from pinays that looked hotter and offered much more fun, excitement and lots of sex.   I chatted with some pretty settled pinays who wanted families, a great life in America and an opportunity to make me a happy man. 

All in all some great young women.

It was a hard selection process, I will admit, but once I met my princess, I knew my search was over and I hadn't even seen a good picture of her.

I fundamentally think that a good relationship has its foundations in self esteem or self love.  If you love yourself you have the capacity to love others. 

Now add a solid family upbringing to that with good morals and ethics you have a woman capable of a long lasting relationship.

Thing is, a solid upbringing has nothing to do with wealth or education. 

Now, I really don't have a desire to marry an uneducated woman, so that's a requirement but an education means nothing in and of itself.  Education doesn't guarantee quality, but you don't want an ignorant woman raising your kids or minding your house.  Enough said.

If you are in the Phils more than likely your sweetie will be of modest means.  Ethics (rules to live by) and morals (knowing the difference between right and wrong) have less do with how much money you have and more to do with what we term family values.

But that is the purpose of places like P-L and that's why we have these types of discussions.  That's why long time posters here strongly recommend you travel to her home and meet your sweeties family and friends.  In this short time we educate you on what possible red flags to look for to determine if your pinay is right for you. 

The tools are available here and the instruction is provided for free.
 
Life is about decisions and when all is said and done we all have to make them ourselves and then take responsibility for the consequences of our actions.

While P-L can help guide you, the choice is ultimately yours.

Yes your young hot pinay wife can leave you at a drop of a hat once she comes to the US.
 
Can P-L prevent that? 

No. 

But it can guide you through the process and give you the right tools for YOU to make a good selection and find a life mate.

We need to spread the word.

Zulu Out

[Researcher]

     Entertaining at least! Could it be these filipinas have an expiration date? hahaha!

    That seems like a typical reaction by many who see an older guy with a young woman.But these are things to consider when bringing a younger bride back to the US.The risk is there.My wife is 10 years younger than me but she looks even younger.No problem for me I have been with alot of attractive and younger women.I don't pay alot of attention to those who look and judge.When I notice that happening one phrase comes to mind: "Eat your heart out!" hahaha!

      It sounds like the guy who wrote that is doing alot of speculating to make himself feel better because he probably goes home every night and snuggles up to his pillow in an empty bed! hahaha!


      Researcher

[Ray]

　
IMHO, the author of the article is full of crap!
　
His "facts" are all messed up. Bob pointed one out about taking money out of the country. It’s not illegal to take out over $10k if you declare it.
　
Also, this… "Ms. Boxer got a law passed that makes it illegal to marry someone you meet on the Internet without actually traveling to their country and meeting them in person." Huh? Ms. Barbara Boxer, US Senator from California? Barbara Boxer may be a worthless piece of crap, but she didn’t get the law passed that requires you to have met your fiancée in person. I believe that was signed into law in 1970, way before Boxer got into politics. And THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU TRAVEL to meet her, only that you have met in person within 2 years before filing your petition.
　
Guys like this who waste their lives staring at American/Foreign-born couples, while trying to guess their ages and making up all kinds of stupid presumptions about how their marriage will end up, are ignorant weirdoes who are likely just jealous. I wouldn’t give their dumb rantings any credence at all.
　
　
Ray
　

[Jeff S]

I agree - Complete nonsensical fantasy.

[Bob_S]

Also, this… "Ms. Boxer got a law passed that makes it illegal to marry someone you meet on the Internet without actually traveling to their country and meeting them in person." Huh? Ms. Barbara Boxer, US Senator from California? Barbara Boxer may be a worthless piece of crap, but she didn’t get the law passed that requires you to have met your fiancée in person. I believe that was signed into law in 1970, way before Boxer got into politics. And THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU TRAVEL to meet her, only that you have met in person within 2 years before filing your petition.

Yeah, I think he's getting her mixed up with Cantwell of Washington, another man-hating ball-busting feminazi who pushed the IMBRA law through, and even then he is in error.  When you start looking at his facts, his argument quickly unravels.  That's why you need to link your sources!  Not just say, "It's true! Look it up!"

[z_k_g]

Guys,

99.99% of the world reads this sh*t and believes it without question.

Honestly, three years ago, before I joined P-L, I would have believed all of his post myself. Not because I was stupid or naive, but because I was ignorant.

I really think he believes what he writes about relationships, but we know its mostly fiction, at best.

Unfortunately, the world will accept ALL of his conclusions.

If you tell a lie long enough......

Zulu

[z_k_g]

And the sentiments expressed in the article are some of the reasons that I continue to live out of the US.

Dennis

I agree with some of his sentiments also, but his facts are a bit muddy.

Zulu

[dennislevy]

It seems to me that LEGALLY there are three ways in which an American citizen  can meet a woman who lives in another country----and before making a petition.
1. He can travel to meet her in her country
2. He can travel to meet her in another country other then then the US or her country
3. If she has a legal visa to enter the US (tourist, student...etc),  and or she is in the US, he can meet her in the US

And yes in the third situation, a man is not required no
to travel outside of the US to meet a foreign woman before making a petiiton.

[Ray]

It seems to me that LEGALLY there are three ways in which an American citizen  can meet a woman who lives in another country----and before making a petition.
1. He can travel to meet her in her country
2. He can travel to meet her in another country other then then the US or her country
3. If she has a legal visa to enter the US (tourist, student...etc),  and or she is in the US, he can meet her in the US

And yes in the third situation, a man is not required no
to travel outside of the US to meet a foreign woman before making a petiiton.

 
4.  He gets a waiver to the requirement to meet in person and nobody travels before the visa is issued.
 
 
Ray
 
 

[Ray]

 

break any American law in let's say China then you could face American jail even if said act is perfectly legal in China. Look it up if you don't believe me.

 
That's pure BS!
 
Look it up yourself [Admin note: removed name-calling]... 
 
 

[Ray]

 
 

 
 
 
Note: That dirty name "bozo" was not directed at any member of the forum. It was meant for the author of that dumb article.
 
 
Does this mean that FT and I can no longer refer to each other as "bozo"?   
 
 
Ray
 
 
 
 

[Dan]

 
 
Note: That dirty name "bozo" was not directed at any member of the forum. It was meant for the author of that dumb article.
 
 
Does this mean that FT and I can no longer refer to each other as "bozo"?   
 
 
Ray

Ray,

Acknowledged. When I first read it, I thought your comment was directed at the OP. Took me some time to realize it was directed at the author who is from another site, and by then I decided to not re-edit it back into your post.

In any case, you were correct that the author's assertion of wide-sweeping extraterritorialism by the the US is bogus. While there clearly are extra-territorial provisions in a number of US statutes, the claim made by the author of that article is patently false.

- Dan

[Ray]

 
The author "may" have been referring to recent decisions by the US to enforce US laws on US citizens traveling overseas with the intent to engage in child pornography or child sex tourism.
 
If so, I don't understand why he would be upset with this, unless... (?)
 
 
Ray
 
 

[Dan]

The author "may" have been referring to recent decisions by the US to enforce US laws on US citizens traveling overseas with the intent to engage in child pornography or child sex tourism.
 
If so, I don't understand why he would be upset with this, unless... (?)
 
 
Ray

Sex tourism, human trafficking, income tax - these are but a few of the statutes containing extraterritorial provisions of US law. As you point out, they are not always enforced, but those Americans who seek to have sex with children based on a foreign country's legal age of consent (as young as 13 in some countries) do so at great risk of prosecution by US authorities.

And then there are also provisions in US law for trans-national torts and claims brought against either/both foreign citizens or American expatriates living overseas. If the bad actor holds any assets or income in the US, or that flows through the US (transitory banking, for example), they are subject to action by US courts.

A prime example of the latter is - some time back there was a guy who ran a site called AgencyScams.com. I had quite a number of interactions with him at one point. This guy thought he was out of reach of the US legal system because he; (a) claimed to be a Canadian citizen, (b) held residence in various foreign countries, and (c) worked diligently to cloak his whereabouts. His house of cards came crumbling down eventually, and the defamation and harassment he blithely engaged in for a few years was squashed. There is a bit more to that story that is still unraveling, but the die is cast. Those who would ignore the hard lessons of others and elect to persist in similar nefarious activity deserve, and will receive, no better fate. Check out the guys site now - and then take a peek back a few years using The WayBack Machine. Quite a change.

- Dan

[fathertime]

 

 
 
 
Note: That dirty name "bozo" was not directed at any member of the forum. It was meant for the author of that dumb article.
 
 
Does this mean that FT and I can no longer refer to each other as "bozo"?   
 
 
Ray

You can call Bozo whenever you want, Bozo!


Fathertime!