Arizona Immigration Enforcement Law

[Researcher]

   The fence should be finished since it has been proven to be effective.Cutting off any benefits for illegals and making sure they don't have any reason to come here would be effective also.

    For now, people should start reporting those that hire illegals by calling ICE @ 1-866-347-2423.


  Researcher

[michaelb]

   The fence should be finished since it has been proven to be effective.Cutting off any benefits for illegals and making sure they don't have any reason to come here would be effective also.

    For now, people should start reporting those that hire illegals by calling ICE @ 1-866-347-2423.


  Researcher

No, it hasn't been proven to effective at keeping people out, it's only been proven to be effective at making them go somewhere else to cross. That's part of the point I was making.

Call ICE? And they will do exactly what? It was true when Bob Dylan wrote it in 1963 and it's still true today: The cops don't need you, and man, they expect the same.

But we're in agreement on the part about remove the lure and they will quit coming.

[Researcher]

   It probably depends on the state but calling ICE has worked where I live.If the fence works it only makes sense to extend it.I'm all for using the military to help as well.



 Researcher

[Ray]

The new triple-layer fence works very well everywhere it has been installed so far. They say it has worked wonders in the Tucson area.

You can’t say it won’t work if you fence and patrol the entire 2,000 mile border unless you actually try it for a few years. The open-border whackos have used every excuse under the sun to portray the fence as a big boondoggle, but they have been proven wrong by hard evidence and actual experience. Only 700 miles of fence has been authorized under law, so let’s build the rest and let it work.

Michael, your numbers probably aren’t that far off, but Obama and the current congress can flush that much down the toilet in a few days.

BTW, that stupid “virtual fence” that has been proposed won’t keep anyone from crossing, or even slow them down. The current system of letting them enter, chasing them all over the countryside, then playing the “catch & release” game is the real waste!

Ray

[Researcher]

   Here's another option to calling ICE:


   Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
Fraud Line: 800-829-0433
How to report criminal activity with the IRS. While the IRS has the task of making sure we pay the extensive bill for illegal immigration, they can also be an asset to your efforts. Please report employers that hire illegal labor and use illegal alien day laborers to the IRS.


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[Jeff S]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrA07jcIHZ

[fathertime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrA07jcIHZ

jeff your link is broken, maybe you can provide a new one.

MichaelB,
I agree with what you are saying about the 'squeeze the balloon theory'. Nevertheless, I think the fence would be pretty effective if it were erected in many other areas across the border.  If we can use the 'squeeze the balloon' effect into areas that are easy to pick the illegals  up in, that would be just as effective as a wall.   Compared to the other things we have been spending money on this seems worth it.  Of course I'm in 4 square behind strict workplace enforcement with massive consequences.

Fathertime!

[robert angel]

I think that between fences that from what news we're fed, seem to indicate they're effective, along with drones and space satellites that can read a license plate from space--and even differentiate a dime from a quarter sized object on the ground, there's a bigger problem here.


I know that it's one thing to spot a illegals crossing our borders from space or with a drone and then  much harder to marshall the manpower to locate  identified illegals overland by conventional air, land vehicle and foot.


I think that for whatever reasons, govt and probably big business, really don't want to shut down illegal aliens coming in.

Cheap labor helps big business and as long as the govt can make money faster than Charmin can make toilet paper and not have to even reveal exactly how much money they are newly making and how much old money is being destroyed. nor how many dollars (LOTS) are being illegally taken out of the nation and then even more counterfeited overseas, we have some real problems.

I think the same hypocrisies 'lip service' that both republican and democratic 'leaders' (haha) spew is also very similar in nature to what they say about illegal drugs and how we need to battle that. We spend more money building prisons (mostly private contractors now) and less on rehab than ever before.

With all the money and food availability we have in the USA, we still have the largest percentage of any nation with it's 'citizens' incarcerated in prison. That's one sorry statement right there for 'the land of milk and honey'.

It all boils down to money, votes and as such, power.

[Jeff S]

Oops. Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrA07jcIHZI&feature=player_embedded

[Researcher]

 http://www.necn.com/08/12/10/Senate-passes-600-million-dollar-border-/landing.html?blockID=288842&feedID=4215


       Well, the Senate passed a 600 million dollar border security bill.Now all it needs is Obama's approval.I'm glad to see something done about border security but next will be amnesty for the illegals already here.The Dems will be playing both sides on this one.Maybe it will cut down on the drug traffic and illegal labor black market that exists here but all the rich folks can keep their low paid nannies,maids and gardners.


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[robert angel]

Re:

>>     Well, the Senate passed a 600 million dollar border security bill.Now all it needs is Obama's approval.I'm glad to see something done about border security but next will be amnesty for the illegals already here.The Dems will be playing both sides on this one.Maybe it will cut down on the drug traffic and illegal labor black market that exists here but all the rich folks can keep their low paid nannies,maids and gardners.<<

Well, seeing how submarines are increasingly popular for smuggling drugs into the USA from south of the border, perhaps if they build more and larger submarines.

That way, the price of building them will come down and they can bring in illegal aliens that way. After all, the need, or 'demand' isn't likely to go down anytime soon and if there's a scarcity of such workers, their monetary value will inevitably increase, making more money for the smugglers.

It's funny how a lot of the newspaper stories about nannies being exposed as being illegally here, are nannies working for politicians, some who are even in higher up postions, supposedly providing 'over sight' on this situation.

Once again, it boils down to money and the most basic law of economics, 'supply and demand'.

[throwawaydad]

Something has to be done.

I have a REALLY HARD TIME with the concept of "Your Papers Please".  I don't think it serves us well in America.

But when people are detained in the normal course of duty, and there exists probable cause, well too bad / so sad.  The concept of "catch and release" is an abject failure.

There are few countries that have as porous a border as America.  The price (not only financial price) we all pay for a unsecured border is astounding.

This is one of the reasons that I will attempt to vote out all incumbents...

School Board
Local Government
Elected Judges
State Government
Congress

In the next few elections.  It sounds childish and churlish, but regular "folks" need to send a strong message, regardless of political persuasion.

[Researcher]

   I thought the submarines(homemade) came from the drug smugglers in Colombia.Oh well, one thing at a time.I don't think the solution is to leave the border wide open.I mean, if someone is going to come here illegally at least it shouldn't be easy or cheap.

  I agree with TAD. A message needs to be sent.



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[Ray]

Reportedly, many other states are contemplating or are ready to pass their own Arizona-like immigration laws, including Florida, Michigan, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Minnesota, Alabama, Idaho, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, and Maryland.

Hell, at this rate Obama may have to sue the whole damn country. Bring it on bozo!

I wonder if San Francisco and LA are ready to boycott the rest of the country? ROFL!

[Jeff S]

I have a REALLY HARD TIME with the concept of "Your Papers Please".  I don't think it serves us well in America.

Me too, but last time I got pulled over for speeding, the Highway Patrolman pulled that evil tactic on me. I submitted though, and showed him my license, registration, and proof of insurance. He let me go with a warning. Probably because I'm white, have an American flag decal on my car window, and don't speak with an accent....

Had I not had my papers, I'd have been arrested and my car impounded - yes even a blue eyed, white skinned person with no accent here in liberal California, the land of Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi. You can't get a driver's license without proving you're a legal resident, and you can't get insurance without a driver's license.

"Your Papers Please" isn't some new evil scheme invented by the far right just to try to stem the tide of the changing race makeup of the US, it's been the law of the land ever since I've been driving - and that's been since the 1960s.

I agree, something needs to be done, and the tools (laws) are even in-place. We just need to use them (enforce the laws.) If the laws are inherently evil (as those opponents of the AZ law claim) and the AZ law is a mirror of Federal law, just repeal them. If they're legal and acceptable, enforce them. This waffling in-between is what's gotten everyone POed. Governments love making everything illegal, so then they can haul-in anyone anytime and let anyone go any time, based on the political wind at the time. That's why we need to throw the bums out and start over.

[Dave H]

Reportedly, many other states are contemplating or are ready to pass their own Arizona-like immigration laws, including Florida, Michigan, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Minnesota, Alabama, Idaho, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, and Maryland.

Hell, at this rate Obama may have to sue the whole damn country. Bring it on bozo!

Hey Ray,

Florida should be very easy and cheap! Just let them build more condos and hotels on beach front property. There is usually no access between buildings. Believe me, the security guards  take their jobs seriously! Most are foreign born who don't want to lose their jobs to a bunch of new illegals! (even from their home countries)  They are very tough on not allowing "unregistered guests" to come into the swimming pool area from the ocean and pass into the hotel or condo lobby!

Dave

[Ray]

This is one of the reasons that I will attempt to vote out all incumbents...

School Board
Local Government
Elected Judges
State Government
Congress

In the next few elections.

That sounds good, but didn't you forget someone?

[michaelb]

Now that one cracked me up, Ray.

Say, anybody see this article?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100813/ap_on_re_ca/cn_canada_migrant_ship

Gist of it is a ship with 490 asylum seekers from Skri Lanka currently is docked in a military port near Vancouver, B.C.

[Dave H]

That sounds good, but didn't you forget someone?

Damn it Ray!

"UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRATS" !!!! ROFLMGDAOCUMMFSLPASIMGDD!!!!!!! I am spitting out pieces of my friggin' lungs!

Dave


Even my dog lost his mind!

[Monermaje]

Write your members of Congress and the Senate. Write and call your state representatives and Governor. Write and call the leaders in Arizona and give the a thumbs up.

[thekfc]

An news article I found from 2007 from our neighbors up north..

Ottawa has ruled out amnesty for the estimated 200,000 undocumented workers toiling in Canada's underground economy, saying it would not be fair to those who have applied legally and are waiting in line, according to a letter obtained by The Globe and Mail.

Allowing illegal workers to stay would likely "encourage more illegal immigration," noted Linda Arseneau of Citizenship and Immigration Canada's ministerial enquiries division in an Oct. 18 letter to the Universal Workers Union.

"Even a small increase in the number who decide to come here and stay here illegally based on the hope of regularization would simply recreate the very problem the proposal is supposed to fix," the letter says.

The decision is a bitter disappointment to Portuguese and Hispanic groups, home-builder associations and unions in Ontario that have lobbied CIC to allow undocumented workers in the construction industry to regularize their status.

The groups have met with five different immigration ministers in six years to press the issue. Former immigration minister Joe Volpe signed a memo of understanding with the Coalition for Undocumented Workers last year for a regularization program that would allow undocumented workers already in the Greater Toronto Area to apply to stay.

The initiative was never passed because of opposition from within the Liberal caucus.

Andy Manahan, of Universal Workers Union Local 183, said he hopes Ottawa will not move to deport about 20,000 undocumented workers in Toronto, many of whom are keeping the construction sector afloat. Another 20,000 work as house cleaners and cooks in the GTA, while a recent report estimated the total of illegal workers in Canada at 200,000 to 500,000.

"We need these people and they cannot qualify under the current immigration system, which favours white-collar workers," Mr. Manahan said. "The best solution would be if the government reformed the points system to encourage skilled tradespeople to apply."

Daniel, 47, his wife and two grown sons arrived in Toronto from Mendoza, Argentina, seven years ago and have been working as house framers ever since, hoping Ottawa would introduce a temporary amnesty.

"There is a demand for our labour. Most Canadians don't want to do this work," Daniel said. "We are paying taxes and spending money. An amnesty isn't a solution, but the government could create a temporary program to help us get status."

He and his family must decide what to do next, and they live in fear of being discovered by immigration officials and ordered to leave.

"This is not a good way to live," he said.

Immigration Minister Monte Solberg understands the difficulty and vulnerability of those working illegally in Canada, according to the letter, which says he is committed to "ensuring that Canada's immigration policy is reoriented to meet the demands of our labour market."

But CIC also wants to maintain the integrity of the immigration program and "drive foreign workers to legal channels."

Ontario is planning to introduce a provincial nominee program, which would allow the province to bring in workers with specific skills and give applicants priority processing by CIC.

Last year more than 80,000 temporary foreign workers arrived in Canada.

A recent report commissioned by the Laborers' International Union of North America found that undocumented workers in the GTA "pay taxes, create jobs and wealth," but are often forced to work for less than the minimum wage and "live in fear of being deported."

Many of the workers are from Portugal and Latin American countries such as Argentina and El Salvador.

In March, the deportation of about two dozen Portuguese nationals caused an uproar as the Portuguese community struggled to understand why gainfully employed stonemasons and carpenters could not stay.

In June, the House of Commons committee on citizenship and immigration called on the government to halt deportations of all undocumented workers until a new immigration policy could be introduced.

[thekfc]

Border Patrol sees spike in suicides

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BORDER_PATROL_SUICIDES?SITE=NCJAC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT