Riots in the streets 2008-2013 style.

[piglett]

i think it will come down to a romney-cain race
romney has some bagage with him so i HOPE it ends with cain on top. he can give bozo a real run for his money.A guy who has been the CEO of 3 corporations up against a man that has never even run a lemonade stand. bye bye bozo
 
pig

[Researcher]

      I like Herman Cain so far. Not because of his business experience.I look at that as a negative really. Running a company and trying to get legislation passed are two different things. I like Cain because he actually has a plan and actually answers questions.In the end that will kill him politically.Now he can be pinned down and criticized(it's coming) by everyone.Politicians don't answer questions so they can go with the political tide and mood of the country.I hope Cain can defend his positions well because he is going to have to.I also hope there are no skeletons in his closet either.

     I don't like Romney.He seems like too much of a phony.If he would actually lay out his agenda in detail I could make up my mind about him.He's a politician so that's not going to happen.We don't have elections as much as popularity contests and he isn't going to risk not being liked.When you lay out your agenda some people aren't going to like it. Look at the last election Obama was about "hope" and "change" but he gave no details.Voters fell for that crap.The only thing I liked about Obama was that his last name wasn't Bush or Clinton.

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[fathertime]

      I like Herman Cain so far. Not because of his business experience.I look at that as a negative really. Running a company and trying to get legislation passed are two different things. I like Cain because he actually has a plan and actually answers questions.In the end that will kill him politically.Now he can be pinned down and criticized(it's coming) by everyone.Politicians don't answer questions so they can go with the political tide and mood of the country.I hope Cain can defend his positions well because he is going to have to.I also hope there are no skeletons in his closet either.
 
    Researcher

I did see Cain was actually answering a lot of questions today.  I think you are right, the media or Obozo is going to try to make a fool out of him and poke holes in his plans.  He will face a lot of heat soon.  I hope he can handle it because I really like his ideas and how he presents himself.   It will be interesting to see what skeletons he has in his closet because they sure will be haunting him soon and I'm pretty sure the closet has something other than moths and old suits in it! 
I'm not a big Romney fan either, but he is steady and generally seems to come close to representing my point of view on most issues. 


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[fathertime]

This may get me in hot water here, but I’m having a hard time believing the govt. regarding this “Iran Terrorist Plot”.  Iran is feverishly working on their nuke program and one of the last things they would want to do is give the USA or Israel a perfect excuse to start bombing them.  I don’t see the incentive for them to create this wacky terrorist plot here in the USA at this time.  I DO see the incentive for our govt. to promote this type of event right now and make Iran the bad guy.    A new war/conflict could create a reason to vote for a man with  international experience next year, and Cain/Romney are more financial guys than international wizards of war, which by default could make Obozo seem more capable.     


Obviously I don’t know for sure what is going on, but I sure as hell am not going to take our govt’s word about what went down.  Ten years ago I would have believed our leadership, but not now.  If they can’t provide real credible evidence of involvement by Iran leadership, then they should stop trying to pin this on the Iranian leadership.  I don’t want to see us involved in another war, based on a lie.  It was interesting though, using the Mexican Mafia as liaisons.  It would be just fine by me to see a few extra dead Mexican Mafia members.   


Now if it actually is credible and Iranian leadership is involved then by all means we should retaliate in a real and strong way.  Now are the Saudi's going to do anything?  After all it was there diplomat that was the target. 




Fathertime! 

[Bob_S]

This may get me in hot water here, but I’m having a hard time believing the govt. regarding this “Iran Terrorist Plot”.

As an old X-Files fan, I always enjoy a good conspiracy theory, so that's where my thoughts went also.  How convenient (using my best Church Lady imitation) it was a plot against Saudi Arabia.  If Israeli fighters were to head to Iran to take out the nuke factories (that all of the Persian gulf states would like to see eliminated), they would have to fly right over Saudi Arabia.  So while officially the Saudis would have to show Islamic unity by condemning an Israeli strike against Iran, this would give them diplomatic and public relations cover to stay silent while allowing such a strike while the hated Israelis use their air space.

Yep, real convenient.

[fathertime]

As an old X-Files fan, I always enjoy a good conspiracy theory, so that's where my thoughts went also.  How convenient (using my best Church Lady imitation) it was a plot against Saudi Arabia.  If Israeli fighters were to head to Iran to take out the nuke factories (that all of the Persian gulf states would like to see eliminated), they would have to fly right over Saudi Arabia.  So while officially the Saudis would have to show Islamic unity by condemning an Israeli strike against Iran, this would give them diplomatic and public relations cover to stay silent while allowing such a strike while the hated Israelis use their air space.

Yep, real convenient.

Hey Bob that is also an interesting point about the airspace.   I am getting to the point where I think you have to believe in conspiracy theories in order to believe the stories our leadership is telling us. 


I would think next year when Obozo is on the campaign trail next year he is going to trumpet all the recent dead terrorists and if at that time another conflict is escalating, he would have a good shot at beating the Republican ticket, as we rally around the flag. 


Fathertime!

[Ray]

 
Hey FT,
 
I have a prediction for the upcoming presidential elections.
 
I predict that Obozo will win California by a landslide margin, no matter who the Republican candidate is.
 
And that may be the only state he wins the way things are going...   
 
 
Ray
 
 

[piglett]

Hey Bob that is also an interesting point about the airspace.   I am getting to the point where I think you have to believe in conspiracy theories in order to believe the stories our leadership is telling us. 


I would think next year when Obozo is on the campaign trail next year he is going to trumpet all the recent dead terrorists and if at that time another conflict is escalating, he would have a good shot at beating the Republican ticket, as we rally around the flag. 


Fathertime!

why in the hell is he starting $hit in Africa?
don't we have enough trouble
but yes if we get hit in the next 13 months BOZO mite make it
if not he is down the road
 
 
pig
 

[fathertime]

why in the hell is he starting $hit in Africa?
don't we have enough trouble
but yes if we get hit in the next 13 months BOZO mite make it
if not he is down the road
 
 
pig

So obozo is going to spend millions more sending 100 ‘advisors’ (and who knows what else) to Central Africa.   Apparently this is supposed to be much more important than our undermanned wide open southern border.   I read regularly that our border patrol is undermanned and outgunned. 


 This is the second deployment of troops to Africa in the last year, the other being in Libya.  Why are our tax dollars funding and attempting to police other nations?  Don’t we the people have ANY say in where are troops are going?  Now 100 American’s are at risk in these African nations, and if something happens to them, is that an excuse to start a broader conflict.   100 troops sure isn’t very many.  It seems to me that they will be sitting ducks if they are out in public. 


Fathertime!

[piglett]

Hey FT,
 
I have a prediction for the upcoming presidential elections.
 
I predict that Obozo will win California by a landslide margin, no matter who the Republican candidate is.
 
And that may be the only state he wins the way things are going...   
 
 
Ray

i don't think Hank is a big fan of bozo 
 
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-m5-g-E8gYA
 
 
enjoy
pig
 

[fathertime]

Well the ‘Occupy wall street’ mobs had a little riot in Rome Italy, with quite a bit of genuine violence and destruction.  Our ‘occupiers’ are still being peaceful for the most part.    I would be really surprised if it stays that way though.  Many of these college kids or dropouts just seem so ignorant and unrealistic and generally angry.  If they do turn violent/destructive then they should lose their credibility. 


I would participate if the populace put something together like an organized bank run to close all our accts and put some banks out of business.  Actually I think it is illegal to organize something like that. 
  I wish there was a way to run our govt. out of business,  but the banks would suffice for now! 




Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

  Well FT, I finally saw an interview with some folks to talk about what the "Occupy Wall Street" movement is about. Apparently they are saying that big business has became too involved with the government. They realize that our government is really being influenced and ran by big money and doesn't  represent the people any more.They claim they are not against capitalism but say that democracy and capitallism should be seperate.Makes sense to me but how are these protests going to change anything?

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[Bob_S]

Don’t we the people have ANY say in where are troops are going?

Yes, we do.  Every 4 years.

So, our company was trying to hire a few college interns for our department.  After narrowing down the applicants to less than half a dozen, only one passed the minimal interview requirements (such as: design and sketch a simple washer).  And that one could not pass the required drug test.

How many of these ne'er-do-wells of the OWS bunch could pass the drug screening now required by many major corporations?  IMHO, Cain is right: if you're not successful, blame yourself.  Interviews with the OWS bunch often show that there's a reason so many don't have jobs or any decent future prospects.

[fathertime]

Yes, we do.  Every 4 years.

So, our company was trying to hire a few college interns for our department.  After narrowing down the applicants to less than half a dozen, only one passed the minimal interview requirements (such as: design and sketch a simple washer).  And that one could not pass the required drug test.

How many of these ne'er-do-wells of the OWS bunch could pass the drug screening now required by many major corporations?  IMHO, Cain is right: if you're not successful, blame yourself.  Interviews with the OWS bunch often show that there's a reason so many don't have jobs or any decent future prospects.

I agree with you, Cain, and Charles Payne from Fox News who all recently said the same thing regarding blaming yourself or taking the opportunity.


Regarding our troops being sent elsewhere...  I don't think that we can do much every 4 years...seems that democrat or republican will sent our troops where they want to without congressional approval or whatever hoops they are typically supposed to jump through...i want to see more checks and balances when it comes to sending our troops to fight or 'advise' overseas.


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    As a whole I'm not too attracted to the OWS movement.Too many socialist ideas seem to be part of it. I do think something should be done about the influence of big business on our government. The financial sector has a record number of lobbyist in Washington. It's something like 5 lobbyists per member of congress.

   As far as getting involved in wars are concerned Obama ran on bringing troops home from Iraq.He really didn't do what he said he would do.So you really don't get a choice every 4 years when candidates say one thing to get elected and do something different when in office.


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[michaelb]

They are right outside my building. I don't have a window, but you can see them out my boss' window. We have about a city block that's part parking lot, part grass. They have a bunch of tents and a few signs set up in the grass. They seem like a well behaved, although somewhat scruffy lot. I don't know what they want, doubt if they do either. As protesters, they just don't measure up....If you wanna end the war and stuff, you gotta sing loud! *

* Just so that I don't get accused of plagiarism, that's a line from Arlo Guthrie's song Alice's Restaurant.

[Researcher]

They are right outside my building. I don't have a window, but you can see them out my boss' window. We have about a city block that's part parking lot, part grass. They have a bunch of tents and a few signs set up in the grass. They seem like a well behaved, although somewhat scruffy lot. I don't know what they want, doubt if they do either. As protesters, they just don't measure up....If you wanna end the war and stuff, you gotta sing loud! *

* Just so that I don't get accused of plagiarism, that's a line from Arlo Guthrie's song Alice's Restaurant.

    Giving credit where credit is due. You're a good man! hahaha!


    Researcher

[piglett]

I agree with you, Cain, and Charles Payne from Fox News who all recently said the same thing regarding blaming yourself or taking the opportunity.


Regarding our troops being sent elsewhere...  I don't think that we can do much every 4 years...seems that democrat or republican will sent our troops where they want to without congressional approval or whatever hoops they are typically supposed to jump through...i want to see more checks and balances when it comes to sending our troops to fight or 'advise' overseas.


Fathertime!

what the hell do we have the UN for ?
send those boys with the cool blue hats in & keep out troops here.
 
 
pig

[Bob_S]

what the hell do we have the UN for ?
send those boys with the cool blue hats in & keep out troops here.

You would think that'd be the way to go.  But with these Chicago-style criminal politicians, you always gotta look for the angle.  Since Cain is rising in the GOP, I wonder if TEH ONE is trying to shore up his cred with a certain domestic voting constituency to stave off any drain of voters that might go over to Cain.

Just another crazy conspiracy theory you are welcome to promote.

[jm21-2]

As an outsider, I predict that none of the republic candidates stand a chance against Obama. It's a lot of pageantry and back-patting in the Republican field, and moaning as well, but I really don't see any of them standing a chance. And if they did get elected, the only one I can think of who would make any real change would be Ron Paul. And that would be too much change for most people. American politics, despite all the yelling and screaming, is mostly about preserving the status quo right now...maintaining the present at the cost of the future....until more of the baby boomers die off, I don't see that changing. I give it about 20 years.

[Jeff S]

I'm guessing that's a cynical gut reaction, not particularly a reasoned out logical one. Every time in my lifetime, going back to Eisenhower, that when the economy takes a dump or major scandals rock DC, there has been a presidential party change - Ike, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush... You really think the anointed one is immune? Obama won with 53%. What percentage of the independents who voted for Obama will decide they were duped and are ready for more change? What percentage of the huge turnout of new Democrats out thinking hope and change was the answer will stay home this time? What percentage of Republicans who were lukewarm about McCain and not happy with W so stayed home last time will absolutely show up this time? It doesn't take very many to tip the scales the other way. I've read thousands of letters to the editor, blog posts, facebook posts and other media of people from these three groups saying they intend to not do with they did last time.


Yep - Wait til them baby boomers die off, and turn everything over to the occupy Wall Street bunch. They'll fix everything. I'll be glad to be gone when that happens.

[jm21-2]

The republicans seem to have a new favorite practically each week. They've got a splinter party to deal with who is very vocal (tea party) and seem to be completely disunited.


Also Obama is a bit different than say Bush I because the economy was already tanking when Obama took office...so it's not a matter of the economy failing while he's in office but him not being able to improve it.


Young people are also most of Ron Paul's supporters. I don't know whether the country will end up more like Greece or Hong Kong, but either way is probably better than the wasteful mish-mash we have right now. Any major change just isn't feasible right now though.

[piglett]

The republicans seem to have a new favorite practically each week. They've got a splinter party to deal with who is very vocal (tea party) and seem to be completely disunited.


Also Obama is a bit different than say Bush I because the economy was already tanking when Obama took office...so it's not a matter of the economy failing while he's in office but him not being able to improve it.


Young people are also most of Ron Paul's supporters. I don't know whether the country will end up more like Greece or Hong Kong, but either way is probably better than the wasteful mish-mash we have right now. Any major change just isn't feasible right now though.

i would say ohbummer's biggest problem is it's hard to really name ANYTHING that he has done (that worked) to help the economy get back on track.
 
 
pig

 
PS: i also hear from many people who voted for him & they are not happy WITH HIM!

[Researcher]

   It looks like Herman Cain is already having to modify his 9-9-9 plan because he is under attack for taxing poor people.He says for those at poverty level their tax will be 9-0-9.If he can be more careful with how he phrases things he may have a shot.


   Researcher

[fathertime]

   It looks like Herman Cain is already having to modify his 9-9-9 plan because he is under attack for taxing poor people.He says for those at poverty level their tax will be 9-0-9.If he can be more careful with how he phrases things he may have a shot.


   Researcher

the reality of 9-9-9 is that there will have to be a little more to than a straight 9-9-9...but if it gets to complicated and too many things get carved out of it then one will have to wonder if it is worth it...i do think it is good to carve out something for the truly poor...but i still think they should also pay...just not quite as high a percentage...
 
his shoot from the hip style is going to cause him some problems, but hopefully he can talk his way out of them.
 
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