How many of your Latina exes........

[Ray]

However you need to chill dude.

Let's say (for arguements sake) he is telling people to be respectful and you can get hundreds of dates without needing to marry anyone. So what? That's hardly rocket science is it? It just helps to put his advice in context.

You don't need to agree with him or take any of his advice.

How is it any different to advising guys to learn some Spanish, be a gentleman, then spend thousands of dollars and you can go an agency, date 30 women in a week and write about each of your dates on the internet?

　
Oh, I assure you that I am quite chilled dude! But why do you sound so upset? LOL!
　
How is it different? It’s different because of the absolute arrogant and condescending way in which he "preached" at us and portrayed himself as the example to be followed. I guess you missed that previous exchange. 
　

You can't seriously want to limit this forum to men who are 100% determined to be married.

　
Huh? Where did I say that I wanted to limit this forum to men who are committed to marriage? Go back and read my post again please, because I think you missed the whole point.
　
Ray

[Researcher]

"There are many different definitions of sex tourist"...OK let's take a look at some:

sex tourism. Travel undertaken primarily or exclusively by men from developed countries, usually to third world countries, for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity, often of an extreme, forbidden, or illegal nature.

sex tourism n tourism with the intention of exploiting permissive or poorly enforced local laws concerning sex, esp sex with children.

travel to a foreign country where the laws on sex or prostitution are liberal, in order to have sex with prostitutes.

Sex tourism Sex tourism is travel to engage in sexual activity with prostitutes. The World Tourism Organization, a specialized agency of the United Nations, defines sex tourism as "trips organized from within the tourism sector, or from outside this sector but using its structures and networks, with the primary purpose of effecting a commercial sexual relationship by the tourist with residents at the destination". [1] While sex tourism can refer to a variety of commercial sexual activities, agencies and academics [who?] sometimes distinguish between adult sex tourism, child sex tourism and female sex tourism to refer to different kinds of sex tourism. Attractions for sex tourists can include reduced costs for services in the destination country, along with either legal prostitution or indifferent law enforcement and access to child prostitution.

sex tourism n tourism with the intention of exploiting permissive or poorly enforced local laws concerning sex, esp. sex with children.

         There are several definitions of sex tourist and they all have something in common:They all mention prostitution, illegal activity or sex with children. Talk about hypocrisy! There are those that are concerned about the reputation of some nameless and faceless women who,at the same time, are attaching such a negative term to someone...on the internet for all to read.It doesn't matter how PL defines sex tourist because the rest of the world, who can read this forum, has a definition that is different and more negative.This kind of slander is wrong.

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[Ray]

 

About the "Sex Tourist" label, there are many definitions of what a sex tourist is. Here on this forum, the term has been loosely used to describe those who travel to foreign countries with no intention of marriage, but to have sex with the women, whether they are paying for it or not. If you dislike the term, then call it whatever you want, but this forum has always been about finding a marriage partner, not simply about sleeping with foreign women.

SHEESH!
 
 
 

[V_Man]

OK Ray I understand what you are saying.

[Researcher]

OK Ray I understand what you are saying.

      That makes one of us! And it doesn't excuse slandering another poster.What is being said here is that it is OK to call someone something as long as I change the definition of the term in my own mind.

       Researcher

     

[dennislevy]

OK, this is interesting.......

I appreciate Vman, Reresearcher and Andy sticking up fo rme...but I m pretty capable of  it.....as well.

The definitions used by Planet-love and WHO (and that Resarcher included in his post)is on point

BUT the defintion that Ray advanced is ABSURD...... Let me see..... if you travel from your home country to another country and you meet women as a result of straight dating...and dont pay them to have sex with you....that makes you a sex tourist?

 Let s say a man lives in California and he decides he wants to visit New York City. So he gets on an American dating site and he chats with women in NewYork...........he s a responsible adult. ,,,not married......books a hotel in New York City and has a few dates and one or more of those women are his guests for the night in his hotel room. and they are sexual partners.

During the week, he goes to the Empire State Building and takes in a Broadway show.....because those are things that TOURISTS do in New York... right?  , After a few days in the Bg Apple, he flies back to his home in California...

Does that make him a sex tourist? ? According to Ray s definition...well, he traveled someplace else, SO HE WAS A TOURIST and he had SEX, so he s gotta be a sex tourist.

Ray, congratulations......that s a new low in your logic....... And now for the rest of the posters... here is what is going to happen. After his  logic has been found deficient....Ray is going to get REALLY  nasty......

I LIVE in Colombia, I ve been here for about three years...so Im hardly a tourist.

What I am is an ex pat......

I teach Engish from time to time........I go out wiith women, for coffee for lunches for dinners .  I don t  go to whorehouses or pay for women to come to me. for sex and I ve never accepted a proposition from a woman in the street.  I ve never dated anyone younger then 30...so I m not a pedophile...............Any woman is free to say NO and many won t chat with me on cupido or wont answer a message that I write them for  whatever reasons......So  the playing field is  as level as I can make it. ......

As far as bragging about ALL of my sexual conquests...

1. I  llike to think of them as mutual conquests....the  women WANTED ME AS WELL....if  it was for a night, or it was a relationship over a period of time,......they also wanted to be with me!   I don t look like James Bond. and they know I live here.....so I think they were intrigued by an American man who spoke very good Spanish and understood so much about the culture......and maybe I know something  about women......and I understand  how women in my dating pool feel and think.

And over and over those are the points that I ve made to men on this form..

LEARN SPANISH......
UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE,
MAKE REALISTIC DATING CHOICES..

But that s not setting myself up as a moral example to emulate.

2. In addition many Colombian women are sexual creatures....and to have sex with a man serves THEM aS WELL......for a number of purposes and I ve written about them......There s not much point of living and straight dating in another country if you don t embrace the culture!!!!!

3 And I ve never publicly put out a number of how many women I ve made love to...........but, its certainly less then 220 or so!!!! I ll go a bit further....most of the women I ve met...I not only NOT have had sex with them....I never even kissed them on the mouth.....it was a kiss on the cheek.....cuidate mucho and nothing more then that.

I must be a pretty poor sex tourist!!!!!!!

As far as being a gentleman, I ve never given the name of any woman I ve met or  dated......and I ve never given enough details about any woman...so that someone would recognize their identity...When I describe a woman as say...46, divorced, no Kids and from Bogota...its a way of making clear the incredible diversity of women in Colombia. I HAVE described SOME women in more detaiL...recently I described the life of a  51 year old widow in Bucamaranga......but only as a way to illustrate the sometimes tragic and vioent history of Colomiba and what women face here......

A lot of the time...gringos are frustrated because they never know the real reason why Colombian women break up with them   I  wrote some details about why some Colombian women broke up with me and went on to other men.. I thought it might be interesting for some men to read.

I ve also written extensively about my travels in Colombia, I ve described cities and towns-  Ive given references of hotels, hostals, restuaurants, prices, travel tips.....information on visas for foreigners,  how to qualify a woman politely  on the Internet...comments on the feminine psyche of  Colombian women, what to do in a first face to face date.....observations abbut the advantages and disadvantages of agency dating, detaileld  descritions of how the major agenies work or dont work.... and maybe a few more topics..

I never claimed  to be an example of traditional piety. I did tradiitonal piety for  more then 25 years in the US...and I wasn t all that happy.  BUT I ve always tried to be appreciative of any woman that has spent any time with me.......from the proverbial cup of coffee up to and including....a lover.  And I dont call ANY woman, real or hypothetical...a SLUT.

Finally the argument that that I am not being a gentleman becase these women might read this page......I don t tell women about my participation on this board....and almost every woman I ve ever dated in Colombia DOESNT SPEAK OR READ English!!!!!
 
As far as bragging.....that I had met more then 200 women. originally, when I said it, it was probably like 170.....and when I wrote it......I said some men may not believe me.   Guys who live here like Andy Lee know or guys who understand e the culture because they ve been here....its not bragging...its SO much easier to meet Colombian women when someone lives in Colombia and can travel!!!!!!!..........Posters like FatherTime always add more....for him its a ongoing joke...and for others, maybe they are jealous...because its harder to meet women in their own country..
 
Every man chooses his own road, if a man went overseas and found a foregn wife and he s happy....thats great....but to tell the truith I would like to listen  to the wives of some those men......just one or two men!!!!

jejejejeje

Vaya con Dios, caballeros!




 

[Researcher]

       Well Dennis, I know you are capable of defending yourself I just can't make the connection between what one poster is ranting about and reality.We kinda got the sex tourist issue settled in that some folks obviously don't know the definition of the term.So you aren't a sex tourist.But also it has been said that you are a hypocrite because you preach about being a gentleman while at the same time "brag about banging women on this forum"....  Say what? I think if someone is going to make charges like that they should prove it by giving examples or just stay quiet.To simply go on a rant attacking someone without giving proof is irresponsible.So far other members here aren't making the connection of what the heck one poster is whining about.I'm not making the connection either.

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[Gato4Astrid]

And over and over those are the points that I ve made to men on this form..

LEARN SPANISH......
UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE,
MAKE REALISTIC DATING CHOICES..

 

You forgot one more line
HAVE COFFEE WITH 240 WOMEN  (or 256 from FT)
 
 

[Researcher]

You forgot one more line
HAVE COFFEE WITH 240 WOMEN  (or 256 from FT)

         Hey Gato, that would be bragging and Dennis would be called a "coffee tourist"! hahaha!!!


        Researcher

[dennislevy]

And I include gato4Astrid as one of the jealous posters.
 
Not that anyonce cares.....but the OFFICIAL count is 222  ....as of last night!
 
jejejeje

[fathertime]

You forgot one more line
HAVE COFFEE WITH 240 WOMEN  (or 256 from FT)

gato i didn't say 256??? I said 265! jajajaj so by my estimate he is at around 282 by now!


Fathertime!

[Ray]

      That makes one of us! And it doesn't excuse slandering another poster.What is being said here is that it is OK to call someone something as long as I change the definition of the term in my own mind.

       Researcher

     

Hey dictionary boy!
 
You should really stop using those big words that you don't know the meaning of.
 
Or is it that you simply 'changed the definition of the term in your own mind'?
 
 

 
 
Now why don't you practice what you preach?
 
 

[fathertime]

slander---is spoken
liable---is in writing!


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    What you are stating FT are the LEGAL definitions of those words but since this isn't a court of law I was using the everyday definition which is:. Slander:false, malicious statement that damages a person's reputation.

         The word "statement" in that definition does not imply spoken or written specifically.

   Now that another BS attempt has been cleared up where is the proof that Dennis "bragged repeatedly about banging women"? Can the nonsense and shenanigans be interrupted for a minute to explain?

      Researcher

[Ray]

I LIVE in Colombia, I ve been here for about three years...so Im hardly a tourist.

What I am is an ex pat......

 
Oh gee, I’m so sorry Dennis. I didn't know you objected to the word "tourist"
 
So then how about you post your sexual adventures in the "Sexpat" Forum? LOL!
 
Now before your fan club president Rescreecher runs to get his little dictionary, maybe I can save him some time. He should be able to find "sexpat" between "screecher" and "slander".   

[Researcher]

 
Oh gee, I’m so sorry Dennis. I didn't know you objected to the word "tourist"
 
So then how about you post your sexual adventures in the "Sexpat" Forum? LOL!
 
Now before your fan club president Rescreecher runs to get his little dictionary, maybe I can save him some time. He should be able to find "sexpat" between "screecher" and "slander".   

      Can you stop with the childish nonsense long enough to explain you position and back it up with something besides name calling? It turns out you were wrong about the term slander as it does have different meanings.Once again how about explaining your position here.

      Researcher

[Ray]

    What you are stating FT are the LEGAL definitions of those words but since this isn't a court of law...
 

  "What is being said here is that it is OK to call someone something as long as I change the definition of the term in my own mind."
 
 
He who lives by the dictionary shall die by the dictionary (unknown)
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Researcher]

  "What is being said here is that it is OK to call someone something as long as I change the definition of the term in my own mind."
 
 
He who lives by the dictionary shall die by the dictionary (unknown)
 
 
 
 
 
 

    I think I explained the use of the word "slander" and it turns out FT was mistaken because of not knowing there are a couple of definitions.

    So, you are not making your case against Dennis by attacking me.I would like to know your reasoning behind your statements.That is all.There is no connection there.


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[Researcher]

     Well, it looks as though Ray's reasoning for attacking Dennis has fell through.Dennis explained himself fully and all Ray can do is call names and make rants that he can't back up.As far as I can tell Dennis was attacked for no apparent reason.All I am trying to do is understand the logic here.Maybe Ray knows something I don't about Dennis. There have been instances in the past when a poster was attacked and I didn't really understand why until proof positive was produced that this guy was an unsavory character.So until such proof is provided against Dennis I think the whining is uncalled for.

   Researcher

[Ray]

you are not making your case against Dennis by attacking me.

 

 
 
Attacking YOU? Good God man! Get a grip!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Colgando]

My 2 cents, I mentioned before, I do not consider DL to be a sex tourist and I do not consider DL to be bragging, I always thought of it as him qualifying himself to give strong, definitive opinions about Colombian culture and women. If he did not have as much demonstrated experience as he did, I would view him as Vallenatoman, Colcorazon, who talked a big game, but did not have any experience to back it up.


If someone wants to see what a real sex tourist is about, take a glance at the ISG Forum, International Sex Guide Forum. There was a poster a while ago on PL where a Sex Tourist accusation was leveled against him and it was suggested that he go to the ISG Forum. It was the 1st time I heard of ISG Forum so I took a look over there, man, that is another world there, that is an X rated, depraved Forum IMO. Based on my read on that forum, Sex tourism and prostitution go hand in hand, the direct exchange of money for sex services through sex traders. Another common method which is debated on that forum is the direct use of online dating sites to obtain the services of prostitutes or to get a 1st date with a woman and try to bang her. The mongers on that site prefer the direct, prostitution method because it is more efficient, they can be selective, and they can openly share experiences about various prostitutes and make recommendations on whore houses, which cities have the best whores etc. Men on that site recommend lining up women through the internet, if that doesn't work out, then hit the streets and the whores so they do not get grumpy as they say.


DL is far from this realization of what a sex tourist is. In my view, I consider International Wife hunters as contestants on their own "Bachelor" show, the Bachelor dates 25 women at the same time and can be intimate with any of them as he sees fit in the "fantasy room", although they usually don't go into detail about what happens in the fantasy room. Of course, those women have signed disclosures allowing their lives to be broadcasted on public tv. To me, as long as people exercise discretion to protect the privacy of people they are talking about who have not given their permission to do so, don't go into details of sexual encounters like on ISG forum, I am ok with that personally. DL meets this standard, calling a woman a lover and respecting her is ok by me. I couldn't recognize any of those people he talks about, the only people I would ever recognize is the one PL poster I met in real life, and the ones that have their real pictures on the Avatars.
 

[Researcher]

     I agree Colgando.I don't understand why Dennis is being attacked.I'm only trying to understand Ray's point of view and as you can see he is his usual immature self.Instead of posting the reasoning behind his point of view Ray chooses to name call, throw insults and engage in childish behavour.It's due to the fact that he has nothing to back up his weak opinion of another poster he has decided to attack for no appareant reason whatsoever.

      Researcher

[Researcher]

slander---is spoken
liable---is in writing!


Fathertime!

     Once again FT I'll refer you to the Dictionary.com definition of slander that mentions nothing about being written or spoken:

http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=slander&submit-result-SEARCHD=Search

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[Micky]

This is perfect.  I just walked through the door after having cafe with Dennis.  I know he is a sex tourist because I showed up without a coin (I gave my standard lie about a bad ATM) and so,  Dennis bought my cafe and I am a puta,  so Dennis has to be a sex tourist.  End of debate,  unless Ray starts calling me a no good cheap azz puta,  I can assure you that I am a cheap azz puta,  the "no good"  is on the table for debate.
 
Micky

[Researcher]

This is perfect.  I just walked through the door after having cafe with Dennis.  I know he is a sex tourist because I showed up without a coin (I gave my standard lie about a bad ATM) and so,  Dennis bought my cafe and I am a puta,  so Dennis has to be a sex tourist.  End of debate,  unless Ray starts calling me a no good cheap azz puta,  I can assure you that I am a cheap azz puta,  the "no good"  is on the table for debate.
 
Micky

    Don't worry Micky I'm sure that you will be considered a sex tourist by association since birds of a feather flock together.While we're at it maybe you would like to tell us about some of the women you have banged just to annoy morality patrol! hehehe!

     Researcher