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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2010, 09:46:43 PM »
Because they dont go home!!! They marry, they overstay, they look for husbands, they work illegally, they seek employers. They do all the things that they claim that they will not do in the visa application. Since the propensity is not to temprarily visit the US for a defined time period and then leave on time, the folks at the consulate restrict visa issuance. And still dont have the bar raised high enough because the same thing keeps happening. . . .

Chicago has the 2nd largest Polish population in the World, after Warsaw.  Sadly, Poles are notorious for overstaying their visas, and with such a large, established cultural community enabling the ability to "fly under the radar" the propensity to abuse the system is off the charts.

Ergo, Good Luck if you're a Polish national attempting a visa entry into America. Your chances are somewhere between Slim and None, and Slim just left town.

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2010, 10:41:41 PM »
Yes...I am always amazed that Fem-Nazi groups don't seem to consider Fil on Fil or even Asian on Fil crimes an issue...only foreigners marrying Filipinas, whether they are healthy relationships or not. Filipina "Comfort Women" of the Japanese doesn't seem an important enough issue to be one of GABRIELA Network's "CAMPAIGNS"...only:
  Wife battery and control are usual features of these marriages, where the divorce rate is estimated at 70%.
70% where exactly do they get their numbers from? do they just pull them out of thin air, or straight from their @ss?
An estimated 25,000 Filipinas have been brough into the US to work at brothel houses, bars, nightclubs and illegal sex farms in various states and in the vicinity of US military bases and camps.
man i must have been walking around with blinders on because i never heard of even one cat house that had Asian chicks, if i had of in my younger days i mite have went to " investigate" 8)
Some 25 sex tour operators in the US each send 15-25 men each month to the Philippines to engage in sex tourism. A Philippine Adventure Tour, for instance, costs $1,645 including RT airfare, hotel and guided tours to the bars where women are purchased for sex for as low as $24.
well if the 18+ year old ladies want to sell their "goods" & by doing so they are not braking any laws then i see no problem with this do you. after all it's their body rite??


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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2010, 11:11:14 PM »
70% where exactly do they get their numbers from? do they just pull them out of thin air, or straight from their @ss?man i must have been walking around with blinders on because i never heard of even one cat house that had Asian chicks,

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Hey pigg,

The numbers come from the later! They don't have to use factual data to back it up, "anecdotal evidence" works MUCH better...the US Government buys right into it just as easily as the Philippine.

They cat houses are probably located just down the street from their Philippine headquarters.  ::)

The sad thing is that our tax dollars support this BULL CRAP!
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Re: Am I way off base?
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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2010, 01:44:47 PM »
i must have been walking around with blinders on because i never heard of even one cat house that had Asian chicks, if i had of in my younger days i mite have went to " investigate" 8)
You're probably just a decent guy, so you don't notice or go looking.  If you want to know where they are, open a newspaper for the nearest big city, and look in the entertainment section.  Towards the back where they list the adverts for "gentlemen's clubs" (can't say I've ever actually seen a gentleman in one of those places {even when looking in the mirror! but that's a different issue}), you'll see ads for, ahem, Massage businesses.  Read the fine print, they emphasize "Asian and Latina girls".  There you go.
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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2010, 11:10:33 PM »
I have had a visa since before I could walk so I have a very vague idea of how "hard" it is to get one, but from what I've read in the forums filipina ladies have to make some big effort to get them, even more so than colombianas it seems.

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Trust me when I tell you that most Mexicans don't bother with the Tourist Visa hassle.
/sarcasm

*sigh* I did not get it and I don't think I want to get it anyways...

For Mexicans, if you are a guy you would have to have a hell of a job and immaculate records, for women is a bit different, usually depends on the husband, but there are other factors such as location and if other members of you family have a visa (or if they have been denied one) it's easier to get one if you live in areas close to the border since it is common people will like to go on short trips for shopping or sightseeing in the states over the weekend, this kind of trips are usually affordable so I would guess also the financial requirements drop at least a little.

Anyways, I googled about the requirements to get a mexican visa for filipinos/as, I don't know how accurate this is but sounds reasonable enough, there is 2 ways:

1.- They go to the mexican embassy in Manila and they go through pretty much what mexicans go through to get their american visa (which is still less than what they would have to go through to get an american one), they have to show strong ties to their country, that they can afford the trip, etc.

2.- A mexican friend gets them a permit, this permit last for 6 months and all the work is done by the mexican friend, he/she has to prove the friendship is real by showing emails, phone bills, plane tickets, and also proof of good financial stability, since you are now responsible for your filipina friend while she is here, if approved it takes 28 days or so you get the permit and she would only have to go to the embassy in Manila for a fast routine interview and it's all free, except for a small 40dlls or so fee at the airport.

I have no idea what kind of problem her or the mexican friend would get into if she refuses to leave... but makes you think of what a sweet deal mexicans guys have if they wanted to marry a filipina  :D

On that note some time ago I meet a russian lady that met her (mexican)husband online, I did not ask for details but she told me it was not hard for her to come here, probably because we don't get as many petitioners for visas as the US.

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2010, 02:18:25 AM »

Anyways, I googled about the requirements to get a mexican visa for filipinos/as, I don't know how accurate this is but sounds reasonable enough, there is 2 ways:

1.- They go to the mexican embassy in Manila and they go through pretty much what mexicans go through to get their american visa (which is still less than what they would have to go through to get an american one), they have to show strong ties to their country, that they can afford the trip, etc.

2.- A mexican friend gets them a permit, this permit last for 6 months and all the work is done by the mexican friend, he/she has to prove the friendship is real by showing emails, phone bills, plane tickets, and also proof of good financial stability, since you are now responsible for your filipina friend while she is here, if approved it takes 28 days or so you get the permit and she would only have to go to the embassy in Manila for a fast routine interview and it's all free, except for a small 40dlls or so fee at the airport.

Are you suggesting that an American who would like to get his pinay gf to the states can do so by getting her into Mexico first then she coming over the southern border for a visit?

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2010, 06:23:37 AM »
Uncle Bob,

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 >>must have been walking around with blinders on because i never heard of even one cat house that had Asian chicks, if i had of in my younger days i mite have went to " investigate"<<

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>>You're probably just a decent guy, so you don't notice or go looking.  If you want to know where they are, open a newspaper for the nearest big city, and look in the entertainment section.  Towards the back where they list the adverts for "gentlemen's clubs" (can't say I've ever actually seen a gentleman in one of those places {even when looking in the mirror! but that's a different issue}), you'll see ads for, ahem, Massage businesses.  Read the fine print, they emphasize "Asian and Latina girls".  There you go.<<

Piglett and I are going to 'check' these out this Saturday night. You've really been helpful so far, but it would help my kid brother Piglett and I to achieve our 'goal' if we could give you $25 dollars and you would buy us a six pack of beer and a pint of pepper mint schnaps. You can even keep the change--how about it? ;D ;)
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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2010, 09:42:12 AM »
Are you suggesting that an American who would like to get his pinay gf to the states can do so by getting her into Mexico first then she coming over the southern border for a visit?

Zulu

Zulu, what you're saying doesn't even make sense. Only a Mexican could be her sponsor in Mexico. Even if she got to Mexico, either on a sponsored visa or on her own, the United States won't be any more inclined to let her walk across the bridge at Laredo than they are to let her leave the immigration area of the airport in San Francisco. Either way, they're going to say "No US visa, no US entry".

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2010, 11:17:32 AM »
Zulu, what you're saying doesn't even make sense.

michael,

You obviously didn't understand that I was asking a question (a possible stupid question).........NOT making a statement.  Did you see the question mark at the end of my sentence?  

Maybe there was a strategy that she has used before!  I was asking for some clarification!

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2010, 11:35:12 AM »
Piglett and I are going to 'check' these out this Saturday night. You've really been helpful so far, but it would help my kid brother Piglett and I to achieve our 'goal' if we could give you $25 dollars and you would buy us a six pack of beer and a pint of pepper mint schnaps. You can even keep the change--how about it? ;D ;)
Sold! (As long as you don't mind an off-brand label like Hiram Walker schnapps and a sixer of a macro-brew.)  But will that be enough for you and the frat brothers?
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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2010, 11:53:52 AM »
Dear Uncle Bob'

Regarding:


>>Piglett and I are going to 'check' these out this Saturday night. You've really been helpful so far, but it would help my kid brother Piglett and I to achieve our 'goal' if we could give you $25 dollars and you would buy us a six pack of beer and a pint of pepper mint schnaps. You can even keep the change--how about it?<<

                                                                          &

>>Sold! (As long as you don't mind an off-brand label like Hiram Walker schnapps and a sixer of a macro-brew.)  But will that be enough for you and the frat brothers?<<


Uh--one other request, please.....Could you please purchase some Kotex Brand Tampons for us too? You see, my kid brother Piglett. he can't swim or ride a bike yet and I saw on TV where they tell you that if you use their brand of tampons, you CAN swim and ride a bike!! ::) :D

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2010, 12:15:32 PM »
zulukong, I was more than anything trying to answer robs question:
Does anyone know if it is easier or even possible for most Filipinas to be granted a tourist visa to say, Canada OR Mexico?

I would think in some situations, that would be something some guys would consider as a way to spend some time together to see about compatibility.

Not as in means to get her to the states, indeed she would not be allowed to cross the border, but in certain circumstances it would be a good option I think.

For example I know of many people that cross the border on daily basis, so if you lived in San Diego you would get to see her pretty often by driving only a little bit without even to ask time off from work and I am sure it would lower the costs dramatically, in fact depending on your schedule you might even be able to "live together" in a way (but from what I've read it might be hard to find a girl willing to do that!)

The best case scenario I can imagine is if you were an expat in Mexico, I would guess it would not be only easy to get her to Mexico and marry her, but once married you could probably get her an american visa pretty easy.

Other options I can think of are probably not worth it, such as if you are a short flight away to see her on weekends or in case she is not able to get mexican visa by herself to have a family/friend to help you out with it, etc.

Of course all of this are only guesses since I haven't been able to find official information, I guess I should ask the embassy  :-\

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« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2010, 12:54:42 PM »
For example I know of many people that cross the border on daily basis, so if you lived in San Diego you would get to see her pretty often by driving only a little bit without even to ask time off from work and I am sure it would lower the costs dramatically, in fact depending on your schedule you might even be able to "live together" in a way (but from what I've read it might be hard to find a girl willing to do that!)

Thats an interesting strategy....If you live in a Mexico border city!

I have been thinking, just speculation anyways, how would one go about circumventing the difficult task of getting your sweetie over here without all of the USA red tape!  

Doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that, but her visiting for 6 months in Mexico route seems to have some promise, if you live in a border town.

So looking at that option I see a few obvious issues:
1. Where would she live for 6 months?
2. The Mexican Drug Lords and crooked politicians are killing and kidnapping right now, is it safe?
3. What would she be doing for 6 months?
4. If you don't live in a border city how do you see each other on a regular basis?
5. She will have to possibly learn Spanish?

Obviously with enough money a few of these issues can be overcome.  

But the safety issue is huge and somewhat daunting considering the level and brutality of violence south of the border on a daily basis.

Lots of expat type cities in Mexico so she could possibly get an apartment there and you could visit on a regular basis over her 6 month stay.  But the possibility of shacking up with a respectful pinay who is looking for marriage is pretty slim.  

This might be an option if you already were married in the PI and you were just waiting on her paperwork to be approved.  She then travels to Mexico, waits for the approval and once approved she just drives across the border!  No long waits because she is south of the border waiting!

Thing is, 6 months is a long time to stay anywhere.  What would she be doing all the time that you are not there?  

Just some speculative ideas on the subject.  

Its possible I think, but there would be many obstacles.

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2010, 01:18:13 PM »

People, people, people!

Forget about all these dumb shortcut ideas. They don't work!

Unless things have changed drastically in the past few years, getting her a visa to visit Mexico is not any easier than getting her a US visa.

And even if, getting her a spouse visa by marrying in Mexico is no quicker than doing it in the Philippines.

Putting a Filipina lady up in a war zone in a strange country where she doesn't speak the language is just plain stupid! I won't even go to Mexico any more and I'm only 5 minutes away from the border.

Forget all these weird ways to circumvent the system and just do it the way everyone else did.

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2010, 01:25:32 PM »
People, people, people!

Forget about all these dumb shortcut ideas. They don't work!

Forget all these weird ways to circumvent the system and just do it the way everyone else did.

Ray

Ray, I actually agree with you.

I can't imagine that getting a visa to Mexico would be easy, just throwing around some ideas!

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2010, 05:58:04 PM »
Hey pigg,
They cat houses are probably located just down the street from their Philippine headquarters.  ::)

The sad thing is that our tax dollars support this BULL CRAP!
well we wouldn't want to see all those "cats" out of work, now would we?


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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2010, 07:34:57 PM »
Piglett and I are going to 'check' these out this Saturday night. You've really been helpful so far, but it would help my kid brother Piglett and I to achieve our 'goal' if we could give you $25 dollars and you would buy us a six pack of beer and a pint of pepper mint schnaps. You can even keep the change--how about it? ;D ;)
well if we get pepper mint schnaps the we should also score a pint of yukonjack
that way we can mix em 50/50 & make jackhammers. trust me boys after a few of those we will be in "great" shape  :D :D


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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2010, 08:22:24 PM »
Obviously my mind isn't the only one that goes out of it's way looking for short cuts. It was a hypothetical question that started this topic and look where it's been and where it's gotten to now! Since I posted the original question I've read every word posted here and done quite a bit of additional reading. I do believe that the K1-K3 route is the way to go because it's proven, it's legal, and it's safe for her, but man it stinks that it takes almost a year. I don't know about anyone else here, but I suspect that when I find her, I'm going to want to move as quickly as possible and the K1-K3 wait will be a PITA!

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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2010, 08:37:34 PM »
I do believe that the K1-K3 route is the way to go because it's proven, it's legal, and it's safe for her, but man it stinks that it takes almost a year. I don't know about anyone else here, but I suspect that when I find her, I'm going to want to move as quickly as possible and the K1-K3 wait will be a PITA!
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there are also some advantages to the CR-1 visa that you mite want to look into. that is what my wife is shooting for.


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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2010, 01:06:25 PM »
It was an hypothetical answer to an hypothetical question, just to point out it is not impossible... the best choice? probably not, the fastest? who knows, the easiest? not likely, it would take soooo many things to make it work, that is true.

I am sure Ray knows ALL of Mexico more than me because he lives 5 minutes away from this war zone that is my country, even if he doesn't go there anymore... So I will not bother saying you should chose a safe area to live in just like you would in any country, including the US.

But yes, Putting a girl in a position she has to be living alone in a country that she does not know and with a language she doesn't is not the most considerate thing to do, specially if she has had a sheltered life and you won't be with her often, yup, plain stupid.

It would probably work better for a latina than a filipina and it would still take some very special circumstances to even be worth considering, like I said before, probably not worth it.

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2010, 05:35:00 PM »
well if we get pepper mint schnaps the we should also score a pint of yukonjack
that way we can mix em 50/50 & make jackhammers. trust me boys after a few of those we will be in "great" shape  :D :D
I think you just exceeded his $25 limit.
 

Obviously my mind isn't the only one that goes out of it's way looking for short cuts. It was a hypothetical question...
No, it's not the only one.  Most of us have been there at one time, looking for a way to shave off either time or effort or cost.  For a minuscule number of guys, they've found a way that worked like a shot in the dark, but for most guys the same way never works and ends up just costing you more in time and money down a false path.

So don't sweat it.  To console yourself, just meet up with young Mr. Angel and piglett.  They got into their mom's purse, and I got a fake ID.  We're gonna go down to the Quik-e Mart for some schnapps and a sixer of Duff.  If you got some money too, maybe we can get some Aftershock.
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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2010, 05:41:01 PM »
So don't sweat it.  To console yourself, just meet up with young Mr. Angel and piglett.  They got into their mom's purse, and I got a fake ID.  We're gonna go down to the Quik-e Mart for some schnapps and a sixer of Duff.  If you got some money too, maybe we can get some Aftershock.
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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2010, 06:38:47 PM »
I think you just exceeded his $25 limit.
 
So don't sweat it.  To console yourself, just meet up with young Mr. Angel and piglett.  They got into their mom's purse, and I got a fake ID.  We're gonna go down to the Quik-e Mart for some schnapps and a sixer of Duff.  If you got some money too, maybe we can get some Aftershock.

Drs orders, I can't/don't drink anymore. There was a time but the buzz isn't worth the pain any longer anyway. I'll just be the designated driver.

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2010, 06:38:47 PM »

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2010, 07:02:29 PM »
What's aftershock?

Just like corn pone, never heard of that either.  I'm getting more education here than I ever expected.

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Re: Am I way off base?
« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2010, 09:36:47 AM »
What's aftershock?

Just like corn pone, never heard of that either.  I'm getting more education here than I ever expected.
Aftershock is a cinnamon-flavored liqueur.  It tastes like a mouthful of red hot candies soaked in vodka.
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