Riots in the streets 2008-2013 style.

[Researcher]

     That's true JM. Corruption is the way of business in many other countries. That's one thing that hurts us with these free trade agreements. It doesn't surprise me when I here we always get the short end of the stick with other countries. Does anyone expect a corrupt system to hold up its end of an agreement?


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[Bob_S]

Last I remember, no union ever ran a plant or a school.

When the union sets the rules by which anyone can be hired or fired, they do de facto run the plant or school.  And it has a notable impact on quality and/or price.

Putting those with top merits in government jobs can also result in them having a huge ego and sense of entitlement....they'd do a purge of the corrupt officials in the construction bureau (or whatever it was called) every now and then and there were so many corrupt workers that there were always a ton of openings. Construction companies bribing government officials, rigged bidding, etc.,

Yeah, but that's Chinese for you.  Republic of or People's Republic of, doesn't matter.  Corruption is part of the game.  Only Hong Kong shows clean, but their system is more British than Chinese.  I'm talking first world industrialized democracies.  Public service is not just for the shlubs who are too lazy or incompetent to get a real job in the private sector.

[jm21-2]

Yeah, but that's Chinese for you.  Republic of or People's Republic of, doesn't matter.  Corruption is part of the game.  Only Hong Kong shows clean, but their system is more British than Chinese.  I'm talking first world industrialized democracies.  Public service is not just for the shlubs who are too lazy or incompetent to get a real job in the private sector.

The link is for perceptions of corruptions index....there are a lot of cultural factors that go into perceptions. Some cultures are much more trusting of their government. I remember reading how the prosecution rate in Japan was through the roof for decades (clsoe to 100%) because everyone trusted the prosecutors so much...after all, they were very bright respectable public servants...but with the introduction of DNA testing it turns out they made a lot of mistakes.

I don't think I've ever talked with a Chinese person who liked or trusted any government...that's probably a healthy practice really. I always liked that about Chinese girls...

EDIT:
And Taiwan isn't exactly a dictatorial backwater....they are a pretty modern country and their representatives at least have the decency to get into fist fights. When was the last time you saw congressman getting into fistfights on the floor of the house? A damn shame...

[El flaco]

If had to choose lazy or corrupt government workers I guess I would choose lazy assuming their deficiencies were equally detrimental to the citizenry.

The important point is government workers who are janitors, toll takers and parking attendants shouldn't be pulling in 6 figure incomes + pensions(many do in MA) even if they are a good employees.  If they are lazy or corrupt that just adds insult to injury.  Their wages should be adjusted to what a similarly skilled job pays in the private sector.  They still get great job security working for the government and a modest pension too.  I bet public sector union workers in France or Germany who are toll takers, janitors or parking attendants don't pull in 100 grand/yr.

[Tanuki]

Bob-S Unions do not set the rules.  We all sat down at that bargaining table and hammered out the details, between the union and the management team. Then we all sign those agreements and ratify the contract.

The rules are then enforced, not enforced consistently, or just violated.  Takes both parties to sit at the table and takes both parties to agree.

Management that is greedy, cheap, lazy, corrupt, inexperienced, or shoddy will try and circumvent those agreed rules.  When management tries to break those rules, the arbitration process starts.

Jeff-Really? You can't see that Corporate greed will cause management to do dumb a@@ things.  So when safety equipment fails and that equipment takes away from the bottom line instead of adding to profit, they will choose what option?  Oh, yeah. I forgot. You are the same person that said regulatory fines and penalties make management fall in line (friendly barb).  While I wish that was true, it is not.

[fathertime]

Right now the world is getting a little crazy...with riots and the beginning of rebellions in so many countries...and Japan going through such a national  nightmare. 

I know that Japan and the USA say the nuclear radiation is pretty much undetectable and I suppose that is true...but they are saying it has arrived here in CA, I would imagine it would only get worse since much of the damage has been done in the past couple days...Now, I knew that the United States and possibly other countries tested a lot of atomic bombs on atolls out in the ocean back in the 1940's and 1950's...So I did a little research and found that the USA exploded 23 nuclear devices on the Bikini Atoll....I have to wonder where all that radiation went...it must have been a very large amount compared to what is happening in Japan now...we have a lot more cancer nowadays compared to past times...maybe that is because we are living longer or maybe it is because there was a lot of radiation around in the 1950's...I'd be curious to know more about other countries and how they conducted their nuclear tests above ground and how they accounted for the radiation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

So those crybabies in Afghanistan are now rioting and killing random westerners because that Pastor here in the USA was burning a koran and who does the mainstream media side with??  The MUSLIMS!  I am happy that pastor burned their koran, this is america and we still have a few rights left and he doesn't like their religion and can do what he wants to.  The pastor had courage and has received 300 death threats and countring.  Lindsey Graham now wants to limit free speech when it comes to burning the koran...

I'd rather we take this opportunity to mow down several 100 thousand extremists that are willing to kill innocent bystanders because some guy burned their koran.  These are the same jackasses that burn our flag and bibles so who cares about their 'rights', they are enemies of the world, just like Lindsey Graham is an enemy of the American people's rights! He'd rather limit our rights because some fanatic in Afghanistan is offended by a little koran bbq 1000's of miles away.
 
Here is the link which contains the 1 minute video clip.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-lindsey-graham-freedom-of-speech-is-a-great-idea-but-were-in-a-war/

Fathertime! 

[piglett]

what are the chances of us getting a real president with a real set of b@lls
the next time around?

if we were to get a real bad @ssed mother f*cker who said
"you know what it's time that we stop taking all this shyte from these terrorists
lets bomb the hell out of them"

would you support him ?
would the American sheep support him?

do any of the prostitutes that we elected & sent to Washington have any intention of ever fixing the terrorist problem or do they just intend to keep filling their own dam pockets with more & more bribe money???

there are only 2 reasons why we have such a huge national debt
the reasons are called Democrat & Republican
both parties act like they are looking out for us but as soon as we turn our back on them they put the screws rite to us.

what is the solution (besides hanging all the prostitutes)
I'm not so sure the sheep would have the guts to do that, so what can be done?

pig

[fathertime]

what are the chances of us getting a real president with a real set of b@lls
the next time around?
 

well pigleet I'm convinced that we are going to wind up wtih 4 more years of Obama, the reason I say that is because I'm not voting for a mainstream republican and i think a lot of others feel the same way...my vote is with Ron Paul or even Donald Trump' but i don't think those guys can win, hopefully i'm wrong, I'd like to see the repubs run somebody i want to vote for, but i doubt it will happen

Fathertime!

[fathertime]

what is the solution (besides hanging all the prostitutes)
I'm not so sure the sheep would have the guts to do that, so what can be done?

pig

What can be done?  Well for one do you see the title of this thread? That is what it is going to come down to!

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

 

well pigleet I'm convinced that we are going to wind up wtih 4 more years of Obama, the reason I say that is because I'm not voting for a mainstream republican and i think a lot of others feel the same way...my vote is with Ron Paul or even Donald Trump' but i don't think those guys can win, hopefully i'm wrong, I'd like to see the repubs run somebody i want to vote for, but i doubt it will happen

Fathertime!

                        Hey FT don't you have faith in our government's economic policies...


                                                           


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[Bob_S]

do any of the prostitutes that we elected & sent to Washington have any intention of ever fixing the terrorist problem or do they just intend to keep filling their own dam pockets with more & more bribe money???

I vote for the bribe money.

[piglett]

What can be done?  Well for one do you see the title of this thread? That is what it is going to come down to!

Fathertime!

i'll be glad to bust out with my thug clothes & mix it up with the washington whores if needed


pig

[fathertime]

i'll be glad to bust out with my thug clothes & mix it up with the washington whores if needed


pig

You will have your chance buddy.  After Obama wins the 3 way race in 2012 with under 40% of the popular vote, we shall see anger boil over and the streets fill up.  Maybe the Russians or the Chinese will eagerly inject themselves in our internal problem and start some bombing runs and/or supply us rebels with arms! 

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

        Or at least other countries could engage in some nation building here in the US.


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[fathertime]

so with the governmental shutdown looming tomorrow maybe we can just tell the border patrol to take a couple weeks vacation and let all of mexico move in...i'm so disgusted with our leadership that i would welcome  Donald Trump to take over...i'm guessing he would represent my interests more so than these last 2 bozos.

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

     The thing is they could have passed a budget months ago but didn't because it was an election year. Politics at work, its a shame.They are too worried about what they are going to get out of the system to actually do anything to benefit the country.

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[Bob_S]

so with the governmental shutdown looming tomorrow maybe we can just tell the border patrol to take a couple weeks vacation and let all of mexico move in...

Have you looked outside your door lately?  They're already here.

[fathertime]

Have you looked outside your door lately?  They're already here.

Yesterday I had a new COUCH and table delivered to my house.  As you might imagine, the two young men doing the delivering spoke Spanish, my wife spoke spanish, and i've been pretty much forced to speak spanish too if i'm going to blend in. 
Frequently when I go shopping for groceries or go to misc. places outdoors it is SPANISH ONLY.  It seems to me that our govt. has allowed an invasion to occur from Mexico. There will be several 1000 new Mexican arrivals today as a matter of fact.   Frankly I think it is too late to do anything about it now.  Here in CA, the young mexican population are in control, if anything it is us of European,Black, or Asian, descent that should either adapt or get the hell out of here.  Our govt isn't too worried about us stupid US citizens revolting and filling the streets up, they are far more concerned if the poor Mexican underclass gets angry and starts burning down OUR society.  That is one reason why the govt. lets illegal alien kids qualify for food stamps, free school food, and who knows what else.  Keep em fat and happy for now.  Our impotent govt. has forced a societal change upon us directly against the common folk's will, and the citizens have allowed this to happen by not taking to the streets sooner. Now I think it is too late.

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    I don't know FT. When our government is so broke it can't pay the military maybe the citizens can take this country back. We'll have to start from scratch. The current government no longer listens to the will of the people so it is useless.


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[Bob_S]

The current government no longer listens to the will of the people so it is useless.

The Dems definitely don't hear a thing.  The Repubs think they may have heard something but aren't sure, it may have just been their dog farting.

[Researcher]

     It seems as though our government finally pushed through the budget last night in the wee hours.Their going to cut 38 billion dollars in spending but keep borrowing at a pace that will make these cuts not noticeable.

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[Jeff S]

Look at it this way, If your household budget was $2000 per month, and after exhaustive negotiations with your wife, you were able to finally decide to cut it down to 1999.80, would you call it a success? Well, 38 billion out of 3.8 trillion is equivalent to 20 cents out of $2000.

Oh and you still have to borrow $737 to come up with that $2000 - all you earn is $1263.

What do you suppose is going to happen in the long run?

[Ray]

What do you suppose is going to happen in the long run?

Back to the original title of the thread... riots in the streets.

That's what's happening in Europe when they try to cut off any of the freebies.

Ray

[Researcher]

     I agree Jeff S. This shutdown is just a show.What will our "leaders" be saying when the economy collapses again?

                   



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