First foreigner EVER to be convicted in Colombia on pedophile charges

[thekfc]

Zulu, why did you have to go back & edit just about all your posts?
Why couldn't you just leave them in their original form & just make a new post?

[z_k_g]

Zulu, why did you have to go back & edit just about all your posts?
Why couldn't you just leave them in their original form & just make a new post?

Kfc,

I am not writing a book here, my logic is concise and hopefully to the point, but I make errors when writing.

I make corrections and clarifications to my posts as necessary.

Zulu

[z_k_g]

Ray,

On your first point:

I have already stated in my earlier posts that this statement was not factual and incorrect.  And as you say "hogwash"!

"Ray, a child, anyone under 18, cannot legally agree to sex with an adult, over 18. As a child, defined as one who doesn't posses the full legal rights of the majority, they don't have the capacity to agree."

Your second point:

The "age of majority" refers primarily to suffrage and/or the age for military service and a person who has the full rights of a citizen.  A minor does not posses full rights as a citizen, cannot enter into contract, cannot vote, serve in the military as a combatant, etc.  

This age of the majority is 18  in the US, my statement is fact. 
You are incorrect.

The "age of consent" refers to when a person can legally have the capacity to agree to sex with someone, this age is set by each state statute, and varies.  This age may be 14 to 16 depending on the state.

The two terms are not interchangeable and have entirely different meanings.

Zulu

[z_k_g]

Oh wait I am mistaken again, unless an earlier age of majority is recognized by a country's law doesn't mean anything.

You are right - case closed.   

KFc,

Finally you see that.

I had to read it a few dozen times myself before it clicked. 

Zulu

[thekfc]

KFc,

Finally you see that.

I had to read it a few dozen times myself before it clicked. 

Zulu

oops, sorry that was sarcasm on my part.

[thekfc]

Kfc,

I am not writing a book here, my logic is concise and hopefully to the point, but I make errors when writing.

I make corrections and clarifications to my posts as necessary.

Zulu

To other people reading your post, it looks like you made a post, then somebody replied & then you went back to change your original post to reflect or counter what the person's reply was - instead of just replying directly to that other person's reply.

Catch my drift?

[Ray]

"Ray, a child, anyone under 18, cannot legally agree to sex with an adult, over 18. As a child, defined as one who doesn't posses the full legal rights of the majority, they don't have the capacity to agree."

Baloney! You are making up your own laws again.

The age of majority has nothing to do with the age of consent, when she can agree to consensual sex

Your second point:

The "age of majority" refers primarily to suffrage and/or the age for military service and a person who has the full rights of a citizen.  A minor does not posses full rights as a citizen, cannot enter into contract, cannot vote, serve in the military as a combatant, etc.  

Once again, the “age of majority” has nothing to do with “the age of consent”.

And for your information, the minimum age for military service, including service as a combatant is 17, not 18.

And the "age of consent" under US law is 16.

I have no idea why you are attempting to cloud the issue of the legality of having sex with someone under 18 with the minimum age to vote or serving in the military. You do not have to be able to vote or serve in the military in this country in order to able to have consensual sex.

And your continual insistence that an adult can never legally have sex with anyone under 18 is just baloney.

Ray

[z_k_g]

oops, sorry that was sarcasm on my part.

KFc,

Sarcasm is a good, but not as tasty as Irony.

Zulu

[z_k_g]

Baloney! You are making up your own laws again.

The age of majority has nothing to do with the age of consent, when she can agree to consensual sex

Once again, the “age of majority” has nothing to do with “the age of consent”.

And for your information, the minimum age for military service, including service as a combatant is 17, not 18.

And the "age of consent" under US law is 16.

I have no idea why you are attempting to cloud the issue of the legality of having sex with someone under 18 with the minimum age to vote or serving in the military. You do not have to be able to vote or serve in the military in this country in order to able to have consensual sex.

And your continual insistence that an adult can never legally have sex with anyone under 18 is just baloney.

Ray

Ray,

Fact:
You can enlist in the US Military at 17.  US citizens serving in our military cannot engage as a combatant in any conflict until you are 18, by International Treaty.

I've addressed all of your other points.

Zulu

[z_k_g]

To other people reading your post, it looks like you made a post, then somebody replied & then you went back to change your original post to reflect or counter what the person's reply was - instead of just replying directly to that other person's reply.

Catch my drift?

KFC,

Since my first post on P-L, I've caught your drift. 

Zulu

[z_k_g]

"Ray, a child, anyone under 18, cannot legally agree to sex with an adult, over 18. As a child, defined as one who doesn't posses the full legal rights of the majority, they don't have the capacity to agree."

Ray

I repeat, for the second time, this statement is not factual and incorrect.

On your first point:
I have already stated in my earlier posts that this statement was not factual and incorrect.  And as you say "hogwash"!

Zulu

[mudd]

Baloney! You are making up your own laws again.

The age of majority has nothing to do with the age of consent, when she can agree to consensual sex

ray, so your saying a girl in Colombia, 16 years old, can have consensual sex with a gringo 30 years old and wont have a problem with any USA laws?

what if her parents have a problem with it and go to the police?

[z_k_g]

ray, so your saying a girl in Colombia, 16 years old, can have consensual sex with a gringo 30 years old and wont have a problem with any USA laws?

what if her parents have a problem with it and go to the police?

Mudd,

If discovered or reported in Colombia:

1. US State law of "age of consent" are not applicable outside of his state of residence.

2. His activity will violate the US Federal Statutes, once he travels overseas  (she must be over 18)

3. If caught, he will be arrested and charged by the local police in Colombia (she must be over 18 by International Treaty) and tried in a Colombian court, and serve time there if convicted.  Once he serves his time, he will be deported OR he may be deported and tried in the US under Federal Statutes.

4. If he is not caught by Colombian authorities, and returns to US and his home state, and a fugitive from the Colombian police, a US Federal warrant will be issued for his arrest under the Federal Statute and he will be arrested in the USA and tried in a Federal court.

Zulu

[thekfc]

KFC,

Since my first post on P-L, I've caught your drift. 

Zulu

hmmmm

[ignorante]

What is the age in Colombia?

[z_k_g]

What is the age in Colombia?

Ignorante,

I think someone on the forum said that its 14 or 15.

But that only applies to natives.

For US citizens the age, by Federal Statue, is 18, anywhere we visit on the planet.

Zulu

[thekfc]

For anyone interested -This is from Interpol.

For those of you who do not know Interpol (International Criminal Police Organization) is the world’s largest international police organization, with 188 member countries. Created in 1923, it facilitates cross-border police co-operation, and supports and assists all organizations, authorities and services whose mission is to prevent or combat international crime.

Interpol functions as an administrative liaison between the law-enforcement agencies of the member countries, providing communications and database assistance. Example if the FBI is looking for someone in France, the FBI would contact the Interpol office in France & then Interpol would work with the French law enforcement on behalf of the USA - the arrest & the deportation.

As per Interpol - this is on their website:

The Age of Majority for the USA is 18.

The Federal Age of consent for sexual activity for the USA is 16.
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaUSA.pdf

You can also check the ages for all member nations.
http://www.interpol.int/public/children/sexualabuse/nationallaws/default.asp

[z_k_g]

For anyone interested -This is from Interpol.

The Federal Age of consent for sexual activity for the USA is 16.
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaUSA.pdf

KFc,

Good Info, but you have one significant error in your post that needs correction.

There is no such thing as "The Federal Age of consent for Sexual Activity for the USA"
As father Ray likes to say that's HOGWASH!  (Don't you love Ray!   )

All "age of consent" law is determined by state statute, not by the federal government.  The Federal government has NO jurisdiction to establish "age of consent" statutes at the state level and there does not exist a national, "The Federal Age of consent for sexual activity for the USA is 16" as you state.

The Federal government regulates international issues, interstate issues, the internet, airwaves and the mail.  So, if the parties are under 16, and there is illegal activity involving aforementioned avenues, then the federal statutes kick in.  

This is the context and narrow frame work of the "The Federal Age of Consent" statutes.  

Zulu

[piglett]

here i will make it EZ for everyone here are you ready ............
Don't bang any foreign chicks that are younger than 18! ! ! ! ! 

ok carry on boys 


your porkness

[thekfc]

KFc,

Good Info, but you have one significant error in your post that needs correction.

There is no such thing as "The Federal Age of consent for Sexual Activity for the USA"
As father Ray likes to say that's HOGWASH!  (Don't you love Ray!  )

All "age of consent" law is determined by state statute, not by the federal government.  The Federal government has NO jurisdiction to establish "age of consent" statutes at the state level and there does not exist a national, "The Federal Age of consent for sexual activity for the USA is 16" as you state.

The Federal government regulates international issues, interstate issues, the internet, airwaves and the mail.  So, if the parties are under 16, and there is illegal activity involving aforementioned avenues, then the federal statutes kick in. 

This is the context and narrow frame work of the "The Federal Age of Consent" statutes. 

Zulu

So then as per you if there is no such thing as "The Federal Age of consent for Sexual Activity for the USA" then Interpol is wrong.
but first can you explain what that says on the Interpol link I provided.
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaUSA.pdf

Also you said this and I quote:

For US citizens the age, by Federal Statue, is 18, anywhere we visit on the planet.

Which one is it?
You say - All "age of consent" law is determined by state statute, not by the federal government.
But previously you say  For US citizens the age, by Federal Statue, is 18, anywhere we visit on the planet.

and this:

1. US State law of "age of consent" are not applicable outside of his state of residence.

2. His activity will violate the US Federal Statutes, once he travels overseas  (she must be over 18)

Can you kindly explain your previous posts.

[z_k_g]

KFC,

Its very simple.

Federal Statues regulate interstate issues, (that means between the states), and also outside of our borders, Internationally, (that means outside our borders).  

State statutes are only applicable within the state boundaries.

This is all basic high school civics.

So...Federal Law, interstate and international, State law, inside the state only, got it?

When you travel outside of the US you are only bound by Federal Statutes which, based on International Treaty, states that a child is anyone under 18, and sex with that individual is illegal.  Got that?

These Federal Statutes are not applicable domestically because each state sets an "age of consent" applicable to that state.  Got that?

However, if you cross a state border while committing a crime in any fashion physically or using the internet with a server in another state, or a cell tower in another state, Federal Statues kicks in and you can be charged under Federal law.  You got That?

At no time is there a Federal "age of consent law", it doesn't exist.  Federal "age of consent" Statutes are applicable only to international or interstate crime.

So...International issues are only subject to Federal Statutes.  State law has no jurisdiction outside of the respective state or internationally.

If you want to find relevant US or International law, refer to the US code, the respective state code or the applicable international treaty.  

Interpol does not produce authoritative law documents and the document you cite is not correct.

Zulu

[michaelb]

here i will make it EZ for everyone here are you ready ............
Don't bang any foreign chicks that are younger than 18! ! ! ! ! 

ok carry on boys 


your porkness

I don't know anybody under the age of 18 who is willing.........come to think of it, I don't even know anybody like that under the age of 52

[michaelb]

All this age/law talk made me remember of a movie line (1934, The Thin Man)

Lieutenant John Guild: You got a pistol permit?
Nick Charles: No.
Lieutenant John Guild: Ever heard of the Sullivan Act?
Nora Charles: Oh, that's all right, we're married.

[z_k_g]

Reminds me of the movie "Goundhog Day" with Bill Murray!  

Rita: Do you every have déjà vu?
Phil: Didn't you just ask me that?

Zulu

[thekfc]

Federal Statues regulate interstate issues, (that means between the states), and also outside of our borders, Internationally, (that means outside our borders).  

State statutes are only applicable within the state boundaries

This have been said many times. I am not talking about state but Federal & International. maybe you are mistaking my post for someone else.

When you travel outside of the US you are only bound by Federal Statutes which, based on International Treaty, states that a child is anyone under 18, and sex with that individual is illegal.  Got that?

Do you have anything to back this up? You keep saying that it is 18, Period - but you have NOT shown any proof. Can you kindly give us a link that it is showing that it is 18 period!.

These Federal Statutes are not applicable domestically because each state sets an "age of consent" applicable to that state.  Got that?

I NEVER said that it was applicable domestically.

At no time is there a Federal "age of consent law", it doesn't exist.  Federal "age of consent" Statutes are applicable only to international or interstate crime.

In this sentence you say it does not exist & then it exist but is only applicable to international or interstate. Which one is it? it does not exist or only for international/interstate? before you answer remember a statue is a law.

Interpol does not produce authoritative law documents and the document you cite is not correct.

Only what the US Federal government gives them which is:
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaUSA.pdf