Riots in the streets 2008-2013 style.

[thekfc]

 I got this in my email yesterday:

September 2011

 Dear Starbucks Friend and Fellow Citizen:

 I love our country. And I am a beneficiary of the promise of America. But today, I am very concerned that at times I do not recognize the America that I love.

 Like so many of you, I am deeply disappointed by the pervasive failure of leadership in Washington. And also like you, I am frustrated by our political leaders' steadfast refusal to recognize that, for every day they perpetuate partisan conflict and put ideology over country, America and Americans suffer from the combined effects of paralysis and uncertainty. Americans can't find jobs. Small businesses can't get credit. And the fracturing of consumer confidence continues.

 We are better than this.

 Three weeks ago, I asked fellow business leaders to join me in urging the President and the Congress to put an end to partisan gridlock and, in its place, to set in motion an upward spiral of confidence. More than 100 business leaders representing American companies - large and small - joined me in signing a two-part pledge:

 First, to withhold political campaign contributions until a transparent, comprehensive, bipartisan debt-and-deficit package is reached that honestly, and fairly, sets America on a path to long-term financial health and security. Second, to do all we can to break the cycle of economic uncertainty that grips our country by committing to accelerate investment in jobs and hiring.

 In the weeks since then, I have been overwhelmed by the heartfelt stories of Americans from across the country, sharing their anguish over losing hope in the strongest and most galvanizing force of all - the American Dream. Some feel they have no voice. Others feel they no longer matter. And many feel they have been left behind.

 We cannot let this stand.

 Please join other concerned Americans and me on a national call-in conversation on Tuesday September 6th hosted by "No Labels," a nonpartisan organization dedicated to fostering cooperative and more effective government. To learn more about the forum and the pledges, visit www.upwardspiral2011.org

 America is at a fragile and critical moment in its history. We must restore hope in the American Dream. We must celebrate all that America stands for around the world. And while our Founding Fathers recognized the constructive value of political debate, we must send the message to today's elected officials in a civil, respectful voice they hear and understand, that the time to put citizenship ahead of partisanship is now.

 Yours is the voice that can help ignite the contagious upward spiral of confidence that our country desperately needs.

 With great respect,

 
 
 chief executive officer, Starbucks Coffee Company
 

 

[piglett]

i heard something about that group "No Labels"
it's mostly a bunch of dems & rhinos or so i hear.
 
having said that Washington is soooooooooo filled with waste, fraud, & coruption that unless we throw the whole d@m group of them out on their @sses we may be doomed.
 
 
pig

[Researcher]

     It's pretty clear now that the democrats way isn't working.Bailouts and stimulus isn't going to get things going again.I hope we get a republican controlled gov't so that in 4 or so years we will see that their plan, tax cuts and regulation roll backs, will work a little better but won't change things much.

    Researcher

[piglett]

    .I hope we get a republican controlled gov't so that in 4 or so years we will see that their plan, tax cuts and regulation roll backs, will work a little better but won't change things much.

    Researcher

just remember the GOP held both houses & the whitehouse & what exactly did they accomplish
 
i think the tea party may be our only real hope even though the main vain news media hates them & does all they can to make them look bad.
 
pig

[fathertime]

just remember the GOP held both houses & the whitehouse & what exactly did they accomplish
 
i think the tea party may be our only real hope even though the main vain news media hates them & does all they can to make them look bad.
 
pig

Well piggglet I have to agree with you on that one.  The Republicans did NOT 'do us a solid'    last time they were in charge of everything.  If nothing else the Tea Party is going to nudge the Repubicans to the Right.  I still support Ron Paul although, I can vote for Perry too.  If Romney were the nominee, I might go 3rd party like I did last election.


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    I'm not too impressed with the Tea Party and from what I know about Ron Paul's ideas he seems like a nut case.Everyone is playing politics instead of trying to find real solutions to our problems.


   Researcher

[fathertime]

    I'm not too impressed with the Tea Party and from what I know about Ron Paul's ideas he seems like a nut case.Everyone is playing politics instead of trying to find real solutions to our problems.


   Researcher

Researcher!


When you get an opportunity, I'd be interested in reading what it is that makes you down on Ron Paul.  Is it his personality or a specific part of policy you don't like?  It seems to me that he does not play politics as much as the others do and he lays a strong foundation for his points of view.


Thanks,
Fathertime!

[Researcher]

Researcher!


When you get an opportunity, I'd be interested in reading what it is that makes you down on Ron Paul.  Is it his personality or a specific part of policy you don't like?  It seems to me that he does not play politics as much as the others do and he lays a strong foundation for his points of view.


Thanks,
Fathertime!

   
    As far as Ron Paul playing politics he probably isn't as bad as many. He has in the past stood up against earmarks but he has also asked for earmarks on bills that he was against. Maybe that is something he had to do but it seems hypocritical to me.

     I have to admit I think Ron Paul's ideas are in the right direction but he goes a little too extreme. For example, he is for smaller government....great idea, but he is for doing away with, for example, the Department of Education.While it needs to shrink I don't think it should be done away with. Look at private colleges, they are for the most part, a rip off.

    Ron Paul wants to do away with the IRS. I like the idea of that but we need some form of taxes and that means bean counters in the government to handle it. The IRS is way too big and wasteful...and too powerful IMHO, but completely done away with?

    He was against going after Bin Laden like we did.He thinks we should have worked with Pakistan to do it. That is just naive. Bin Laden lived pretty much out in the open and Pakistan had to know he was there. He never would have been killed if we had worked with Pakistan. He also thinks we should have not invaded any country but gone after terrorists....uh, how is that done without invading some country? He is however against nation building and I agree but I think we keep our noses out of other countries but when we are attacked a la 9/11 we should attack without mercy and leave, you know...war not nation building.

    His ideas are a little too extreme for me.Put that together with the racial stuff he said back in the 90's and I don't have much of a good opinion of him.

    Researcher

     

[fathertime]

Thanks Reseacher for providing your opinion on Ron Paul.  I know he is a little extreme too.  I like the general direction he would try to take us.  You are correct on the for-profit colleges.  Many of them are simply pay for a degree colleges and they don't care if the students learn anything. 


I was not aware of Racial things he said in the 90's.  My impression of him is that he is not anti any race, but rather everybody has to take care of themselves.  Can you provide me an example, or link.
 Thanks,


Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

Here is one link that shows some examples from what he did or didn't write:

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-revealed/

   That article also states that Ron Paul admitted to writing them (in 1996) and then denied writing them later.

  To be fair here is a more recent article from CNN:

  http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS

   There are many who don't believe that Ron Paul wrote those things but a ghost writer wrote them.I equate it to Bill Clinton's explanation about smoking pot...he didn't inhale.

     Researcher

[Bob_S]

If Romney were the nominee, I might go 3rd party like I did last election.

As long as he doesn't call me racist for noticing the negative impact of unchecked illegal immigration (like the last nominee did), it wouldn't take much for me to hold my nose and vote for him.

[fathertime]

Here is one link that shows some examples from what he did or didn't write:

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-revealed/

   That article also states that Ron Paul admitted to writing them (in 1996) and then denied writing them later.

  To be fair here is a more recent article from CNN:

  http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS

   There are many who don't believe that Ron Paul wrote those things but a ghost writer wrote them.I equate it to Bill Clinton's explanation about smoking pot...he didn't inhale.

     Researcher

Well Researcher, It seemed completely out of character for RonPaul to say/print that stuff so tried to find a way to really attribute those quotes to him.  It just makes no sense for a man running for office like he has been doing to say something so overtly racist.  The bottom line, based on what I’ve read, I have serious doubts that he would print such a thing.  It appears to me that indeed a ghost writer may have done it.  It does appear bad though and I don’t know that he condemned it strong enough. 


If you listen to him talk now it just doesn’t seem possible that he would say such things.  He always appears like such a sincere and kind-hearted man.    It definitely has muddied the waters a bit.  Obviously it would be bad if we allowed a divider from the right to enter the office.  In many ways, I see obozo as a divider too!   I realize that Ron Paul is not likely to win, but many of his ideas appeal to me. 


My conclusion is that I think Ron Paul should be supported or not supported based what policies he would like to implement.


Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

      I like alot of his policies also but I remember when he took credit for writing the stuff and tried to explain it away.Now he is denying he wrote the stuff.That doesn't sit right with me.Of course many, if not all, politicians lie. That's how they get elected.The press completely ignores some politician's fibs while focusing on other's so I don't think Ron Paul can get around this issue.

        Researcher

[fathertime]

      I like alot of his policies also but I remember when he took credit for writing the stuff and tried to explain it away.Now he is denying he wrote the stuff.That doesn't sit right with me.Of course many, if not all, politicians lie. That's how they get elected.The press completely ignores some politician's fibs while focusing on other's so I don't think Ron Paul can get around this issue.

        Researcher

Well you have more 1st hand experience with this issue than me.  This is the first I had ever heard of it.  This would be a little more than a flub, IF it is true!  It would be a disqualifier.


Fathertime!




Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

      It looks like the real politics has begun. Mitt Romney has laid out his jobs plan.Not too bad as long as he can actually pull it off. Getting rid of many companies excuses for not hiring is a good start. Then we'll see if it will actually work.I believe it will help but the unemployment problem will be with us for a long time.

     Tomorrow night Obama (Oblamer) will lay out his jobs plan.If it is more of this "shovel ready infrastructure", "green jobs" BS that hasn't worked he will talk about I will probably lose hope in anything getting better.Unless a candidate comes out of the Republican party that is better than what they already have I'm afraid we'll be stuck with our inexperienced leader.I don't think our economy can stand by while Obama gets more "on the job training".

     Researcher

[Jeff S]

They've mapped that previously undiscovered faultline under Washington DC that caused the earthquake a couple weeks ago. They gave Obama the choice to name it and after some serious consideration he finally decided on "Bush's Fault."

[Researcher]

     I watched the republican debate last night, well most of it, and I have to say there were some good ideas talked about.The best one was the idea that Obama needs to go.I have to agree.

    I was glad to see Ron Paul challlenged on some of his ideas.He has some good ones but his credibility goes out the window when he starts yammering about the "free market" solution to everything.Sometimes he gets carried away and gets that far away look in his eyes like Ross Perot used to.He stammers too much also which is a negative for a candidate.The other candidates had negatives also so I'm glad there is some time before having to make a choice.

       Researcher

[piglett]

 
     Tomorrow night Obama (Oblamer) will lay out his jobs plan.If it is more of this "shovel ready infrastructure", "green jobs" BS that hasn't worked      Researcher

do you remember back when obummer was green jobs this & green jobs that he made a speech at a factory that was making solar panels?
well guess what the other day that factory sent everyone home & filed for bankruptcy, green jobs my @ss
what he doesn't tell you is that in many cases even if you do have a few green jobs show up most of the time they are just replacing normal "brown" jobs , so what exactly was gained? also if you were laid off from your regular job months ago do you really give a flying r@ts @ss if your new job is green brown or purple ?
you just want to be able to have a job to take care of your commitments PERIOD
 
 
pig

[Alabamaboy!]

do you remember back when obummer was green jobs this & green jobs that he made a speech at a factory that was making solar panels?
well guess what the other day that factory sent everyone home & filed for bankruptcy, green jobs my @ss
what he doesn't tell you is that in many cases even if you do have a few green jobs show up most of the time they are just replacing normal "brown" jobs , so what exactly was gained? also if you were laid off from your regular job months ago do you really give a flying r@ts @ss if your new job is green brown or purple ?
you just want to be able to have a job to take care of your commitments PERIOD
 
 
pig

I live in a desert city. They are currently making huge "solar farms" (which was one of my own big ideas), putting them in basically desert wasteland which would probably never be used for other purposes. Anyway they are hiring guys like crazy to install and assemble these solar panels. But guess what? After they are all in place they will only keep a few workers to maintain them. The rest will be laid off. If they do new projects in areas 200 miles from this project, who from here is going to pick up and move to that new place to work? More likely is that they will hire guys for a couple years to install the panels and lay them off too.

I think we should be doing a huge exploration, drilling, and mining project in Alaska and other wide open areas of this country which were previously off limits for whatever reason. When the environmentalists start crying, just simply ignore them, because this country is going down the [snip]ter quickly and without jobs....it will not make much difference if we have the national parks or not. Nobody will ever be able to enjoy them because they will have no cash to drive there. And besides, many of the parks are already being defunded and basically shut down because of Federal budget cuts. And that trend will get worse unless we get things rolling.

[Jeff S]

The truth about ANWR: http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/29/the-truth-about-anwr/

[Researcher]

The truth about ANWR: http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/29/the-truth-about-anwr/

    Good info Jeff S. I think we should drill where we can.I'm kinda glad it hasn't been tapped yet though because the idiots we have had in office would probably just end up giving the oil away to other countries anyway.

    Researcher

[fathertime]

I watched the Obozo speech and I also watched a lot of the Republican debate.  I still think Ron Paul is the guy I would most likely support at this point, although he has virtually no chance, because he doesn't appear very presidential.  For some reason, I seem to like the way Romney communicates over Perry, which is a change.  I really like Herman Cain, but he also has no chance.


One thing about that damn obozo speech that I think is so stupid, is that the idiots in congress just can't stop clapping all the damn time.  Why don't they just STFU and listen to the speech without turning it into a partisan circus?   These members of govt. have nothing to clap about anyway, they are in large part responsible for the horrid policies we currently have. 


This should be another wild week for the stock markets.  There is nothing but bad financial news out there, although maybe Colgado would disagree with me. 


Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

   Hey FT, Ron Paul did get to explain himself a little.When it comes to his ideas of doing away with alot of things he did say not to do it all at once.That shows some sense of sanity about him.The way he stammers though is a big negative for him.

  I saw Obama's speech also.His ideas are purely political.He is trying to appear bipartisan so he can play the blame game that he is so good at.

      Researcher

[fathertime]

   Hey FT, Ron Paul did get to explain himself a little.When it comes to his ideas of doing away with alot of things he did say not to do it all at once.That shows some sense of sanity about him.The way he stammers though is a big negative for him.

  I saw Obama's speech also.His ideas are purely political.He is trying to appear bipartisan so he can play the blame game that he is so good at.

      Researcher

I also noticed that Ron Paul did talk about gradually doing away with certain programs, which seemed very sensible to me too. 


Obozo's speech was definitely a waste of time as usual.  How many times did he say 'Pass the bill RIGHT AWAY'.  As if they shouldn't even deliberate about it, just pass it without looking at it.  Ha, what a ridiculous system this govt. has turned into.


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

     I watched the republican debate last night. I'd say that any candidate up there would make a better president than Obama.He clearly has no idea what he is doing.

     Researcher