The Mistakes Men Make with Foreign Women

[Researcher]

I'm not going to try and defend my point with you Researcher because I don't like the tone of your posts. Look at Dan's post... when you can write like that I'll engage your positions.

   You're not going to defend your point because you don't have one.Saying that it is because of my tone is just an excuse.The only thing you have had to offer this forum is criticism and negativity.Why don't you change that trend and tell us how to go about finding a foreign wife?Differing opinions are a good thing IMHO, but you offer nothing and attack those who do.So, try not to be so sensitive after all, it's just a forum.


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[fathertime]

My point is that no man has any business business telling others/me how to find/build a relationship if he has not been able to do it himself. That's just my belief. It may not be yours or others but that's how I would choose the people I would take lessons from in life.

I have read what you said, but I don’t know that Jamie is ‘telling you to do’ anything.  I gotta tell you from what I’m reading, it appears you believe most everything he has written is accurate, but you just don’t like the fact that HE wrote it.

I really don’t know much about Jamie’s personal life.  Perhaps he has chosen not to apply what he knows to his own personal life at this time, but that does not make the information less accurate for others and that's what's important.   

So EE, my question to you is: What specifically do you disagree with that Jamie has written on his web site? 

Fathertime!

[raycjs]

FT

Come on Ray, you gotta spill your guts on what is going on now with this new woman!
Is she Colombian? Who? How? Where? etc!!!

FT
she is from Colombia......
she is from BAQ......
December we will be living together 1 year


our good mutual friend has met her and he approves... HaHaHa
she is a great women and a major asset to my life
we are taking it slow ( not married yet)
we get along great and she is everything i every wanted in a women
i met her thru Jamie's and if all goes well we will marry sooner then later...

if you want to know more pm me and i will talk to you off the board via private email

talk to you soon.

ray

Back to the topic.. i have made mistakes and i feel i can give advice because that is all it is ADVICE. no one is perfect and no relationship is perfect. I can give advice on the mistakes i made and how i learned from them. i have to agree with Jamie on this one his advice is very good and so our some of the points the other have come back with.... i would hope this topic keeps going strong and does not end up as a flame...

Ray

[Researcher]

  Congrats Ray!!!Best of luck to you and your lady.


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[raycjs]

Researcher

all is well, and still living in OHIO..

thank you very much

Ray

[Researcher]

    Another good read is Red Flags, Green Flags that was submitted by Gary Bala.Anyone that sees international couples on a daily basis seems to have good advice.



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[Alabamaboy!]

Congrats Ray! After talking to your girl those couple times it was obvious you have hit the jackpot on this one.

So you are evidence that even out of any situation, even if it is a bad one, you can learn alot and turn it into a positive in the end.

[Alabamaboy!]

EE, it seems like your arguments don't hold a lot of water. There are a bunch of guys on this forum who have had excellent results with Jamie and think his advice is right on the money. I even know a few guys who went down in flames that went to his place, did not take his advice, and if you asked them now they would tell you that he was completely correct with all his advice.

[Researcher]

EE, it seems like your arguments don't hold a lot of water. There are a bunch of guys on this forum who have had excellent results with Jamie and think his advice is right on the money. I even know a few guys who went down in flames that went to his place, did not take his advice, and if you asked them now they would tell you that he was completely correct with all his advice.

  Exactly AB, I didn't use Jamie's agency and have never met him.We have disagreed on this forum so I would say I am being pretty darned open minded in my opinion.Besides what good does attacking Jamie do? It serves no purpose here.If someone disagrees with what he wrote then thats different but to attack him personally serves absolutely no purpose.

[Dan]

    Another good read is Red Flags, Green Flags that was submitted by Gary Bala.Anyone that sees international couples on a daily basis seems to have good advice.



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We are publishing Gary's article at GoodWife found at this link -- http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=34, along with several other good articles, including one from Jamie and another from William3rd (and others).

- Dan

[Bob_S]

EE, it seems like your arguments don't hold a lot of water.

Well, it might hold a little water.  I see where EE's coming from.  It's human nature to not trust the advice from someone who seems to have no personal experience with what they're talking about.  Like an un-married marriage counselor.  You're naturally going to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt.

Though in Jamie's case, and that of any agency owner, it is more like taking parenting advice from a childless school teacher.  They might not have the personal homelife experience to know what is fully going on, but they've seen enough kids pass through the system that they might have something useful to say.  Any newbie just starting out and focusing on LA would do well to spend the time to read all 20-odd pages of his "Men's Mistakes" article.  I skimmed through it, and IMHO think it would do more good than harm generally speaking to someone just starting out.

[Researcher]

We are publishing Gary's article at GoodWife found at this link -- http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=34, along with several other good articles, including one from Jamie and another from William3rd (and others).

- Dan

  Where is the article that William III wrote.I can't believe I missed that one.


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[Researcher]

Well, it might hold a little water.  I see where EE's coming from.  It's human nature to not trust the advice from someone who seems to have no personal experience with what they're talking about.  Like an un-married marriage counselor.  You're naturally going to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt.

Though in Jamie's case, and that of any agency owner, it is more like taking parenting advice from a childless school teacher.  They might not have the personal homelife experience to know what is fully going on, but they've seen enough kids pass through the system that they might have something useful to say.  Any newbie just starting out and focusing on LA would do well to spend the time to read all 20-odd pages of his "Men's Mistakes" article.  I skimmed through it, and IMHO think it would do more good than harm generally speaking to someone just starting out.

   I completely disagree with you Bob S.Comparing this to advice on parenting is comparing apples to oranges.The fact that Jamie lives in Colombia gives him alot of credibility IMO.The fact that he sees this process play out gives him even more.Besides he does have the "endorsements" of several of us that have had success at this.

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[Jamie]

Jamie has the "rest of the story" with the GQ guy ever been published? If so do you have a link? Or can you provide the details here?

He declined to do the second story. I saw him this year when he was in town doing a photo shoot for Playboy magazine and talked to his wife on the phone and everything is fine with him and his family. I can see why one would be hesitant to trust a journalist. Journalist want to create a sensation even when a sensation is not there, and they will make-up quotes to “improve” a story. I was interviewed recently by a journalist for the local newspaper and literally every quote of mine was wrong. The article was all positive, but it was not accurate based on the misquotes.

[Alabamaboy!]

   I completely disagree with you Bob S.Comparing this to advice on parenting is comparing apples to oranges.The fact that Jamie lives in Colombia gives him alot of credibility IMO.The fact that he sees this process play out gives him even more.Besides he does have the "endorsements" of several of us that have had success at this.

   Researcher

Let's put it this way, if there was one person I would follow advice from, it would be from Jamie. Not that he is perfect or that he has had so much success in his own personal dealings, I have no idea about that. But he is at ground zero. He has seen a lot of guys and gals come and go. And has seen a lot of successes and failures. And he is a "hands on" guy and really studies things to get to the bottom of what is going on. Whether it is good or bad.

So it seems like there is a pretty big number of guys that are in the camp of me, researcher, FT, whitey, Raycjs, pivery, etc. And not a whole lot who actually know that guy who would be going against him.

And for the newbies out there, I think the numbers speak volumes.

[El Escéptico]

EE, it seems like your arguments don't hold a lot of water. There are a bunch of guys on this forum who have had excellent results with Jamie and think his advice is right on the money. I even know a few guys who went down in flames that went to his place, did not take his advice, and if you asked them now they would tell you that he was completely correct with all his advice.

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I would not expect a person who I have never agreed with to start now. Good for you then I guess your $1400 you spent on getting advise/dates was worth it. Try Amazon.com next time and get a book on ethics that should help you next time you talk with the Immigration people in Bogota.

[El Escéptico]

So it seems like there is a pretty big number of guys that are in the camp of me, researcher, FT, whitey, Raycjs, pivery, etc. And not a whole lot who actually know that guy who would be going against him.

And for the newbies out there, I think the numbers speak volumes.

Case in point.... you of all people giving advice on relationships. Maybe on how to survive another failed relationship you may be an expert, but telling new people on this board how to find a women in Colombia I think not.

[El Escéptico]

Well, it might hold a little water.  I see where EE's coming from.  It's human nature to not trust the advice from someone who seems to have no personal experience with what they're talking about.  Like an un-married marriage counselor.  You're naturally going to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt.

Though in Jamie's case, and that of any agency owner, it is more like taking parenting advice from a childless school teacher.  They might not have the personal homelife experience to know what is fully going on, but they've seen enough kids pass through the system that they might have something useful to say.  Any newbie just starting out and focusing on LA would do well to spend the time to read all 20-odd pages of his "Men's Mistakes" article.  I skimmed through it, and IMHO think it would do more good than harm generally speaking to someone just starting out.

Bob, if you agree with me your going to get lots of flack here.  But good to have you enjoy the show!

[Dan]

So a quick recap:

* Jamie is an agency owner living in Colombia and some folks feel he has credibility based on 'boots on the ground.'

* Jamie is an agency owner with an obvious fiscal interest with increasing his revenue stream and some folks question his objectivity due to those vested interests.

* El Escéptico has offered several opinions on different topics, and because he is largely unknown, some feel his credibility is lacking.

* Alabamaboy! has been embroiled in one of the more ..... vigorous series of posts PL has seen in some time, and some folks question his decision-making and core values.

* Researcher is . . . hmmmm . . . . thinking  . . . . well, maybe researching and employing the Socratic method for extracting information? (Not sure Researcher - and this was the best I could come up with on short notice)

* And most importantly, it seems raycjs has found a gal! Do I understand that correctly?

Guys - look, you cannot (repeat CANNOT) force anyone else to accept your individual view of who, and who is not, credible. Give it up! Let others make up their own minds - just as you insist on making up YOURS. Make your points (civilly) and then back the phuck off! Once your point it made, it is commemorated in writing for all to see. There is NO NEED to keep harping on the same ol tired points, and it just insures a conflagration. STOP IT!

Capiche?

- Dan

[fathertime]

EE, You are responding to everybody else but I am hearing crickets chirping when it comes to my very basic question about what it was that Jamie said that you disagree with.  Are you not interested in answering it and continuing the discussion?

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

Guys - look, you cannot (repeat CANNOT) force anyone else to accept your individual view of who, and who is not, credible. Give it up! Let others make up their own minds - just as you insist on making up YOURS. Make your points (civilly) and then back the phuck off! Once your point it made, it is commemorated in writing for all to see. There is NO NEED to keep harping on the same ol tired points, and it just insures a conflagration. STOP IT!

Capiche?

- Dan

      I agree completely.Debating whether or not Jamie is "qualified" to give advice on how to find a foreign wife is, as I have been trying to point out, silly.I invite those that don't agree with him to point out where his point of view is incorrect or offer an alternative.This is only constructive.Saying that the source isn't credible is a cop out.So let's end the credibility nonsense and get down to a more productive discussion about what is or isn't a good way to go about finding a foreign wife.

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[El Escéptico]

EE, You are responding to everybody else but I am hearing crickets chirping when it comes to my very basic question about what it was that Jamie said that you disagree with.  Are you not interested in answering it and continuing the discussion?

Fathertime!

With all do respect Father time I did answer it many times. I said his advise holds no water with me because he does not follow his own counsel. Your yardstick to Judge a man may be different then mine. I Judge a man by his actions not his words. Show me what you've done. His words though many need to be backed up with action, his actions, his life. He must walk the talk.

[Researcher]

   Jamie,

   About the only thing I may disagree with you on is your characterization of the negative traits of Colombian women.I can pretty much agree this is the case for women from some areas of Colombia but not all, such as Bogota.The women there seem to be more educated and "go getters" than other places.Do you think your characterization is based more on women fromBQ?


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[JimD]

From latin-wife page:

"There are many ways to learn the desires, character, and potential of the women you are interested in and still have fun. For example, take her to a casino. Most Colombian women will not know how to play blackjack, so teach her and play. You will now see how attentive she is, how quickly she learns, and how open she is to learning something new. You will also get other indications about her, such as how logical she is, how well she follows instruction, and the risks she will take with your money."

Give her money to bet with at a casino? Does anyone who has genuine experience with Colombian girls think this is good advise to follow with a girl you have recently met and are just getting to know? 

[Researcher]

From latin-wife page:

"There are many ways to learn the desires, character, and potential of the women you are interested in and still have fun. For example, take her to a casino. Most Colombian women will not know how to play blackjack, so teach her and play. You will now see how attentive she is, how quickly she learns, and how open she is to learning something new. You will also get other indications about her, such as how logical she is, how well she follows instruction, and the risks she will take with your money."

Give her money to bet with at a casino? Does anyone who has genuine experience with Colombian girls think this is good advise to follow with a girl you have recently met and are just getting to know? 

   Hey Jim D, speaking as someone who has alot of experience with Colombian women I would say that the advice given is good.While I probably could never get my wife to set foot in a Casino, I think the advice is to observe your woman's money habits.That is good advice for guys (or anyone) considering marriage.The casino is just an example.It's a goood one too.Why? because you will more than likely find out if your woman views you as a walking ATM with an endless supply of cash for her to use as she likes.I was also told once to be careful if you take a woman to a restaurant and she chooses the most expensive thing on the menu.If it happens once thats ok but if it is an ongoing thing you might want to take notice.

     Again, observing a woman's money habits and how she views you is something you definitely want to find out.The source of most marital problems is financial.

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