Any advice on where to try next?

[braziliangirl]

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Here's one of those harsh facts of life you gotta learn sometime:
Just because a "10" comes from a 3rd World country does not mean she is suddenly in your league.  A girl who's a 10 will only respect and stay with a guy she regards as a 10.  Do you think you can bag a 10 just because she is poorer than you?  That kind of colonialist thinking will explode in your face sooner or later (and better sooner than later, let me tell you  ).  I'm not admitting to speaking from experience, but I do have a T-shirt to sell you. 

If you've already learned the language and are determined to stick it out there, go with IV's advice and consider a shy 7 who would better match you.  If not, shift to Asia where even shy guys can morph into popular Charisma-men.  But even there, the same rules apply: big busted girls know they are hot, desired, and in demand and will walk all over a nice guy.  Heck, find a shy 5 who treats you like a king and suddenly you will see her as a 9 or 10.  That's another one of those little life lessons you gotta learn.
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As a girl that comes from the 3rd World country (and now none of you guys can say you have more experience on that than me. Ha!  ), I totally agree with Bob. I would say that if a girl that is "out of your league" suddenly shows interest, question, my friend... She can be looking for money or a visa or something else. That kind of colonialist thinking, as Bob said, is bad for any kind of relationship, business or love. I'm not saying that it can never happen, but be careful.

I'll tell you a little story. A girl I used to work with met a guy from Sweden on the internet. She was, let's say an 8, poor, 1 kid. He, at best a 5. I hate to use this kind of score, but it's is just for you to understand better. The guy comes here, meets the family, hates the place, disrespects the culture. It's all too hot/poor/disorganized for him. A couple of months later, he sends her a ticket. They meet in Paris and take a tour throughout Europe. She uploaded pictures to Orkut everyday. The kind of trip that every girl here would dream about. I find that so weird because she told us she didn't like him and the fact that he didn't show any appreciation for her culture and place, but I'm happy for her anyway. Maybe they get past their issues...

Suddenly the pictures at Orkut change. It is her in London with another guy. Then in Brasília with a 3rd guy. When she comes back she tells us why, when it got the time to go the not-so-sexy Sweden, where his family was waiting to meet her, she says she is missing home and comes back. Not without making those two stops.

And guess what? Last week she posted pictures of him in Brazil again...

Is that what you guys here want? I don't believe she is only an exception.

[JimD]

Wow! I had no idea it was so easy for a poor Brazilian girl to get a visa to travel to Europe (Sweden or whereever). Colombianas would be green with envy.

[braziliangirl]

Wow! I had no idea it was so easy for a poor Brazilian girl to get a visa to travel to Europe (Sweden or whereever). Colombianas would be green with envy.

We don't need visas to go to Europe.

[z_k_g]

We don't need visas to go to Europe.

Guys, I hate to inform you of this but....

Not everyone in the world wants to come to the US or Europe and stay!!

Visas are mainly used for countries that need the $$$ or euros for tourist revenue, or are used to regulate and limit the tourists that overstay and remain illegally!

Most Brazilians love Brazil!!  Europe and the US is just a vacation spot, school or they visit relatives!!

Colombia on the other hand......well......just read the news!!

Zulu

[Jason1]

  I don't believe in the system of ranking by numbers.If what has been said is true then if  7 marries a 7 the they should live happily ever after.There is more to it than that and the girl braziliangirl mentioned is just plain shallow.The guy is much better off without her.

[braziliangirl]

  I don't believe in the system of ranking by numbers.If what has been said is true then if  7 marries a 7 the they should live happily ever after.There is more to it than that and the girl braziliangirl mentioned is just plain shallow.The guy is much better off without her.

I don't believe in that either. I wish it was that easy. But the rule, at least here in Brazil, is: if a very pretty girl is dating a dorky gringo, there might be a hidden agenda. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule.

By the way, the guy would be better off, if he wasn't in Brazil with her again right now.

[Henry]

Brazilian guys on other boards issue stern warnings to American men not to marry Brazilian women for these reasons posted above.

[fathertime]

I don't believe in that either. I wish it was that easy. But the rule, at least here in Brazil, is: if a very pretty girl is dating a dorky gringo, there might be a hidden agenda. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule.

By the way, the guy would be better off, if he wasn't in Brazil with her again right now.

Their is a chance the Swedish man is clueless, or it is possible he is feigning cluelessness and just wants a woman on a temporary basis.  He should have been able to read the body language and the clear signals that something was amiss when the gal did not want to meet his family.  

Does he even realize that she traveled to various other places with other men after their little European tour together?

There are a certain percentage of men that are very slow to understand how to interact with a woman.  It is best for these men to undergo a few failed relationships and hopefully learn the lessons, and when the right woman comes along and the man has already learned his lessons, he will be better able to be a good spouse and know how and when to work together to set reasonable boundaries for himself and his spouse.  Obviously even then there are no guarantees, but a man increasing his odds is a smart thing to shoot for.

Fathertime!

[z_k_g]

  I don't believe in the system of ranking by numbers.If what has been said is true then if  7 marries a 7 the they should live happily ever after.There is more to it than that and the girl braziliangirl mentioned is just plain shallow.The guy is much better off without her.

Agreed, its pretty damn stupid to live in a movie!  (Bo Derek in 10)

Zulu

[Dave H]

But the rule, at least here in Brazil, is: if a very pretty girl is dating a dorky gringo, there might be a hidden agenda.

Hi braziliangirl,

I think the rule in the Philippines is, if you are a "dorky looking" kano (gringo) you still look like a movie star!   In the US I have been told that I look like Fester Addams. In the Philippines it is always Kevin Costner or Bruce Willis...lately I am even getting Dr. House.  All of us white guys seem look the same to them. African American guys look like Michael Jordan or Denzel Washington. I am sure glad that I don't have to prove my skills on the basketball court like some of my friends! God, I love the Philippines...I am so friggin' gwapo (guapo)! I am just glad that I didn't have to compete with fathertime, my evil twin.   You have a very attractive wife father!

Dave AKA "Dr. Bruce Costner" and "El Gwapo" (El Guapo)

Uncle Fester


Kevin Costner


Bruce Willis


Dr. House

[Researcher]

     A relationship based mostly on looks probably has a high chance to fail anyway.There is always someone out there that is better looking and has more money that can come along.The bigger getter deal as it is called.So whatever it is that one "brings to the table" in this respect doesn't matter as much as say compatability.


   Researcher

[z_k_g]

     A relationship based mostly on looks probably has a high chance to fail anyway.There is always someone out there that is better looking and has more money that can come along.The bigger getter deal as it is called.So whatever it is that one "brings to the table" in this respect doesn't matter as much as say compatability.


   Researcher

Preach bro!

My when I was getting passed over by the cheer leaders in HS for the guys with cars and clothes, my mom told me

"Son there are always guys with bigger cars, more money, better looks and a family name, find a girl that wants you for you and no matter how she looks she will not even notice them and they will NEVER take her from you!"

My mom is pretty cool I think.

Zulu

[braziliangirl]

Does he even realize that she traveled to various other places with other men after their little European tour together?

I don't think so. But just that fact that she left his family waiting may have been enough for him to know she wasn't that nice...

I really like your new picture! You have a very beautiful wife

[mudd]

try peru, nice girls, some agencies there also

[play2win]

try peru, nice girls, some agencies there also

mudd what about Argentina?

[Gato4Astrid]

mudd what about south pole?

[Bob_S]

mudd what about south pole?

You mean like her and her (both of whom were from the South Pole)? 

[InnocentVixen]

I think the rule in the Philippines is, if you are a "dorky looking" kano (gringo) you still look like a movie star!   In the US I have been told that I look like Fester Addams. In the Philippines it is always Kevin Costner or Bruce Willis...lately I am even getting Dr. House.  All of us white guys seem look the same to them. African American guys look like Michael Jordan or Denzel Washington.

It is funny you mention this Dave, but you are so right, when someone is in a place where they stand out, even if he/she is not the most handsome or pretty suddenly have that hot exotic look, it can act against you though.

[robert angel]

Going out on a limb here, but I'd venture to say that a lot of Brazilians are like Italians in how they value beauty from all nationalities, more equally than do a lot of other nations.

I think a lot of Italians and Brazilians just place a higher priority on physical beauty/ handsomeness, especially youthful and looking people, regardless of whether they're local or from distant places. I'll bet they have more plastic surgeons per capita in middle and upper class areas than most nations. They're also a pretty passionate, erotic bunch, from what I gather.

[JimD]

Once in Santo Domingo there were two elderly Italian gentemen (65+ my guess) in the adjacent room in my hotel. They balled 15 and 16 year old black girls about every night. How do I know? I met some of them at the door leaving in the morning. Yup them Eyetalians is a passionate, erotic bunch.

[Jason1]

I don't believe in that either. I wish it was that easy. But the rule, at least here in Brazil, is: if a very pretty girl is dating a dorky gringo, there might be a hidden agenda. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule.

By the way, the guy would be better off, if he wasn't in Brazil with her again right now.

   

    There are many exceptions to the rule.I don't know about Brazil but in Colombia you see many hot women with Colombian guys that look like frogs.The concept of attractive couple = happy couple mostly exists in Hollywood and people's imaginations.Look no further than this forum and you see many guys with women who should be considered out of their league.

[Gato4Astrid]

Once in Santo Domingo there were two elderly Italian gentemen (65+ my guess) in the adjacent room in my hotel. They balled 15 and 16 year old black girls about every night. How do I know? I met some of them at the door leaving in the morning. Yup them Eyetalians is a passionate, erotic bunch.

They are perverts

[Dave H]

It is funny you mention this Dave, but you are so right, when someone is in a place where they stand out, even if he/she is not the most handsome or pretty suddenly have that hot exotic look, it can act against you though.

Hey InnocentVixen,

I tell my wife all the time that it doesn't matter what you look like in the Philippines, if you have blue or green eyes, you are gwapo (guapo)!  I also found it true in South Florida, where I lived predominantly among people from the Caribbean, Central and South American. Not many North Americans (American, Mexican, or Canadian) in my area.

Dave

[z_k_g]

Once in Santo Domingo there were two elderly Italian gentemen (65+ my guess) in the adjacent room in my hotel. They balled 15 and 16 year old black girls about every night. How do I know? I met some of them at the door leaving in the morning. Yup them Eyetalians is a passionate, erotic bunch.

They are perverts

Elvis was screwing Priscilla Lisa Marie when she was 15.  He put her in private school and married her when she got to 18.

Of course this was in 1965 and that was ok 45 years ago, it wasn't a big deal?  

Zulu

[robert angel]

Don't forget, Elvis was "The King", it was 1965 and at that time, they didn't dwell on that kind--or many other behaviors, in the media. Plus Elvis had his manager and mooch, 'the Colonel' running his whole life. Jerry Lee Lewis didn't even have any discretion and had to go to England for his early teenage wife, who was also his cousin, for it become a big deal. Prior to that, Eisenhower and Kennedy had extra marital affairs and they were basically ignored in the media.

In some ways, we're much more curious. While porn is a mega billion dollar industry here and abroad, when it come to scrutinizing every body's private and public life--including every day working people losing their jobs over 'affairs' (facebook expose's, etc) it's like a new Victorian era we're in.