Not just one lying Thai ****, but two...

[Celtic_Jorge]

Hey mates, just thought I'd share another story with you all.
Okay.  So as you all know, if you read my past threads, I was lied to big time by some Pattaya slut, to try to extort money out of me.

And I went on and on right, about how my Thai ex before her, the one who was tha au pair, was so wholesome, and could do no wrong, and was soooo good to me. Yeh, yeh, yeh.  It was MY fault that she "went back to Thailand", right?

Wrong.

She was as big of a filthy Isaan slut liar as the Pattaya criminal.

First of all, some history.  Just before the Au Pair and I broke up, we were having SEVERAL pregnancy scares.  She kept putting me in positions where a jimmy hat was not accessible, and seducing me.. and what do you know?  I began to think that this was being done on purpose, but it didn't bother me, because I was stupid and thinking "well I am engaging her in 2 months anyway".  I was in the process of buying her an engagement ring.

So, one day, out of the clear blue moon, get a phone call from her.  "Hi, I am in Thailand.  Sorry, I had to go here because my grandmother is so sick, she may die any day".  I bought into it.  She said she might come back to the USA in about 6-12 months and we can start dating again.

I tried calling her mobile, and no one ever answers.  Eventually I give up calling, but I still see her on MSN sporadically.  We still communicated via email and MSN for a few months.  Eventually, we stop talking all together.

So now, I send her an email, right?  I hadn't done it in awhile.  I miss her, I want to see if there's any way I can get her back.  She seemed sweet, right?  Why not at least try?

So eventually after TWO DOZEN emails, about three fortnights later, I get a phone call from her.  She blocks her phone number, and is mostly interested in how my "family is doing".  I told her to call me back, and she never does.  She refuses to give me her phone number.  HRMMMM.

So I just started using facebook, right?  So I look her up.  And wouldn't you know it.  SHE NEVER EVEN LEFT THE UNITED STATES, AND SHE HAS BEEN HERE IN THE D.C. AREA COURTING MULTIPLE WESTERN MEN FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS.  What a lying skank!!!!!

I just feel like I just can't trust anyone anymore, expecially not any Thai women.  It's just devastating.  I thought she was better than that.  I thought she was different.  I thought she loved me.  Just another lying bawbag [snip] to add to the tally of women who have cheated, stole from, and lied to me.    

[z_k_g]

Jorge,

Did you read the http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanGreenStarSubmissions.htm link I sent over too you?

If you want to continue to date Thai women here or anywhere in the world, that website is a MUST read.

I sent you the best links to get you up to speed on the types of games, lies and scams they play.

In my opinion, Thai women are just not worth the headache, they are all pretty much cut from the same cloth, the ones that are interested in farangs (westerners) anyway.

You really need to read the links so you can understand their culture and why you will never even get close to having a relationship with a Thai woman that is normal and not a hustler.   Those Thai women are honest and decent but are pretty much off limits to western men because they have NO desire for us they want Thai men.

Stickman is the authority, you really need to read his posts.

If you want a much better opportunity to meet a decent Asian woman, go to the Philippines or Japan.  Since I don't speak Japanese, I chose the Philippines, they speak English there!!

If you stay away from the bar girls (ie prostitutes) and club girls in the Phil islands you will find tons of decent women looking for a healthy long term relationship. 

If you look hard enough you might find one locally in the DC area, they have all types of filipino social organizations and things like that where the young pinays may congregate.

Zulu

[thekfc]

CJ, after reading this new post of your, I want to say this & I would like you to remember it for future reference:
Don't waste your time loving someone who isn't willing to love you, the worst thing is holding on to someone who doesn't want to be held on to.

And also remember, the bad things in life open your eyes to the good things you weren't paying attention to before.

[robert angel]

I am not the kind to say "I told you so" a lot, but even those very rare guys who are lucky in finding a bride who lasts long time in a happy marital way will tell you, Thailand is exceedingly difficult in that realm.

Read prior posts. There's a guy who posted here a couple months back who's been living there and loves it--knows the culture, etc. but is quick to tell you that almost no decent Thai gal will settle down with a Farang. William 3rd finally got lucky and he knows the ropes and all the same, I think before he finally got it right with this lovely gal he's with, he's hit some land mine women that even he didn't expect to blow up on him.

I am leery of former USSR nation women, as well as most Eastern European nation's women as well.

It's not just the Baltic Sea that runs cold at times. .

China was a hard sell for me too--I would have some intense letters, online chats where they thought I was the ONE and would tell me so, then they'd disapear--nothing--zero replies in return. I assume they found someone richer. Those women were usually subtle, but nonetheless wanted to know about my career, home, car -- general lifestyle questions that added up to either less or enough of what they were looking for in terms of 'being taken care of'.


That said, I never went to the above countries to visit and that could've made all the difference, but I never met women who stuck around very long or one good enough and able to get to that point of commitment, except for one wonderful lady from Kazakhstan, who I DEFINITELY should've followed up on--THAT was 'my bad' and out of a lot of women from that part of the world,--the ONE exception and regret.


If I had to do it all over again for a 3rd time--I'd be back in the Philippines or I'd try some of the lesser trafficked South & Central American nations like Peru, Ecuador, etc.

There's NO substitute for taking the time, traveling there to at least experience the culture and most certainly to meet her, see what her family and friends are REALLY like--what kind of work she really does--all that makes a big difference between what you think you see and want and what you might actually get....

Dream and wish big--but at the same time be careful for what you wish for. What we think we want and need and what's best for us aren't always the same.....

[Bob_S]

I tried calling her mobile, and no one ever answers.  Eventually I give up, after a few months,

A few months?  Dude, after a few weeks, it's borderline stalking.  That is seriously effed up.  No skirt is worth that much effort just to hook up and say "hi".

So eventually after TWO DOZEN emails,

Two dozen back-and-forth e-mails or just two-dozen just from you and no replies from her?  If the latter, DUUUUDE!  That is gettin' seriously disturbed!  Knock it off!  That kind of behavior reeks of desperation and makes you unattractive to nice quality girls.  It's time to move on.
Spare your sanity and consider this rule of thumb: Contact once.  If no reply within a week, contact once more in case they never got the first message (lost in cyberspace, message accidentally deleted, whatever).  If still no reply, forget 'em and move on.  Anything more reeks of desperate lonely loser.

[robert angel]

To all you guys hip on China, with it's at least half a billion women, I am sure there's probably a couple hundred million or so that are fantastic ladies--who are very good wife material. I didn't mean to slam Chinese women as a whole--nor any nation's in their entirety. The more I read about experiences here regarding guys with M.L. Chinese & Taiwan women, the more I realize I didn't even begin to get a representative sample from the one's I dallied with on line.

So, if you haven't learned already, take my and other's opinions, with a grain of salt here. I used to think you have to be a lion tamer to deal with Colombianas and it seems that I was maybe stereo typing them to an extent too, although I'll stick to my gut instinct that for me anyways, the RP and lesser traveled (by Kanos anyway) parts on S. & C. America would be for me, if I had to do it all over again for a 3rd time...

Speaking of TIME--there is no substitute for taking time if you want to maximize your chances. Yes, you can be and have to be decisive and sincere enough to let her know you're serious or she'll spin you off, court other guys or worse, but 'fools rush in where angels fear to tread'. It's all about 'balance and timing'.

[jm21-2]

China was a hard sell for me too--I would have some intense letters, online chats where they thought I was the ONE and would tell me so, then they'd disapear--nothing--zero replies in return. I assume they found someone richer. Those women were usually subtle, but nonetheless wanted to know about my career, home, car -- general lifestyle questions that added up to either less or enough of what they were looking for in terms of 'being taken care of'.

It doesn't seem abnormal for a Chinese girl to be concerned with the economic status and wealth of a potential husband. They seem pretty practical in that respect. It's not that they are looking for the richest guy, but they want to make sure he can provide an adequate lifestyle for her and their children. I prefer a practical approach like that to some of these girls who 'fall in love' with some deadbeat. I would wager that Chinese girls are less likely to divorce if/when the passion dies down a bit (well, I AM wagering on that). Capstone knows more about it than I do and can post, but it always seemed Chinese girls had a broader view of 'family' and the husband-wife relationship was part of that....rather than the concept of 'family' we have here where it's more a loving couple with a kid or two. Don't know if that makes sense to anyone but me.

[Celtic_Jorge]

A few months?  Dude, after a few weeks, it's borderline stalking.  That is seriously effed up.  No skirt is worth that much effort just to hook up and say "hi".
Two dozen back-and-forth e-mails or just two-dozen just from you and no replies from her?  If the latter, DUUUUDE!  That is gettin' seriously disturbed!  Knock it off!  That kind of behavior reeks of

Sorry my command of the English language is not the best.  I know Vietnamese who speak and write better English than I do.  Glasgow isn't known for it's heavenly grace of the English tongue.

No.  What I meant to say was, after a few months of talking to her, TWO WAY, I gave up, because she was seeming less and less interested in me, or at least less and less ABLE to come back to the United States.

I wasn't calling her for months.  In fact I only called her about 3 or 4 times after she had "left the United States".

Also, we were having two way communication in our emails.  I just didn't get a phone call back from her for a long time, after the emails.

Sorry I am such a pish writer.  In fact it might be best if I just don't write anything at all and only talk to people verbally from here on out.  Ugh.  The issue here is she lied to me about going back to Thailand, and continued the lie for over a year.

[Celtic_Jorge]

Also a major issue is she was trying to get pregnant to get me to clear her immigration status...... Just another minor feckin detail mate.

I am not a miserable weird stalker.  We dated for over a year and we were getting engaged.  I just wanted to keep the dialogue open because I still loved her and I wanted to see if there was any way I could get her back.

She never told me she didn't want to keep talking, and she normally responded, her responses were just getting fewer and far between.  When we stopped talking, I began looking elsewhere for a date.  That is why.

Every time we did talk, though, on email or MSN, she would lie to me about where she was.  She even said that "maybe I will come back to the USA".

Funny.  Her on her facebook she puts down she has been here for three years, just a few weeks ago.


[snip]ing whatever.

[piglett]

Hey CJ the wench did you a favor by leaving. call her up & thank her.
really you dodged a bullet with that one


piglett

[robert angel]

Jorge,

I'm just glad--if 'glad' is the right word--really there's nothing appropriate to say to describe what I'm thinking, but hey, in a way although that first chick we thought was a pretty good egg actually took a while to be 'found out', at least you didn't spend several grand flying half way around the world for nothing but grief and heart break like you almost did with girl # 2.

At least you don't have a child you might never see and maybe not even be sure is from your blood, but would probably think of every day and financially support, despite rarely seeing.

There's thousands of dollars more in immigration costs if you continued the way you were heading and then if it didn't work out, once they get here on a K1, they're  almost always here for good unless they become axe murderers or some capitol criminal (then it's your fault anyways too) and your responsibility to cover all her expenses. You almost always get married anyway in the short time your babe has to do so here on a K1, then you risk big  legal costs for divorce down the line, if and when she goes psycho, misses home and needs a ticket back or goes to work in a strip club down the street from your flat!

Man--I hate to just look at it from a cash money and time frame perspective---but the way I see it, you're a lucky guy. You've learned a helluva a lesson--really two of them in a relatively short time and for very little money put out.

A lot of guys took years, had several failed relationships, sometimes even marriages and children--all in the course of learning what you've learned.

You were soooo convinced on these babes for a while--I hope you can take what you've you learned and when some new green horn guy--all love-lust struck over some exotic babe that he can't think or see straight--you  could wise him up.

Jorge, you're the 'young buck' here and you can help some guys, especially young fellows who might see the likes of me and some of the other guys here as crotchety, conservative old farts. You--they might listen to a bit better.

You can 'pay it forward' and maybe save some guy a lot of grief down the line.

Anyway--I hope you still DO get a good vacation--get to watch and mix it up in rugby. If Scotland's half as nice as ireland, I know you'll have a grand time. Have a few jars for me, mate. They'll still be a billion women waiting for you to sort out when you get back....

[z_k_g]

You can 'pay it forward' and maybe save some guy a lot of grief down the line.

This is great advice and I hope Jorge provides the forum with great insights from his first hand experience.  He can provide significant value to the discussions on the forum especially dealing with scammers and Thai women.

When I decided to pursue an Asian woman, I did tons of reading on the internet, P-L archives, Stickman. many many other forums, travel logs and on blogs.  These resources provided me with some great background from which to work and begin my search.

When I finally took the step and started to actually chat with pinays, I was amazed at how well I could single out and eliminate the scammers, bar girls (prostitutes), party girls, cam girls, and liars.  All that reading paid off and I was armed and ready with info, no way I was gonna get easily scammed.  It was gonna take a sophisticated scammer to get through my radar.

I think the most valuable assets to have when pursuing a foreign bride is to have experienced men to engage in honest and sincere peer review, and to provide up to date information about your interested country. 

An open mind and a pragmatic attitude that balances the cynicism and optimism one encounters when dealing with these types of situations is also required. 

Every pinay is not a scammer even if she tells you she loves you after a few chats. 

Pinays are "in love with love" so they are prone to make these types of assertions and fully believe them no matter how illogical.

Of course the bar girls tell you the exact same thing so you must be patient and tenacious enough to spend the hours asking the right questions and deciding who is telling the truth. 

The bar girl will always lose in my book so that elimination process is pretty short once you find out she sells sex. 

The normal pinay is another story.  You just don't want to be judgmental and declare her a liar!  She may truely believe she is in LOVE!

The key is not to become so jaded that you consider everything they say a red flag.  Its a delicate balance but you will develop pretty good senses after a few hundred chats. 

Picking out the jewels become easier over time. 

In my case, I feel pretty good about my choice.  Its been over 5 months and its been rocky at times but I think my sweetie is top notch.  I am very excited about my first trip to the Philippines!

Now that Jorge has some first hand experience, lets see how well is can pick out a jewel for himself.

Zulu

[Dave H]

Hey mate,

Sorry to hear about the situation! But, look at the bright side...it sounds like you had some real "good" X-rated times together!  Memories... 

Dave

[z_k_g]

Hey mate,

Sorry to hear about the situation! But, look at the bright side...it sounds like you had some real "good" X-rated times together!  Memories... 

Dave

A great bar girl "long term" experience! 

Zulu

[Henry]

I dont think all of Eastern Europe is bad. Just the parts where Russian is widely spoken, especially Russia itself, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazahkstan, et al. I'd imagine that Romania, Slovakia, Poland, etc are perfectly fine places to find a wife (especially if you go by the divorce rates).

If I were keen on Asian women, and most especially darker skinned Asian women, I would go to Indonesia. I havent met any to be honest with you, but I have met lots of Indonesian men, and they seem to be the most pleasant people I've met. I'd even rate them higher than Filipinos in friendliness. For overall "beauty" though, I'd go with Japan or China.

Since we are on stereotypes, I do find that Filipinos and Filipinas laugh at some very inappropriate moments often and sometimes speak before thinking. I do think they are some of the kindest people on earth though.

And from what I've read about Thai women, you'd have better odds of winning the lottery than finding a good woman willing to be wisked off. No way you would catch me in Thailand or a Russian speaking nation.

Thailand seems to rank very highly with British men for some reason. That might explain your attraction to the place, C_G.

[Celtic_Jorge]

Great news......... I met a Korean lady here in the USA tonight.... I even have her mobile number...

She is first world, class......

Only one minor detail.  She's also an Au Pair.      But she's NOT THAI........ We're off to a GREAT START.

[Ethan14]

Congrats Jorge. I guess you don't have to travel to the other side of the world to meet a lady after all.

Where did you meet her? (Maybe there is a place like it near me )

[Dave H]

Since we are on stereotypes, I do find that Filipinos and Filipinas laugh at some very inappropriate moments often and sometimes speak before thinking. I do think they are some of the kindest people on earth though.

Hey Henry,

I asked my wife why many Filipinos do that. Nothing bad is meant by it. It is a coping mechanism, seen especially in stressful or uncomfortable situations.

Dave

[Henry]

Hey Henry,

I asked my wife why many Filipinos do that. Nothing bad is meant by it. It is a coping mechanism, seen especially in stressful or uncomfortable situations.

Dave

Yeah I never thought it was malicious or even intentional. Philippines is still on my top 10 list of possibilities.

[robert angel]

Jorge, Jorge, Jorge....
Re:

>>Great news......... I met a Korean lady here in the USA tonight.... I even have her mobile number...

She is first world, class......

Only one minor detail.  She's also an Au Pair.      But she's NOT THAI........ We're off to a GREAT START.<<

You keep this up, and I'm gonna come and have to be your 'chaperon'!! 

When you fall, you fall hard!

Besides, if you live anywhere near Georgetown, Washington DC. I know we'd have a great time--lots of fun around there.....

We'll talk about Korean ladies--culture later. Rest assured, there are some really nice ladies from--of Korean descent.

[jm21-2]

Rest assured, there are some really nice ladies from--of Korean descent.

And at least one real psycho (from my personal experience).

[Ray]

Great news......... I met a Korean lady here in the USA tonight.... I even have her mobile number...

She is first world, class......

Only one minor detail.  She's also an Au Pair.      But she's NOT THAI........ We're off to a GREAT START.

Be careful! Remember what your Uncle William told you.

“Au Pair”, “Care Giver”, etc., are often other terms for someone here illegally and working for a family because they don’t always verify legal status and pay cash.

See if you can get a look at her passport and see if she is legal (J1 Visa?)…

Ray

[Gato4Astrid]

Good luck Mr Celtic.... Make sure she isn't another Rangers Fan 

[Celtic_Jorge]

Good luck Mr Celtic.... Make sure she isn't another Rangers Fan 

Doubt it...  We have Cha Du Ri and Ki Sung Yong..  :-)

Rangers are racist towards asians.. The whole "Nakamura ate my dog" incident etc.   

[Celtic_Jorge]

Be careful! Remember what your Uncle William told you.

“Au Pair”, “Care Giver”, etc., are often other terms for someone here illegally and working for a family because they don’t always verify legal status and pay cash.

See if you can get a look at her passport and see if she is legal (J1 Visa?)…

Ray

Yeh I wondered about that.... You know, that Thai bitch has been living in this country for 3 years now.. I wasn't aware you could Au Pair for 3 years??  I thought the max was 2?

Haha getting ahold of someone's visa.. That would be an awkward question.  "Hey love, you know, I've always wanted to see what your passport photo looks like..."   

Anyway..  She's being distant to me now.  I just got excited because she's the first online contact I've had since that last Pattaya slut.  Oh well.  She's undoubtedly found someone more interesting than I...