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Members please critique my proposed petition
« on: October 25, 2011, 11:10:01 AM »
 I am thinking of submitting this petition, I would like for members to critique it for me, let me know how it sounds to you thanks.
 
Amend PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982)
The purpose of this petition is to have legislation introduced to amend PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982)to include Amerasians from The Philippines and Japan. 

In the Pledge of Allegiance it states, “With Liberty and Justice for All.” Let’s hold true to this statement that we pledge and make this country and its laws fair and just for all who are of American parentage, regardless of where in the world they are born.
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Amendment of PL 97-359 would restore, fairness and family values to our immigration system and correct past government oversights. The United States is a humane society that respects human rights and strong family values, thus PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982) should be amended.


Demands of the petition:

1. That Congress amend PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982) to include Amerasians from The Philippines and Japan.
2. Whereas American servicemen are still deployed to these countries, that there should be no fixed time frame.

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Re: Members please critique my proposed petition
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2011, 02:05:35 PM »
I am thinking of submitting this petition, I would like for members to critique it for me, let me know how it sounds to you thanks.
 
Amend PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982)
The purpose of this petition is to have legislation introduced to amend PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982)to include Amerasians from The Philippines and Japan

In the Pledge of Allegiance it states, “With Liberty and Justice for All.” Let’s hold true to this statement that we pledge and make this country and its laws fair and just for all who are of American parentage, regardless of where in the world they are born.
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Amendment of PL 97-359 would restore, fairness and family values to our immigration system and correct past government oversights. The United States is a humane society that respects human rights and strong family values, thus PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982) should be amended.


Demands of the petition:

1. That Congress amend PL-97-359 (Act of 10/22/1982) to include Amerasians from The Philippines and Japan.
2. Whereas American servicemen are still deployed to these countries, that there should be no fixed time frame.

Jimmy,
 
First you say "regardless of where in the world they are born" and then you only include the Philippines and Japan.
 
So, what about other children born of American fathers in England, Italy, Scotland, Spain, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Panama, France, Germany, Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc., etc., etc...?
 
No fixed timeframe? Seriously? From WWII until eternity? This could conceivably include many millions of newly entitled immigrants. Who is going to support them? See how ridiculous this can become?
 
Who is this petition addressed to? All members of Congress? Do you think you can get 500,000 signatures?
 
Personally, I don't think your petition has any chance of changing the law to what you are seeking. Your "demands" are simply too broad and unreasonable.
 
With all of the high-powered congressional support and years of wrangling, we still haven't fulfilled our promises to the Filipino vets who fought with the US in WWII.
 
Ray
 
 
« Last Edit: October 25, 2011, 02:10:34 PM by Ray »

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Re: Members please critique my proposed petition
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2011, 05:57:58 PM »

 
Personally, I don't think your petition has any chance of changing the law to what you are seeking. Your "demands" are simply too broad and unreasonable.
 
With all of the high-powered congressional support and years of wrangling, we still haven't fulfilled our promises to the Filipino vets who fought with the US in WWII.
 
Ray
Jimmy i think Ray has a point
do you know how to eat an elephant???
1 bite at a time. you just can't eat it all at once,
so my question is ....what is the 1st bite that you could take ?
 
 
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Re: Members please critique my proposed petition
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2011, 05:57:58 PM »

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Re: Members please critique my proposed petition
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2011, 07:59:00 PM »
 


Thanks for the critique that is what I am looking for this will help me to be more concise in my presentation of the petition.

First you say "regardless of where in the world they are born" and then you only include the Philippines and Japan. I can take that out

So, what about other children born of American fathers in England, Italy, Scotland, Spain, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Panama, France, Germany, Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc., etc., etc...? The majority of the countries you mention don’t have problems getting visas to come to the US and the half American children in those countries aren’t ostracized because of their American blood.

No fixed timeframe? Seriously? From WWII until eternity? This could conceivably include many millions of newly entitled immigrants. Who is going to support them? See how ridiculous this can become?
  They wouldn’t be immigrants they would be children of US citizens The fathers would support them until they can support themselves. I am talking about children that know and are in contact with their fathers. Their dads or families would have to sponsor them that is in the law already.

Who is this petition addressed to? All members of Congress? Do you think you can get 500,000 signatures?
It will be addressed to President Obama and The US Congress ,where do you get 500.000 signatures?
Personally, I don't think your petition has any chance of changing the law to what you are seeking. Your "demands" are simply too broad and unreasonable. You may be right who knows, but it is 100% sure I will never know if I don’t try will I? Of course it wont be easy but I know I have to try.

 Jimmy i think Ray has a point
do you know how to eat an elephant???
1 bite at a time. you just can't eat it all at once,
so my question is ....what is the 1st bite that you could take ?
I have already taken the first bite with the first petition now I will start on the second bite.

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Re: Members please critique my proposed petition
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2011, 08:23:09 PM »
sounds good Jimmy
 
 
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Re: Members please critique my proposed petition
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2011, 08:36:21 PM »
Are Amerasian adults ostracized in the Philippines any more then their,  pure for lack of a better term, ethnic minorities? 1992 was a long time ago whatever damage was done has been done and the youngest are either functional and self sufficient are they won't be, even in America. As for Japan, my cousin's "Blasian" wife from Okinawa says things started turning around in the 90s for them.

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2011, 09:07:55 PM »
A few more comments…
 

"So, what about other children born of American fathers in England, Italy, Scotland, Spain, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Panama, France, Germany, Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc., etc., etc...?" The majority of the countries you mention don’t have problems getting visas to come to the US and the half American children in those countries aren’t ostracized because of their American blood.

 
Jimmy, Japanese citizens don’t have problems getting visas either. In fact, a Japanese citizen can visit the US without a visa.

Half-American children aren’t ostracized or severely discriminated against in the Philippines or Japan either. That is the main reason why those 2 countries were not included in the original legislation.
 
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They wouldn’t be immigrants they would be children of US citizens The fathers would support them until they can support themselves. I am talking about children that know and are in contact with their fathers. Their dads or families would have to sponsor them that is in the law already.

 
OK, technically and legally they are immigrants. I believe the current Amerasian law does require a financial sponsor but I don’t believe there is any requirement that the father be alive or even know about them. They essentially petition themselves.
 
 
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It will be addressed to President Obama and The US Congress ,where do you get 500.000 signatures?

 
I figure that you would need at least that many signatures to seriously get the attention of the president or congress.
 
Perhaps you would have a much better chance of success if you could find an influential member of congress, who understands and sympathizes with your cause, who could draft a bill and gather some additional sponsors in congress. I would try someone who has been to Vietnam or the Philippines in the US military. How about Sen. John McCain?
 
If you haven’t already done so, your first step should be to download and study the complete text of the subject bill, with any subsequent amendments, so that you have a complete and thorough understanding of what exactly you are dealing with. Also, read up on the history of the legislation and the reasons for it’s introduction in the first place. Try to come up with a well-researched and documented case for strong humanitarian reasons to change the law as you propose.
 
Good luck,
 
Ray
 
 

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Re: Members please critique my proposed petition
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2011, 09:15:57 PM »
Thanks for the input Ray I like that name Ray(guess what my middle name is  ;D .

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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2011, 09:24:43 PM »
Thanks for the input Ray I like that name Ray(guess what my middle name is  ;D .

 
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2011, 10:30:46 PM »
Are Amerasian adults ostracized in the Philippines any more then their, pure for lack of a better term, ethnic minorities?
 
No, not at all based on my experience.
 
When I lived there in the seventies, American babies were actually a prized status symbol. I knew several older mixed Filipino-Americans there and none had any problems at all and several served in important positions.
 
There have been several popular entertainers of mixed race, especially females. Popular actress Anne Curtis has an Australian father.
 
Philippine Senator Richard Gordon is a popular and important political figure, and a likely future presidential contender. Like his father before him, he was a very popular mayor of Olongapo City. He was also Freeport Director, Secretary of Tourism, Senator, Red Cross Director, and he ran for president last year. His father was of mixed race from an American father.
 
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Sorry J, were you referring more to children of Black fathers? I don't have a lot of experience with them in the Philippines, but I'm guessing that in general the children with lighter skin were probably treated at least a little better.
 
Most of the darker-skinned Negrito native Filipinos seem to keep more to their own tribal areas, at least back then. The American military hired many of the local tribe of Negritos living in the jungles on the Navy base as jungle survival school trainers for US pilots headed for Vietnam. I wonder what happened to them after the US pulled out?
 
 
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2011, 06:05:58 AM »
 

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Sorry J, were you referring more to children of Black fathers? I don't have a lot of experience with them in the Philippines, but I'm guessing that in general the children with lighter skin were probably treated at least a little better.
 
Most of the darker-skinned Negrito native Filipinos seem to keep more to their own tribal areas, at least back then. The American military hired many of the local tribe of Negritos living in the jungles on the Navy base as jungle survival school trainers for US pilots headed for Vietnam. I wonder what happened to them after the US pulled out?
 
 
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I wasn't thinking of so-called Blasians, although that is more of a Korean and Japanese term, specifically. But it does make sense that they would be the only ones at all to suffer from being racial outsiders. In the states all of the Black Filipinos I have known except the ones with "high yellow" fathers self identify as Black. And many "pure pinoys" could also come over and pass as Black.  There is the slight chance the others would suffer from being illegitimate, not from being the prized mestizo but that has also mostly disappeared, at least in the cities.


My cousin's wife was surprised that she is Black in America, with a funny accent as people try to figure her out. In a way people would treat her proud proclamation of Blasian, which was needed in Okinawa, like they treated Tiger Woods when he came up with "cablinasian" to self identify himself and the collective community response was negro please get over yourself. Her daughter by a Japanese father meanwhile is Japanese while her kids fathered by my cousin are Black, complete with old school afro puffs the last time I was over visiting.

 

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