Protecting Assets from Divorce in Colombia

[sticky2]

I am the type to hope for the best, but plan for the worst.  So, I have a plan to protect my assets from divorce... here it is.... let me know what you guys think.


1. Arrange my businesses here in the USA to run without my physical presence, but still pay me (I'm very close to achieving this)
2. Move to Colombia
3. Find a girl and get married
4. Sabotage any attempts for her to get a visa to the USA, and try not to get caught doing it
5. Keep all my assets in trusts in the USA, try to only rent and keep minimal assets in Colombia
6. Be the best husband I could be, raise a family and just live a humble life.


If things go really bad, like she cheats or becomes a psycho, or any of the other million reasons marriage doesn't work out, I can take the following steps:


7. Hand her the keys to a rented house.
8. Take my ATM card and Jump on a plane to Peru
9. Hire a lawyer in Colombia to clean up the mess
10. Start over at step 3


As heartless as this sounds, trust me, I am very committed to trying to achieve step 6.  The rest of this stuff is only for a worst case scenario.


There are probably a lot of legal reasons this plan won't work perfectly, but on the surface, do you guys think it is feasible?


Sticky

[JimD]

If you don´t ever plan to take to the US you can skip no. 4. Just tell her moving with her to the US is not your plan. You don´t have to sabotage anything. If you want to actually marry it is perfectly legal (and enforcible) to sign a pre-nuptial agreement which will protect any aquisitions you make in Colombia after you marry. Don´t be so up tight.

[sticky2]

Don´t be so up tight.

"Don't be so up tight"..... I love it.....  Jim, you must already live in Colombia.  I hope the culture rubs off on me too when I move down there, then I can loosen up a little....


Sticky

[JimD]

That´s the ticket!

[mudd]

1st, sounds like you dont trust colombian women  hahaha


with that being said, if your going to  " live in  colombia," you need to check the divorce laws there also. i have heard many different variations of the laws, one being living with a girl for 2 years counts as being married, even if your not.


a prenup in her country wouldn't be a bad bet either and once she is married to you, she can file for her own visa without you.

[opusone]

1st, sounds like you dont trust colombian women  hahaha


with that being said, if your going to  " live in  colombia," you need to check the divorce laws there also. i have heard many different variations of the laws, one being living with a girl for 2 years counts as being married, even if your not.


a prenup in her country wouldn't be a bad bet either and once she is married to you, she can file for her own visa without you.

And why should he trust a woman from Colombia or any other woman for that matter when it comes to his assets? Mudd, good point on the pre-nup. One thing that a lot of men do is not even consider a pre-nup simply because they are in another country. This is a disaster in my opinion.  I would definitely consider a pre-nup and do it way in advance of any marriage. This helps in validating the strength of what she signed. Have her get her own attorney. Don't draw one up out of love. Get the experts! Know the laws for each country/state, when you are ready to do it. Sticky,Your business may be considered non-marital, but the growth  during the marriage can be considered marital assets so make sure you understand that. A cunning wife might understand these things thru her lawyer. Don't underestimate your worth! Place tangible assets in irrevocable trusts, get a blind trust too! put it in your sisters/mother's name ....lol..Most women claim to not have a problem with a pre-nup until the poop hits the fan.

[JimD]

with that being said, if your going to  " live in  colombia," you need to check the divorce laws there also. i have heard many different variations of the laws, one being living with a girl for 2 years counts as being married, even if your not.


a prenup in her country wouldn't be a bad bet either and once she is married to you, she can file for her own visa without you.

The relationship you are referring to is an "union libre" the equivalent of common-law marriage in the US and yes it acquires the legal status of marriage after two years. A pre-nup is known as "Capitulaciones Matrimonials" which are described in Article 1771 of the Legislacion Estatal (Codigo Civil Colombiano).
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Here´s a link: http://www.notinet.com.co/serverfiles/servicios/archivos/codigos/civil/libro4txxii.htm
 
 

[opusone]

The relationship you are referring to is an "union libre" the equivalent of common-law marriage in the US and yes it acquires the legal status of marriage after two years. A pre-nup is known as "Capitulaciones Matrimonials" which are described in Article 1771 of the Legislacion Estatal (Codigo Civil Colombiano).
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Here´s a link: http://www.notinet.com.co/serverfiles/servicios/archivos/codigos/civil/libro4txxii.htm

and what happens once he decides to breed?

[Jeff S]

My suggestion would be to study up on the "Law of Attraction."

[AndyLee]

My suggestion would be to study up on the "Law of Attraction."

Good suggestion Jeff......start with the video documentary The Secret, it quite possibly will change your life. It changed my life in wonderful ways; health, love, wealth, happiness all better.

[mudd]

Most women claim to not have a problem with a pre-nup until the poop hits the fan.

just happened to my close friend this year, lucky had a real good prenup. dated for 2 years, she never had a problem with the prenup until  a month before teh wedding where she changed her mind . basically, she was calling his bluff that he wouldnt get married without one and he already spent around $ 15,000 in the wedding. he said no way, forget it and was calling off the wedding, then she signed.  fast forward 1/5 years, having problems, she  turned into a lazy do nothing wife who wouldnt bother to cook one meal a week nor clean a 2 bed condo, so he said forget it. thats when she said " oh, i didnt know what i was signing, it wasnt explained to me well, it wasnt in my native language ect. even thought  she had a Harvard  lawyer read it to her in her native language and she had passed college english classes. he gave her  a $ 1200 month allowance, (all bills and expenses were paid by him) and still needed more $$$. 


you better make sure you know what your doing, it gets expensive later 

[whitey]

Already spent $15,000 on the wedding before it started? In Colombia?!  That's like a $150,000 wedding in the US.

$1,200/month allowance?!

If I look up papaya in the dictionary, I'm pretty sure there will be a picture of him.  I'm having trouble mustering up any sympathy.  That's what happens when you try to buy a wife ...

[mudd]

Already spent $15,000 on the wedding before it started? In Colombia?!  That's like a $150,000 wedding in the US.

$1,200/month allowance?!

If I look up papaya in the dictionary, I'm pretty sure there will be a picture of him.  I'm having trouble mustering up any sympathy.  That's what happens when you try to buy a wife .

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no, wedding was up here.   but i was really surprised by how many of her  friends up here told her to screw him over in court, even if she couldn't win, make him spend a lot of money on his lawyer and her's. Even his own lawyer told him, even though your prenup stats that each party pays for their own lawyer, the judge will still make you pay for her lawyer or at least 50% plus  fees.


he goes to court next month.

[Researcher]

    If I were to move to Colombia I doubt I would get married at all. Don't see the need.

       Researcher

[whitey]

no, wedding was up here.   but i was really surprised by how many of her  friends up here told her to screw him over in court, even if she couldn't win, make him spend a lot of money on his lawyer and her's. Even his own lawyer told him, even though your prenup stats that each party pays for their own lawyer, the judge will still make you pay for her lawyer or at least 50% plus  fees.

he goes to court next month.

Yeah, it's sad and scary how many women turn evil after a separation and spur each other one ...

[fathertime]

Yeah, it's sad and scary how many women turn evil after a separation and spur each other one ...

These ladies are just trying to support each other, but yeah it is no good for the guy that is for sure!


These are often tough situations all the way around, and I’ve learned that a man really has to have his game face on.  It is not the time to be a nice guy nor is it the time to be grossly unfair.  It sounds like the guy muddd is talking about should be fighting instead of rewarding this lady.  I think that is what I would do.   All bills paid and 1.2k for fun. Sounds like she wants to do nothing but suck his teet for the rest of her life…


Hey muddd, how many years were they together…your post said 1/5.  I can’t tell if that is 15 years or 1 year or 5 years! 


   
Fathertime!

[Ray]

...once she is married to you, she can file for her own visa without you.

mudd,
 
I believe the only way she could self-petition for an immigrant visa would be as a widow of a US citizen.
 
If you were still married when you croak, then she could petition herself for a visa within two years if she doesn't remarry.
 
I'm not sure if murder would disqualify her... 
 
 
Ray
 

[opusone]

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 i was really surprised by how many of her  friends up here told her to screw him over in court, even if she couldn't win, make him spend a lot of money on his lawyer and her's.

I think (not sure) that when you are a foreigner who has been perceived as doing something wrong/bad to a hometown girl, coupled with the fact that you live in her country, the masses will certainly not be partial to your plight , even if her story wreaks.

[mudd]

Hey muddd, how many years were they together…your post said 1/5.  I can’t tell if that is 15 years or 1 year or 5 years!

correction,  they were married technically 11 months. had a beer with him last night over Monday night football. they dated for 2 years.  even when i was around her, didnt see any signs if being a gold digger/ lazy good for nothing, other than their condo was always a mess and he bought a robotic vacumm cleaner  to clean the floor, which he received endless [snip] form the guys because his wife wouldnt even clean the floor. their places always looked like a pig pen, and he's a pretty clean guy.




all and all, unless your in the situation, living in it, its hard to see whats really going on. 





over the years, i have seen some pretty crazy krap from guys marrying american women and colombian women. probably the two worst.


 american women accused the father of molesting and beating the kids, and this poor guy wouldnt harm a fly, but he was such a pushover and wouldnt stick up for himself.


other, guy and Colombian woman, accused him of abuse, physical but mostly  mental and filed for divorce after only being married for 6 months and ran him through the ringer. he didnt know if he was coming or going and by the time he was done, he looked like he aged about 10 years within a year.


as my good friend who is a lawyer stated, a marriage cert is a one sided business contract, better protect yourself..... and once a foreign woman is here, she is pretty much guaranteed to stay here,unless she gets into criminal trouble, selling drugs, murder ect.