Does money correlate to a woman's beauty/age?

[opusone]

Gents,


Quick question. In America, I think its safe to assume that the more money you have ,it's more than likely ,the girl you want/get is going to have above average looks, but her age is still  expected to be close to yours. Do you guys think than in Latin America, the more money a gringo has ,determines the beauty of the girl, and does it have any effect in terms of her age as well ?Of course, I am talking about knockouts here,( 9-10's), though looks are subjective. I rarely see a real hot knockout (latin or not) with a middle/lower class male in terms of finances.


Opus 

[whitey]

If you have money, you can have a woman of any age in Colombia.  60 or 70 year old guys can get 18 year old girls.

[opusone]

If you have money, you can have a woman of any age in Colombia.  60 or 70 year old guys can get 18 year old girls.

Hmmm,  I have seen 18 year olds with quite older men but, they weren't really hot, but at 60-70, I guess 18 is hot even if she really isn't hot. I was just wondering if there are limitations to how hot the women would be if you're in a certain class financially. I just don't see a middle class 60-70 year old with one of the hottest known Colombianas. I could be wrong. 

[sticky2]

If you have money, you can have a woman of any age in Colombia.  60 or 70 year old guys can get 18 year old girls.

I don't think he's referring to age.  If I understand correctly, He's asking if money effects the hotness factor, or the ability to get 9-10's as apposed to 7-8's. 


I'm curious about this question as well.  When I was in Peru and Colombia, I was so excited at how hot the girls were that I was able to date, but they were still like a maximum 8 on my scale.

[opusone]

I don't think he's referring to age.  If I understand correctly, He's asking if money effects the hotness factor, or the ability to get 9-10's as apposed to 7-8's. 


I'm curious about this question as well.  When I was in Peru and Colombia, I was so excited at how hot the girls were that I was able to date, but they were still like a maximum 8 on my scale.

Yea, thats it, Sticky. I'm curious too.

[whitey]

I'm personally not interested in 9's or 10's ... they are not worth the trouble that they are almost certain to be and although I want to be with an attractive woman, I want much more than just looks.

Colombia and Venezuela have the most beautiful women that I have seen for my taste, and in Colombia there are a LOT of beautiful women.

The main difference is that unlike here in North America, there are a lot of beautiful young women of very modest means, and even very poor.  People who are poor in North America are generally (not always) ugly, over weight, full of bad habits like smoking, drinking, drugs, tattoo's, bad hygiene, bad teeth, bad breeding, etc.

[InnocentVixen]

For those 9's and 10's chasers, I would say it is mainly about self confidence what attracts those girls to a guy, of course you will not find many dirt poor gringos who have this level of confidence (they could probably not afford to travel anyways) HOWEVER you will find them in Colombia I am sure, here in Mexico often beautiful girls from good families marry a good for nothing guy who is not even attractive, has no job, drinks a lot, sleeps around, you know the kind of guy... but "oh he is so fun and adores me"


I think an average foreign guy (in looks and wallet size) can do a lot better than he realizes with the right attitude, going just for the hotness factor is selling yourself short, besides what most guys consider attractive might not be that attractive back there, so what you consider to be a goddess of beauty could be nothing but a regular Jane in the eyes of her country.


We have a saying here, "there is no such thing as ugly women, there is rare beauty" there are many variations but that one comes to mind with this subject is "there is no ugly women, there are poor ones" meaning that no matter how the woman looks, give her the means to polish herself and she will, but one without the means has very limited options and must do her best with what she has.

[beginthebeguin]

Now I_V brings up an interesting point.

We have a saying here, "there is no such thing as ugly women, there is rare beauty" there are many variations but that one comes to mind with this subject is "there is no ugly women, there are poor ones" meaning that no matter how the woman looks, give her the means to polish herself and she will, but one without the means has very limited options and must do her best with what she has.

Now guys based on your 'in-country' expeience has there ever been a case where you didn't look twice at a woman and after she has become sucessful or found a way to 'fix-up' her appearance did you notice some beauty 'shining through' that THEN caught your eye? And I am addressing this to those forum members who have beein 'in-country' for extended periods and would have the opportunity to observe this.   

[Zon]

I have had the opportunity to spend a lot of time with models - Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler ... MetArt; you name it.  Photoshop does wonders!  Sure, almost all of these women are attractive, but you would be surprised how 8 - not 10 many look in real life.

Last week, I was in Perera where I met about 20 cam models.  5 of them could be on the cover of Victoria Secret.  But, when you see them walking in town, some of them look "normal" - a little plain.  But, when the make up goes on, and accessories - WOW.  Men's eyes are so easy to fool.

It does come down to confidence, and psychological intangibles.  Then, grooming and dress.   

Personally, I find women who are rather this with small curves to be most attractive.  These women in Colombia mostly feel inadequate and want bigger boobs and a fake butt.  Go figure. We are rarely content with who we are, or what we have.

[whitey]

For those 9's and 10's chasers, I would say it is mainly about self confidence what attracts those girls to a guy, of course you will not find many dirt poor gringos who have this level of confidence (they could probably not afford to travel anyways) HOWEVER you will find them in Colombia I am sure, here in Mexico often beautiful girls from good families marry a good for nothing guy who is not even attractive, has no job, drinks a lot, sleeps around, you know the kind of guy... but "oh he is so fun and adores me"


I think an average foreign guy (in looks and wallet size) can do a lot better than he realizes with the right attitude, going just for the hotness factor is selling yourself short, besides what most guys consider attractive might not be that attractive back there, so what you consider to be a goddess of beauty could be nothing but a regular Jane in the eyes of her country.


We have a saying here, "there is no such thing as ugly women, there is rare beauty" there are many variations but that one comes to mind with this subject is "there is no ugly women, there are poor ones" meaning that no matter how the woman looks, give her the means to polish herself and she will, but one without the means has very limited options and must do her best with what she has.

Good stuff IV ... love hearing your opinions ...

[fathertime]

I'm personally not interested in 9's or 10's ... they are not worth the trouble that they are almost certain to be and although I want to be with an attractive woman, I want much more than just looks.

Colombia and Venezuela have the most beautiful women that I have seen for my taste, and in Colombia there are a LOT of beautiful women.

The main difference is that unlike here in North America, there are a lot of beautiful young women of very modest means, and even very poor.  People who are poor in North America are generally (not always) ugly, over weight, full of bad habits like smoking, drinking, drugs, tattoo's, bad hygiene, bad teeth, bad breeding, etc.

During a stint in a W. Virginia steel town where everybody was poor, I noticed that the overall attractiveness for the ladies was off the charts ugly.  Obese, loaded with tattoos, smoking, greasy, baggy  soiled clothes and lots and lots of 'drug shooters' as Robert Deniro said in Taxi Driver.     You go to a poor area in Colombia and their are pretty ladies in many households.   I think the reason this happens is that in the USA the attractive people can acquire the means to get out, and what is left is the sops and dregs.  I think in COlombia it is more difficult to acquire the means to make that move. 


Fathertime! 

[Traveler]

Well, my tastes are different from Zon's then.  I do like the curves, especially in the lower half of the woman's body  .  If I cared for women with no ass and hips, I would probably look first in the FSU.
 
First of all, as far as very hot women, they already have enough very eligible admiradores here that they don't really need to look for foreigners specifically.  Obviously, if a foreigner runs into them and is desirable to hot women in general, they will be interested, but being a foreigner alone is definitely not going to be sufficient IMHO.  But then there are women who are hot to me, but normal to average colombianos (especially since many colombianos want a white blond girl given an opportunity and treat local trigenas like something abundant and ordinary), so they are definitely game.  And then to the colombianos who are wealthy, especially from old money, social class of a woman is extremely important.  His family will simply not let him marry a poor girl even if she is beautiful and genuinely nice.  So those girls either have to settle to be with poor guys, or be girlfriends to those rich guys without ever being able to marry them, or work as prepagos, or marry a gringo.
 
As far as whether the money can get you a hotter and younger woman in a 3rd world country, dah! of course, but not every hot woman is selling herself to the highest bidder, whether she is poor herself or not.  There are many women who are upper class and are golddiggers, and many poor women who are not.  If you have nothing to offer to a woman besides your money, if she is the type to be interested in that, she will use you as much and as long you will let her do that.  Many women compartmentalize men: one guy to have great sex with, another guy to get money from, another guy who will listen to her when she needs deahogarse, another guy to help her move furniture, etc.  But don't expect true love and loyalty from a woman if all you are to her is a "sponsor".

[dennislevy]

This is one of those threads that always crack me up.

everymans definition of feminine beauty is different....and I have no  idea of what hot means....

And what acactly is a an 8 or a 10....wahts the difference btween a 7,5 and and a 9.4 I havent got a clue

I veslept with Cplombian women from 30 until 55, all colors from vanilla wihte to coal black, from 4 feet 9 and 90 pouds to 5 10 and 180 pounds and with busts that ranged from 30 A to 42 D. Sine I don t drink or use drugs, I had my wits wth me when I as with them...And in some way I found them to be attractive to beautfiul and more important................to be ready, willing and able.

Wen we say she s an  o or 9...we quantify and objectify.....I would much rather tell a woman  this is w what I notice about you,  here s what I admire....here is what attracts me.....Honest, specific and centered on her person..

The last woman I tried to impress with a wallet, was in Albany New York in the summer of 1977. Didn t work then, doubt iff it would go over any better, npw,,,,   

I try to treat them alike...with some caring, humore and if possible romance....., until both of us can decide...di we want to spend tiome with eachother.....somethoes that s afirst date decision, sometimes it takes a bitr morer timera lot fo time it just doesnt happen

Im 58 and I ve been single and dating from 19 until 28 and frome 53 until 58  and God strike me dead if I every say otmyself...how much mone do I have to spend on this pariticular woman in order to bed her......

[JimD]

Dennis that was gobbledygook. Run it through "spell check" and make your readers happy.

[robert angel]

And now for a break from our regular programming:

I think that the further you get from the bigger cities and the less educated, financially well off and sophisticated a woman is, the more likely an average looking foreign guy would be able to find and marry such a woman of beauty, one who is higher up the oft used beauty '1 to 10' scale.

It seems that regardless of income level and location, extraordinary beauty is recognized and it seems to me that it often has an effect on that person's self perception and personality--and all too often not necessarily a positive one.

Furthermore, apart from any "Eliza Doolittle effect', and contrary to what some seasoned posters here have indicated, I think that a woman can be a wonderful wife, even if she comes from  an unsophisticated, impoverished and uneducated back ground --IF she has intelligence, 'drive' and good moral values to match, or in many instances, to compliment, her husband's. "Marrying up' can work in different ways.
 
How can a woman do this?  By marrying into a better situation, with the right guy and becoming more educated, sophisticated and 'worldly'. It takes a mutual agreement and a good deal of 'drive'--meaning desire from the woman, but it IS very possible.

Now, more than ever, people, including stunningly beautiful women, are pouring into the world's largest cities, but I dare say that there still are many, many women, who based on their character and physical beauty, are most certainly 'diamonds in the rough' way out in rural areas.

Just ask some of the guys who've traveled away from the 'agencies' and off the beaten paths of countries in Asia, Mexico, South and Central America and the Carribean, if there aren't some 'knock your socks off 'pretty women out there.....

Nobody ever said that finding 'diamonds' was easy.

 I say this, because I too have seen them. A few, just based on beauty alone, have come from the furthest reaches of the globe and are high paid fashion models in places like Paris and NYC. My wife was fortunate to from a young age, have a degree of sophistication, a private school education and was able to attend a fine University in her nation's second largest city.

But she has some cousins who live 'back in the country', who didn't have the same advantages. I have met these ladies and have no doubt that they not only would they make fine wives and mothers, are also of high intelligence and of good moral values AND they would look great up on any fashion show runway--'up on the cat walk' if you will. A number of my wife's cousins are real beauties, but Lordy, one my wife's first cousins is so pretty, it hurts my eyes!!     (sorry guys--don't even ask--lol) 

One person who had a lot of drive, and most certainly not the only person who came from such a background, comes to mind. She came from a very rural part of Argentina--(some allege it was actually Paraguay), was born into extreme poverty, the 4th of 5 children, born illegitimately when such a status held severe social stigma.

She actually ended up doing quite well for herself, becoming 'First lady' and is much beloved in her nation to this very day.   Some of you might even have heard of her.   Eva Peron, anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evita_Peron

[Micky]

I am NOT busting anyone's balls here.  I do understand after all these years on the planet that guys,  at times,  are all on the "super hot" she is a "9 - 10" thing.

To answer the threads question,  not only in Colombia,  but pretty much anywhere in the world,  $$$ can buy a "smoking hot",  "knockout",  "9 - 10",  "model"  type beauty.  That's news?

RA,  Zon,  Whitey,  Traveler touched on a few of the factors involving this,  IV maybe said it best with her,  "just going for the hotness factor...",  well BS is what it is,  only my opinion of course.

I think that it has probably happened in everyone's lifetime,  you meet a women,  at work,  the store,  coffee shop,  where ever it may be.  She is a nice looking women,  but over time you see how she is good to everyone,  quick with a smile,  pleasant,  her words are intelligent and sensable.  And THEN you say to yourself,  "man I love Tracy down at the market".  Is it not the TOTAL package ONLY that can make YOUR  10?

Have you never met a women,  she was gorgeous,  you go out with her a few times,  not that she is a "bad" women,  but there is just nothing there?  Too often we all get a little carried away with the "physical beauty"  CRAP.  There,  of course,  HAS to be physical attraction.  What I call,  or say,  is there has to be at least "minimal, mutual attraction"  and then a couple can go from there.
Personally,  I would gladly give up 2 points on the "1 - 10"  scale for a dose more of intelligence, compassion,  positive attitude,  or a half dozen other quality character traits.
Poor,  rich,  educated,  uneducated,  big city,  rural,  NONE of these things dictate who,  or what,  any of us are.  There is no formula when it comes to love and the mating game.  Enough.

Micky
P.S.  RA,  I know you like to "quote" songs on ocassion.  I do try to keep my life simple,  how bout' this one - Huey Lewis - "Jacobs Ladder" -  "all I want from tomorrow,  is to get it better than today".

[opusone]

I am NOT busting anyone's balls here.  I do understand after all these years on the planet that guys,  at times,  are all on the "super hot" she is a "9 - 10" thing.

To answer the threads question,  not only in Colombia,  but pretty much anywhere in the world,  $$$ can buy a "smoking hot",  "knockout",  "9 - 10",  "model"  type beauty.  That's news?

RA,  Zon,  Whitey,  Traveler touched on a few of the factors involving this,  IV maybe said it best with her,  "just going for the hotness factor...",  well BS is what it is,  only my opinion of course.

I think that it has probably happened in everyone's lifetime,  you meet a women,  at work,  the store,  coffee shop,  where ever it may be.  She is a nice looking women,  but over time you see how she is good to everyone,  quick with a smile,  pleasant,  her words are intelligent and sensable.  And THEN you say to yourself,  "man I love Tracy down at the market".  Is it not the TOTAL package ONLY that can make YOUR  10?

Have you never met a women,  she was gorgeous,  you go out with her a few times,  not that she is a "bad" women,  but there is just nothing there?  Too often we all get a little carried away with the "physical beauty"  CRAP.  There,  of course,  HAS to be physical attraction.  What I call,  or say,  is there has to be at least "minimal, mutual attraction"  and then a couple can go from there.
Personally,  I would gladly give up 2 points on the "1 - 10"  scale for a dose more of intelligence, compassion,  positive attitude,  or a half dozen other quality character traits.
Poor,  rich,  educated,  uneducated,  big city,  rural,  NONE of these things dictate who,  or what,  any of us are.  There is no formula when it comes to love and the mating game.  Enough.

Micky
P.S.  RA,  I know you like to "quote" songs on ocassion.  I do try to keep my life simple,  how bout' this one - Huey Lewis - "Jacobs Ladder" -  "all I want from tomorrow,  is to get it better than today".

Of course a lot of this would be relevant if that's what was factored into the original idea of the thread, but my question was specifically about physical beauty and that alone. It was also to determine whether or not money affects the "scale" that is universally accepted as hot and how much different/same it is in Colombia as in the U.S.. Not that all the stuff mentioned above isn't relevant, but maybe not to the post . YMMV

[Researcher]

I am NOT busting anyone's balls here.  I do understand after all these years on the planet that guys,  at times,  are all on the "super hot" she is a "9 - 10" thing.

To answer the threads question,  not only in Colombia,  but pretty much anywhere in the world,  $$$ can buy a "smoking hot",  "knockout",  "9 - 10",  "model"  type beauty.  That's news?

RA,  Zon,  Whitey,  Traveler touched on a few of the factors involving this,  IV maybe said it best with her,  "just going for the hotness factor...",  well BS is what it is,  only my opinion of course.

I think that it has probably happened in everyone's lifetime,  you meet a women,  at work,  the store,  coffee shop,  where ever it may be.  She is a nice looking women,  but over time you see how she is good to everyone,  quick with a smile,  pleasant,  her words are intelligent and sensable.  And THEN you say to yourself,  "man I love Tracy down at the market".  Is it not the TOTAL package ONLY that can make YOUR  10?

Have you never met a women,  she was gorgeous,  you go out with her a few times,  not that she is a "bad" women,  but there is just nothing there?  Too often we all get a little carried away with the "physical beauty"  CRAP.  There,  of course,  HAS to be physical attraction.  What I call,  or say,  is there has to be at least "minimal, mutual attraction"  and then a couple can go from there.
Personally,  I would gladly give up 2 points on the "1 - 10"  scale for a dose more of intelligence, compassion,  positive attitude,  or a half dozen other quality character traits.
Poor,  rich,  educated,  uneducated,  big city,  rural,  NONE of these things dictate who,  or what,  any of us are.  There is no formula when it comes to love and the mating game.  Enough.

Micky
P.S.  RA,  I know you like to "quote" songs on ocassion.  I do try to keep my life simple,  how bout' this one - Huey Lewis - "Jacobs Ladder" -  "all I want from tomorrow,  is to get it better than today".

         Good post Micky. These are things most people realize as they mature, you know, life lessons.But some never learn and want to chase the wind forever.

        Researcher

[Gato4Astrid]

Gents,


Quick question. In America, I think its safe to assume that the more money you have ,it's more than likely ,the girl you want/get is going to have above average looks, but her age is still  expected to be close to yours. Do you guys think than in Latin America, the more money a gringo has ,determines the beauty of the girl, and does it have any effect in terms of her age as well ?Of course, I am talking about knockouts here,( 9-10's), though looks are subjective. I rarely see a real hot knockout (latin or not) with a middle/lower class male in terms of finances.


Opus

Why do you want to waste your time looking for 9's or 10's women?  For a trophy?  Or to show off your friends?   Remember, the old saying that external beauty fade.....


Men with lots of money might easily get women 9's or 10's but it doesn't mean that they will be faithful to them.  They could have local boyfriends .........


I don't waste my time for 9's or 10's.  My Astrid is beautiful for my eyes and am very happy with the relationships with her. 

[opusone]

Why do you want to waste your time looking for 9's or 10's women?  For a trophy?  Or to show off your friends?   Remember, the old saying that external beauty fade.....


Men with lots of money might easily get women 9's or 10's but it doesn't mean that they will be faithful to them.  They could have local boyfriends .........


I don't waste my time for 9's or 10's.  My Astrid is beautiful for my eyes and am very happy with the relationships with her.

I must've wrote this post in Aramaic. I need to fix that.

[dennislevy]

Since someone complained that my first effort was gobbledygook...I ve cleaned  it up and re posted it.

Every man s definition of feminine beauty is different....and I have no  idea of what hot means....And what exactly is an 9 or a 10?....hat  the difference between a 7.5 and and a 9.4? 


 I haven t got a clue, because there is NO universally accpeted definition of beauty.  If we as men are stupid enough to believe that  because American and European media tells us that thin women with breast implants, flat bellies and pouty lips are beautiful, then we deserve the crap we bring on ourselves.


We should use our hearts and minds to be our own judges of what feminine beauty is.


Here are three well known women who I thought were breathtakingly beautiful.


Sophia Loren,
Sonia Braga
Meryl Streep.


An Italian, a Brazilian and an American....Physically there are completely unalike, but my God their faces, their eyes, the intelligence  and sensuality in all of them!  if a woman projects something THAT IS INTERIOR....then she will be beautiful in the eyes of  some man.   

I ve slept with Cplombian women from ages 30 until 55, all colors from vanilla white to coal black, from 4 feet 9 and 90 pounds to 5 10 and 180 pounds and with busts that ranged from 30 A to 42 D.  Since I don t drink or use drugs, I had my wits wth me when I was with them...


And in some way I found all of them to be attractive to beautfiul and more important.....they wanted to be with me.  Thats my starting point does she want to be with me?......and do I feel attraction?


If any of us remember the point of the movie 10---with Dudley Moore, Bo Derek and Julie Andrews, its a man s midlife obsession with a 10....he follows her on the freeway, then he escapes from life and his fantasies about her and he goes to a resort in Mexico and miraculously encounters her at the same resort...but  he is completely surprised. because she isnt ANTHING like she imagined! Remember that Dudley Moore gets laid by Bo Derek....and she is on her honeymoon with another man!

Unless a man is a moral slug...would he want to be with a beautiful  woman under those circumstances?  Would any of us want a 10?.....like that?  And that is the whole point, 10s are fantasies.....that we project....

I m 58 and I ve been dating since 2006 and God strike me dead if I every say to myself...how much more money do I have to spend on this parricular woman in order to bed her......


I respectfully disagree with Robert....about the feasibility of taking a beautiful but socially and economically  disadvantaged woman  from another culture and building a lifetime partnership in a culture with more material advantages,


I think it could might work in isolated cases...but in general, I think  its  a Hollywood myth.

[Traveler]

I don't see any problem with dating very attractive women, and find some of the guys' insecurity about doing that (or rationalization why they would not do that) laughable.
 
First of all, tastes differ, and someone's 10 is not another guys's 10.  For instance, Bo Derek is not and never was my type, and would not be a 10 in my eyes.  But I realize that for many she is a 10.  So, the "numbering system" is very subjective.
 
Second, why do you assume automatically that a 9 or a 10 would be morally deficient, or would leave you as soon as she meets a guy with $5 more than you in his pocket?  There are women who are like that and are not 9's or 10's, BTW.  It is true that the hotter the woman is, the more picky she would be, but most of that pickiness is not financial, but more in terms of the guy's physical appearance and how good he could satisfy her sexually.  The quality of sex BTW is the most important variable to most women who have a choice whom to date and do not factor in "financial stability" of a suitor.  If you feel you don't measure up to the competition, well, try to be better instead of making excuses or coming up with untrue generalizations about a woman's character based on how hot she is.

[dennislevy]

Traveler


I did NOT say that who we re calling 10 s were morally  deficient,


I used the example of the character of Bo Derek in the movie 10 who surprises Dudley Moore with her moral attitude toward fidelity. And I asked rhetorically  would we (as men) want to be with a woman like  that?
   
It was A MOVIE...and the purpose of the MOVIE was to poke fun at men s conceptions about beauty and sexual fantasies.....and their middle age anxieties


And i didn t imply that beaufiul women are morally deficient.

BUT if I understood the sense of your post....and corrrct me if I misunderstood.....
To assume that the media considers to be beautiful  women ...and who eliminate economics as a factor in choosing men  but think that sexual satisfaction is the most important key....now THAT S a myth.

I don t  think there is ANY correlation between beautiful women and heightened sexuality....

ALL women have their individual sexuality.no matter if men perceive them as beautiful, attractive or butt ugly.

[Researcher]

      That's the trouble with generalizations, there are always exceptions.I have to say though Traveler, that generally speaking society as a whole tends to spoil very attractive women. I don't see anything wrong with a guy chasing the "10's" if that is what they want but as I got more experienced with women I decided that it was best to consider the whole package. When I did I found more women that society considers "10's" less attractive. Generally speaking they were more a PITA that they were worth so I put more importance on other attributes. I still pursued the 10's but I would break up with them the same as I would an "8".

        Researcher   

[fathertime]

I don't see any problem with dating very attractive women, and find some of the guys' insecurity about doing that (or rationalization why they would not do that) laughable.
 
 

I agree!  Criticizing a universally very attractive women is often a way to rationalize not trying to get one, while keeping the self esteem in tact!  It would be more honest to say, "I realize that I don't warrant a universally attractive woman, therefore I'm setting my sights on other ladies", but that might be a little bit of a painful admission for some. 







Fathertime!