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Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« on: July 21, 2010, 02:44:51 PM »
There are people who feed off the reactions of other people because their agenda is to take delight in causing trouble. Pissing him/her off, doesn't really accomplish anything except making him/her continue.

There is absolutely no need to reply to any rude abusive outbursts with the same.
The lack of control does not excuse, and should never encourage, any similar behavior on our part.

Let him/her rant as they chooses, and don't flame them back. If you can't cope with the pain of reading their words, then don't encourage them by responding with negativity. If you must, silently plonk their bits to the bit bucket.

They (trolls) are people who don’t feel heard so they act out in an attempt to build up their own weak self-esteem. Of course, by not feeding the trolls, they feel even less heard and go back to wherever bridge or hole they came from.

But with that being said, there are times that you (we) have to continue to defend reason in the face of overwhelming ignorance. And there will be time when we cannot allow people to proliferate disharmony on this board.

I would also like to say this to everyone - especially to the posters who are new to the world of posting/forums:

* If someone disagrees with you, make sure you try to understand why! Listen to the others, and take the time and effort to explain why you think your suggestion(s) might be preferable.

*Don't label, give names or even disparage people; There are terms/words that will enrage people and make them defensive. And when this happens, productive discussion becomes very difficult.

*Take it slow. There is no time limit for a discussion. If you are angry, take a break from posting.
Sometimes you just need to walk away, get some fresh air. Give yourself a chance to ease discipline and get a few things off your chest.

*Raw text is ambiguous and is often more difficult to interpret than speech. Text comes without facial expressions, vocal inflection, or body language. It is easy to misjudge others' moods and intentions, especially when disagreements or discussions are heated.  Always try to make your posts/responses clear and precise.

*Assume the best about people whenever possible—this includes assuming that others are doing likewise.
 
*Be prepared to apologize. In the heat of the moment, we sometimes say things that were better left unsaid; the least we can then do is make amends.

*Almost everyone has something useful to say.

*Think about whether each action is going to make things better or worse. If an action might make things worse, consider not doing it.

*Remember, you're not always right – sometimes you're wrong – sometimes you're dead wrong. Even when you know you're right, it may be better to concede to the prevailing opinion.

*When someone calls you a name, sometimes it is best to just ignore it. Name-calling can be offensive, unhelpful and immature. Go about your business and do not worry about it; you are not required to respond.

*Politely ask the person who you feel has insulted you to retract what they said.
Sometimes people say something insulting by accident - not realizing that their words could be taken in a certain way. Other times people will change the way they act when they realize they have offended someone. If you yourself, through accident or anger, insult someone, an apology might smooth things over. If you sincerely meant the insult and cannot honestly apologize, sometimes it is best to fall silent.

*Instead of reacting to the insult with a return insult, or getting upset, try to concentrate on figuring out why they insulted you.

*Try refocusing on the issue at hand; try to be more specific about what action you disagree with, rather than insulting the person.
 
Logical people respond to logical argument with logical argument. 
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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 12:03:54 AM »

kfc,

On the subject of TROLLS: you have some good ideas and they sound fine in theory, but in practice they don’t pass muster.

I have been active on this forum for something like 12 years now and I have seen hundreds of trolls come and go. They are mostly all unique in their own way and there is no simple universal solution to dealing with them.

I’ll tell you emphatically from personal experience that ignoring trolls does not work in most all cases. Ignoring them while they trash the forum shows a sign of weakness and only emboldens them to get even nastier.

When an obvious troll shows up, it is important to first expose him/her for what they are. I’m not bragging or anything, but I can spot a troll from 7,000 miles away and I hear that Dave H can even spot one from 10,000 miles. After a while they are just so obvious.  :D

If management happens to be on scene when a troll pops his ugly head, he is often banned immediately. But if a troll does slip through the cracks, I do believe that the best course of action is to swiftly counteract his BS with the hard truth while cyber-slapping the crap out of him when he deserves it.

For example. letting a troll get away with insulting and belittling our loved ones in front of the world, such as the current troll Amicus Curiae did on the Asian Forum, only shows weakness and encourages more of the same from others. I say let the little scumbags have it in public so other wannabe trolls may be discouraged from doing likewise.

Most of the troll flame wars occur in the Flame Room, which was originally set up by the original owner for just that purpose. If I am correct, the Flame Rooms are not available to the lurking public and one must be registered to even read the posts there. My advice to any member who is offended by the shenanigans going on in the Flame Room is to simply stay out.

Besides, sometimes the forum tends to get boring and bitch-slapping a troll into oblivion helps break the monotony occasionally… LOL!

Anyway, I respect your thoughts on the subject and suggest that you practice restraint or turn the other cheek if that’s what's best for you, but don’t put down the rest of us for taking care of business.   :-*

Peace,

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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 05:48:09 AM »
I agree with you, Ray. In addition, a firm reality check on some of the more idiotic postings is the best way to cut to the chase. Politely meandering for page after page in the name of discourse when talking to a fool is a waste of time.

Besides, read some of the Mark Anthony posts in the past. There is a lot of humor and fun that can be had and that becomes pure entertainment
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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2010, 07:45:39 AM »
Yes, Ray is right - that is what the flame rooms were set up for in the first place. It's not difficult to spot trolls because they usually start out talking about others rather then themselves. Contrast how different the first post of pinay-pie and Amicus' are - both even in the same thread. One is here to contribute, the other to denigrate.

Every few weeks another "expert" comes through trying to tell us how we're so wrong and they're right. I've been here over 10 years and I think Ray and Dave already had a couple thousand posts each when I first discovered the site, so we've seen this dozens or even hundreds of times. If you notice both savvy and Amicus were given ample opportunity to explain themselves and expound on what they meant before the threads went south. They refused, just implying they knew best and we were clueless. They end up moving on whether they get cyber-slapped or not. The more than decade-long body of knowledge this forum has generated speaks for itself. What someone who's spent 15 minutes skimming the board thinks of people that have spent hundreds of hours helping others is really of little consequence in the overall theme of things.

I predict August will bring four or five new active people interested in learning from those who have blazed the trail before them whose lives we'll learn all about, and at least one anonymous "expert" who'll think we're all going about it the wrong way.

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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2010, 08:16:29 AM »
I do have "experience" with trolls & can easily spot them. I used to be a both a moderator & an administrator on a Kung Fu forum and I would encounter "trolls" all the time.

Some "trolls" were good at it and some where just ...duh.

Most of the time ignoring do not work but there are times when it works. There were a few times when a "troll" came to the Kung Fu forum a created a thread and no one replied & just completely ingored them, there were times it worked & times that it didn't. There were times that things so "bad" that we had to ban people & block their IP address from accessing the site.

I will admit that trolls do liven up topics but at the same time people have to remember or know what trolling is. Some people do mistake what trolling is.
Some of the things that was/are going on in the thread that was sent to the flame room isn't trolling. That went beyond the scope of trolling. If that person was trying to be a troll - they failed miserable.

Remember, there is a difference between being a troll and being an Asperger-monsters (asspie), a f***tard, an attention whore.

There are (and will be) people who will come to the forum and "cause trouble,"
Yes, we should expose them for what & who they are, we should blast them but we should not bring ourselves down to their level. We should never let them get under our skin - which I saw was happening to at least one member.
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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010, 09:42:12 PM »
I do have "experience" with trolls & can easily spot them. I used to be a both a moderator & an administrator on a Kung Fu forum and I would encounter "trolls" all the time.

Some "trolls" were good at it and some where just ...duh.

Most of the time ignoring do not work but there are times when it works. There were a few times when a "troll" came to the Kung Fu forum a created a thread and no one replied & just completely ingored them, there were times it worked & times that it didn't. There were times that things so "bad" that we had to ban people & block their IP address from accessing the site.

I will admit that trolls do liven up topics but at the same time people have to remember or know what trolling is. Some people do mistake what trolling is.
Some of the things that was/are going on in the thread that was sent to the flame room isn't trolling. That went beyond the scope of trolling. If that person was trying to be a troll - they failed miserable.

Remember, there is a difference between being a troll and being an Asperger-monsters (asspie), a f***tard, an attention whore.

There are (and will be) people who will come to the forum and "cause trouble,"
Yes, we should expose them for what & who they are, we should blast them but we should not bring ourselves down to their level. We should never let them get under our skin - which I saw was happening to at least one member.
I think some members here like a good almost endless troll fight. Ray comes to mind rite away.
which is fine i think. I myself like to jump in & "lay out the goods" & be very blunt about my feelings.
then i am basically done unless something important comes up in that thread.
I just don't see the point in beating my head against a brick wall or trying to argue with one.


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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2010, 01:01:06 PM »
There's an old line I'm sure you'll enjoy Piglet...

"Never wrestle with a pig: You both get all dirty, and only the pig likes it."

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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2010, 06:22:23 PM »
There's an old line I'm sure you'll enjoy Piglet...

"Never wrestle with a pig: You both get all dirty, and only the pig likes it."


ha ha ha i love it  :D :D :D

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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2010, 06:49:24 PM »
I gotta agree with Ray and the gang on this one.

The trollers have one purpose in my mind- to cause disharmony.

I think its very important NOT to ignore them, that will only embolden them and allow other trollers to jump on the bandwagon.

I think that their posts must be dissected, examined and exposed!

Once that happens then really have very little else to say; they can only repeat themselves or spew more verbal vomit and insults.

Its very important not to stoop to their level of name calling, but you have to call a fool a fool, and an idiot an idiot without becoming emotional about your choice of words.  

The word fool/jester has its basis in the Roman and English courts as "a person who mocks and jokes," and a person who is not to be taken seriously because of their words or deeds.

My describing this troller as a "fool" was exact and purposeful, I was not "name calling".

Here is why-

As one poster so succinctly put it, "...you name call when you lose an argument, its like resorting to physical violence..."

Now lets examine our troller's actions: After the P-L crew discredited his rhetoric, He lashed out at the P-L members with vile insults.

When he did that, he proved that he was foolish, hence a "FOOL"- he earned the name!  :D

Enough said.

To my knowledge not one person on P-L resorted to personal attacks on the most recent trollers.  We attacked their baseless rhetoric and unfounded accusations, but NEVER their wives or loved ones.

In the end, I think the trollers discovered that they were in for a "just" fight and crawled back into their dark holes.

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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2010, 07:36:27 PM »
I think some members here like a good almost endless troll fight. Ray comes to mind rite away.
which is fine i think. I myself like to jump in & "lay out the goods" & be very blunt about my feelings.
then i am basically done unless something important comes up in that thread.
I just don't see the point in beating my head against a brick wall or trying to argue with one.


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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 05:24:13 AM »
So far I have not seen a real troll. I run some gaming forums where real trolls run around, and their behaviour is extremely different.

If a troll wishes to stick to one or two threads where they spout their stuff, its hardly called trolling as its very easy to just skip their stuff if you get annoyed by it, and even more fun to corner and beat them at their game when you are up to it.

Just remember that rules are valid for all, and should not be broken when fighting trolls.

Its much more fun to beat them at their own game.

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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 06:51:24 AM »
So far I have not seen a real troll. I run some gaming forums where real trolls run around, and their behaviour is extremely different.
Same here, I haven't seen any real trolling going on. Everyone is talking about a troll and I haven't seen it - I too is seeing something else.

Like I said before & I quote my quote
Some of the things that was/are going on in the thread that was sent to the flame room isn't trollingIf that person was trying to be a troll - they failed miserable.

If a troll wishes to stick to one or two threads where they spout their stuff, its hardly called trolling as its very easy to just skip their stuff if you get annoyed by it, and even more fun to corner and beat them at their game when you are up to it.

Just remember that rules are valid for all, and should not be broken when fighting trolls.

Its much more fun to beat them at their own game.
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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 09:54:48 PM »
Same here, I haven't seen any real trolling going on. Everyone is talking about a troll and I haven't seen it - I too is seeing something else.

Like I said before & I quote my quote  Thank you.

I think we had a troller.

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Re: Trolls & Forum Etiquette
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2010, 01:08:12 PM »

For those who claim to never have seen a troll on this forum, I think perhaps your definition of a troll needs to be updated.

Trolls aren’t always intelligent or sophisticated enough to fool us all. There are many different types and degrees of trolling, but they pretty much all have one thing in common. They come to the forum to disrupt and cause trouble, not to join in serious discussions, and they don't contribute anything of positive value.

If you want to see what a troll looks like, go look at the Asian Flame Room, where at least one troll has been active in recent days.

The below guide will help you to understand some of the various common troll types…

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----Humorous descriptions of various troll types----

THE MAJOR BREEDS

The Vulgar Troll. These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species. Often, they make racist comments, or they may post porn and other spam. Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane, off-topic observations. When you log into the Really Profound Serious Philosophical Discussions board and see the post, "I smell my farts," you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert to this form when cornered.

The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll. More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves, sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag of tricks to which they turn:

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 2: Create another account, and log on pretending to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 4: When nothing else works, claim that now, finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before. Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the forumites.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not be able to resist posting again.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.

– Classic Troll Tactic Number 7: The insincere apology. Similar to Tactic 4, this involves pretending to repent for one's trolling and is accompanied often by great melodrama. Insincere troll apologists hope that they'll be forgiven if only they act disgusted enough with their own behavior.

The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. The Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice – all the while continuing to respond to them.

– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.

The YerATroll. YerATrolls are those whining forumites who devote a tremendous amount of time and energy complaining about the tremendous amount of time an energy expended by Troll Bashers and Angry Forumites on the practice of troll-hunting. A self-righteous and hypocritical breed, YerATrolls spend all their time pointing fingers at everyone but trolls, petulantly demanding that their opinions be granted the significance the YerATroll believes they deserve. YerATrolls often start threads excoriating others for troll-hunting, all the while completely oblivious to the fact that they're engaging in trolling by picking fights with everyone else. One of the most ill-tempered of troll species, YerATrolls are characterized by a childish need for attention disguised as cynical nobility and pretensions of being "above it all."

The Agenda Troll. Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to pursue an agenda of their own – often a feud or grudge with another member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue the spat.

– Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to spread his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.

– Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.

The Sophist Troll. Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and intolerant species.

When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree – particularly when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary views – Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide, condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks. A philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words, committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.

When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most hypocritical and aggravating of trollkind.

The Affected Profundity Troll. A mutant subspecies of Sophist Trolls, Affected Profundity Trolls post endless pages of pretentious drivel that is intended to appear wise, but which generally makes little sense (if any). Affected Profundity Trolls enjoy asking themselves questions, sometimes answering them and sometimes leaving them hanging, for they believe this looks intelligent and lends an aura of mystery to their incoherent ramblings. Affected Profundity Trolls aspire to become Sophist Trolls, but lack the intelligence necessary to make the leap.

The Don King Troll. Related to Affected Profundity Trolls, Don King Trolls spout gibberish in the hope that they'll either bore or confuse to death those with whom they disagree. The average Don King Troll is "a pursuitist who gromulates his adversarial computerists with height defining formulations to the disinterestingest adjunct."

The Artistic Troll. A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most dangerous species.

The Bitter Troll. Bitter Trolls are a curious cross-species. They can be trolls of any breed in their larval stages, but become Bitters after their previous activities are seen for what they were. What sets these trolls apart from other classifications is their behavior after they have been spotted and labeled as trolls. Angry, frustrated, and resentful about being "outed," the Bitter Troll will wage a campaign of indignant complaints intended to focus attention away from the troll and on whomever is responsible for identifying the creature. Often, a troll mutates into a Bitter just prior to becoming a Vulgar.

The Bustr. Bustrs are obsessive Bitters by whom you could practically set your watch. A Bustr never forgets, never forgives, and holds a grudge until the day it dies. Also a variant of Agenda trolls, Bustrs typically move from forum to forum complaining about the objects of their ire, often cutting and pasting age-old diatribes that have little meaning to most of their audiences. Most Bustrs are relatively incoherent, though a few of the more lucid ones are potentially dangerous stalkers.

The Mutt. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs. Mutts are pack animals characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, repetitive, usually ignorant and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Mutts frequently become obsessed with a few or even a single poster with whom they disagree, often for purely personal reasons. Like a dog gnawing at a bone, the Mutt will attack the object of its ire over and over again, making a fool of itself in the eyes of those who understand such childish behavior for what it is. Often one Mutt in a group of Yapping Dogs will act as the alpha of the pack, while the others chime in to voice their mindless (but loud) support for their leader's opinions.

The Holy Misroller (HM). Holy Misrollers are those online forum participants who give Christians (or other religious adherents) a bad name. The HM believes himself or herself to be a Christian (etc.) and will generally tell anyone who'll listen about his or her faith in God and in Jesus. At the same time, however, the HM will display decidedly un-Christian behavior, frequently making an *** out of him- or herself. The HM is often characterized by a great deal of anger and hostility. The breed tends to lash out at anyone and anything not in keeping with its incorrectly narrow worldview. The saddest part about HMs is that they do not truly understand Christianity at all.

The Marketing Genius. A Marketing Genius is absolutely convinced that you are profiting from your participation in an Internet forum. If you have a link or a graphic block in you signature, the Marketing Genius just knows that this is your subtle attempt to assert your hypnotic powers on other bulletin board participants, luring them with the siren song of your complex and inscrutable advertising of your site. It does not matter to the Marketing Genius that forum members have been placing links and pictures in their signatures since the ability to do so was first created. Having never created anything of value themselves, Marketing Geniuses have only their bitter envy and their firm belief that you are a Dot Com Billionaire to motivate and occupy them.

The Honorable Nitwit. Honorable Nitwits absolutely love to speak about honor. This breed invokes the concepts of honor, integrity, humility, and other traits straight from the Boy Scout Oath more often than a Klingon warrior on anti-depressants. Honorable nitwits are convinced that everyone around them suffers from a lack of honor – an idea they thoroughly fail to understand in attempting to use its lack to smear others.

The Old Warrior. The Old Warrior has been there and done that. He has little time to spare for those who have not been there and done that. The Old Warrior has been there and done that to such an extent, in fact, that he is always right. Anyone who disagrees with him, therefore, is wrong by definition and should shut the hell up. Old Warriors place a very high premium on one's credentials relevant to the subject matter discussed – failing to understand the logical fallacy of appeals to authority.

The Forum Cultist. Forum cultists are extremely proud of the incredible Internet communities to which they belong. They pride themselves on the exclusivity of those communities and actually believe that "it can't happen to them" – "it," of course, being their own banishment. Forum cultists place a very high premium on groupthink and generally react to differing opinions with outrage, banning all who dare to speak them.

The Pretend-novice: Has an agenda to push but pretends to not to understand arguments against said agenda in order to push the agenda further. By appearing to be a new user, she can get away with combativeness without appearing aggressive or hostile and can always excuse any poor arguments as ignorance or genuine inquiry.

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