Libya quadaffi and US involvement

[fathertime]

Well, that $420 million we will save by cutting off taxpayer funding of the leftists at NPR/PBS will pay for a lot more missiles… LOL!

FT, now you are starting to sound like Obozo and the rest of his leftist ilk. Do you really give a rat’s ass about our “reputation”??

Our friends will still like us and the idiots who hate us will still hate us no matter what we do, so being concerned over what some commie/terrorist/jihadist-loving morons think of us should be of zero concern…

Ray

Hey Bozo!
Although it is a minor point for me, I don't think we should attacking sovereign nations, unless they have provoked us to do so.  I don't want us in a constant state of war, unless we have a real good reason to be.  I do hear what you are saying about countries not being on our side regardless, but I can't help but think that at some point we are going to be paid back for interfering with other countries affairs and strategically speaking I don't think Libya is worth AMERICAN lives.  If Europe has strategic interests, then they should be the meddlers and not us.  

Hopefully we do cut off NPR/PBS and use that money for more human slingshots at the border.

Fathertime!  

[jm21-2]

...I don't want us in a constant state of war...

Fathertime!  

A little late for that...when was the last time we didn't have some sort of war going on? Certainly not in my lifetime.

[utopiacowboy]

A little late for that...when was the last time we didn't have some sort of war going on? Certainly not in my lifetime.

War is the only business we have not outsourced. That's why I told my sons to stick to anything military related if they did not want to see their jobs go to India or China. Of course eventually Americans will be slaves to the Chinese or Indians but that's still a ways off.

[piglett]

Do you really give a rat’s ass about our “reputation”??

Our friends will still like us and the idiots who hate us will still hate us no matter what we do, so being concerned over what some commie/terrorist/jihadist-loving morons think of us should be of zero concern…

Ray

+ 1


pig

[thekfc]

Just for thought.

Assuming that Quadafi is driven out or killed who is going to take over the country? 
Is it going to be a smooth transition? I don't think so, there will be different tribes/group fighting for power to replace Quadafi.

Who are the rebels? The US Government said that they do not even know who they are.

President Barack Obama has authorized sending another $15 million in humanitarian aid to Libya ($10 Million was sent last month). Who is getting that money? Is it Quadafi? Is it the rebels?
Couldn't that money have gone to Japan instead?

The British & French have great influence in Northern Africa, why ain't they using that influence?

The Arab League (also voted to approve the no-fly zone) are now distancing themselves from this & now want a league meeting to reconsider Arab approval. The Arab League secretary general, Amr Moussa said that "What is happening in Libya differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone, what we want is the protection of civilians and not the shelling of more civilians.”  Moussa said the Arab League’s approval of a no-fly zone on March 12 was based on a desire to prevent Moammar Gaddafi’s air force from attacking civilians and was not designed to endorse the intense bombing and missile attacks .

To impose a no-fly zone, there have to be military intervention. And at some point, the "coalition" force will have to be on the ground in Libya or what they are doing now will be all for naught.

[Ray]

kfc,

You ask some good questions, but for me, I don't really care what happens to Libya in the long run. I just want to see Qaddafi's stinking corpse being dragged through the streets...   

I say kill the A-Hole and get the hell out. Let the French deal with the other crap.

Ray

[fathertime]

To impose a no-fly zone, there have to be military intervention. And at some point, the "coalition" force will have to be on the ground in Libya or what they are doing now will be all for naught.

this 'no-fly zone' was just a lie and a way to open the door...the US and various other nations are going to try their darndest to empower the rebels and force regime change.  i don't like that WE are interfering, using our resources, and deciding who rules LIbya...I want our resources to help us, not some 3rd world backwater that has it's own problems.  When this is over, we will have created 100's more terrorists and it will cost us lives at some point down the line.

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

           Libya will turn out like many other police actions.The US will spend alot of money on a military operation then spend even more cleaning up the mess while getting nothing in return.IMHO, any middle eastern country we invade should provide the US with oil until it pays for these war and rebuilding costs.If we are going to attack a country then we should attack it old school. Enough with playing the global police and trying to maintain some kind of image for the world. We are hated in the middle east and other countries and nothing is going to change that.


    Researcher

[piglett]

           Libya will turn out like many other police actions.The US will spend alot of money on a military operation then spend even more cleaning up the mess while getting nothing in return.IMHO, any middle eastern country we invade should provide the US with oil until it pays for these war and rebuilding costs.If we are going to attack a country then we should attack it old school. Enough with playing the global police and trying to maintain some kind of image for the world. We are hated in the middle east and other countries and nothing is going to change that.


    Researcher

dam straight , you want leader xyz out??
no problem but you have to pay up when it's all over with

pig

[fathertime]

we had no business going into LIbya..it is not an issue of IF we remove quadaffi...i think that is almost a certainty now...this was their internal issue and i'm not convinced that he wasn't supported by a lot of his country...next time we have large protests here i think outside countries should start bombing govt. supporters and tanks and supporting the people opposed to obama or whoever is the president at the time.

if i were a leader in a country like 'Iran' or "Syria" i'd do everything i could to get a nuclear bomb...the USA will attack countries that can't defend themselves...if/when iran developes the nuclear bomb and they give a couple bombs to their allies in the region, it will stop western intervention and countries will have to sort out their own internal problems...

i don't like the way we have gone about this...we said we were merely protecting the civilians but clearly we are doing a helluva lot more than that, WE are picking the winner in THEIR civil war.

Fathertime!

[Ray]

if i were a leader in a country like 'Iran' or "Syria" i'd do everything i could to get a nuclear bomb...the USA will attack countries that can't defend themselves...if/when iran developes the nuclear bomb and they give a couple bombs to their allies in the region, it will stop western intervention and countries will have to sort out their own internal problems...

Hey bozo,

Have you completely lost your freaking mind??

If Iran acquires nukes and gives “a couple bombs to their allies in the region” (Hamas. Hezbollah, Syria. Etc.), there will surely be an all-out nuclear war in the Mid-East, and anyone who doubts that is a blithering idiot.

Come on man, turn off that freaking MSNBC and use your brain!

Absolutely no good could ever come from those dumb-assed Jihadists getting the bomb for God’s sake!

And as far as the US having no “business” to bomb Lybia, who the hell are you kidding anyway? We have EVERY right to bomb the crap out of any and all terrorist A-Holes (like Qaddafi) who dare to order the killing of Americans, and anyone who doesn’t like it can kiss out American asses!

Screw them all! 

Peace bozo…   

Ray

[piglett]

Hey bozo,

Have you completely lost your freaking mind??

If Iran acquires nukes and gives “a couple bombs to their allies in the region” (Hamas. Hezbollah, Syria. Etc.), there will surely be an all-out nuclear war in the Mid-East, and anyone who doubts that is a blithering idiot.

Come on man, turn off that freaking MSNBC and use your brain!

Absolutely no good could ever come from those dumb-assed Jihadists getting the bomb for God’s sake!

And as far as the US having no “business” to bomb Lybia, who the hell are you kidding anyway? We have EVERY right to bomb the crap out of any and all terrorist A-Holes (like Qaddafi) who dare to order the killing of Americans, and anyone who doesn’t like it can kiss out American asses!

Screw them all! 

Peace bozo…   

Ray

Ray maybe it's time to stop sugar coating your words & tell us how you really feel


pig

[fathertime]

Hey bozo,

Have you completely lost your freaking mind??

If Iran acquires nukes and gives “a couple bombs to their allies in the region” (Hamas. Hezbollah, Syria. Etc.), there will surely be an all-out nuclear war in the Mid-East, and anyone who doubts that is a blithering idiot.

Come on man, turn off that freaking MSNBC and use your brain!

Absolutely no good could ever come from those dumb-assed Jihadists getting the bomb for God’s sake!

And as far as the US having no “business” to bomb Lybia, who the hell are you kidding anyway? We have EVERY right to bomb the crap out of any and all terrorist A-Holes (like Qaddafi) who dare to order the killing of Americans, and anyone who doesn’t like it can kiss out American asses!

Screw them all! 

Peace bozo…   

Ray

Yoyo Ray!
i don't like msnbc's point of view on practically any subject...i haven't watched that channel recently but i would assume they are kissing obozo's arse as usual. 

i believe when we spearhead an attack like we are doing now, we give countries like iran more reason to speed up their nuclear program...i imagine they want to be prepared for anything...i wouldn't want to see nuclear arms get spread to all those other little mid eastern countries, but looking at the issue from their perspective, we are giving the leaderships of these countries a reason to acquire these weapons as soon as possible....i remember a while ago quadaffi discontinued his program, and now without a deterrent he is being targeted...the message being sent to these countries is 'have nukes or risk invasion'.

 

i don't like that we have attacked Libya without provocation...we don't need to police the world. the terrorist attack happened 25 years ago and we responded...in my opinion that was not a reason to attack now...

there are a lot more targets i WOULD go after before quadaffi...i'd  use the military to massacre the pirates in somolia i'd put them on the border of mexico and I would utilize them actively apprehend and deport all the illegals already here...libya and their problems don't interest me in the least. 



Fathertime!

[Ray]

the terrorist attack happened 25 years ago and we responded...in my opinion that was not a reason to attack now.

Uh, what response was that? I don't remember any response to the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing by Qaddafi.

That's a good enough reason for me to go kill the A-Hole now. Better late than never...

[Dave H]

Make Qaddafi and others like him EXTINCT! Some people should not be walking around on the surface of the earth! I am surprised that Don V hasn't taken care of that A-hole already!  

Dave

[Researcher]

            Sooner or later some nutcase is going to get their hands on a nuclear weapon.I don't think that's anything that can or will be stopped.I just don't like these "police actions" that end up costing us massive amounts of money. The Middle East will never be a peaceful place and the only thing the jihadist understand is brute force. Trying to remake them into democratic peace loving people is a waste of time, at least the extremists. So they should be taken out completely or left alone.


        Researcher

[Jedironin]

Build a wall around them! 

Bin Laden's Great Wall

Three guys, a Canadian, Osama Bin Laden and Uncle Sam are out walking together one day. They come across a lantern and a Genie pops out of it. "I will give each of you one wish, that's three wishes total," says the Genie. The Canadian says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in Canada." With a blink of the Genie's eye, 'POOF' the land in Canada was forever made fertile for farming.

Osama Bin Laden was amazed, so he said, "I want a wall around Afghanistan, so that no infidels, Jews or Americans can come into our precious state." Again, with a blink of the Genie's eye, 'POOF' there was a huge wall around Afghanistan.

"Uncle Sam" asks, "I'm very curious. Please tell me more about this wall." The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 15,000 feet high, 500 feet thick and completely surrounds the country; nothing can get in or out -- virtually impenetrable."

Uncle Sam says, "Fill it with water."

[Jeff S]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCdfOXvec&feature=player_embedded

[Ray]

Make Qaddafi and others like him EXTINCT! Some people should not be walking around on the surface of the earth! I am surprised that Don V hasn't taken care of that A-hole already! 

Dave

LMAO!

I’m surprised too Dave. Why don’t we just send The Walker in to do the job on Qaddafi.

Hell, I bet The Walker and “Calamity Jane” could take him out with one shot from the Island of Malta on a clear day… 

Ray

[fathertime]

Uh, what response was that? I don't remember any response to the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing by Qaddafi.

That's a good enough reason for me to go kill the A-Hole now. Better late than never...

well BOZO you got me on that one...i was mistaken about us responding to the bombing at the time...i'm not conceding my position on the matter but i am conceding this particular point.  one of my beliefs is that we are going to create more problems by involving ourselves like this....i do agree with Researcher that if we are going to do an action it has to be to utterly crush the opposition or just don't bother with it....what we are doing now is definitely going to be half-assed.  i don't think we had any reason to help this country or it's people, which is the way obozo is framing his arguments...i'd support a lot more help for Japan IF they really needed it because I believe the japanese are honorable people and good friends...i don't feel the same way about the people from libya...i have nothing against them really, i just don't see them as a valuable friend to us.

Fathertime!

[Ray]

Father-Bozo,

I guess the reason we didn’t already respond directly to the Pan Am bombing was because (1) Reagan wasn’t president any longer and (2) we didn’t have direct hard evidence that Qaddafi was personally involved in the bombing. It took quite some time just to identify the individual Libyan perpetrators who planted the bomb.

HOWEVER, very recent evidence has been surfacing that he was indeed directly involved in the plot. So what would you have us do with this new evidence? (1) Complain to the UN? (2) Try to capture him alive and put him on trial in front of a typical leftist America-hating judge? (3) Do nothing or (4) Shoot a missile up his ass?

Ray

[fathertime]

Father-Bozo,

I guess the reason we didn’t already respond directly to the Pan Am bombing was because (1) Reagan wasn’t president any longer and (2) we didn’t have direct hard evidence that Qaddafi was personally involved in the bombing. It took quite some time just to identify the individual Libyan perpetrators who planted the bomb.

HOWEVER, very recent evidence has been surfacing that he was indeed directly involved in the plot. So what would you have us do with this new evidence? (1) Complain to the UN? (2) Try to capture him alive and put him on trial in front of a typical leftist America-hating judge? (3) Do nothing or (4) Shoot a missile up his ass?

Ray

Hey Bozo!


I’m going to answer your question (within the options given), despite the fact that according to obozo the Pan Am bombing has nothing to do with the current campaign and the evidence is an angry ex quaddafi official who might say anything to get quaddafi ousted.   

 I would choose option 3 and not do anything militarily to quadaffi at this time.  If this war was about seeking revenge, then the joke will be on us again, because in a week or two we will have spent 1 billion dollars with no end in sight.  We are losing wars on all fronts because we are bankrupting ourselves for people who are going to be working against us in the future.  Now there were some other options out there that I could have suggested but they were not listed.

Now I  have a theoretical question for you.  How should a militarily weak country respond when it’s leadership feels it is being treated unfairly and the nation's people are suffering or dying directly or indirectly at the hands of the larger more powerful country.  1.  Attack the larger country military to military and lose all of it’s young men without a chance of winning.  2.  Complain to the UN fruitlessly.   3.  Harm the larger country in any way it can, including making international travel unsafe for civilians by killing them.   4.  Accept that it has no control of anything and allow it’s citizens to continue to die without retaliation of any kind. 

Fathertime!

[Ray]

I would choose option 3 and not do anything…

Bozo-Time,

That was the wimpy-assed pacifist answer. The correct answer was (4) Shoot a missile up his ass.

To let this terrorist A-Hole get away with killing Americans would be the dumbest possible thing to do (or not do). Terrorists understand only one thing…a missile up their ass. Anything else is a gay response and they will laugh their asses off at us.

BTW, the new evidence is actually from at least TWO Libyan officials (so far), not one.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/02/reopens-lockerbie-investigation-claims-qaddafi-ordered-attack/

How should a militarily weak country respond when it’s leadership feels it is being treated unfairly and the nation's people are suffering or dying directly or indirectly at the hands of the larger more powerful country.  1.  Attack the larger country military to military and lose all of it’s young men without a chance of winning.  2.  Complain to the UN fruitlessly.   3.  Harm the larger country in any way it can, including making international travel unsafe for civilians by killing them.   4.  Accept that it has no control of anything and allow it’s citizens to continue to die without retaliation of any kind.

The correct answer: None of the above.

I would choose (5) Unconditional surrender. That’s what Germany and Japan did when faced with overwhelming odds against them with no hope of winning a war that BTW they both started, as Qaddafi also started a war with us by killing our citizens/military personnel in a terrorist attack in Berlin.

The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist! Kill the stinking idiot Qaddafi!

Ray

 

[ignorante]

Kill the stinking idiot Qaddafi!

  And it has been way too long in coming.  The clear message should be that if you kill Americans, we will hunt you down and kill you.  Guaranteed.

[fathertime]

Bozo-Time,

That was the wimpy-assed pacifist answer. The correct answer was (4) Shoot a missile up his ass.

To let this terrorist A-Hole get away with killing Americans would be the dumbest possible thing to do (or not do). Terrorists understand only one thing…a missile up their ass. Anything else is a gay response and they will laugh their asses off at us.

BTW, the new evidence is actually from at least TWO Libyan officials (so far), not one.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/02/reopens-lockerbie-investigation-claims-qaddafi-ordered-attack/

The correct answer: None of the above.

I would choose (5) Unconditional surrender. That’s what Germany and Japan did when faced with overwhelming odds against them with no hope of winning a war that BTW they both started, as Qaddafi also started a war with us by killing our citizens/military personnel in a terrorist attack in Berlin.

The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist! Kill the stinking idiot Qaddafi!

Ray

 

well bozo,  i didn't particularly like the options you gave me to choose from but i made my choice based on those narrow options.

you didn't stay within the options i gave you.
there was no ONE right answer within either scenerio there was not enough info given.

we are going to have a different opinion on this matter of how to handle libya/quadaffi...we shall see how many billions are wasted before this silliness stops...as far as i'm concerned obozo has put his foot in it again as usual and remmeber half the time his reasoning has been not to remove quadaffi and the other half of the time it is 'quadaffi must go' ...this warfare has been to 'liberate' the libyan people.  anybody who believes that i've got swampland in death valley CA for you to buy...i'll UPS the deed after you send me the cash.

Fathertime!