Question or clarification

[chris010]

OK so I have gotten responses to my profile, I do have a question or need input.


In your experiences do ladies who say there separated or divorced really exist in PI since divorce is illegal, how can they be separated or divorced, and would it be advised to steer clear of these ladies?

Question 2, as for children, I have no real issue with a lady that has children as I want them, however how much leagel or potential problem exists as far as custody, visitation etc like here in the U.S.?



As always thank you all for your assistance.



Chris

[robert angel]

Hopefully Ray will answer this and I'm going to save the answer in another file, as I know it'll come up later and searching through the archives takes me forever.

Ray did address the marriage--seperated--divorced Q quite recently and if you click on his name and scroll through his recent posts, you'll get some valuable info for sure--all is not as it seems quite often to non Filipinos, when we look at what they consider their legal status and the reality of what it actually is.

I think bringing Filipino kids over has it's own unique Filipino challenges, but it can sometimes be done, one way or another, but I'm obviously short on specifics there...

Greasing palms with 'gifts and donations' can sometimes go a long way towards getting things done over there--just make sure the paperwork you get in the process hold up to legal scrutiny if challenged.

Of course--once you get them here, 'possession' usually puts everything  90% in your favor

[Jeff S]

I'm pretty sure you're not going to have to deal with visitation. I doubt a deadbeat dad in the PI will have much luck getting a tourist visa. As for joint custody.... We're talking Asia - not Kansas (anymore, Toto.) 

[z_k_g]

OK so I have gotten responses to my profile, I do have a question or need input.


In your experiences do ladies who say there separated or divorced really exist in PI since divorce is illegal, how can they be separated or divorced, and would it be advised to steer clear of these ladies?

Question 2, as for children, I have no real issue with a lady that has children as I want them, however how much leagel or potential problem exists as far as custody, visitation etc like here in the U.S.?

Chris,

You are never going to get out of the starting blocks!!

Simply your life and search, follow the Zulu quick start template--->

-No kids
-No previous marriages
-No Bar Girls
-No girl under 18 for obvious legal reasons!

Everything else is pretty much wide open!! 

Set your age range, country of choice and git er done!!!

Find you a nice woman dude!!

Zulu

[Ray]

In your experiences do ladies who say there separated or divorced really exist in PI since divorce is illegal, how can they be separated or divorced, and would it be advised to steer clear of these ladies?

Question 2, as for children, I have no real issue with a lady that has children as I want them, however how much leagel or potential problem exists as far as custody, visitation etc like here in the U.S.?

Divorce in the PI is not an option. There is legal separation, but very rare.

Once again, I would consider any "divorced/separated" Filipina in the Philippines as still legally married. Forget them and move on unless you are willing to spend big bucks and possibly years clearing their marital status so they can get a visa.

Children can be a big problem if their biological father is still in their lives or wants money to sign off on them. If she was unmarried when the child was born, and no father is listed on the original birth certificate, then the child may not be a problem as far as getting travel clearance from DSWD is concerned.

Ray

[chris010]

Great thank you all for the responses.


Chris

[william3rd]

If you do bring one over with kids, do NOT adopt them. Under any circumstances, do NOT adopt them. That way, even if you get tagged for a green card, you wont get tagged for child support.

[Jhengsman]

Divorce in the PI is not an option. There is legal separation, but very rare.

Once again, I would consider any "divorced/separated" Filipina in the Philippines as still legally married. Forget them and move on unless you are willing to spend big bucks and possibly years clearing their marital status so they can get a visa.

Children can be a big problem if their biological father is still in their lives or wants money to sign off on them. If she was unmarried when the child was born, and no father is listed on the original birth certificate, then the child may not be a problem as far as getting travel clearance from DSWD is concerned.

Ray

There are a couple of exceptions. First if she married a Muslim under Sharia Law(with other tribal laws also recognized) Islamic convert Robin Padilla did a tribal ceremony for his second marriage to Marial Rodriguez before going to India for a second ceremony . Secondly if she divorced in a third country, say an OFW working in Hong Kong gets divorced there then USCIS will accept her as a K-1 candidate as US and not Philippine law will decide.

[Ray]

Yes, I know all about those exceptions and others.

An absent spouse can also be legally declared dead after a number of years so the remaining spouse can legally remarry.

And of course there is legal annulment.

But the point was, for a guy looking at profiles of ladies on dating sites, or making initial contact with a Filipina who lists her status as divorced or separated, I recommend passing on that particular lady and moving on.

For those wishing to flirt with danger and ignore that advice, at least demand full original certified legal documentation to back up her claims of marital status before you waste your time and money on a relationship with a legally married woman.

Ray

[robert angel]

Re:

>>For those wishing to flirt with danger and ignore that advice<<

Geeze Ray--You're bursting lot of bubbles here! Aren't they all flying to "Fantasy Island'?

[Jedironin]

I've seen many profiles from Filipo ladies both in RP and Japan who have kids and say they're separated or divorced...     I'd hate to think they're ALL in a bad situation, so if you're considering one of them, you "may" find one that's all good to go. But as Ray says, "trust, but verify!"   

[piglett]

Yes, I know all about those exceptions and others.
An absent spouse can also be legally declared dead after a number of years so the remaining spouse can legally remarry. And of course there is legal annulment.
But the point was, for a guy looking at profiles of ladies on dating sites, or making initial contact with a Filipina who lists her status as divorced or separated, I recommend passing on that particular lady and moving on.
Ray

How about hiring some "local talent" for some wet work??
how long will you have to do in the crowbar motel if the deal goes down wrong you get caught?
how bad do you really want this woman?
are you willing to do 20 years for her 


pig

[Ray]

I've seen many profiles from Filipo ladies both in RP and Japan who have kids and say they're separated or divorced...     I'd hate to think they're ALL in a bad situation, so if you're considering one of them, you "may" find one that's all good to go. But as Ray says, "trust, but verify!"   

Save yourself a lot of potential heartache and pass over all of those separated/divorced ladies. A legal separation, just like an informal separation, means still legally married and cannot marry again.

“Filipino divorce” means one of the partners, usually the husband, simply walked out and made another life with someone else (shack-up).

And my advice is to pass on ALL Filipina ladies living in Japan. They do hire Filipina housekeepers and nannies in Hong Kong, Malaysia, and the Gulf States, etc., but if they are working in Japan, WATCH OUT!

Ray

[robert angel]

OK Ray, Now that you've successfully demonstrated what a "Divorce" in the Philippines almost always means:


>>“Filipino divorce” means one of the partners, usually the husband, simply walked out and made another life with someone else (shack-up).<<


Can you define what a monetary loan from an American to a Filipino usually means? From what I see, a lot gets lost in translation between there and here..

[Ray]

Can you define what a monetary loan from an American to a Filipino usually means?

Monetary "loan" (from anyone) to a Filipino = gift

Ray

[z_k_g]

Monetary "loan" (from anyone) to a Filipno = gift

Ray

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Zulu

[robert angel]

Re:

>>Can you define what a monetary loan from an American to a Filipino usually means?<<

                                  &

>>Monetary "loan" (from anyone) to a Filipino = gift

Ray<<

All you guys thinking about marrying a Filipina better get wise to above--'learn it, live it love it'.

It'd also be wise to know beforehand and to remember that it's pretty much a fact, that when they say "You marry a Filipina, you marry the family too" that it's very real, very true and don't think you're going to change that too much. She will be sending home any extra money, crumbs of bread, gifts, whatever she can, to help her family into a better, healthier and happier situation.

While my wife's never really put it into these words, I think she feels it's her God given obligation to return what they've given to her, for how they helped to mold her into the person she's become and whether it makes sense to you or not, into the better circumstances she may have come to experience as a result.

I guess it's pretty 'karmic' in a way.

There are few nice things that my wife experiences without her also thinking how nice her family would also find it, although it's usually impossible for them to do so. It's kind of a love bond--guilt--happiness equation.

[z_k_g]

Your court a pinay, you court the mother and the sisters, they all are involved.

When you marry a pinay, you marry the family!

Zulu

[piglett]

Monetary "loan" (from anyone) to a Filipino = gift

Ray

Isn't that the truth
i had a request for a "loan" this week from 1 of Marily's cousins
Marily is living with 6 or 7 of her cousins 1 of her aunts in a good sized apartment in manila.
it seems that her cousin Bernie's wallet went missing a few days ago.
he had about p12,000 in it ( i guess he doesn't know about banks)
Barnie doesn't get paid until the 15TH & he thought it would be just great if "I" were to loan him some cash until her gets paid. Marily flat out told him NO before i even heard of the situation.
I had to send Marily some cash so she could buy some sort of book that she needed for school so i included an extra p500 & instructed her to buy the bigest bag of rice that she could find & give it to him.
I also said "DON'T GIVE HIM ANY MONEY!!!!" she said OK & thank you & that was the last i heard of it.


pig 

[Bob_S]

A son's a son till he finds a wife,
but a daughter's a daughter all of her life.




Is there a culture where that does not apply?

[Bill_McC]

Sons are always sons too, but I do understand what you mean. I have two sons and a daughter and there is just something about daddy's little girl that never goes away.

Bill

[Dave H]

Once again, I would consider any "divorced/separated" Filipina in the Philippines as still legally married. Forget them and move on unless you are willing to spend big bucks and possibly years clearing their marital status so they can get a visa.

Children can be a big problem if their biological father is still in their lives or wants money to sign off on them. If she was unmarried when the child was born, and no father is listed on the original birth certificate, then the child may not be a problem as far as getting travel clearance from DSWD is concerned.

Ray

I must know of a dozen Kanos (foreigners) who are currently in one or both of those situations! I would consider only single ladies or widows... then ask to see the "Death Certificate." If she has adult children, they will probably all want to live off of you and not work!

The former girlfriend of one of my few Kano friends here recently obtained an annulment after 2 years and paying around paying $6000. There are no guarantees! They recently married but she is "unwilling" to go to the US....because she has two children from her first marriage. The former husband is demanding a million pisos (over $20,000) and the Kano husband has shot his entire wad on the annulment and living in the US and Philippines.

Last year, one of our Filipina friends married an Australian. She was never married to the Filipino biological father of her son, but his name is on the birth certificate. He and his family (quite wealthy) have had nothing to do with the boy since birth. The Filipino father has his price and would gladly accept the money since he is a shabu addict, but his mommy (lola) will not let him! Thus, the our Filipina friend and son still live here in the Philippines and the Australian husband has to visit here.

LISTEN TO WHAT IS BEING POSTED HERE!!!...or pay the price later!

Dave

[Dave H]

There are a couple of exceptions. First if she married a Muslim under Sharia Law(with other tribal laws also recognized) Islamic convert Robin Padilla did a tribal ceremony for his second marriage to Marial Rodriguez before going to India for a second ceremony . Secondly if she divorced in a third country, say an OFW working in Hong Kong gets divorced there then USCIS will accept her as a K-1 candidate as US and not Philippine law will decide.

Many Muslims are upset since the couple had a sacrificed pig's blood smeared on their faces during Igorot wedding ceremony. Of course Robin is only a Muslim for the many conveniences it provides in the Philippines...early release from prison, multiple marriages... Personally, I am impressed with his ability to tolerate Mariel Rodriguez  annoying voice for more than 2 minutes! If only she didn't speak! 

Dave

[Dave H]

I've seen many profiles from Filipo ladies both in RP and Japan who have kids and say they're separated or divorced...     I'd hate to think they're ALL in a bad situation, so if you're considering one of them, you "may" find one that's all good to go. But as Ray says, "trust, but verify!"   

Hey Jedironin,

BELIEVE IT! MOST ARE! I know MANY chatting with naive foreigners on the Internet and feeding them BS! With time and experience you will discover this.

Dave

[Dave H]

And my advice is to pass on ALL Filipina ladies living in Japan. They do hire Filipina housekeepers and nannies in Hong Kong, Malaysia, and the Gulf States, etc., but if they are working in Japan, WATCH OUT!

Ray

I know a number of ladies who currently work or used to work in Japan as "entertainers"...

WATCH OUT!