Riots in the streets 2008-2013 style.

[El flaco]

I wouldn't call the activity in this video a riot, but it certainly gives an indication of where we are headed.  As an aside I know we are a fat nation, but I didn't realize how bad it is.  I haven't seen so much blubber since the PBS special on walruses.


http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Hundreds-line-up-for-Dallas-County-Rental-Vouchers-125555383.html

[fathertime]

I don't know about McCain doing any worse. I can hardly imagine anyone messing things up as bad as what Obama has done with this economy.

Hey AB!  I think you misunderstood my post. I think that McCain would have likely had us closer to the road to recovery, but I think that riots would have already occured.  Obozo is just putting off the riots. 


That being said, who the hell knows for sure about McCain, he might have tried to legalize all the illegals and he might have us even deeper in those 3 wars.


Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

   Hey FT, I think you are correct.McCain wouldn't have pushed that Obama Care but he would have gotten us into more foreign conflicts which would have been costly as well.He would have also granted the illegals amnesty, which is probably coming no matter who is in office.Just goes to show we taxpayers are screwed no matter who is in office.I'd say either party is going to finish flushing this country down the toilet it is just a matter of which lobbyists you prefer pulling the handle.

    Researcher

       

[Alabamaboy!]

   Hey FT, I think you are correct.McCain wouldn't have pushed that Obama Care but he would have gotten us into more foreign conflicts which would have been costly as well.He would have also granted the illegals amnesty, which is probably coming no matter who is in office.Just goes to show we taxpayers are screwed no matter who is in office.I'd say either party is going to finish flushing this country down the toilet it is just a matter of which lobbyists you prefer pulling the handle.

    Researcher

       

That is true. The biggest and best thing that Obama has done for our country since taking office is that he has vastly improved the reputation of the US abroad. So if the [snip] hits the fan with our economy, we will probably receive a lot more support than if Bush was still there talking his John Wayne BS style. I had done some research before to see how Bush and US were perceived a few years back and it was absolutely incredible. Most places had Bush on par with Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain. And have very poor views on Americans in general. But I did the same thing a while back, and the whole story has changed. And alot of those places have at least a favorable rating for us now.

Heck somehow Obama even won the Nobel Peace Prize even though we have 2 wars going on, so I guess he has done that right.

I think McCain would have been a mini-Bush and would have continued with the trash talking and would have been more detrimental to world peace than Obama.

[no comment]

That is true. The biggest and best thing that Obama has done for our country since taking office is that he has vastly improved the reputation of the US abroad. So if the [snip] hits the fan with our economy, we will probably receive a lot more support than if Bush was still there talking his John Wayne BS style. I had done some research before to see how Bush and US were perceived a few years back and it was absolutely incredible. Most places had Bush on par with Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain. And have very poor views on Americans in general. But I did the same thing a while back, and the whole story has changed. And alot of those places have at least a favorable rating for us now.

Heck somehow Obama even won the Nobel Peace Prize even though we have 2 wars going on, so I guess he has done that right.

I don't miss GWB but he's well liked in African nations that received support in dealing with AIDS on the continent.  Refresh my memory regarding Obama's Nobel Prize... what did he do to earn it?

[afj56]

I can't believe there is so much bashing of President Obama.  If John A. Boehner, the cry baby,
Eric Cantor and the rest of the Republicans can stop acting like 5 year old white boys, who take their ball home with them when they can't get their way, maybe the U.S.A. would by a better country.  Where was all of the uproar when George W. Bush was in office.  Nothing was said.  Now everyone wants to blame President Obama for everything.  He's not perfect.  Osama Bin Laden was taken care of on President Obama's watch.  Be thankful.  If we all work together the U.S.A. and the world would be a better place.
 

[fathertime]

  If John A. Boehner, the cry baby,
Eric Cantor and the rest of the Republicans can stop acting like 5 year old white boys, who take their ball home with them when they can't get their way, maybe the U.S.A. would by a better country.   

How do 5 year old black boys, or chinese boys act different than 5 year old white boys?  I was under the impression that it is always up to the individual. 


Fathertime!

[Alabamaboy!]

I don't miss GWB but he's well liked in African nations that received support in dealing with AIDS on the continent.  Refresh my memory regarding Obama's Nobel Prize... what did he do to earn it?

I guess the only thing he did to earn it was not be George Bush. Other than that, nothing.

[Alabamaboy!]

I can't believe there is so much bashing of President Obama.  If John A. Boehner, the cry baby,
Eric Cantor and the rest of the Republicans can stop acting like 5 year old white boys, who take their ball home with them when they can't get their way, maybe the U.S.A. would by a better country.  Where was all of the uproar when George W. Bush was in office.  Nothing was said.  Now everyone wants to blame President Obama for everything.  He's not perfect.  Osama Bin Laden was taken care of on President Obama's watch.  Be thankful.  If we all work together the U.S.A. and the world would be a better place.

Obama ran on a platform of change. He has not changed [snip]. He is as arrogant, foolhardy, wasteful, and dangerous as Bush was....almost. He has not done much of anything I can think of. He goes to tons of fundraisers while this debt ceiling thing has turned into a mess. He did the same thing with the Gulf Oil spill crisis. He should concentrate on his job and let telemarketers or someone else take care of his fund raising. He is a sitting PRESIDENT. He does not need fund raising or any of that baloney. He just needs to do his job well and he will get elected in a landslide. His opponents are at a huge disadvantage. They are not sitting Presidents who can actually make decisions and guide the country. Only he is. So when he is failing on such an enormous scale on so many fronts, it doesn't matter how much telemarketing, late night infomercials, or other crap he is doing, he is going to lose big time. The people hate this kind of president. He knows that. That is how he got elected by saying he was something else. But in the end the American people got scammed.

[robert angel]

What irks me about obama most lately is how he's changed his media persona (or seems to be trying to) from some warm and fuzzy guy, looking out for the poor the middle class and the elderly, to some almost John Wayne kinda wannabee, talking real tough about our debts, not raising the debt ceiling and making (without getting specific) comments about how cutting spending has to be done, as he storms out of an important economic meeting like a 12 y/o brat who didn't get his instant gratification.
 
My, my--is he showing just how typical he is of the having the bad traits Americans have come to hate in their elected officials, or what?

[Researcher]

      Obama isn't bashed enough and neither are the rest of the worthless politicians.The only thing that got Obama elected was that his last name isn't Bush or Clinton.He is still trying to blame Bush for all the economic woes but sorry, fhis economy and the 9% plus unemployment is Obama's now.US citizens should start voting out anyone that isn't looking out for them, which would be all of them.I say even impeaching the ones that don't do what the people want immediately.But that's not going to happen.Everyone will continue to buy into the lies until we are a 3rd world country.

      Researcher

[Researcher]

This article is another big example about how stupid our country is. Where else on planet earth would it be acceptable to let a 17 year old from a non-wealthy family to rack up $140K in student loans for a BS in political science of all things. We almost deserve to go down the tubes doing stupid things like that.

       I agree with you AB but that is only part of the equation.There are alot of "for profit" colleges out there that are pushing for high enrollment numbers.Of course, they are only doing what businesses do but it is also causing some deceptive practices akin to home mortgage loans a few years ago.The answer is for students to be more aware of what is going on and making good decisions.There are some sad stories of students borrowing big bucks for a degree only to find out that the school is not accredited.They can't geg the job they were told they could get and can't pay back the loan.Again, buyer beware in an area that has changed dramatically.

    Researcher

[El flaco]

I can't believe there is so much bashing of President Obama.  If John A. Boehner, the cry baby,
Eric Cantor and the rest of the Republicans can stop acting like 5 year old white boys, who take their ball home with them when they can't get their way, maybe the U.S.A. would by a better country.  Where was all of the uproar when George W. Bush was in office.  Nothing was said.  Now everyone wants to blame President Obama for everything.  He's not perfect.  Osama Bin Laden was taken care of on President Obama's watch.  Be thankful.  If we all work together the U.S.A. and the world would be a better place.

I guess you can include Allen West in the "5 year old white boys" crowd! LOL


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-west-obama-sad-pathetic-fear-mongeri

[fathertime]

Obozo is really taking a hard line with the debt talks.  I don't see how the overspending can be defended, it has to end.  Obozo is giving daily partisan speeches ripping the Republicans.  I would go out of my way not to work with him and to call out his tactics. It seems like Obozo is even going so far as to play victim now too. 
In my opinion he should be excluded from the negotiations since he can't shut the eff and he continues to whine/misrepresent the Republican viewpoint.  He is the president but he sure acts like a tattletale crybaby. This is up to the house and senate, if Obozo vetos the bill he can suffer the consequences.   


Fathertime!

[robert angel]

Obama walked into an almost impossible situation,---they had really screwed the pooch domestically, internationally, economically, in the worst way, before he got to the White House, leaving him inheriting one helluva a mess that hadn't really even reached the bottom yet --in fact, it may be a ways from 'the bottom' just yet.
 
Then he walked into Washington DC about as green as a guy could be--no multiple terms of office, no experience working with the 'cloakroom politicos'. Deals are struck between the Dems, Republicans and the devil everyday in 'back rooms' in that town--we just don't know or hear the half of it. "Quid Pro Quo" ought to be our national motto. But things CAN be done, unless you happened to be a Jimmy Carter, (Dem GA) or in this case--an "Obama" -guys from the outside coming in.

At least after a year or so, Carter wised up and 'tried', but to no avail. One term later, it was back to the peanut farm.
 
LBJ (President L.B. Johnson (Dem, TX) in a situation like this, would've twisted more arms and made more 'cloakroom' deals than any other president in the last 50 years. The Vietnam War sucked the life out of him though and in that, as well in many other ways (honesty and intellect for two,) he was no Lincoln.
 
 
I personally think Reagan was a light weight--his greatest gift was picking cabinet members who were pretty good and the situation when he walked into the oval office was a cakewalk compared to Obama's.
 
 
The only more farfetched Hollywood story than "Ronald Reagan goes from 'Bedtime for Bonzo' to Washington DC's Oval Office" (via California) would be 'Forest Gump'--which was fiction, after all. Who'd believe someone who played a second banana to a chimpanzee in what was barely a 'B' scale movie, would eventually ascend to the most powerful office on the planet?
 
BUT, I have little doubt that if a 'Ronald Reagan', (Rep. CA) was confronted with the gravity of our current situation, he would have signed off on cuts you wouldn't believe. Don't forget, he was a guy who was cool with allowing ketchup to be declared a 'vegetable' in school lunches, to stop blind people from being able to mail letters postage free, etc. He was an 'actor' to the bone--the "Great Communicator' via the media, but (yes, this is backward hypothetical) he would've listened to his cabinet members and cut the bejesus out of this budget, top to bottom.
 
Now Obama is in a situation that at best would require two terms in office to begin to repair the damage, to try and stop the hemorrhaging of spending, eliminating all the redundant services and agencies gone wild, etc. He's got a job akin to trying to turn the Titantic around in a duck pond, all the while working with a congress and senate he doesn't seem capable of working with, to turn it around.
 
But now he's talking, but not walking tough (coming closer to election time already ya know) but he won't deliver the cuts required. He's not listening because he's too busy talking, or otherwise fuming until he tantrums and storms out, nothing resolved. He talks about 'yes we can'--'team work'  'together' and 'the American People deserve better'--but they're all increasingly hollow 'sound bites', as he personally demonstrates he's NOT a 'team player'. Hell, he can't even keep his own people from leaving his 'team'. He's basically a rookie on a steep learning curve and he's using the same old ruler--with no curve to it.
 
Expect him to run a reelection campaign along the lines of a oft used election quote:
 
"Don't change horses in the middle of a stream"
 
And I don't see anybody out there in a fragmented 'opposition' with the charisma so important to Americans, never mind any real plans or solutions proposed, that can stop this blundering fool.
 
These next few weeks may be VERY interesting from a global economic point of view.
 

[Researcher]

Obozo is really taking a hard line with the debt talks.  I don't see how the overspending can be defended, it has to end.  Obozo is giving daily partisan speeches ripping the Republicans.  I would go out of my way not to work with him and to call out his tactics. It seems like Obozo is even going so far as to play victim now too. 
In my opinion he should be excluded from the negotiations since he can't shut the eff and he continues to whine/misrepresent the Republican viewpoint.  He is the president but he sure acts like a tattletale crybaby. This is up to the house and senate, if Obozo vetos the bill he can suffer the consequences.   


Fathertime!

        The sad thing FT is that the real issue is being clouded here.The real issue is he US Government spends too much money.Our government is collecting more money than it ever has and it isn't enough.The crapola agreement is they want to increase taxes $1 for every $1 they cut from the budget.To me these are seperate issues.First they should cut everything that can be cut and then raise taxes only if needed....and it probably is needed. The problem is the government is spending too much not taking in too little!

        Researcher

[El flaco]

        The sad thing FT is that the real issue is being clouded here.The real issue is he US Government spends too much money.Our government is collecting more money than it ever has and it isn't enough.The crapola agreement is they want to increase taxes $1 for every $1 they cut from the budget.To me these are seperate issues.First they should cut everything that can be cut and then raise taxes only if needed....and it probably is needed. The problem is the government is spending too much not taking in too little!

        Researcher

I agree.  The debate should be Republicans saying here are the hundreds of billions we are going to cut each year for the next 5 years and then the Democrats say here are hundreds of billions we want to cut.  The overlapping cuts are a done deal then it is a matter of negotiating where each party accepts some cuts they don't want.  If the debate ends up being we want tax increases every time you want a cut then we are going no where fast.  By the time we get to a balanced budget our tax rates would be 70%.


The worst outcome would be a long term deal with real tax increases and no real cuts, only a reduction in the growth of spending many years down the road.  The CBO scoring can easily be manipulated over long periods of time by putting in low projections in costs associated with SS and Medicare combined with a high growth in GDP.  The press will sell it as Obama solving America's deficit problem and the stock market will rally big time.  The reality will of course be that we are still headed for a fiscal train wreck.

[fathertime]

When Aug 2 comes up and we have no more credit, we can still easily pay the interest on the debt, based on the tax receipts the US receives monthly.  Somebody else will not be able to get paid and govt. will have to shrink, which is what most people want. What happens if the 45million people on food stamps were to find out there is no money for them?   That would almost assure  “Riots in the Streets”.  I’m pretty sure Obozo would prioritize them, and would rather cut border security, which would probably be his first cut actually, just to spite the people here!


If no deal is reached by this weekend, the ride should be wild this week!  We need massive change in our broken/corrupt govt. 






BTW Flaco and Rese, I agree with everything you said in both of your previous posts. 


Fathertime!

[Ray]

 
The REAL issue here has nothing to do with the deficit or paying interest on the debt.
 
This is all about a choice between capitalism and socialism as the system this country is going to follow.
 
Since Obozo is nothing but a little lying commie, you shouldn't believe ANYTHING the idiot says.
 
Amen!
 
Ray
 
 

 
 

[no comment]

Obama walked into an almost impossible situation,---they had really screwed the pooch domestically, internationally, economically, in the worst way, before he got to the White House, leaving him inheriting one helluva a mess that hadn't really even reached the bottom yet --in fact, it may be a ways from 'the bottom' just yet.
 
The only more farfetched Hollywood story than "Ronald Reagan goes from 'Bedtime for Bonzo' to Washington DC's Oval Office" (via California) would be 'Forest Gump'--which was fiction, after all. Who'd believe someone who played a second banana to a chimpanzee in what was barely a 'B' scale movie, would eventually ascend to the most powerful office on the planet?

We keep hearing from the president that he "inherited" the problem, which translates as "don't look at me, it's George Bush's fault."  If he can't handle the challenge, he shouldn't have applied for the job.  It's not at all reassuring to hear the same excuse this far into the term, and the "it was worse than we thought" line.


Beside his role in a forgettable film, Reagan's resume included Governor of California & president of the Screen Actors Guild.

[robert angel]

Re:
 
>>>Beside his role in a forgettable film, Reagan's resume included Governor of California & president of the Screen Actors Guild.<<<
 
Reagan starred in few good films and did a pretty good job in some them too --ie "Knute Rockne, All American" and "King's Row".  I think he was a better actor than most gave him credit for and that not too many really good roles went to him. Most of his films were 'forgettable' in my opinion, as was his TV work.
 
Few remember that after being a long time democrat, that at age 51 he switched to the republican side and within four years, was elected Governor of California (twice) He was active in the Screen Actor's Guild (Union), serving as President for 8 years, while acting as a spy ferreting out 'communists' in SAG for the FBI. I'm not saying changing is bad, but I sometimes wonder if Reagan was more the 'opportunist' than he was actually acting out of his deepest convictions.
 
I'm tempted to say that a story like his could have occurred "only in America" but even with the fact that a lot of nations, in countries all over the world will elect 'celebrities' to high offices, his was a pretty amazing story. His last wife, 'Nancy', was a very interesting person in her own right

[fathertime]

It's not at all reassuring to hear the same excuse this far into the term, and the "it was worse than we thought" line.

I certainly am not going to defend Obozo, but the fact is/was that things were a lot worse then most of the public knew.  I still don’t think most of the public realizes how grave the finances are for our nation.  Obozo should be the actor because he is simply pretending he didn't know the severity of what was happening with the govt. finances, he was enough of an insider to know exactly how grave our situation was.


For Obozo to have righted our financial ship he would have had to pull us out of the 2 wars, instead he hasn’t done that and now we are largely funding a third war in Libya.  Even if he had pulled us out, we still were/are in a deep hole. All those brave hard-working men and women should be helping to better our nation, manufacturing something useful for this world.  There has got to be a better way to deal with terrorists than full scale ground wars, where we wind up rebuilding nations that just get demolished again by terrorists.  The terrorists are beating us each and everyday by wiping us out financially.   


 Obozo spent all his time ramming that arrogant govt-based universal health care which most don’t even support. 
All that stupid crap he did with housing bailouts was money burned for nothing.  Housing is still falling and will continue to fall. 


I would like us to become more isolationist, with sealed borders and REAL workplace enforcement and severe penalties for employers and border jumpers.  We still have many natural resources and have a lot to offer the world. 


One last thing,  Obozo voted against GWB's debt ceiling requests and had spoke arrogantly about how a good leader wouldn't need to raise the debt ceiling. I don't ever recall obozo answering a direct question about that statementwith the press.   So now that the shoe is on the other foot and he wants the debt ceiling raised, he thinks he can ram the ceiling increase and a tax hike.  These talks should be all about how to shrink govt.




Fathertime! 

[Researcher]

       Govt. spending is a huge problem that should be dealt with seperate from raising taxes.The thing is the government is like a raging alcoholic that has yet to even admit it has a problem and is left in charge of solving its own problems.That's kooky because the alcoholic is going to think the solution to his problems is more alcohol.

        The financial meltdown kinda woke people up but everyone has seemed to fell back asleep.We are not out of this mess yet and won't be anytime soon.There needs to be a radical rethinking of our future.The world has changed and the role the US plays needs to change with it.


         Researcher

[robert angel]

I certainly am not going to defend Obozo, but the fact is/was that things were a lot worse then most of the public knew.  I still don’t think most of the public realizes how grave the finances are for our nation.  Obozo should be the actor because he is simply pretending he didn't know the severity of what was happening with the govt. finances, he was enough of an insider to know exactly how grave our situation was.

 
Sometimes I wonder if they REALLY (the politicians) really grasp it, are in denial (as imposible as that sounds) or if they think can manipulate this or that, playing the shell game as they simply print more money or take money from one source and place it another, like a con artist with three cups, playing a 'shell game', where they move the money from one, to under the other and fool people who think the money's "there"...
 
Or maybe they think the sky's the limit, that we can raise the debt ceiling forever, actually higher than the sky-we have a Space Program". They want to go to (back to) Mars now--to  give you an idea of how serious they feel our financial situation REALLY is !

For Obozo to have righted our financial ship he would have had to pull us out of the 2 wars, instead he hasn’t done that and now we are largely funding a third war in Libya.  Even if he had pulled us out, we still were/are in a deep hole. All those brave hard-working men and women should be helping to better our nation, manufacturing something useful for this world.  There has got to be a better way to deal with terrorists than full scale ground wars, where we wind up rebuilding nations that just get demolished again by terrorists.  The terrorists are beating us each and everyday by wiping us out financially.   


 Obozo spent all his time ramming that arrogant govt-based universal health care which most don’t even support. 
All that stupid crap he did with housing bailouts was money burned for nothing.  Housing is still falling and will continue to fall. 


I would like us to become more isolationist, with sealed borders and REAL workplace enforcement and severe penalties for employers and border jumpers.  We still have many natural resources and have a lot to offer the world. 
 
Oh there you go agin, FT--where do you get this stuff?? The only fools I remember who were for things like isolationism, (staying out of foreign wars and affairs) protection of our economy in general, while allowing freedom within, protective tarrifs, firm trade policies and domestic financial restraint (as in being conservative') were other guys (obviously off their rockers too) like George Washington (who knew nothing about international war) and Alexandar Hamilton--who knew nothing about monetary supply!!--(he just wanted his picture on the ten dollar bill) There have been a few others, but they had the right general idea, but went astray a bit--ie  W. Wilson and F.D. Roosevelt,  but not many since!



One last thing,  Obozo voted against GWB's debt ceiling requests and had spoke arrogantly about how a good leader wouldn't need to raise the debt ceiling. I don't ever recall obozo answering a direct question about that statementwith the press.   So now that the shoe is on the other foot and he wants the debt ceiling raised, he thinks he can ram the ceiling increase and a tax hike.  These talks should be all about how to shrink govt.

Again--he's a 'politician'--you expect 'consistency and a grasp of reality?' 'The pooch is screwed and they can't hear us barking!!... Well, we better bark and we might as well get to biting too...


 

[Researcher]

       Well Robert politics aside our government just spends too much money.The more it spends the bigger and more intrusive it gets so I would say the biggest issue is government spending.Oblamer (Obama) is trying to make the Republicans look bad and the Republicans are trying to make Barack "it's not my fault" Obama look bad.They all should take blame in what is going on or better yet take responsibility for this mess.The mindset our government has needs to change.They tax, tax, tax so they can spend, spend, spend.They take in money without earning it and just blow it so they don't care what they do with the taxpayer's money there will always be more next year.That's why our government needs to shrink.

       Researcher