Arizona Immigration Enforcement Law

[Researcher]

The actual guys who do the suicide missions can often be described as lunatics. GEnerally they are not a Navy Seal or anywhere near.

   I agree, but they are organized and better financially supported than our "domestic
terrorists". Also, the terrorists ,like those mentioned by Jeff S., hate us because of who we are and what we believe.There is no negotiating with them.

Yes, a magical pill is given out when they adjust status that makes them better/smarter people. Yes, the general public and politicians always make perfect choices.

    But a person has to have a little intelligence to be able to wade through the paperwork and jump through all the hoops to get a visa.As long as one of these illegals can follow a crowd of people walking north they can come here.Any disease carrying, child molesting, heroin mule can walk across the border.

OK, let's put cameras on every street so we're constantly observed. And I think the market works a lot better for farm labor than it does for derivative regulation.

  Or we could make the market completely free so we could have another economic meltdown.Over the past couple of decades I think of 2 lessons learned:1)Communism in it purist form does not work(Russia's collapse).2) Free market capitalism in its purist form does not work(Our recent economic crisis).

   I don't know many farmhands who have stock portfolios.

But they don't stop bad people. There have bene studies done where they show that it is actually more likely for a person committing visa fraud to get a fiance/marriage visa than for a legitimate couple because they know how to plan things out.

      Having been through the process twice myself I seriously doubt the findings of that study.Even if they don't stop all the bad people, they do stop many.Also, not being able to stop bad people completely doesn't mean we should give up completely.

The actual guys who do the suicide missions can often be described as lunatics. GEnerally they are not a Navy Seal or anywhere near.

Yes, a magical pill is given out when they adjust status that makes them better/smarter people. Yes, the general public and politicians always make perfect choices.
OK, let's put cameras on every street so we're constantly observed. And I think the market works a lot better for farm labor than it does for derivative regulation.
But they don't stop bad people. There have bene studies done where they show that it is actually more likely for a person committing visa fraud to get a fiance/marriage visa than for a legitimate couple because they know how to plan things out.

Reactionary tactics like taking off shoes don't make a damn bit of difference. I would much rather devote resources to catching them in advance, or like I said, just let passengers carry weapons. At least they're letting pilots have weapons now.
Can you point to a study where it shows illegal immigrants are diseased dimwits compared to legal immigrants?

   I beg to differ.Since everyone has been removing shoe in the airport I think the number of shoe bombers has dropped dramatically.How do you "catch them in advance", hang out at the Foot Locker? Passengers carrying weapons? I almost agree with you on that one but I've seen too many instances where that wouldn't be good.I would hate to see a drunk passenger with a gun.

   I don't have to point to a study about legal immigrants because they have been checked out as opposed to the illegals.That's the problem, no one knows who or what problems the illegals have.

 

I don't think we need MORE border patrol agents sitting around on the job studying for their online classes and getting paid bank. I don't think we need more politicians handing out huge government contracts to their buddies to build fences and then manage to bungle up.

    I'm more with you on this one.My problem is that I know what our government is capable of.Several years ago I worked for a company that did contract work for NASA.I have built parts for Space Shuttles, the Hubble Telescope and other not so well known projects.The company also did work for the military.I have worked on Apache helicopters, tanks and a few years ago,before my current job, I got to see what was on the table to use in the war on terror.Trust me, we don't need fences.The Federal Government has the technology to secure our borders without spending a fortune.This is more of a political issue than anything.

   Researcher

[Ray]

How do you "catch them in advance", hang out at the Foot Locker?

[Ray]

Can you point to a study where it shows illegal immigrants are diseased dimwits compared to legal immigrants?

http://newswithviews.com/Cosman/madeleine3.htm

[Dave H]

Can you point to a study where it shows illegal immigrants are diseased dimwits compared to legal immigrants?

Who needs studies! I lived and worked among them for 41 years and had to deal with all of their Bull Sh-it!

Dave

[mudd]

here is an easy way to solve the problem
1st, land mine the border, put up a sign in English, Spanish, Portuguese and few other languages saying " you go over the fence and walk 20 feet, and BOOM" 

2nd, fine any company or homeowner for hiring an illegal worker $ 25,000 for each offense and enforce it, would only take a few examples to make a point.

but ACLU and other pro illegal aliens groups would never let it happen, even our own govt who wants the hispanic vote would never do it either.

about Arizona law, ohhhhhhhh no, the police can ask for your papers if you break the law?, funny, i have been asked for my papers by local police in 3 countires i have visited in my travels, and i didn't have a problem with it, and i didnt break any laws.


i saw a girl get into an argument with a illegal immigrant from Mexico about this issue, his only real point was, " Mexico is too corrupt and i cant get a good job there  so i come here to work and put my kids in your schools"    her reply was, " well, why don't you go back and fix your country instead of coming to my country illegally???"   i started laughing

 

[fathertime]

Can you point to a study where it shows illegal immigrants are diseased dimwits compared to legal immigrants?

While you are pondering about studies in your lofty ivory tower, many of us are living with the consequences of being overrun by illegals.  We don't need a 'study' to tell us what we experience everyday.  

About half the illegals came here legally. So if you want there to be no illegals here you really have to crack down on who gets a visa. Then do you really think if they seal off the border the border jumpers will go away? No, instead of hiring a coyote to get them across they'll hire someone to help them out with visa fraud.

If we seal off the border the illegals will have a harder time getting here, that is the goal.  Committing visa fraud (through phony marriage) can be done but it is not easy and it would minimize entire families coming across which would also help matters.

So, why the heck don't you kick them out of schools, kick them off welfare, and cut off all the other welfare benefits? If they're as you say then wouldn't they just leave on their own?

They might leave on their own, but they may also turn to a life of crime. I'd love to see the families of illegals be stripped of their 'right' to schooling, welfare for the kids etc. Not because the kids would suffer, but because it would take away the great incentive to come here.  

I don't think we need MORE border patrol agents sitting around on the job studying for their online classes and getting paid bank. I don't think we need more politicians handing out huge government contracts to their buddies to build fences and then manage to bungle up.]

I am disgusted with the story Alabamaboy! related to us, because I completely believe it to be accurate.  Our govt. is happily not watching some of the border patrol agents and they are not doing their job.  I also agree that the fences are being built in a very inefficient way.  I saw a picture yesterday, where the mexicans were coming accross he border and STEALING and selling the fencing materials as they were being piled up for future construction.  I lay this on our govt. which is giving a half-hearted effort to ending this mess.  As a couple other posters mentioned, if the govt REALLY wanted to stop the illegals from coming, they could do it.  There are some forces at work here, that just don't want that to happen though, despite what the common citizen wants.

You, jm21-2 are making some very weak arguments.  My impression is that you are unable or unwilling to relate to many people's plight that live close to the border.  We are disgusted with what has been going on.  Someday the issue will be closer to your doorstep and you will likely change your attitude.

Fathertime!

[Ray]

Illegal Immigration and Public Health

The impact of immigration on our public health is often overlooked. Although millions of visitors for tourism and business come every year, the foreign population of special concern is illegal residents, who come most often from countries with endemic health problems and less developed health care. They are of greatest consequence because they are responsible for a disproportionate share of serious public health problems, are living among us for extended periods of time, and often are dependent on U.S. health care services.
 
Public Health Risks

Because illegal immigrants, unlike those who are legally admitted for permanent residence, undergo no medical screening to assure that they are not bearing contagious diseases, the rapidly swelling population of illegal aliens in our country has also set off a resurgence of contagious diseases that had been totally or nearly eradicated by our public health system.

According to Dr. Laurence Nickey, director of the El Paso heath district “Contagious diseases that are generally considered to have been controlled in the United States are readily evident along the border ... The incidence of tuberculosis in El Paso County is twice that of the U.S. rate. Dr. Nickey also states that leprosy, which is considered by most Americans to be a disease of the Third World, is readily evident along the U.S.-Mexico border and that dysentery is several times the U.S. rate ... People have come to the border for economic opportunities, but the necessary sewage treatment facilities, public water systems, environmental enforcement, and medical care have not been made available to them, causing a severe risk to health and well being of people on both sides of the border.”1

“The pork tapeworm, which thrives in Latin America and Mexico, is showing up along the U.S. border, threatening to ravage victims with symptoms ranging from seizures to death. ... The same [Mexican] underclass has migrated north to find jobs on the border, bringing the parasite and the sickness—cysticercosis—its eggs can cause[.] Cysts that form around the larvae usually lodge in the brain and destroy tissue, causing hallucinations, speech and vision problems, severe headaches, strokes, epileptic seizures, and in rare cases death.”2

The problem, however, is not confined to the border region, as illegal immigrants have rapidly spread across the country into many new economic sectors such as food processing, construction, and hospitality services.

Typhoid struck Silver Spring, Maryland, in 1992 when an immigrant from the Third World (who had been working in food service in the United States for almost two years) transmitted the bacteria through food at the McDonald’s where she worked. River blindness, malaria, and guinea worm, have all been brought to Northern Virginia by immigration.3

Contrary to common belief, tuberculosis (TB) has not been wiped out in the United States, mostly due to illegal migration. In 1995, there was an outbreak of TB in an Alexandria high school, when 36 high-school students caught the disease from a foreign student.4 The four greatest immigrant magnet states have over half the TB cases in the U.S.5 In 1992, 27 percent of the TB cases in the United States were among the foreign-born; in California, it was 61 percent of the cases; in Hawaii, 83 percent; and in Washington state, 46 percent. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants.
 
Costs of Medical Care

Immigrants are often uninsured and underinsured. Forty-three percent of noncitizens under 65 have no health insurance. That means there are 9.4 million uninsured immigrants, a majority of whom are in the country illegally, constituting 15 percent of the total uninsured in the nation in the mid-1990s.6 The cost of the medical care of these uninsured immigrants is passed onto the taxpayer, and strains the financial stability of the health care community.

Another problem is immigrants’ use of hospital and emergency services rather than preventative medical care. For example, utilization rate of hospitals and clinics by illegal aliens (29 percent) is more than twice the rate of the overall U.S. population (11 percent).7

As a result, the costs of medical care for immigrants are staggering. The estimated cost of unreimbursed medical care in 2004 in California was about $1.4 billion per year. In Texas, the estimated cost was about $.85 billion, and in Arizona the comparable estimate was $.4 billion per year.8

One of the frequent costs to U.S. taxpayers is delivery of babies to illegal alien mothers. A California study put the number of these anchor baby deliveries in the state in 1994 at 74,987, at a cost of $215 million. At that time, those births constituted 36 percent of all Medi-Cal births, and they have grown now to substantially more than half or the annual Medi-Cal budget. In 2003, 70 percent of the 2,300 babies born in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies. Medical in 2003 had 760,000 illegal alien beneficiaries, up from 2002, when there were 470,000.9

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters64bf
 

 

[jm21-2]

I believe the tax dollars we spend on anti-terrorism are better spent on investigative agencies such as the CIA and FBI rather than on airport security or the border patrol. That's how you stop the attacks before they happen.

NASA has been held up as one of the most incompetent beauracracies in our government, and you're holding it up as a model of government effeciency? The agency that when the engineers came to them and told them it was too cold to launch they told them to eff off because they wanted the publicity and then boom?

The vast majority of the medical concerns could be greatly reduced or eliminated by medical exams for a guest worker permit/visa/whatever.

I think it's much safer, more economical, and more practical to ahve a program where people can get into the country easily and be monitored.

I'm all for cutting off welfare benefits. That's something that should be done for everyone anyway.

I think the market can control immigration just fine.

I think the fear of terrorists attacking us is more hysteria than anything else and spending more money on airport security or border patrol or fences to solve that problem will do little or no good in solving a problem that is basically nonexistent. It's like a parent who spends half their day worrying their child will be abducted by strangers.

I feel for the people on the border states in some ways, but this is America. Our history is full of waves of immigrants. Hopefully that will never change.

[Gato4Astrid]

If you people wish to stop illegal aliens in your country, just employ Sigourney Weaver for the job !!!

[Capstone]

I think it's much safer, more economical, and more practical to have a program where people can get into the country easily and be monitored.

How in the world could any country let in vast hordes of people and then monitor all of them economically??

[jm21-2]

How in the world could any country let in vast hordes of people and then monitor all of them economically??

Don't mean we hire someone to watch over them every minute of every day. But for example a DNA database could be very helpful and is relatively inexpensive.

And this is in comparison to the cost of sealing the entire border, deporting 12-25 million people (plus another few million each year) all the ridiculous airport security, cost of all the government workers needed for an intense review of each visa application, and so forth. There's plenty that's inexpensive compared to that.

[Capstone]

Don't mean we hire someone to watch over them every minute of every day. But for example a DNA database could be very helpful and is relatively inexpensive.

And this is in comparison to the cost of sealing the entire border, deporting 12-25 million people (plus another few million each year) all the ridiculous airport security, cost of all the government workers needed for an intense review of each visa application, and so forth. There's plenty that's inexpensive compared to that.

By far the most economical solution to the problem would be to enforce the employment & immigration laws that already exist and increase the fines for all companies & individuals who employ illegals which would make the practice no longer economically beneficial for the offenders. No need to spend any money on deporting anyone - if they can't make a living by not being able to work then most will self deport. Its a simple solution which won't cost taxpayers a dime (and in fact would raise revenues from the fines) but the only problem is that no one in government actually has the balls to do this.

The cost of reviewing/processing visa applications & conducting the necessary background checks is already covered by the charged visa fees. That is why the K visa fees just got raised so has to cover all the expenses of processing them. I am all for conducting background checks on immigrants not, as I have previously said, out of fear of terrorism but rather to prevent known criminals from entering the country - we don't need other countries' garbage as we already have enough of our own to go around.

[Researcher]

  I think you missed my point JM.I wasn't suggesting that NASA be responsible for securing our borders.I was merely pointing out that the US government has technology that can be used to secure the border they just choose not to.Saying it would be too expensive is just an excuse.

  Our government fails to act on anything that isn't in the best interest of the people that have been elected.They failed to adjust their regulatory practices to address 21st century financial markets and now we have 10% unemployment.Now they reufse to act on the problem of illegal immigrants and won't allow any state to act either.The biggest reason is come November, the Dems need the Hispanic vote.

  I hear the Governor of Arizona is now going to sue the Federal Government.So, there is some hope.


  Researcher

[Jeff S]

They can come up with actual $ value damages too. If that goes anywhere, plenty of other states will get in line too - California probably being the first in-line. This could get interesting.

I agree with Capstone. Haul off a few CEOs from everything from cities (Mayor Villarigosa or Gavin Newsom come to mind) to mom and pop restaurants in handcuffs who hire illegals, and slap hefty fines on them and the problem will sort itself out. E-verify for SSNs is online and valid. All of these millions will self deport.

[Calipro]

They can come up with actual $ value damages too. If that goes anywhere, plenty of other states will get in line too - California probably being the first in-line. This could get interesting.

I agree with Capstone. Haul off a few CEOs from everything from cities (Mayor Villarigosa or Gavin Newsom come to mind) to mom and pop restaurants in handcuffs who hire illegals, and slap hefty fines on them and the problem will sort itself out. E-verify for SSNs is online and valid. All of these millions will self deport.

It amazes me to read these posts and to see just how much political hype on TV can influence people.

I have lived in Southern California and Arizona all my life and nobody really said anything about illegal immigration on national TV until John Kerry of all people asked Bush what he planned on doing about the 2,000 or so illegal aliens  that cross are southern boarder daily during a presidential debate. If anyone remembers the debate Bush never addressed the question.

Over the past 30 years or so I have watched the millions of illegals arrive and I have to say that it has overall been a pretty good run.....good economy and low unemployment at least here in Arizona.

I would caution anyone that listens to FOX news that they do have an agenda....Hanity the other night was saying how Arizona is the number one kidnapping capital of the US. After watching the show anyone that didn't know what was going on here would believe that people were getting kidnapped off the streets of Arizona....the fact is that anybody that has used the services of a coyote to get across the boarder is technically kidnapped because you are held until the transportation fees are paid. You'd think a news organization that was fair and balanced would have explained this to the public so I don't have to..... hahaha

Crime in Phoenix is down overall and that is very good news considering the economy has slowed down considerably since the recession hit a couple of years ago. We have one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country.

The only reason I bring is up because a rancher in souther Arizona was killed by an illegal immigrant crossing the border and if you believe certain news organizations we are having some kind of crime wave here....but nothing could be further from the truth.

The truth is that the new law would do next to nothing to stop illegals from coming to Arizona....a couple years ago Arizona passed a law that would take away the business license of any business that did not verify their employees using E-Verify to check immigration status....according to the Arizona Republic less than half of the 1.4 million new hires in Arizona last year where E-Verified and not one business that I have heard about has lost it's business license. This law if was actually ever enforced would have had a much bigger impact on illegals coming here than the new law if it had ever taken effect.

I guess when you have lived right in the middle of all these illegals for 30 years or so you just see things a lot differently than most of the rest of the country.

A lot of the illegals that came with their parents here hardly speak any spanish and don't even remember Mexico and then you have the anchor babies that were born in a border town hospital on the US side that are legal US citizens and don't hardly speak a word of english.

I just don't think many people understand the real consequences of deporting 15 million people to Mexico when half of them don't know a thing about the place....they would really have to set up one of the worlds biggest refugee camps the world has ever seen. hahaha

Might be fun to watch from afar but the amount of human suffering would be enormous.

Anyway I'm here from the front lines to tell you that nothing is going to change here because there in a new law that at best might deport 2,000 illegals a month when an estimated 2,000 illegals can cross our border in ONE DAY!!!!!

[Alabamaboy!]

To give you another example of how porous the border is, a few years back I had an employee who lived in Mexico, and drove about 25 miles from there to work here in the States every morning. But the line to cross into the States was sometimes 2-3 hours due to the huge number of agricultural laborers coming over to work in the fields every day. But he had a good friend who had an extra parking spot near the border on the Mex side, and another friend who lived near the border on the US side who made the trip from the border north every morning who could give him a ride to work.

So what he would do simply drive his car to the border on the Mex side, park it at his friend's house, hop over the fence (in his work clothes, which shows you how difficult it is), then take a little jog to his other friend's house to catch a ride to work. He was legal to cross, but did not want to wait in the line. He never even got stopped once doing this. If there happened to be a BP agent where he was ready to cross, he would just wait a few minutes until he moved on, then hop the fence. True story.

[Calipro]

To give you another example of how porous the border is, a few years back I had an employee who lived in Mexico, and drove about 25 miles from there to work here in the States every morning. But the line to cross into the States was sometimes 2-3 hours due to the huge number of agricultural laborers coming over to work in the fields every day. But he had a good friend who had an extra parking spot near the border on the Mex side, and another friend who lived near the border on the US side who made the trip from the border north every morning who could give him a ride to work.

So what he would do simply drive his car to the border on the Mex side, park it at his friend's house, hop over the fence (in his work clothes, which shows you how difficult it is), then take a little jog to his other friend's house to catch a ride to work. He was legal to cross, but did not want to wait in the line. He never even got stopped once doing this. If there happened to be a BP agent where he was ready to cross, he would just wait a few minutes until he moved on, then hop the fence. True story.

I remember when I was a kid there was a show on TV (can't remember the name right now) but their was this white guy with a southern accent debating a black man on race relationships....The white guy was saying that he hated all black people because they were nothing more than a bunch of chicken stealing cotton pickin good for nothings.....and the black guy turns around and says then if we are all so bad what would you have done to us?

The white guy thought for a moment and then said.....well if I had my way I'd send you all back to Africa and let your kinsfolk eat ya.....

True story

[fathertime]

To stop illegal immigration and make illegal aliens want to self-deport:

1. Seal border for real and create consequences for people caught crossing more than once. 
2. Strict workplace enforcement with severe consequences for those willfully hiring illegals.
3. Cut off benefits and schooling for children of illegals (all applicants must prove citizenship)
4.  Routine traffic stops require ID that can be checked for verification of citizenship. 

What important parts did I leave out?

Fathertime!

[Calipro]

To stop illegal immigration and make illegal aliens want to self-deport:

1. Seal border for real and create consequences for people caught crossing more than once.  
2. Strict workplace enforcement with severe consequences for those willfully hiring illegals.
3. Cut off benefits and schooling for children of illegals (all applicants must prove citizenship)
4.  Routine traffic stops require ID that can be checked for verification of citizenship.  

What important parts did I leave out?

Fathertime!

Well the most important parts...hahaha

You have to realize that these illegals crossing the border are really economic refugees. They are coming here to work and feed their families and nothing less than a bullet in the back of the head is going to stop them from coming here if they can get work and send money back home.

Most of illegal immigrants children are legal citizens of the US more than half of the illegals have been here for ten years or more. I know that of late illegals have been a hot topic for the news of late but this has been going on for well over 30 years.

I think a combination of shooting to kill at the border and jail time for employers of illegals would have an effect on slowing down the illegal immigrants. Anything short of that is a waste of time.

200 to 300 of them die every year in Arizona just crossing the desert and it doesn't slow them down at all.....these people are highly motivated.

I have an idea that would be good for the country.....how about we give citizenship to any illegal that can cross the desert and find a job with very limited english skills and send one US citizen on welfare to Mexico for everyone that makes it. hahaha

[Researcher]

   Well Calipro you are usually right on target but not this time.The studies I have seen state that more that 2/3 of illegals have been here 10 years or less.That means things have gotten worse recently.Also, it has been shown that in 2002 illegal immigrants used 10 billion dollars more in benefits than they contributed.This proves they are a drag on state and federal budgets which may explain why 20 more states other than Arizona are considering laws to take care of the problem.

   I think the point was made that if the illegals don't get anything for crossing the border then they probably won't. I think that's a great idea.


   Researcher

[fathertime]

I think a combination of shooting to kill at the border and jail time for employers of illegals would have an effect on slowing down the illegal immigrants. Anything short of that is a waste of time.

I think my idea is the better one to start with...now if it were to fail, then we could start getting real nasty.  It sure is a lot easier to just start shooting people and it costs less. 

Regarding workplace enforcement, I  am totally on board with putting people behind bars, but I think we should start with heavy fines and putting them out of business and see if that does the job first. 

I have an idea that would be good for the country.....how about we give citizenship to any illegal that can cross the desert and find a job with very limited english skills and send one US citizen on welfare to Mexico for everyone that makes it. hahaha

hey that is not a bad idea..but too bad no country is going to take our welfare recipients.

Most of illegal immigrants children are legal citizens of the US more than half of the illegals have been here for ten years or more. I know that of late illegals have been a hot topic for the news of late but this has been going on for well over 30 years.

We have a huge mess because of some of the illegal parents having their kids in this country legally and illegally for a decade.  Our lax enforcement which is continuing to this very day is making this problem worse each day that passes and yet we still haven't done a damn thing to address it.  This issue is bound to come to a head and there will be major trouble when it does, regardless of what is decided.  One thing that could put this issue on the back burner would be a major event, like a new war.

Fathertime!

Fathertime!

[Alabamaboy!]

Well the most important parts...hahaha

You have to realize that these illegals crossing the border are really economic refugees. They are coming here to work and feed their families and nothing less than a bullet in the back of the head is going to stop them from coming here if they can get work and send money back home.

Most of illegal immigrants children are legal citizens of the US more than half of the illegals have been here for ten years or more. I know that of late illegals have been a hot topic for the news of late but this has been going on for well over 30 years.

I think a combination of shooting to kill at the border and jail time for employers of illegals would have an effect on slowing down the illegal immigrants. Anything short of that is a waste of time.

200 to 300 of them die every year in Arizona just crossing the desert and it doesn't slow them down at all.....these people are highly motivated.

I have an idea that would be good for the country.....how about we give citizenship to any illegal that can cross the desert and find a job with very limited english skills and send one US citizen on welfare to Mexico for everyone that makes it. hahaha

I had the idea of making it like a reality show where they had to go through a maze, swim, run, jump, whatever and if they still made it through all that, then they deserved to be here. But your idea about them finding a job sounds more logical. Because I know a bunch of people here who could be working, but prefer to be sitting around collecting free cash.

[Ray]

Over the past 30 years or so I have watched the millions of illegals arrive and I have to say that it has overall been a pretty good run.....good economy and low unemployment at least here in Arizona.
 

Well, I have been watching the invasion of illegals for much longer than 30 years, and California is a complete mess because of it.

The schools are overcrowded with illegals and anchor babies, hospital emergency rooms are shutting down because they can’t operate and give free mandated treatment to every illegal who walks through the doors, the cities and the state are bankrupt from providing all the freebies to the leaches on our society, and I hardly recognize the place any more. Why the hell should I have to “push one for English” in my own freaking country?

The only reason I bring is up because a rancher in souther Arizona was killed by an illegal immigrant crossing the border

OK now, let’s get real about this. That was no illegal IMMIGRANT. That was an stinking, murdering, drug smuggler. For the rest, the proper term is and has always been ILLEGAL ALIEN. Murderers, rapists, burglars, car thieves, and even temporary farm workers are not immigrants. They are all here for differing reasons and all the reasons are not good ones, so they should not be referred to collectively as “immigrants”.

You have to realize that these illegals crossing the border are really economic refugees. They are coming here to work and feed their families and nothing less than a bullet in the back of the head is going to stop them from coming here if they can get work and send money back home.

Not all of the illegals come here as economic refugees. They also come here to steal, rape, murder, smuggle drugs, etc., etc., etc.

Yes, I have personally been a victim of multiple burglaries of my home by illegals, and my vehicle has been stolen multiple times by illegal alien smugglers, so don’t tell me about low crime in spite of the invasion of illegal aliens. When they finally put the fence up and started enforcing the border in San Diego, crime took an immediate nose dive, the quality of life here improved overnight, and my neighbors and I could sleep at night. The fence and border enforcement works and anyone who says otherwise is ignorant and brainwashed IMHO.

A lot of the illegals that came with their parents here hardly speak any spanish and don't even remember Mexico and then you have the anchor babies that were born in a border town hospital on the US side that are legal US citizens and don't hardly speak a word of english.

I just don't think many people understand the real consequences of deporting 15 million people to Mexico when half of them don't know a thing about the place....they would really have to set up one of the worlds biggest refugee camps the world has ever seen. hahaha

Might be fun to watch from afar but the amount of human suffering would be enormous.

Oh you’re breaking my freaking heart!

Illegal aliens will suffer if they have to move back to Mexico? Big deal! We’ve been suffering from the invasion for a long time. It’s about time that Mexico, or wherever the Illegals are from, start paying the consequences for their years of encouraging the flow of illegals across the border. It’s just too damn bad if the illegals have to pay the consequences for their total disregard for our laws. They knew the chance of getting caught and deported when they came here, so please stop all the bleeding heart whining over the consequences of having to finally follow our laws.

I think a combination of shooting to kill at the border and jail time for employers of illegals would have an effect on slowing down the illegal immigrants. Anything short of that is a waste of time.

200 to 300 of them die every year in Arizona just crossing the desert and it doesn't slow them down at all.....these people are highly motivated.

HUH? Oh I see, because they are motivated, we should not even bother wasting our time attempting to stop them from sneaking in to our country? BULL SHYT! It’s about time that the lazy, fat politicians stop their damn wining and get motivated about stopping this crap. This country is becoming a bunch of whiny crybabies on the immigration issue. “Oh, the illegals will never stop trying to get here for whatever reason, so we should just give up and let them have the damn country because, after all, they are highly motivated…”   

Give me a break!


Ray

[Dave H]

Thanks Ray!

I lived in South Florida for over 40 years...same BULL Sh-it there!  Stiff jail sentences and fines for anyone convicted of hiring or harboring illegal aliens! DEPORT Illegal Aliens!

End jus soli (birthright citizenship) for those born on US soil, without having at least one US Citizen parent!

Dave

[Calipro]

   Well Calipro you are usually right on target but not this time.The studies I have seen state that more that 2/3 of illegals have been here 10 years or less.That means things have gotten worse recently.Also, it has been shown that in 2002 illegal immigrants used 10 billion dollars more in benefits than they contributed.This proves they are a drag on state and federal budgets which may explain why 20 more states other than Arizona are considering laws to take care of the problem.

   I think the point was made that if the illegals don't get anything for crossing the border then they probably won't. I think that's a great idea.


   Researcher

Ok let's see the study....if 2/3 of illegals are here less than 10 years that means about 10 million crossed the border during the last ten years and I just don't believe it is that high.

I'd like to see who is polling these illegals anyway. hahaha!!!

I don't know why 20 more states are considering similar legislation seeing how they couldn't possibly have a higher percentage of illegals than we do here. Could be that the illegals that are supposed to deport themselves will likely just move to another state if they ever really get uncomfortable here.

No matter what happens I just can't see these people willingly moving back to severe poverty in Mexico.