Fear of Americanization

[Henry]

Some of us may be in denial. This question is not for those in the "denial group." Many of us who married foreign women intentionally, did so because we were/are sick of what has become of AWs (the kind of people they are and how they treat men, marriage, etc).

For those of you who married Asian women in particular, have you noticed any "Americanization" (as in turning into a typical American witch) during the course of your current marriage or previous marriages to foreign women?

If anyone doesnt want to answer publicly, I am open to receiving PMs.

Thank you for any responses.

[Ray]

No & No

[Jeff S]

Me too - No and no.

[Bob_S]

For those of you who married Asian women in particular, have you noticed any "Americanization" (as in turning into a typical American witch) during the course of your current marriage or previous marriages to foreign women?

Not to my current wife.  Though when we married, she was already a grown-up adult woman with a fully developed sense of herself.

[bcc_1_2]

I fear the deer. That's about it.

Your definition for "Americanization"... as in turning into a typical American witch... might not get you the answers you are looking for.

Fact is that these adult women (for the most part) guys are bringing back to the States (or western europe, etc) do in fact assimilate. Just as one example has your wife's english improved since her arrival? Does she use new slang words (my girl sure does)?

Americanization can be a very good thing. Our culture is vastly superior to say the middle east for example. You don't read about little girls walking to school and having acid poured on them. To sum it up Americanization isn't always a bad thing and women that move to the United States will assimilate... hopefully not into a witch. That wouldn't be good.  

[Jeff S]

Well obviously he's not talking about continuing to have them pound clothes on a rock in the river, but rather about attitude toward men. Are they going to turn into a ball busting feminist who looks at men as broken women who can be fixed only if they are just nagged often and loud enough?

My experience and what I think many others are saying here, is that mature foreign women have their attitudes about their roles in the family and relationships essentially forged, and hearing some yentas gossiping at a party isn't going to cause them to rethink their positions.

That essential difference that most of us are looking for, is that in the USA, the last generation of women has been force fed that men and women are interchangeable. Any woman can bring home the bacon as well as any man and any man can change diapers and comfort a baby as well as any woman. Most foreign women understand the men and women are different - not one superior to the other, but equal and opposite. Each brings different talents and hard-wired skills, instincts and capabilities to the relationship. These fill the gaps in the other to make the team far more robust and successful than either alone. This evolutionarily created single unit of two is conveniently ignored by modern AW who'd rather stroke their own egos by parroting such things as Gloria Steinem bit of drivel, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

[Dave H]

For those of you who married Asian women in particular, have you noticed any "Americanization" (as in turning into a typical American witch) during the course of your current marriage or previous marriages to foreign women?

No and Yes...But never a witch! My wife is still the caring, concerned, loving lady that I married. But after living in America for a number of years, she no longer tolerates smoke (cigarettes and trash burning), rude people with bad manners, and bad drivers!

Dave

[Henry]

Well obviously he's not talking about continuing to have them pound clothes on a rock in the river, but rather about attitude toward men. Are they going to turn into a ball busting feminist who looks at men as broken women who can be fixed only if they are just nagged often and loud enough?

My experience and what I think many others are saying here, is that mature foreign women have their attitudes about their roles in the family and relationships essentially forged, and hearing some yentas gossiping at a party isn't going to cause them to rethink their positions.

That essential difference that most of us are looking for, is that in the USA, the last generation of women has been force fed that men and women are interchangeable. Any woman can bring home the bacon as well as any man and any man can change diapers and comfort a baby as well as any woman. Most foreign women understand the men and women are different - not one superior to the other, but equal and opposite. Each brings different talents and hard-wired skills, instincts and capabilities to the relationship. These fill the gaps in the other to make the team far more robust and successful than either alone. This evolutionarily created single unit of two is conveniently ignored by modern AW who'd rather stroke their own egos by parroting such things as Gloria Steinem bit of drivel, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

Exactly, and as Zulukong would say, any woman who subscribes to the Gloria Steinem school of thought is not fit for marriage.

[z_k_g]

My stomach is turning.

I'll make it plain what I mean by Americanization-

1. Allowing the neighborhood bitches to dictate what goes on in your house
2. Ballbusting, nagging, complaining, sucking you dry then asking you what the f-ck are u doing resting on the couch all Saturday afternoon after a hard week of work when there are clothes to be washed, a sink full of dishes...yada yada yada
3. What's mine is mine, whats yours is mine, and whats not mine will be mine after the divorce and I tell the judge that you have been molesting your daughter!
4. A sh-tty attitude that emanates from her friends telling her how she deserved better...a better car, a better ring, a better vacation ...... a better husband!!
5. After years of her NOT WORKING she asking your for MORE....and....demanding that she is EQUAL....and asking "What have you done for me lately?"
6. Telling your LAZY ass that she will get half if you f-ck up!!
7. Sex....Only if I want to have sex you Pig!!!   How dare you invade MY body!!!!!
8. The leader, the boss, thats a joke!...Eat me.....You are not In charge......I'm in charge!!  Bitchboy!!

Dude you now have an Americanized Foreign Bride!!!

Assimilation...no problem!

Americanization...send her ass back to where you got her!!

Are we Clear Now?
Zulu

[Henry]

My stomach is turning.

I'll make it plain what I mean by Americanization-

1. Allowing the neighborhood bitches to dictate what goes on in your house
2. Ballbusting, nagging, complaining, sucking you dry then asking you what the f-ck are u doing resting on the couch all Saturday afternoon after a hard week of work when there are clothes to be washed, a sink full of dishes...yada yada yada
3. What's mine is mine, whats yours is mine, and whats not mine will be mine after the divorce and I tell the judge that you have been molesting your daughter!
4. A sh-tty attitude that emanates from her friends telling her how she deserved better...a better car, a better ring, a better vacation ...... a better husband!!
5. After years of her NOT WORKING she asking your for MORE....and....demanding that she is EQUAL....and asking "What have you done for me lately?"
6. Telling your LAZY ass that she will get half if you f-ck up!!
7. Sex....Only if I want to have sex you Pig!!!   How dare you invade MY body!!!!!
8. The leader, the boss, thats a joke!...Eat me.....You are not In charge......I'm in charge!!  Bitchboy!!

Dude you now have an Americanized Foreign Bride!!!

Assimilation...no problem!

Americanization...send her ass back to where you got her!!

Are we Clear Now?
Zulu

They routinely cross the line. Way over the line with their threats and demands. It is a testament to how gentle American men really are that most of those women havent assumed room temperature.

[z_k_g]

LESSON 2- AMERICANIZATION

The feminists have given really GOOD wordS, really BAD nameS!

Submissive is a GOOD word!!  But.....the fems have deemed it "enemy number 1" of non-pc words in the dictionary.

Lets take a closer look at this "bad" word.

Submissive, descriptive of a person that submits.  Submits to what?  TO A higher authority.  Not a master - slave relationship.  Its willing, its purposeful and not forced.  Subjugate is bad.  Submissive is good.

adjective

   1. Submitting without objection or resistance: acquiescent, nonresistant, passive, resigned.
   2. Willing to carry out the wishes of others: amenable, biddable, compliant, conformable, docile, obedient, supple, tractable.

Pretty clear right?

Well the fems would have you think its the other way around!  They have talked up the PC bull to a point where you would think that the man "submits" the woman!!  BullsH-t!

You do not "submit" a person!  You subjugate a person and that's a bad thing!  Submission by definition is COMPLETELY up to the participant.  Without his/her consent, there is NO SUBMISSION!!

Got it?

A good example- A man submits/volunteers himself to the military for service.  He follows his superiors lead and their orders.  (If he is "drafted" or "conscripted" its involuntary)

Using this logic, a woman submits and willingly marries a man and become his wife.  She has now submitted herself as the wife.  The husband is the leader and she follows his lead and direction in life. 

Now, of course, a marriage is NOT service in the same sense as the military but the analogy is somewhat fitting because both involve submitting.  You obviously don't order your wife around!  However, she must submit to you as the leader and respect you as long as you make decisions that provide for the family's safety, support and comfort and are not abusive. 

If you fail to provide leadership you are no longer fit to lead and must be removed and replaced- by another MAN!! 

In the military, a general -McCrystal is removed and replaced by another general- Patreas.  Not a Colonel or Captain even thou both are highly capable!

In other words, she now has to find another man, a superior, to "submit" too. 

She is NOT and can never be the MAN!  (Fems would have you believe the opposite!!)

If she wants to lead a family unit or herself, she can stay single!!

Hey, Just one man's opinion.

END OF LESSON 2

Zulu

[Dave H]

My experience and what I think many others are saying here, is that mature foreign women have their attitudes about their roles in the family and relationships essentially forged, and hearing some yentas gossiping at a party isn't going to cause them to rethink their positions.

Exactly Jeff!

[piglett]

Well said 

[Henry]

If I went to my local Starbucks right now, I wonder how many housewives in groups would be sitting around bashing their slave driver husbands, who force them not to work all day long, while they force them to drink Starbucks coffee!

[Henry]

I want to thank you all for remaining so civil. I have made similar statements like in my OP on the Latin side and gotten the living hell bashed out of me on a personal basis.

I think that is part of whats going on with AM. No solidarity whatsoever. AWs have solidarity though.

[jm21-2]

Since opening my practice I've been amazed at how many great AWs there are out there. Unfortuantely they seem to end up with losers they hope to 'fix' a lot of the time, especially if they got married young.

I'm not anticipating much 'americanization' because my GF doesn't really think much of American culture. I imagine even if they became 'Americanized' most Chinese women have enough pride in their culture that it wouldn't go too far. That being said, they can be more demanding in other ways (such as financially) than most AW I know. The ones I've met seem pretty lenient on their husbands in most ways, but you're expected to provide for the family (and well).

That being said, I will always remember a moment in China. My first GF's brother-in-law came stumbling in drunk at around 5am on Saturday after a night out partying and gaming with his friends. His wife (my GF's sister) just laughed at him a bit for being so drunk and got him into bed after worshiping the porcelain god for a while. I said something to the effect of "if you were an AW, he'd be dead," and she replied something to the effect of "what's the problem? He worked hard all week and needs some time to relax. You really should marry a Chinese girl."

[z_k_g]

That being said, I will always remember a moment in China. My first GF's brother-in-law came stumbling in drunk at around 5am on Saturday after a night out partying and gaming with his friends. His wife (my GF's sister) just laughed at him a bit for being so drunk and got him into bed after worshiping the porcelain god for a while. I said something to the effect of "if you were an AW, he'd be dead," and she replied something to the effect of "what's the problem? He worked hard all week and needs some time to relax. You really should marry a Chinese girl."

Enough Said!  That's why my next wife will be Asian!

I'm not a drunk gambling idiot but I do enjoy doing things with my friends.   This guy would be in divorce court or dead (or both)!

Zulu

[Shadow_mas]

Next answer on the question 'Why Chinese women look for American men' : because the local men gamble and drink too much.

[fschmidt]

This is a great question.  Those of you who don't mind Americanization or think men and women are basically the same have little reason to participate in this thread, so I am not addressing you.

I have been married 19 years to a Mexican (not Asian).  I don't think the country of origin matters much.  The bottom line is that women are not at all like men.  Women have no inner compass to guide them like men do.  Women are entirely directed by their environment.  The changes take time, but they will happen.  So I disagree with Jeff S about this.  I have seen the effects of different environments on my wife as we have moved to different places.  A husband has to be aware of this, aware of who his wife's friends are and what influence they are having on her.  It is critical to have good communication with your wife and discuss the latest gossip she is hearing from her friends.  If your wife has American friends, you can be sure that they are a bad influence and that they are sharing nasty comments about their husbands.  So if she has American friends, you must get her to tell you about this and then repeatedly remind her that these women are evil and encourage her to stick with her foreign friends.  Don't force the issue and create tension.  Just gently push and keep pushing.

To me, getting a foreign wife is only the first step.  I consider modern culture broken beyond repair.  This not only ruins the local women for decent men, but also threatens to ruin your foreign wife and provides a very poor environment in which to raise to your kids.  Ultimately, getting a foreign wife should only be the first step to removing oneself from modern culture.  My dream is for enough men to realize this and for them to organize to create an alternative.  America has subcultures that have succeeded in keeping out modern culture.  These include the Amish, the Mennonites, and the Hasidic Jews.  Unfortunately, I wouldn't really fit in with these groups.  But if there are other men here who feel like I do, maybe we can do something ourselves.

[Ray]

Why don't you start another Jonestown down in the jungle, where there aren't any American women for hundreds of miles? Then you can all sit around and drink koolaid without any evil outside influence to corrupt your weak, fragile women... 

Or maybe you could just lock them in the basement with chains? 

Tip of the Day: If you marry a mature woman of strong character, then you won't have to run off somewhere and hide her from all those evil influences.

Ray

[Dave H]

Hey Ray,



I just don't have these problems either! Living in the US or Philippines...there is no difference. My wife is mature and has her own character. I guess a few of us get to relax and drink beer.

Dave

[Jeff S]

I don't seem to have them either, even though I live in "the OC." If a bunch of yentas tried to convince her she ought to dump me to cash in, she'd call then all a bunch of unrepeatable names. I could probably gently convince her to distance herself from some of her friends if I tried to, but wouldn't even consider going against her own judgement, since I trust her completely and she's done nothing over the years to abrogate that trust. So I get to relax too, but prefer fine wines and single malt scotch.

[Dave H]

Hey Jeff,

Same here! Besides, my wife has MUCH better judgement than I do!  

Dave

Wine it is! Later, I will pull out my old bottle of Glenfiddich! 

[jm21-2]

Next answer on the question 'Why Chinese women look for American men' : because the local men gamble and drink too much.

Drinking too much didn't seem to be a problem. They kept wanting to give me beer with breakfast and I had to keep refusing...just didn't seem right.

And to clarify, by gaming I meant video games. They're huge in China and other Asian countries. Go to an internet cafe, grab a couple bottles of tsingtao, and have at it with some friends. Just hard to breath because of all the cigarette smoke. None of that seems to deter the youngsters from wiling away their time at them though.

[fschmidt]

It's too bad that the "Status" only goes up to "Married >5 years".  I would like to know if anyone making these comments has lived with their wife in America for over 10 years?