give your girlfriend a computer, find out whats going on. well hum maybe not

[mudd]

not saying i approve or condone this sort of thing,and I'm pretty sure it violates some privacy law, but you will find out pretty fast if somebody is not being honest or playing around while your out of town, if you have a reason to believe something isnt right.

recently, friend in Medellin had some doubts about some stories or excuses his paisa novia was feeding him, so he decided  to buy her a cheap used laptop computer for her to use.  in doing so, he installed  program in it, to see what she was writing and to whom. turns out  that she was working another gringo from amolatina and another one from cupid. neither one had any idea that all 3 were talking to her and the one from cupid sent her some $$$ for a plane ticket, to travel to cartagena, and of course she never went and pocketed the money.

now, you got to wonder, how long did they know this girl?? the other 2,no idea, i don't think very long,

so, my friend plays it cool, doesn't say anything for a bout a week. meets her at her house, tells her that he has to take the computer to the store where he bought it, so they can  install  a program for warranty work or some bullkrap excuse.

the next day, he emails the 2 other guys, gives them the story and tells her not to call him again.

in all fairness, my friend was spending alot of $$$ on the girl, basically buying her and the age difference was pretty big, so what does he expect? i blame him as much as her.

[z_k_g]

He is a jerk.

Zulu

[Researcher]

   Hey Zulu, I don't think I would have done the same as this guy but as they say "all's fair in love and war"....


  Reseacher

[z_k_g]

   Hey Zulu, I don't think I would have done the same as this guy but as they say "all's fair in love and war"....


  Reseaecher

My rule is this:  If you suspect, then leave!  Half the world is women!  Why deal with all the drama of emailing some random dumb sh*ts and spying on the babe to gather info?

Just weird and useless!!   

He is in a freaking Candy Store and he is splitting hairs about a lemon drop? 

Come on!!

Zulu

[Researcher]

My rule is this:  If you suspect, then leave!  Half the world is women!  Why deal with all the drama of emailing some random dumb sh*ts and spying on the babe to gather info?

Just weird and useless!!   

He is in a freaking Candy Store and he is splitting hairs about a lemon drop? 

Come on!!

Zulu

     Zulu I can see that you "get it" unfortunately alot of guys don't.Myself? I have kicked women to the curb for reasons that alot of guys would consider to be insignificant but,IMO, once you understand your options you can be picky.

  Researcher

[JimD]

The reason this goes on is there are so many gringos who send money to girls in Colombia who they´ve never met in person. I can´t imagine why they do but there must some vicarious satisfaction. They must feel they have at least a little bit of a "relationship". A Colombian man would never ever do such a thing. Anyway this is now huge in Cali and most good looking young girls I´ve met "fish" sites like Colombian Cupid on a regular basis...and do pretty well.

[mudd]

JimD

Anyway this is now huge in Cali and most good looking young girls I´ve met "fish" sites like Colombian Cupid on a regular basis...and do pretty well.

you should see it in Medellin, i actually saw an internet cafe in Medellin, that a gringo owned with his paisa girlfriend who hired girls to work foreigners on many websites, colombian cupid, latin cupid, match ect. i thought my fried was pulling my leg until she took me there and i looked in and saw it myself. figure every girl is working 10 to 20 guys, so if they have a 25% success rate, its good money for them.

[ignorante]

Why deal with all the drama of emailing some random dumb sh*ts

  I bet the random dumb sh*ts appreciated the heads up.  Time is money.

[Jedironin]

Mudd- did those girls actually get much of the money? I could think of a few "less than savory" descriptions for them, but if they are also making a decent wage from it, well, I guess it's just another job, right?

[z_k_g]

  I bet the random dumb sh*ts appreciated the heads up.  Time is money.

Sure....and that same dummy was fleeced by the next Latina Hottie that came along! 

So it was just a wasted effort IMHO.

Once you realize that some men are just sheep waiting to be fleeced and slaughtered you don't spend your time trying to save them a few bucks with your "warnings". 

As soon after you warn them, the will be purchasing "boom-boom" from the next ST or LT hooker they find anyways or Western Union their cash to some webcam babe!

Zulu

[Bob_S]

Mudd- did those girls actually get much of the money? I could think of a few "less than savory" descriptions for them, but if they are also making a decent wage from it, well, I guess it's just another job, right?

It's an important job, at that.  If "a fool and his money are soon parted" can be taken as a truism, these dear girls are serving an important societal function by making sure these guys don't have enough money left to get into any kind of serious trouble. 

[CeeTeeEnn]

Oh dear! I figured it would only be a matter of time before a topic of this nature reared its head on P-L. Thank you for raising it here, Mudd.

Firstly, I think this guy should be congratulated and praised for what he did - for being both smart and also calm and dignified in his conduct. While I might question his commitment to dating this young Paisa when also knowing that she was still listed on other dating sites (or else choosing to ignore this not insignificant fact) I can say unreservedly that I would not hesitate to do the same. None of what he did was rocket science. Keylogging programs (the software I assume was used in this case) are nothing new. Some are available for free, some can bypass detection by certain PC security packages and others can even offer remote access (thus removing the need for him to take the laptop away for analysis.) There are plenty of other forensic measures easily available that can be used in such situations (i won't go into these here but can do if requested.) And whilst I am not a legal expert on these matters (P-L members please step in here and correct me if you deem it necessary) I suspect he went a long way towards covering his backside by giving her the laptop as a "Trojan" gift as opposed to installing such software on a piece of equipment owned by her and without her consent.

Secondly, while I admit to lambasting the intellectual vacuousness of so many latinas numerous times in my postings here, I'm glad to see a story of how a woman's own stupidity has been turned against her. I find it amazing and pathetic in equal measure that this girl accepted the laptop and used it in such a risky undertaking without even suspecting as to what really might have been happening; I'd have given her a point for effort had she refused to hand the laptop over to him. Once again, we may thank our lucky stars that the vast majority of female scam artists are still dumb and reckless when it comes to plying their trade, and that our diligence can still expose them. We should also remember that there are players out there who are way more sophisticated and capable than this young girl, and it is they whom we should be increasingly concerned about.

It may be easy for some readers to condemn the guy for having breached his gf's privacy. However, consider this from his point of view. Assume he was an honest gringo looking for lurve in Colombia and not just another sex tourist (I realise this is a massive assumption based on the limited background information to this story.) If things had worked out between him and the Paisa, it would have been his call to jump though countless hoops and pay numerous expenses to bring her into his country. This represents a huge investment on his part, accross the board. It is against the this background, and the horror stories posted here on P-L concerning guys who brought Colombianas to their countries only to have them run out after a few months or to catch them hooking up with other guys, that prompts me to approve of his actions unreservedly; for the price of a used laptop he saved himself a whole heap of trouble. And the fact there was a large age difference etc. is ultimately irrelevant. If the girl was uncomfortable with this she should have behaved like a lady and been straight with him, at the very least by refusing to accept the gift of his "Tainted Toshiba".

Finally, it is also sad and pathetic that so many guys are STILL sending money to scam artists the world over, despite the efforts of so many websites and forum postings. It is perhaps proof of the old adage that there's no cure for stupidity, or maybe evidence of some new sense of misplaced altruism where guys prefer to send money to scam artists instead of the starving and dispossesed in Africa or Pakistan. Nonetheless, I don't think this flaw in the collective male psyche will disappear anytime soon, and as long as it exists there will be countless parties working to exploit it - be it scamming girls, questionable cafe owners or larger organisations. Against this unsavoury background, we honest gringos owe it to ourselves to use every means at our disposal to ensure we do not fall prey to any one of the sharks out there trying to screw us. I argue that such an approach is needed especially in Colombia - a country described by many as a "candy store" but increasingly looking like a candy store where half the lemon sherbets are poisoned with arsenic, most of the M&M packs have been opened and half-eaten, the once legendary toffee apples are sold out and are no longer made, and the finest lemon drops are locked in a cupboard marked "not for sale"!

[JimD]

Mudd Maybe I misunderstood but why on earth would girls "work" for somebody else and get only a cut? Makes no sense at all when they can just as easily get it all for themselves...

(Not directed to Mudd but general) As to "oversight" how about a "fixed" cel phone for your girl?

[z_k_g]

CeeTeeEnn,

There is nothing wrong with investigating a woman that has exchanged vows and you have a legitimate legal entaglement that her actions would deem a surreptitious investigation to assuage your fear or verify her villainy.

But... this guy is just hunting for babes and has absolutely no justification for this type of stalking behavior. 

Its unjustified, sickening, perverted and unnecessary!

Just go get another babe, there must be kazillions in Colombia, Jezus H Christ!!

He is a Class A Jerk.

Zulu

[utopiacowboy]

JimD
you should see it in Medellin, i actually saw an internet cafe in Medellin, that a gringo owned with his paisa girlfriend who hired girls to work foreigners on many websites, colombian cupid, latin cupid, match ect. i thought my fried was pulling my leg until she took me there and i looked in and saw it myself. figure every girl is working 10 to 20 guys, so if they have a 25% success rate, its good money for them.

You gotta love those enterprising paisas.

[JimD]

in all fairness, my friend was spending alot of $$$ on the girl, basically buying her and the age difference was pretty big, so what does he expect?

Mudd you can´t buy a colombiana. The best you can hope for is a long term lease.

[robert angel]

Sooner or later--'it all comes out in the wash'

[Researcher]

Sooner or later--'it all comes out in the wash'

  Very true, and the best you can do is try not to get "soaked"!


   Researcher

[CeeTeeEnn]

I beg to differ with you Z_K_G.

I drew my conclusions in this case based on the assumption that the guy was serious about this girl, and i reached this assumption based on the fact that Mudd described her as his "novia" or girlfriend. In my books this implies a committed one-to-one relationship. Admittedly, there are many differing ideas out there as to what criteria constitute a viable basis for a committed relationship, and indeed what constitutes a serious relationship in the first place, but if he had serious intents with regard to this girl then i believe he was perfectly entitled to check her out as he deemed fit.

The fact that there were no vows exchanged between them doesn't alter the fact that if he considered her his gf then he should be entitled to expect her fidelity in return for his committment. Of course he could have just moved on and gotten himself another babe, but I suspect that if he went to such lengths to investigate her in the first place then he must have had serious designs on her. I suspect his heart was in the right place even if his "game" was deficient on account of his belief that showering her with gifts would win her heart. I stand my defence of this guy because if I was faced with a similar situation I would take similar or more sophisticed measures.

Nevertheless, my "game" maybe differs somewhat from that of this guy. If I was dating a girl and we both agreed to make it serious, within 24 hours of our agreement I would expect her Facebook (and every other site) profile to reflect this. I would also expect her profile to disappear from any dating sites or agency lists (or to have her profile updated with a "no longer available" tag.) If this were NOT to happen without a good excuse, then i'd have an adequate reason to move on and look elsewhere without the need to buy her a "dodgy laptop".

[fathertime]

well it seems that they were both just using each other.  if the man was dating a gal totally out of his league and can't see the signs for himself, then i guess he has to resort to these sort of tactics.  but it should be obvious or at least somewhat obvious, shouldn't it?
i think it is fine that he tattled on her and saved those other dodo's some money, they are probably a little farther removed from the situation and green and just don't know better.

as for the gal, if she chooses to prostitute herself that way, i feel sorry for her that she feels this is her best option in living life.

Fathertime!

[CROW]

not saying i approve or condone this sort of thing,and I'm pretty sure it violates some privacy law, but you will find out pretty fast if somebody is not being honest or playing around while your out of town, if you have a reason to believe something isnt right.

recently, friend in Medellin had some doubts about some stories or excuses his paisa novia was feeding him, so he decided  to buy her a cheap used laptop computer for her to use.  in doing so, he installed  program in it, to see what she was writing and to whom. turns out  that she was working another gringo from amolatina and another one from cupid. neither one had any idea that all 3 were talking to her and the one from cupid sent her some $$$ for a plane ticket, to travel to cartagena, and of course she never went and pocketed the money.

now, you got to wonder, how long did they know this girl?? the other 2,no idea, i don't think very long,

so, my friend plays it cool, doesn't say anything for a bout a week. meets her at her house, tells her that he has to take the computer to the store where he bought it, so they can  install  a program for warranty work or some bullkrap excuse.

the next day, he emails the 2 other guys, gives them the story and tells her not to call him again.

in all fairness, my friend was spending alot of $$$ on the girl, basically buying her and the age difference was pretty big, so what does he expect? i blame him as much as her.

Hmmmm...interesting story.....I have never seen a guy go out of his way to prove to himself that he is a fool. LOL!!!

I have programs on all my business computers in the studio that record all email and chat sessions. I don't allow my girls to scam guys....I think paying 3 to 5 bucks a min to see
a girl naked is a big enough scam. LOL!!!

If I see girls telling guys to send them money to their private accounts or via western union or something they are fired immediately.

I know a colombiano in the biz that had guys showing up at his studio because the girls gave out his business address to the guys they were scamming. He had real problems with one guy that threated to commit suicide after he realized the model didn't want to see him let alone marry him. jajaja!!

[fathertime]

I beg to differ with you Z_K_G.

I drew my conclusions in this case based on the assumption that the guy was serious about this girl, and i reached this assumption based on the fact that Mudd described her as his "novia" or girlfriend. In my books this implies a committed one-to-one relationship. Admittedly, there are many differing ideas out there as to what criteria constitute a viable basis for a committed relationship, and indeed what constitutes a serious relationship in the first place, but if he had serious intents with regard to this girl then i believe he was perfectly entitled to check her out as he deemed fit.

The fact that there were no vows exchanged between them doesn't alter the fact that if he considered her his gf then he should be entitled to expect her fidelity in return for his committment. Of course he could have just moved on and gotten himself another babe, but I suspect that if he went to such lengths to investigate her in the first place then he must have had serious designs on her. I suspect his heart was in the right place even if his "game" was deficient on account of his belief that showering her with gifts would win her heart. I stand my defence of this guy because if I was faced with a similar situation I would take similar or more sophisticed measures.

Nevertheless, my "game" maybe differs somewhat from that of this guy. If I was dating a girl and we both agreed to make it serious, within 24 hours of our agreement I would expect her Facebook (and every other site) profile to reflect this. I would also expect her profile to disappear from any dating sites or agency lists (or to have her profile updated with a "no longer available" tag.) If this were NOT to happen without a good excuse, then i'd have an adequate reason to move on and look elsewhere without the need to buy her a "dodgy laptop".

hey camteeenn,
for the most part his 'heart' might have been in the right place, but really a full grown man has to have better judgement.  if this gal was smoking hot and he looks in the mirror notices that he was wrinkled, old, and completely out of her league, he should be able to realize this and either move on willingly or accept the situation.    We don't really know all the details, so I'm only speculating, but there are some REAL unrealistic men that travel to Colombia, and he sounds like one of them.   All that being said, I don't have a problem with what he did, my argument is he should not have needed to do it, he should have been able to read the situation without taking the measures he did.  i don't view him the same way zulu does either, i don't know that he was a jerk, just a foolish old man.

Fathertime!

[mudd]

JimD

Mudd Maybe I misunderstood but why on earth would girls "work" for somebody else and get only a cut? Makes no sense at all when they can just as easily get it all for themselves...

(Not directed to Mudd but general) As to "oversight" how about a "fixed" cel phone for your girl?

well,you have to remember, a lot of girls don't have internet access, let alone a computer, and this cafe was in a poor area of Medellin, maybe strata 2 level. and from what i was told by my friend, its easy work, any girl can do it. why work your butt off for 10 hours  a day for $ 15,000 pesos when you can work  for 4 hours for $ 20,000 pesos working clueless foreigners who have money to blow.

the computer was pretty old that my friend used, basic and not worth a lot, and you will find out more with a computer than a cell phone.

[utopiacowboy]

JimD  

well,you have to remember, a lot of girls don't have internet access, let alone a computer, and this cafe was in a poor area of Medellin, maybe strata 2 level. and from what i was told by my friend, its easy work, any girl can do it. why work your butt off for 10 hours  a day for $ 15,000 pesos when you can work  for 4 hours for $ 20,000 pesos working clueless foreigners who have money to blow.

the computer was pretty old that my friend used, basic and not worth a lot, and you will find out more with a computer than a cell phone.

They are also getting into the web cam sex business as well. There is an interesting Colombian site called guiacereza that has articles about the Medellin sex trade, swinger clubs etc. Worth perusing if you can read Spanish.

[CROW]

They are also getting into the web cam sex business as well. There is an interesting Colombian site called guiacereza that has articles about the Medellin sex trade, swinger clubs etc. Worth perusing if you can read Spanish.

Without a doubt Medellin has become the sex chat capital of latin america.
It always amazed me the way that Colombianas have taken over on social networking and dating sites and now the Paisas have taken the lead in in becoming cam girls.