Latin women are no better or worse than American women.

[opusone]

I know this subject has been beaten into the ground on this forum , and most on here would probably not agree, but I truly believe there have been some unfair generalizations by those of us who have had a disaster or two with American women. I am hispanic, primarily date  within my heritage, but I do venture out into dating other nationalities as well. I have never had my heart broken by an American woman,(dated many) nor have I ever been married to one.  I am now dating two women from Colombia for over a year now, and I can tell you that I see more similarities than differences. I think I see this a bit clearer than a man who has had his heart ripped out by a particular nationality (American) , or lost everything in a divorce. My conclusions is this : At the end of the day, no matter where your girl/wife/mistress/concubine is from, if you pick the wrong one, you will get the same results as a gringo who picked the wrong Colombiana.  I have been noticing that most men who say that foreign women are so much better than AW's usually chalk it up to traditional values, looks , and passion. I say they are some American women who have the same exact qualities as well, and, if you're willing to look for the same things  you look for in a Colombiana, you will find it. It may be that in Latin America, these qualities are in a much higher concentration, however, there are some negative qualities that are in a much higher concentration amongst Colombianas just as well.  For instance, I catch my girls lying all the time. I mean sometimes for things that are so trivial , you just look at the phone as if it was possessed. I catch them flirting secretly with the eyes, clamoring for attention, yet remaining "loyal" to you. I could go on and on about negative things I see everyday in Colombianas, but what would be the point?For me , it's just a preference,nothing more, nothing less. I would rather not take such a rigid position about American women.  I really think some would say that this is almost borderline bigotry when you make a claim that American women are no good,and have nothing to offer as opposed to foreign women.  What would you say when the Colombiana breaks your heart? Just my 2 cents.

[Researcher]

 

  I would say that you are wrong Opusone.You even contradicted yourself by saying Colombia has more women that are suitable wife material, in concentration. AWs are not good wife material period. I know some guys try to remain open minded on this and its a good idea to be that way. But face facts here: AWs make lousy wives overall. Sure there are some good ones out there but they are more rare than what guys want to admit. Sure, I have been married to an AW but I'm not bitter or "bigoted" or whatever I just don't buy into the extreme feminist nonsense.Most guys here in the US are so afraid they will never get laid again that they buy into this nonsense.

    Researcher

[opusone]

 

  I would say that you are wrong Opusone.You even contradicted yourself by saying Colombia has more women that are suitable wife material, in concentration. AWs are not good wife material period. I know some guys try to remain open minded on this and its a good idea to be that way. But face facts here: AWs make lousy wives overall. Sure there are some good ones out there but they are more rare than what guys want to admit. Sure, I have been married to an AW but I'm not bitter or "bigoted" or whatever I just don't buy into the extreme feminist nonsense.Most guys here in the US are so afraid they will never get laid again that they buy into this nonsense.

    Researcher

Researcher, It's just an opinion based on me dating latin women in general, not just Colombians. It doesn't make it wrong or right as it is not an absolute. Have you dated Puerto Ricans, Argentinian, Spaniards, or just Colombians? What period of time were you in these relationships? I don't think I contradicted myself because if you read carefully I balanced out the statement that in Colombia, there is also a high concentration of negatives that you wouldn't generally see in an American woman. Hence it wouldn't matter where she came from. It just seems to me that it boils down to picking the right woman and not the right nationality or race. Again, it's just an opinion on a forum . To prove my point further you say  the facts are here>>> "AW's make lousy wives overall" . So, how many wives have you had? Must be in the millions. Just sounds real general and jaded based upon you marrying the wrong AW. I hope you didn't or wont marry the wrong latina. It's all the same and you would be right back here writing about how lousy they are too.

[Traveler]

I disagree completely that "women are the same".  They are profoundly different because of their culture, their experiences, their environment.  That's why Hispanic women who grow up in the US behave mostly like AW.  Let's go down the list.  How many AW live with their parents until they get married?  How many AW generally spend their weekends by getting together with their families?  How many AW want to have kids before 30?  And how many AW have a figure typical of a Colombian woman?  AW are not better or worse than Colombian women, but what the two offer differs profoundly.  It's not a question of who is better, but what you like and dislike, what you can accept and what you can't.
 
People are people, and everyone is an individual regardless of their race, ethnicity or other attributes.  Having said that, there are certain traits that are discouraged or encouraged within certain cultures.  For instance, Germans are more punctual on average than Colombians because in the German culture I assume it is shameful to be late, and in the Colombian culture it is not.
 
So, there are guys for whom an average Colombian woman would be completely unsuitable, and there are those for whom an average Colombian woman would be a gift from heaven, both in terms of their apperance and in terms of their personality.  For example, there are people who buy a Mini Couper, and there are people who buy Chrysler 300.  They likely pay about the same, yet those cars are completely different, and I don't see how the same guy could be shopping for both at the same time.  The same thing goes for women as well.  I mean, if a guy wants a girl who is 1) skinny and blond, 2) professionally ambitious, 3) earns a lot of money, 4) is not jealous or prone to creating drama, 5) 100% punctual, 6) who wants to live a child free life - I doubt he would be considering a Colombian woman in the first place.  Granted, there are Colombian women who will meet all or at least most of those conditions, but they are exceptions.
 
As for me, I strongly prefer the physical appearance of Hispanic women, and particularly Colombianas, over other ethnicities.  I strongly like the traits I consider positive - and those traits are rare among the American or European women, and I can put up with the negative traits just fine.

[Researcher]

  Well Opusone, I don't have to marry many AWs to know they make lousy wives. All I have to do is look around at all the miserable married guys.There are a few that may be happy but they are the exception.Now my question is if it is a matter of picking the right woman why are you and other guys here looking outside the US? I would think if AWs are so great then you wouldn't feel the need to leave the US.If you like latinas then go to Miami,Texas, California,New York and so on to find a latina.The problem is the man-hating culture here in the US have made AWs so self centered they are lousy in relationships. Sure there are bad women in every culture but there are many good ones to choose from in other cultures that haven't been brainwashed with feminist nonsense.

      Researcher

[InnocentVixen]

Latin non-american women are no better or worse than American women.
All human beings deserve respect, yes. Some american women will make great wives for some guy out there? you bet. But like Traveler said, it's all about what you are looking for in a woman, if you are tired of hearing how great "colombianas" are, I am right there with you, not because they are not great but because there are so many great women all around the world, if that is their cup of tea I respect that.


This is a forum for those looking to find a foreign wife and most posters are american, it is to be expected they are not attracted to an american woman or they would not be looking elsewhere, the rest of the posters tend to have the same complaint, they don't like feminists, they are looking for an old fashioned marriage or at least somewhat traditional... or hell they just like the looks or the age range available and that might be pretty hard to find where they live.


Also I would say you have to take into account that you are latino yourself, well, kind of. You are familiar with the culture and might have a bit of the latino look going on, it is a world of difference for you since you get different reactions from women than for a guy that has not been around latinas all his life, specially non americanized ones.


I have an american lady penpal who is a great lady but she is obsessed with mexican men, even though they keep breaking her heart over and over, she will still look down on american men and talk how wonderful mexican men are... going into a relationship with the right attitude makes a big difference, so if I see certain men in a more positive light, I have better chances to make it work with them.


I'll admit one of the things that attracts me the most about dating someone from other culture is the extra effort and patience you put into the relationship, after all that work to find the right one and to be together it would be pretty hard to take your partner for granted, not to mention the differences keep things interesting.


I think most guys here seem to respect women in general, also they might not be many but we do have some posters around who haven't had bad experiences with women in their own country, my boyfriend is one of them! and you seem to be one of them as well, so ask yourself, why are you looking outside the US really? why do you go through all this trouble? perhaps it is because a foreign wife it's the right choice for you, that does not make it the right choice for everyone.


P.S. Is it just me or am I starting to put our dear Rob to shame with the length of my posts? 

[Researcher]

  Hey IV, I can say from experience there are many good women in Mexico.Living there convinced me to look outside the US for a wife because all the guys I met there had great wives and families.There were many awesome single women there also I just had to get over the idea that all foreign women were just looking for a green card.Once I understood this wasn't true I opened up to the idea of marrying a foreign woman.Now that I have I can say it is the best decision I ever made.

    I just don't think AWs are worth the trouble.Apparently many guys feel the same otherwise why would we learn another language and jump through all the USCIS hoops to marry a foreign woman?....because AWs are lousy in relationships that's why!! hahaha!!!


  Researcher

[opusone]

Latin non-american women are no better or worse than American women.
All human beings deserve respect, yes. Some american women will make great wives for some guy out there? you bet. But like Traveler said, it's all about what you are looking for in a woman, if you are tired of hearing how great "colombianas" are, I am right there with you, not because they are not great but because there are so many great women all around the world, if that is their cup of tea I respect that.


This is a forum for those looking to find a foreign wife and most posters are american, it is to be expected they are not attracted to an american woman or they would not be looking elsewhere, the rest of the posters tend to have the same complaint, they don't like feminists, they are looking for an old fashioned marriage or at least somewhat traditional... or hell they just like the looks or the age range available and that might be pretty hard to find where they live.


Also I would say you have to take into account that you are latino yourself, well, kind of. You are familiar with the culture and might have a bit of the latino look going on, it is a world of difference for you since you get different reactions from women than for a guy that has not been around latinas all his life, specially non americanized ones.


I have an american lady penpal who is a great lady but she is obsessed with mexican men, even though they keep breaking her heart over and over, she will still look down on american men and talk how wonderful mexican men are... going into a relationship with the right attitude makes a big difference, so if I see certain men in a more positive light, I have better chances to make it work with them.


I'll admit one of the things that attracts me the most about dating someone from other culture is the extra effort and patience you put into the relationship, after all that work to find the right one and to be together it would be pretty hard to take your partner for granted, not to mention the differences keep things interesting.


I think most guys here seem to respect women in general, also they might not be many but we do have some posters around who haven't had bad experiences with women in their own country, my boyfriend is one of them! and you seem to be one of them as well, so ask yourself, why are you looking outside the US really? why do you go through all this trouble? perhaps it is because a foreign wife it's the right choice for you, that does not make it the right choice for everyone.


P.S. Is it just me or am I starting to put our dear Rob to shame with the length of my posts? 


IV, all valid points.. In terms of me being "kind of " latino. I'm not sure what that means, I am latino, born and bred and still live in a latin dominated society. Your question states, "why am i looking outside the u.s.? I am not looking outside the u.s. or specifically in one country or the other. I travel to Colombia a lot, and therefore its a great base for me to find what i like in terms of preference. It sure isn't because she's "colombian" or better than any other nationality.. When i traveled to Brazil, the same paradigm took hold. I think my second sentence of the original posts clearly states that. What i am saying or the point I am trying to get across is that a lot of men are of the opinion that dating/marrying latinas somehow correlates to , as  Researcher puts it "AW's are lousy wives overall". He didn't state if he had a lousy Aw wife or not, just that they are "lousy in relationships". I have dated lousy colombians, brazilians , Puerto ricans, etc. So, is it really that foreign women are better or that the WOMAN you pick is crap? THere are lots of men who have assumed just because THEY want a latina, or any other nationality besides an AW, that it means it has a better chance of working out. For as many marriages that may work with foreign women, they may be plenty of failures just the same. I am sure you know people even on this board who it didnt work out for regardless of whether their wife was an AW or foreign. They are awful at picking the right partner period. They have the best advice but can't figure out why it just isn't working. As i said in my post, its not about foreign or domestic, but the woman/man you choose which will determine what happens.

[whitey]

Wrong ...

My Colombian wife and Canadian ex-wife are like night and day.  My ex-wife is a good person and a great mother, but not a good wife.  While she doesn't represent all Canadian women, there are many many like her in my generation and younger.

I would never, ever, ever (did I mention ever?) settle for a Western woman again.

[Traveler]

Well, I disagree that AW by default are lousy and Colombianas by default are awesome.  There are good AW, and bad ones.  The same with Colombianas.  I have known and even dated Colombianas who - on a balance - were lousy.
 
However, I disagree that "all the women are the same" as well.  Their appearance, their culture, their "flavor" so to speak are all different.  The culture and the environment where the people grow up puts a stamp on a person's personality.  It's the same as saying that all the food is the same, all the cars are the same, all the houses are the same.  Granted, there is individual variation, but there is much higher likelyhood that a Hispanic woman for example will enjoy dancing salsa, or have a close relationship with her extended family. 
 
BTW, in my experience, most Latin guys here in the US are very fond of AW and European women.  I have a friend from Honduras who refuses to date Hispanic women, period.  Not everyone is so extreme, but the vast majority of my Hispanic friends - all things being equal - prefer AW to date if not to marry.

[whitey]

Well, I disagree that AW by default are lousy and Colombianas by default are awesome.  There are good AW, and bad ones.  The same with Colombianas.  I have known and even dated Colombianas who - on a balance - were lousy.
 
However, I disagree that "all the women are the same" as well.  Their appearance, their culture, their "flavor" so to speak are all different.  The culture and the environment where the people grow up puts a stamp on a person's personality.  It's the same as saying that all the food is the same, all the cars are the same, all the houses are the same.  Granted, there is individual variation, but there is much higher likelyhood that a Hispanic woman for example will enjoy dancing salsa, or have a close relationship with her extended family. 

I doubt you'll mind much disagreement with any of those statements.
 

BTW, in my experience, most Latin guys here in the US are very fond of AW and European women.  I have a friend from Honduras who refuses to date Hispanic women, period.  Not everyone is so extreme, but the vast majority of my Hispanic friends - all things being equal - prefer AW to date if not to marry.

All my Colombian friends here want to "date" (have frequent and hot coffee) with Canadian women.  For them, they are exotic.  I'm sure they'd feel pretty different after being married to one for a couple years, though!

[Jeff S]

Yes, I'm kind of with Traveler - there are good and bad ones everywhere - and their cultures do put a definite stamp on their personalities, attitudes and outlook that is hard to eradicate. Unfortunately that stamp in the US is way too often Gloria Steinem's "A women needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle." Other places the stamp is that two working together as a team is always better than one alone.

[opusone]

Well, I disagree that AW by default are lousy and Colombianas by default are awesome.  There are good AW, and bad ones.  The same with Colombianas.  I have known and even dated Colombianas who - on a balance - were lousy.
 
However, I disagree that "all the women are the same" as well.  Their appearance, their culture, their "flavor" so to speak are all different.  The culture and the environment where the people grow up puts a stamp on a person's personality.  It's the same as saying that all the food is the same, all the cars are the same, all the houses are the same.  Granted, there is individual variation, but there is much higher likelyhood that a Hispanic woman for example will enjoy dancing salsa, or have a close relationship with her extended family. 
 
BTW, in my experience, most Latin guys here in the US are very fond of AW and European women.  I have a friend from Honduras who refuses to date Hispanic women, period.  Not everyone is so extreme, but the vast majority of my Hispanic friends - all things being equal - prefer AW to date if not to marry.

This is exactly the point I was trying to convey. These wild and malicious generalizations can often lead to hate and if the wrong person perceives it to be true, then he/she spreads it as such. I remember telling colleagues of mine that I am going to Colombia for business and the first thing I got was the dreaded"eye". It was automatic for them to assume I would be hauling kilos in a submarine or running prepagos from my apartment. Never once was I accused of going to Colombia for anything legitimate, and these are "educated" people.
I have a Brazilian friend and this woman had this same thought process that "all" Brazilian men were dogs, oppressive, and therefore not worth marrying. She decided that American men are more to her liking because she was a liberated Brazilian. Well, she got a divorce 2 years later and when I asked her what happened, she stated American men are cheap and a lousy lay. Go figure. My rebuttal to her was "what's next, Chinese"? She couldn't bring herself to admit that she chose the wrong Brazilian and the wrong American, period.

[Bob_S]

I think Opus is just trying to discourage competition.   

P.S. Is it just me or am I starting to put our dear Rob to shame with the length of my posts? 

Never.   

[Traveler]

Well, Opusone, the way I understood your original post was that you were saying that women are the same, whether they are from US, South America, or elsewhere.  I can't agree with that at all.
 
And as for my choice for Latin women, well it's a combination of their physical appearance (which is on average a lot more attractive to me than other backgrounds) and what they bring into the relationship.  The good in their patterns of behavior IMHO far outweigh the negatives.  But again, there are guys for whom it would be the opposite.  I mean there are guys who go for American women, Asian women, for Russian women, for German women, etc.  Tastes differ.

[Researcher]

I would never, ever, ever (did I mention ever?) settle for a Western woman again.

    I'm with Whitey on this one.

    Opusone, get back to us when you marry a Colombiana....

     Researcher

[opusone]

Well, Opusone, the way I understood your original post was that you were saying that women are the same, whether they are from US, South America, or elsewhere.  I can't agree with that at all.
 
And as for my choice for Latin women, well it's a combination of their physical appearance (which is on average a lot more attractive to me than other backgrounds) and what they bring into the relationship.  The good in their patterns of behavior IMHO far outweigh the negatives.  But again, there are guys for whom it would be the opposite.  I mean there are guys who go for American women, Asian women, for Russian women, for German women, etc.  Tastes differ.

So as not to beat a dead horse on this forum, I will clarify what i meant since the title may cause some to think that I am saying "all" women are the same. That is the furthest thing form the point of the post . A careful read (instead of taking an excerpt from it) would clearly show that this is not what I am saying.


For the record, I don't believe all women are the same. I am not sure where you got that other then its your personal interpretation of what I wrote. Secondly, I stated that they are differences/similarities between latinas and AW, that I personally see everyday. I see Colombians that act very AWish, and AW's that have some "colombian " traits. Lastly , if you read the last line of the original post, that may in fact sum up the idea of the entire post. Which is to say it doesn't matter if you marry a Colombian, Russian, American, Japanese, BLack, the bottom line is that if it is the wrong WOMAN, then there is no difference in what her culture is, what her race is, what her religion is, what her morals are, etc. It's just the wrong WOMAN... If this isn't clear to you in terms of interpretation then it means you just don't agree, and I can respect that. I just wanted to clarify what was written, and I'm pretty sure I know why I wrote that.

[opusone]

    I'm with Whitey on this one.

    Opusone, get back to us when you marry a Colombiana....

     Researcher

How about I get back to you when I marry a good woman. She might be Turkish, Japanese, perhaps Irish...etc.. (hilarious)

[Alabamaboy!]

Both AW and Colombianas have their positives and negatives. I don't think either are anywhere near perfect for sure. But neither are we. 

You are right, a Colombiana might break your heart with some silly BS that she does out of the name of love or passion, but many AW will break your heart with lack of love and drama, or neglect.

I think one big difference is that if you are really attentive and take care of your Latina well, (spend time with her, love her, handle your business in the bed) they will probably not ever break your heart. But if you are not there for them physically, emotionally, romantically they will stray sooner or later.

An example about how I have seen most Latinas act: My wife has one of the ugliest dogs I have ever seen (not me, a real dog). But she treats it like it is the most beautiful dog in the world, always giving her baths, kissing her, spending a lot of times with her. I asked her why she loves that super ugly dog so much and she told me "because it is my dog and I love it, that's why". And I have seen a lot of Latinas stick with guys even though they not so attractive, as long as they love them and spend time with them. Just like the dog.

But AW are typically not going to tolerate imperfections. They are more superficial. Remember the other thread with the video detailing the 300 things they are looking for?

I do however see many problems with Costenas, the list seems to be getting longer and longer. But for me they are still in general, a much better option for my personality than an AW.

I imagine for other guys, as Traveler mentioned, AW would be a much better choice. For example if they wanted a girl with a great 401K plan, blond, with a high paying career.

[Researcher]

How about I get back to you when I marry a good woman. She might be Turkish, Japanese, perhaps Irish...etc.. (hilarious)

    Or you can find yourself an AW if you are into fat chicks! hahaha!

        Researcher

[Researcher]

Yes, I'm kind of with Traveler - there are good and bad ones everywhere - and their cultures do put a definite stamp on their personalities, attitudes and outlook that is hard to eradicate. Unfortunately that stamp in the US is way too often Gloria Steinem's "A women needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle." Other places the stamp is that two working together as a team is always better than one alone.

     Jeff S. is correct on this point.Culture and what it teaches does have alot to do with a woman and how she views things.

     Researcher

[opusone]

    Or you can find yourself an AW if you are into fat chicks! hahaha!

        Researcher

How about a fat Colombian. I saw plenty last month. I'm learning so much from you.

[Alabamaboy!]

How about a fat Colombian. I saw plenty last month. I'm learning so much from you.

Yeah man, it is getting bad on the Coast. I see more and more obesity. It seems to be skyrocketing there. Medellin folks seemed to be pretty fit in comparison.

[opusone]

Yeah man, it is getting bad on the Coast. I see more and more obesity. It seems to be skyrocketing there. Medellin folks seemed to be pretty fit in comparison.

Real bad. A lot of them don't believe in working out, or that they would get fat in life . Meantime you can see the cellulite pouring thru on santa marta. I agree, Medellin, Bogota women pay attention to this. Cali, is getting like that too. I think its more cultural , and the coast has a different type of influence. Guess i'll scratch "all" Colombianas off of my list... NOT!

[gollen]

a good woman is not about where she comes from no" it is how she is and who she is. am from zambia gollen