Libya quadaffi and US involvement

[Ray]

The problem is that Kim now holds several of those same trump cards himself and is actually crazy enough to use them given all his past crazy transgressions.

Yes he is crazy enough to use them and without any reason that we might give him.

With little psychos like that, and soon Iran's mullahs having the bomb, nuclear war is almost inevitable. I would rather be the first to use them rather than wait around for the psychos to start things.

If Clinton had the balls to stop North Korea from getting the bomb, instead of sending that fat-ass Madeline Albright over to sniff Kim’s butt, we wouldn't have this problem. That little punk needs a missile up his butt!

I just hope Obama has the balls to stop Iran, no matter what it takes, from getting the bomb.

Ray

[thekfc]

"Why aren't you doing more to help us, NATO! Bring back those air strikes". 

"How could you abandon us?

"We don't want NATO anymore!" 

"Down, down with NATO."


"It was a NATO air strike on us."

"NATO are liars. They are siding with Gaddafi,"

On a different note, it is being reported that Black Africans (both Libyans & immigrants) are being slaughtered by both side:
http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-execute-black-immigrants-while-forces-kidnap-others-20586

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/analysis/columnists/19302-black-africans-slaughtered-in-libya-

[fathertime]

"Why aren't you doing more to help us, NATO! Bring back those air strikes". 

"How could you abandon us?

"We don't want NATO anymore!" 

"Down, down with NATO."


"It was a NATO air strike on us."

"NATO are liars. They are siding with Gaddafi,"

On a different note, it is being reported that Black Africans (both Libyans & immigrants) are being slaughtered by both side:
http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-execute-black-immigrants-while-forces-kidnap-others-20586

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/analysis/columnists/19302-black-africans-slaughtered-in-libya-

Well isn't that disgusting?  We support the 'rebels' and they start mass murdering those poor black Africans.  I'm convinced we have made matters worse there.  The rebellion was subsiding before we decided it was for us to decide who the leader of Libya was not going to be.  We need to leave and we also need to pull our resources out of NATO for this endeavor, just like Germany and Turkey have already done.
 

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

     I hate these half arse police actions.They don't accomplish  much and they cost us taxpayers alot.

      Researcher

[thekfc]

If women ruled the world there would be no wars. Just a bunch of jealous countries not talking to each other!   

[Researcher]

If women ruled the world there would be no wars. Just a bunch of jealous countries not talking to each other!   

                                 I see where you are going with this KFC...hehehe
 

                                           


            KFC is running a Hillary Clinton special it comes with 2 fat thighs, small breasts and a left wing......


        Researcher

[thekfc]

                                 I see where you are going with this KFC...hehehe
 

                                           


            KFC is running a Hillary Clinton special it comes with 2 fat thighs, small breasts and a left wing......


        Researcher

Now I know what happen to my spices.......you are the one who took them & are sniffing them.

[fathertime]

I just read that today we are giving the Libyian 'rebels' their first pallet of cash.  25 million of our money is going directly to them.  I don't want to pay my taxes anymore, I so disapprove of where the money is going and so do most of the american people...our govt. has no respect for us citizens, none whatsoever.

Fathertime!

[thekfc]

Here is a good one:

The opposition, when they are fighting ~ they are called "Rebels".
But when they get killed ~ they are called "civilians".

[fathertime]

Here is a good one:

The opposition, when they are fighting ~ they are called "Rebels".
But when they get killed ~ they are called "civilians".

That sort of hypocrisy really annoys me.  The Obozo must think we are stupid or something.

Yesterday it was a pallet of 25million cash and today we have now agreed to supply the 'rebels' with our predator drones...more money, more involvement and this was supposed to take a few days...what a steaming load of bs

Fathertime!

[Alabamaboy!]

Didn't we fund a bunch like this before to go against the USSR in Afghanistan, and then later they used the networks and weapons against us? Didn't we help Saddam Hussain like this to defeat Iran with weapons systems, training, and intelligence? How did that turn out for us? How many times to we need to F*** things up, while at the same time wasting money that we don't have, before we finally learn our lesson?

[thekfc]

These are interesting reads:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/19/extremists-among-libya-rebels_n_837894.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110419/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_libya_islamic_warrior

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

Taken from the above link:
It was Gaddafi’s Libya who put out the first Interpol warrant for Bin Laden’s arrest in 1998. Western intelligence agencies blocked the warrant from being pursued, and allowed Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda to go on and kill more than 200 people in the truck bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

[Ray]

 
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/04/30/libya-says-qaddafis-son-killed-nato-airstrike/
 
Watch out Muammar, the next missile is going up YOUR butt!
 
 
 
 

[thekfc]

The rebels have said they need up to $3 billion in coming months for military salaries, food, medicine and other supplies. They also say no country has sent the arms they desperately need.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_libya

WTF!!!!!
They want up to $3 billion AND they also want weapons too?

Here is another one for you:
Despite financially backing the opposition, the White House says questions about who exactly the rebels are and their long-term objectives are keeping the U.S. from recognizing the Council as the legitimate Libyan government.

[Researcher]

                                KFC,I thought you would be all for revolution....


                         



         Researcher

[thekfc]

KFC,I thought you would be all for revolution....         Researcher

Not if it will create more terrorist.

I see a pattern - Do you?

 From 1979 to 1989, the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahidden fighters/leaders fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan  - who was one of the leaders & what organization did he create? Do bin Laden & al-Qaeda sounds familiar?

Who do you thing the rebels are? The oppressed Libyans? Libyans who want better jobs, health care & education? 
What group have been fighting Gadaffi for years and are now "seizing" the opportunity (getting the west to help them)?

If you read the news from parts of the EU/Mideast/East, the train of thought is that there are two groups of terrorist in Libya right now  - one of which is already in power and one which is fighting to take power by force.

You can make all the jokes you want Researcher but the question is...what are we doing in Libya? are we helping to fight/overthrow an "evil" regime and replace it with a "democratic" one thus bring peace & stability to the region? 

If/when the current Libyan regime is overthrown & the rebels/LIFG takes control and suppose they are successful in creating an Islamic state......what will the "West" do then?

The "Allied" forces seriously need to rethink their strategies.

I leave you with this:
Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

[michaelb]

For years (going back at least to the days when the US helped Panama succeed from Colombia, maybe even before) the US policy on "regime change" has always been "Well you're right. He is a devil. But by God, he's our devil."   Followed up of course, by feigning hurt and surprise when "our" devil later turns on us.

[robert angel]

If women ruled the world there would be no wars. Just a bunch of jealous countries not talking to each other!   

That's kind of funny and ironic at the same time. When the Europeans settled what we today call North America, most of the Indian tribes were matriarchal in power structure to a large extent. There were out of many, usually a few tribes that didn't 'go with the flow', but overall, until the Europeans arrived in N. America, relations were pretty peaceful. On one important front, with most tribes, including those of the very large Creek Confederation, women had to give a majority vote before the men could go to war. While the 'Mico' or the 'Chief' as we came to him, was still a male, it worked for thousands of years pretty much, until very different adversaries came along with very different 'rules of engagement'...

[fathertime]

The rebels have said they need up to $3 billion in coming months for military salaries, food, medicine and other supplies. They also say no country has sent the arms they desperately need.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_libya

WTF!!!!!
They want up to $3 billion AND they also want weapons too?

Here is another one for you:
Despite financially backing the opposition, the White House says questions about who exactly the rebels are and their long-term objectives are keeping the U.S. from recognizing the Council as the legitimate Libyan government.

These rebels are learning the new american way...just keep making angry demands and show no gratefulness afterword.

Now their 'military' are demanding salary's, with monthly cost of living adjustments.    I wonder how  much the rebels plan on paying their infantry and I wonder if they can opt for direct deposit?  This is starting to sound more like business, then people who really want to be liberated.

Fathertime!

[fathertime]

I remember when this stupid police action started and how we said we would not be targeting quadaffi himself because we don't execute leaders of other countries.  Now of course that is exactly what we are trying to do.  I am pretty sure one of these mornings we will find out he is dead.   Regardless of how this turns out, we should not have interfered with this country.  I don't think we should be secretly bombing in Yemen either.  I keep reading about these random drone strikes in Pakistan too.  What the fook are we doing?? These people don't represent what I want to see done.    At some point when we lose our clout the whole world is going to side against us.  We act like we own the whole damn world. 


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    Hey FT I saw a news story today that talked about how the US always gets shafted by NATO.It seems the European countries don't want to hold up their end of the bargain and the US picks up the slack on military operations.That explains why we end up more involved than we should be.

       Researcher

[Ray]

I remember when this stupid police action started and how we said we would not be targeting quadaffi himself because we don't execute leaders of other countries. Now of course that is exactly what we are trying to do. I am pretty sure one of these mornings we will find out he is dead. Regardless of how this turns out, we should not have interfered with this country. I don't think we should be secretly bombing in Yemen either. I keep reading about these random drone strikes in Pakistan too. What the fook are we doing?? These people don't represent what I want to see done. At some point when we lose our clout the whole world is going to side against us. We act like we own the whole damn world.


Fathertime!

　
Hey bozo,
　
WTF are you whining about now?
　
Qadaffi needs to have a missile shoved up his butt because he personally ordered the bombing of Americans in Germany and on Pan Am flight 103. To sit back and let this little stinking terrorist stay in power would only show us to be wimps like most of the rest of the world.
　
And for your information bozo, we’re killing stinking little jihadist terrorists in Pakistan because they have murdered Americans and are trying to kill more of us. Whimpy-assed attitudes like yours will only get us killed because the only thing these stinking little a-holes understand is a missile up their butts, and having their stinking brains splattered all over the wall like Bin Laden’s.
 

　
You know what? If the rest of the world doesn’t like what we are doing, they can go f*#k themselves as far as I’m concerned. If they don’t like us killing terrorists then screw them! If they don’t like us locking terrorists up in Guantanamo, they can kiss our ass!
 

　
Just what would you like to see done anyway? We should get down on our knees and kiss the worlds’ ass so they won’t hate us? Sheesh!
　

 
I say let the wimps and terrorist sympathizers get the hell out of the way so the real men can do the killing that needs to be done.
 

　
 
 
 

　
Ray
 
 
 
 
　

[fathertime]

I was just browsing the internet and now I see the "REBELS" are miserable and complaining that we are not sending them enough of OUR CASH.  What a bunch of entitled losers!  Why da fook are we supposed to be fighting for these jackasses? 
Hopefully we can keep accidentally bombing the 'rebel soldiers', and piss off both sides of the conflict, that way they can unite against us and teach us to mind our own eff'in business.
Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

     Hey FT, just another Police Action where we give pallets of cash to crooks and try and win the hearts and minds of the people who spit on us.The US gets no repsect from any country by this nation building our liberal government is doing.It's time to go old school and bomb these mid eastern countries back into the stone age and take their oil for our own use and to pay for the nation building experiment that failed. Either that or just nuke them and be done with it.You know, have an old fashioned all out war.

         Researcher

[fathertime]

     Hey FT, just another Police Action where we give pallets of cash to crooks and try and win the hearts and minds of the people who spit on us.The US gets no repsect from any country by this nation building our liberal government is doing.It's time to go old school and bomb these mid eastern countries back into the stone age and take their oil for our own use and to pay for the nation building experiment that failed. Either that or just nuke them and be done with it.You know, have an old fashioned all out war.

         Researcher

i'm going to have to agree with you on this one Researcher, We are turning ourselves into a joke with all this phony stuff about 'helping' the Libyians liberate themselves, when a good portion of the country was just fine with the current leadership.  we are meddling with other countries and i have an ideal that it will come back to bite us, it is already nipping away at our budget, i  read recently our portion is 10 million a day and that number is probably low because i don't much our govt puts out.
Fathertime!