MOB on Dr. Phil

[Brazilophile]

I got home yesterday and saw the last 10 minutes or so of Dr. Phil.  (His show leads into the local news.)  The topic was foreign wives.  He was interviewing 2 American men who had married foreign women.  The part I saw was the tail end of a Russian woman with a horror story about her American ex husband, and a few minutes with the owner of A Foreign Affair.

It really wasn't worth watching as the questions and answers were 30-second sound bites.  There was absolutely no depth.  He didn't outright insult the men but he strongly implied  that there was something wrong with the men who reject American women as wife material.  The questions I heard were of the "justify why you do this" type.  I am sure the program was entertaining to those who are biased against international marriages. 

Anyone see more of it than I did?

[benjio]

I didn't see this episode of Dr. Phil, but back when Montell Jordan had a talk show this was the topic once. There were only women from Russia and Asia on the show. The underlying theme wasn't disapproval with foreign marriages. Although Montell did side with most of the women in the audience that made negative comments toward the couples, he was for the most part open minded and understanding of where the men were coming from. The biggest problem with shows and documentaries like this is usually the men site a disdain for American women as the reason they searched for a wife in another country. I think this is definitely a motivating factor but not the always the primary reason. I prefer dark latinas, the traditional idea of marriage, and an affectionate partner. I had trouble finding that here so I went elsewhere. Although I don't like the some of the tendencies and behaviors of some AW's, I know for a fact there are great women out there in this country.
 
Dr. Phil knows very well who is audience is. And regardless of how illogical he is sometimes, rest assured he'll always take the side and have the opinion that's popular amoungst women.
 
Most American Women I meet feel very threatened by the fact that American men have an alternative, and we don't have to put up with their behavior. What's even scarier for attractive AW's is the greater standard of beauty in other countries. Women that come here from the Phillipines, or Colombia for example, are significantly leaner, prettier, more natural and feminine. I think it's only natural for them to feel threatened and try to build arguments against American Men seeking out foreign women.

[Researcher]

   If Dr Phil ever had a "man card" he lost it a long time ago.But as it is with most of these talk shows they try and pick the most controversial subjects they can to keep their ratings up.Of course they side with the majority of their viewers(women) besides most guys in the US aren't going to come right out a say what they are thinking anyway.

  The reason I looked outside the US is to have more options and while there are some decent AWs out there I found the situation was like parking spaces: The good ones are taken and the only ones left are crappy ones or handicapped!

     Researcher

[benjio]

   If Dr Phil ever had a "man card" he lost it a long time ago.But as it is with most of these talk shows they try and pick the most controversial subjects they can to keep their ratings up.Of course they side with the majority of their viewers(women) besides most guys in the US aren't going to come right out a say what they are thinking anyway.

  The reason I looked outside the US is to have more options and while there are some decent AWs out there I found the situation was like parking spaces: The good ones are taken and the only ones left are crappy ones or handicapped!

     Researcher

....or fat and ugly.

[saleens7tt]

I didn't see this episode of Dr. Phil, but back when Montell Jordan had a talk show this was the topic once. There were only women from Russia and Asia on the show. The underlying theme wasn't disapproval with foreign marriages. Although Montell did side with most of the women in the audience that made negative comments toward the couples, he was for the most part open minded and understanding of where the men were coming from. The biggest problem with shows and documentaries like this is usually the men site a disdain for American women as the reason they searched for a wife in another country. I think this is definitely a motivating factor but not the always the primary reason. I prefer dark latinas, the traditional idea of marriage, and an affectionate partner. I had trouble finding that here so I went elsewhere. Although I don't like the some of the tendencies and behaviors of some AW's, I know for a fact there are great women out there in this country.
 
Dr. Phil knows very well who is audience is. And regardless of how illogical he is sometimes, rest assured he'll always take the side and have the opinion that's popular amoungst women.
 
Most American Women I meet feel very threatened by the fact that American men have an alternative, and we don't have to put up with their behavior. What's even scarier for attractive AW's is the greater standard of beauty in other countries. Women that come here from the Phillipines, or Colombia for example, are significantly leaner, prettier, more natural and feminine. I think it's only natural for them to feel threatened and try to build
arguments against American Men seeking out foreign women.

I concur.....amazes me how aw complain that can't find a good man....then treat
good men like a child. Thank god for alternatives for us like latin america, asia, etc

[Fuzzyone]

 From what I have seen of Dr Phil he usually spends his airtime beating the guys down anyway he can. He caters to the crowd mostly A.W. who are bitter!

[bcc_1_2]

It used to be that posters would get so worked up about the inaccurate or unfair portrayal of this issue on TV. I didn't see it, but maybe it was a rerun because Dr. Phil has gone there before. It is always the same formula.... find a scary looking old man that was overseas dating someone much younger and more attractive who then went on to have relationship troubles... and put it on TV and cater to the demographic that watches his program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB025a4_RNs

In this country we have an obesity epidemic. For that reason alone even before discussing any other issue I understand looking into a culture where women get a little exercise and and care about their health. And you just have to take it for what it is.... Dr Phil can't look at his audience and say come on now... you are a bunch of fat asses with unrealistic expectations giving any decent man you ever met a hard time.

But I'll let you in on a little secret... this MOB term only seems to register and apply to older men (50s, 60s) going to a poorer foreign country to meet young women. If you are 25 (like i was) and meet a girl a couple years younger... nobody is calling her an MOB. And that is the secret. Don't go overseas in your 50s when you are frustrated and at your wits end after a divorce. Never marry the AW in the first place. But most American guys can't find Honduras (or most countries) on a map so what's the difference.

[Jeff S]

So your suggestion is that instead of being 50 something and divorced, you should instead be 20 something and single? Great advice! Wonder if it'll work for someone who is 50 something and married?

[benjio]

Thank goodness I learned my lesson early. I knew what I wanted and I knew that wasn't what I was surrounded by. My first dive into the foreign pool was at 28. There are only three reasons I can think of for men in the U.S. still marrying AW's:

Ignorance - they don't know they have other options.

Laziness - they can't get themselves motivated enough to get up and actually take that first trip.

Fear - they don't have the balls to take the risk

I don't think there are many American Men, that if exposed to what women from other countries are like, would prefer to marry an AW.
 

[Colgando]

Thank goodness I learned my lesson early. I knew what I wanted and I knew that wasn't what I was surrounded by. My first dive into the foreign pool was at 28. There are only three reasons I can think of for men in the U.S. still marrying AW's:

Ignorance - they don't know they have other options.

Laziness - they can't get themselves motivated enough to get up and actually take that first trip.

Fear - they don't have the balls to take the risk

I don't think there are many American Men, that if exposed to what women from other countries are like, would prefer to marry an AW.

Estoy de acuerdo totalmente....I would add some guys may not have the financial resources, this adventure is not cheap. Since I updated my Facebook page with my novia's pictures, there are a few of my homies that want to sign up to have a sweet, sexy Colombian woman....jejejeje. If it were to work out with my novia, I imagine many of my homies would be even more interested if they saw her/us in person....

[bcc_1_2]

So your suggestion is that instead of being 50 something and divorced, you should instead be 20 something and single? Great advice! Wonder if it'll work for someone who is 50 something and married?

I'm saying if that guy on Dr. Phil looked for an attractive professional from the FSU in her 30s (single mom, divorced professional, or whatever) that wants a good steady guy he probably wouldn't have ended up on the show and fed to the feminist wolves.

Obviously you are being humorous about it but that goofy old guy on the Dr. Phil show was trying to go back to his 20s or teens.

I broke up with my college girlfriend... then traveled to Costa Rica, Colombia, Mexico, and Honduras. Not many in their mid 20s do that, nor can they find those countries on a map (other than Mexico).

To the guy's credit though I would imagine it is hard to pass up on very attractive young women that may not have even paid attention to him in his youth. He should have had (safe) sex and gotten it out of his system and moved on.

[JWR]

I have a sailing yacht charter business so I am in a position to observe alot of dating behavior between AW and AM..  Last week I had a full boat of couples for a sunset cruise celebration.  Three of the girls brought their poodles, and proceeded to coddle and baby the dogs for the entire cruise while the guys sat around like idiots.  Romantic sunset cruise and the girls are dressing their dogs, and worrying if they are cold, and their nose is running, and worrying they will fall overboard and on an on.  1 couple I know met on match.com.  Romantic sunset cruise and the dogs get all the attention.....  Then they got on the subject of one guy that they were gossiping about, and how he really didn't make that much money......175k a year.  I have had some really nice American women on my boat that I would love to date.....But of course they were with guys that looked like jean claude van dam, and were too young for me.  The majority of the middle age women are either too chubby, have bad teeth, or a princess attitude.  2 nights ago I had a sexy mexican women on the boat with her arrogant jerk rich fiance.  Of course she had a huge diamond on her finger that offset this guy's character flaws.  It may not be prostitution, but it's darn close in my view.
So I have more couples this evening, and I'm hoping that the averages will tip, and my crappy perspective will be changed, but I'm not holding my breath.
Trying to meet women in a different country with a different culture is in my opinion, not a great idea.
But this is an emergency. What are we supposed to do?

[Jeff S]

Well, I also didn't make the mistake the first time, thanks to getting to travel the world on an expense account in my 20s and 30s while single, all over the US too. The available options in culture of marriage and family relationships, were in stark contrast to the options back home even back in the 70s and 80s. Even more so today.


http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/08/16/american-girls-suck/

[Colgando]

I have a sailing yacht charter business so I am in a position to observe alot of dating behavior between AW and AM..  Last week I had a full boat of couples for a sunset cruise celebration.  Three of the girls brought their poodles, and proceeded to coddle and baby the dogs for the entire cruise while the guys sat around like idiots.  Romantic sunset cruise and the girls are dressing their dogs, and worrying if they are cold, and their nose is running, and worrying they will fall overboard and on an on.  1 couple I know met on match.com.  Romantic sunset cruise and the dogs get all the attention.....  Then they got on the subject of one guy that they were gossiping about, and how he really didn't make that much money......175k a year.  I have had some really nice American women on my boat that I would love to date.....But of course they were with guys that looked like jean claude van dam, and were too young for me.  The majority of the middle age women are either too chubby, have bad teeth, or a princess attitude.  2 nights ago I had a sexy mexican women on the boat with her arrogant jerk rich fiance.  Of course she had a huge diamond on her finger that offset this guy's character flaws.  It may not be prostitution, but it's darn close in my view.
So I have more couples this evening, and I'm hoping that the averages will tip, and my crappy perspective will be changed, but I'm not holding my breath.
Trying to meet women in a different country with a different culture is in my opinion, not a great idea.
But this is an emergency. What are we supposed to do?

Interesting post....

[bcc_1_2]

Well, I also didn't make the mistake the first time, thanks to getting to travel the world on an expense account in my 20s and 30s while single, all over the US too. The available options in culture of marriage and family relationships, were in stark contrast to the options back home even back in the 70s and 80s. Even more so today.


http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/08/16/american-girls-suck/

Yep we are the minority then. And my opinion probably isn't politically correct for a board like this but I say if you need to have sex with the 19 year old model and get it out of your system if you must.

That blog was interesting (and I can't believe how fat women are getting here in the Midwest), but unlike the example in the blog I did not fold and propose under pressure. There are still some guys that are technically not supposed to hang out with me because of that.

[JWR]

So last night I again had the couple on my boat with the poodle aboard......
So the wife of this guy is again coddling the poodle and worrying about the fireworks hurting the dogs ears and on and on while the guy sits alone.  Then she happens to pick up his phone and look around in the phone,  and sees he's been chatting some other girls ha ha ha ha.  They get into a huge fight and marriage is over just like that before my eyes.  She then proceeds to tell everybody on the boat right in front of the guy how much of a "nothing" this guy is....blah blah blah.
Maybe they will be featured on Match.com as an example of the happiness you can find.....
 

I have a sailing yacht charter business so I am in a position to observe alot of dating behavior between AW and AM..  Last week I had a full boat of couples for a sunset cruise celebration.  Three of the girls brought their poodles, and proceeded to coddle and baby the dogs for the entire cruise while the guys sat around like idiots.  Romantic sunset cruise and the girls are dressing their dogs, and worrying if they are cold, and their nose is running, and worrying they will fall overboard and on an on.  1 couple I know met on match.com.  Romantic sunset cruise and the dogs get all the attention.....  Then they got on the subject of one guy that they were gossiping about, and how he really didn't make that much money......175k a year.  I have had some really nice American women on my boat that I would love to date.....But of course they were with guys that looked like jean claude van dam, and were too young for me.  The majority of the middle age women are either too chubby, have bad teeth, or a princess attitude.  2 nights ago I had a sexy mexican women on the boat with her arrogant jerk rich fiance.  Of course she had a huge diamond on her finger that offset this guy's character flaws.  It may not be prostitution, but it's darn close in my view.
So I have more couples this evening, and I'm hoping that the averages will tip, and my crappy perspective will be changed, but I'm not holding my breath.
Trying to meet women in a different country with a different culture is in my opinion, not a great idea.
But this is an emergency. What are we supposed to do?

[fathertime]

So last night I again had the couple on my boat with the poodle aboard......
So the wife of this guy is again coddling the poodle and worrying about the fireworks hurting the dogs ears and on and on while the guy sits alone.  Then she happens to pick up his phone and look around in the phone,  and sees he's been chatting some other girls ha ha ha ha.  They get into a huge fight and marriage is over just like that before my eyes.  She then proceeds to tell everybody on the boat right in front of the guy how much of a "nothing" this guy is....blah blah blah.
Maybe they will be featured on Match.com as an example of the happiness you can find.....

It sounds like the man was quite the patsy to allow the woman to get to the point where she felt she could dictate one-sided terms and disrespect the man like it appears she was.
 If the man has any testosterone left, he should be elated that he is free from this silly woman and her pampered poodle. 


Fathertime! 

[Jeff S]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2JrkNBHJFuM

[DesmondID]

But I'll let you in on a little secret... this MOB term only seems to register and apply to older men (50s, 60s) going to a poorer foreign country to meet young women. If you are 25 (like i was) and meet a girl a couple years younger... nobody is calling her an MOB. And that is the secret. Don't go overseas in your 50s when you are frustrated and at your wits end after a divorce. Never marry the AW in the first place. But most American guys can't find Honduras (or most countries) on a map so what's the difference.

eh... When you are 50 your girl is going to be 48.. The 50 year old that goes after a young woman after his divorce will be with a 20-30 y/o.. When the four of you meet for drinks and the two men are staring at each others women who is going to be feeling like they made the better choice?

people get married young (I did - I was 20, she was 18).. If you go through a divorce and marry in your 50's you hopefully go with your best options.

[bcc_1_2]

eh... When you are 50 your girl is going to be 48.. The 50 year old that goes after a young woman after his divorce will be with a 20-30 y/o.. When the four of you meet for drinks and the two men are staring at each others women who is going to be feeling like they made the better choice?

people get married young (I did - I was 20, she was 18).. If you go through a divorce and marry in your 50's you hopefully go with your best options.

Asian women tend to age very well. In my opinion with the latinas it really depends on if they exercise and lead a healthy lifestyle or not (that's why I married a futbol player).

Anyways I got married at 27 not 18 or 20 (big difference), but since we can't know the future I will play along with the scenario you provided. Let's say I am 50 and divorced. The age range you gave (20 to 30) is a big difference. If I was 50 and unfortunately divorced I could see myself looking for an educated professional in her 30s. But like I said above if best I could get means 18 to 20 year old model I think that's a bad idea and has the makings of a Dr. Phil segment.   

[fathertime]

eh... When you are 50 your girl is going to be 48.. The 50 year old that goes after a young woman after his divorce will be with a 20-30 y/o.. When the four of you meet for drinks and the two men are staring at each others women who is going to be feeling like they made the better choice?

people get married young (I did - I was 20, she was 18).. If you go through a divorce and marry in your 50's you hopefully go with your best options.

I think it is hard for BCC to relate real well with slightly older men therefore I think he is a little too critical.  If he is lucky he will remain happily married for a lifetime, to a woman about his same age.  It would be difficult for me to pull that off, although when I was in my early 20's I probably thought the same as he does now. 


Fathertime!

[DesmondID]

Asian women tend to age very well. In my opinion with the latinas it really depends on if they exercise and lead a healthy lifestyle or not (that's why I married a futbol player).

Anyways I got married at 27 not 18 or 20 (big difference), but since we can't know the future I will play along with the scenario you provided. Let's say I am 50 and divorced. The age range you gave (20 to 30) is a big difference. If I was 50 and unfortunately divorced I could see myself looking for an educated professional in her 30s. But like I said above if best I could get means 18 to 20 year old model I think that's a bad idea and has the makings of a Dr. Phil segment.

Good points.. and I hope your relationship goes the distance. My main point was don't feel too sorry for the 50+ year old with the new young wife. The Dr. Phil comments probably are not bothering him that much 

[bcc_1_2]

My understanding was the guy on the Dr Phil show got "scammed", so he's not in a good place right now. I don't feel sorry for  "the old guy with the new young wife"...  its just the train wreck that's coming...

Again I guess it just depends on what you mean by "young". If you mean 30 or 35 I completely understand... if you mean the teen beauty queen.... crash.

I think guys need to decide if they are rightfully annoyed with American women or if it is more than that. If in principle you couldn't stay married to a woman 3 years younger than you who treats you well and maintains her figure.... well that's your right but you can't blame women for getting older.

[DesmondID]

I think it is hard for BCC to relate real well with slightly older men therefore I think he is a little too critical.  If he is lucky he will remain happily married for a lifetime, to a woman about his same age.  It would be difficult for me to pull that off, although when I was in my early 20's I probably thought the same as he does now. 

I see what you mean....