I am a huge fan of Colombian and Peruvian women, But....

[Woody]

other countries may well offer me a greater range of choices, and for this reason I am keeping my options open.

That is reason enough to keep your options open. As long as you are culturally compatable with her, you can go anywhere in search for what you want. For me, I've known for a long time that I was culturally compatable with South America. I might do ok in Asia, but I love the hold-nothing-back attitude that I see here every day. 

[robert angel]

I never fully eliminated cultures, nations or regions of the world in my search for a spouse. You're only putting blinders on when you fully 'eliminate' wide spectrums of choices.

I think if were single today, I'd still lean towards the Philippines, but I'd like to take a trip to Peru and learn more about their culture and people, although my sorry Spanish speaking ability would handicap me some.

I did eventually decide after considerable 'research' that it was unlikely that I would find what I was looking for in former USSR/Eastern Europe nations, China or Thailand and that the Philippines and what it offers, seemed more in my comfort zone.

Looking back, there were 6 or 7 women who were very, very nice and I had to make hard decisions, so as to not string them along.  I feel I ultimately made a good choice, but it's ironic that the lady I had the hardest time deciding against marrying was a wonderful lady of Asiatic and Russian descent, born and raised in Almaty, Kazakhstan. I lost some sleep trying to decide there.

I had reservations about that area as mentioned, but by not ruling it out, we had some great experiences and I learned a lot from her. She was very beautiful, patient, kind and cultured, from a very educated family.

The lady I did end up marrying differed from the profile 'parameters' or guidelines that I orginally laid out in defining who and what I was I thought I looking for. She had (has) other characteristics that I came to realize more than made up for the fact that she wasn't exactly what I 'thought' I wanted.

Oddly, the lady from Kazakhstan fit the profile guidelines I had set forth in my find quite well, but we just weren't meant to be, I suppose.

Yes it's wise to decide what you want and where you're most likely to find it, but don't rule out finding what is really, really good in unexpected places.---> "In matters of the heart, nothing is true except the improbable. "

[Researcher]

       I leaned toward the Philippines once but it turned out I just had a rock in my shoe. Now I'm standing straight again.I wanted to see Russia but I never made it to Sarah Palin's front porch.



   Researcher

[robert angel]

If you get past the porch on the palace Palin built with her book and lecture proceeds (aww shucks, gee willy!!) bring a thick neoprene wet suit and a pair of water wings, because someone told me the Siberian Penisula land/ice bridge is under water.

I have some lovely 10,000 year old (est.) eastern USA coast Indian artifacts that tell me there were Indians who sailed  to S., C. and N. America anyways--most likely from Pacific islands. Aside from the artifacts, the present day inhabitant's DNA/RNA and speech linguistics bear this school of thought out.

As I vaguely recall, I read on the Internet that Al Gore (who also claimed to have 'invented the internet') says the Siberian land/ice bridge is gone because of too much hot air, and I believe he's an expert on 'hot air'.

[jm21-2]

I have been working with a woman from Ukraine for almost a year and a half now and although she did seem cold at first once I got to know her a bit I couldn't help be impressed with her. Very smart, extremely well educated, feminine, and warm with family and friends. I'm guessing it wouldn't be that hard to find a nice girl over there. The culture over there stresses education and culture more than probably any other culture in the world, and I can understand the draw of that, especially because of the education system of the soviet union. There is a lot more to education than a college degree...certainly one of the things I enjoy the most about my girlfriend is her drive to always be learning new things. I think you're more likely to find that in the FSU than Latin America.

I think you will find feminist aspects in most educated women around the world. And chances are that a woman seeking a western guy is doing so in part because she thinks he will treat her as more of an equal. There are many different versions of feminism and most aren't that bad.

[CeeTeeEnn]

You've hit the nail directly on the head JM - "There is a lot more to education than a college degree": upbringing, manners, self-respect and respect for others. Some refer to these qualities "culture" or "grace"; personally speaking I like to call it "class" or "true class". On many depressing occasions I have come across girls with decent college degrees and career plans but in terms of their culture and upbringing they proved to be, frankly speaking, trailer-park trash. Rubbish. Dogs. Most depressing of all, the women of my own country lead the world in managing to combine a college education with practically no class.

On balance I also think would be more likely to find someone on my level in all aspects within the FSU than within Latin America, although I don't wish to turn my back on latinas compeltely as there are some fine, educated and classy Latinas out there. It's just that they're not easy to meet online or in real life, whether over here or over there, and right now in my life I don't have the opportunity to travel anywhere to meet anyone. Of course, it could be that I have suffered a poor run of bad luck with meeting Latinas recently.

I'd also like to mention that in terms of education and class, nearly the Chinese girls I've come across both online and in real life have really impressed me. Putting the obvious and profound cultural differences aside for a moment, I would certainly rate them highly as potential life partners to any interested Western guys. I would also imagine that many P-L members would agree with this but also mention that women from other Asian cultures merit equal consideration.

[Jeff S]

I agree with your assessment of class. A lot of guys here equate class with "daddy's got money so I'm a spoiled brat" but you said it correctly - a combination of character, sophistication, manners, intelligence, culture and elegance. There's plenty of class all over Asia, but in my never humble opinion, Japanese women have more of it than just about anywhere in the world.

[bcc_1_2]

There is a lot more to education than a college degree...certainly one of the things I enjoy the most about my girlfriend is her drive to always be learning new things. I think you're more likely to find that in the FSU than Latin America.

Wait I thought it was the pacific rim that met the stereotype of educated. I just don't agree with picking one part of the world over another because you want an "educated" or "driven" woman. I get going to Manizales over Cartagena over this but... going to the FSU over Latin America or Asia over this issue I just don't get. You post a classified in San Pedro Sula looking for educated/driven girls and you'll find them. Educated/driven girls are all over. I've read stories of men that went to the FSU and ended up with a selfish and lazy woman. So thinking I'm going to the FSU because it is stocked full of educated/driven women is well... kinda silly.

[Researcher]

You've hit the nail directly on the head JM - "There is a lot more to education than a college degree": upbringing, manners, self-respect and respect for others. Some refer to these qualities "culture" or "grace"; personally speaking I like to call it "class" or "true class". On many depressing occasions I have come across girls with decent college degrees and career plans but in terms of their culture and upbringing they proved to be, frankly speaking, trailer-park trash. Rubbish. Dogs. Most depressing of all, the women of my own country lead the world in managing to combine a college education with practically no class.

       I agree with you CeeTeeEnn. Just because someone knows how to study for tests and complete homework assignments doesn't mean anything more.I have always liked intelligent women.Some had degrees and some didn't.I have found that in other countries many people don't further their education because of lack of opportunity not because of lack of intelligence.That's just the reality of the situation.


      Researcher

[Bob_S]

Wait I thought it was the pacific rim that met the stereotype of educated. I just don't agree with picking one part of the world over another because you want an "educated" or "driven" woman. I get going to Manizales over Cartagena over this but... going to the FSU over Latin America or Asia over this issue I just don't get. You post a classified in San Pedro Sula looking for educated/driven girls and you'll find them. Educated/driven girls are all over. I've read stories of men that went to the FSU and ended up with a selfish and lazy woman. So thinking I'm going to the FSU because it is stocked full of educated/driven women is well... kinda silly.

It comes back to probability and your odds based on stereotypes.  Yes, there are all kinds of women all over, but for a specific type, what are your chances in any particular area?  What percentage of women actually read for pleasure (and not just fashion magazines) in Cartagena vs St. Petersburg or Manilla or Shanghai or Kyoto?  Back in the day when I was still interested in the FSU, I stayed in several private homes (often rented apartments), and one thing I always found was bookshelves lined with actual books, not just knick-knacks or videos or entertainment centers, but real novels.  Hell, I can't say the same about every American home I've visited.  In Moscow, even the prostitute that comes knocking on your hotel room door will be familiar with Chekov and Dostoevski. 

[robert angel]

Some of the dumbest, most dense people I've ever met had a great deal of 'formal' education.

[Bob_S]

Some of the dumbest, most dense people I've ever met had a great deal of 'formal' education.

Yeah, we got one for president. 

[Henry]

Some of the dumbest, most dense people I've ever met had a great deal of 'formal' education.

<chuckles>

[Zon]

I have found that meeting GREAT women ( beautiful, intelligent, well-intentioned ) is a challenge EVERYWHERE.  Easier with Latinas I think - easier to exercise more control.

Quote - "but in my never humble opinion, Japanese women have more of it than just about anywhere in the world."  So what is up with Japan?

[Jeff S]

I have found that meeting GREAT women ( beautiful, intelligent, well-intentioned ) is a challenge EVERYWHERE.  Easier with Latinas I think - easier to exercise more control.

Quote - "but in my never humble opinion, Japanese women have more of it than just about anywhere in the world."  So what is up with Japan?

A culture that was completely isolated for many, many generations. The culture was heavily influenced by a philosophy that made it entirely unique. The sense of duty and obligation, beauty in simplicity, and doing things right are unlike anywhere else in the world.

When I first started traveling there, it wasn't uncommon for shop owners in a downtown area to leave their shops open unattended while they ghd lunch. Imagine a liquor store with a note on it saying, "Take what you want and leave the money on the counter. I'll be back at 1:00," or a table on the sidewalk with watches on-sale on the sidewalk without a sales clerk in sight while thousands of people walk by, anywhere else in the world.

Contrast Japanese art with any other - like Chinese for instance. It is obvious when you walk into Yokohama Chinatown even though the same Kanji characters are used. Every Japanese art form is simpler and more pervasive than it is in anywhere else in the world. In how many countries do nearly all women study flower arranging (Google ikebana) making tea or even arranging food on a plate as art forms?

Sure there are dragon ladies in Japan (I pity the poor bastards who ended up with my sister-in-law,) but in all of my travels on 4 continents, I've never run across so many who have such a clear definition in their heads of how to act, dress, take care of themselves, their husband, homes, and family, as I have in Japan. I realize this is the Latin board, and many guys here have a far different concept of what they want in a women than I do, but that's the way I see it.

[Ray]

I agree with your assessment of class. A lot of guys here equate class with "daddy's got money so I'm a spoiled brat" but you said it correctly - a combination of character, sophistication, manners, intelligence, culture and elegance. There's plenty of class all over Asia, but in my never humble opinion, Japanese women have more of it than just about anywhere in the world.

OK Jeff, I have a question.

Of the Japanese girls I have known over the years, I must say that I have never heard (or smelled) a Japanese girl fart. What’s up with that?

I know they eat mung beans, so there must be gas in there somewhere.

So tell me, do Japanese ladies ever fart at the dinner table? How about in bed?

 

Ray

[Jeff S]

Nope and I still often catch hell for violating the rules.

[robert angel]

No wonder they use table cloths for candle light dinners......

[Bob_S]

So tell me, do Japanese ladies ever fart at the dinner table? How about in bed?

In bed, when she thinks I'm asleep.  But oddly, it doesn't smell.  How does she do that?  Mine balloons up the sheets and peels paint, and we ate the same damn food!   

[arianna]

I am glad you enjoyed the trip so beautiful, but maybe you visit Sibiu, definitely a part of women to have more amazing here 

[Gato4Astrid]

I am glad you enjoyed the trip so beautiful, but maybe you visit Sibiu, definitely a part of women to have more amazing here 

My mother lived in Timisoara for 5 years and she went there for visit.  Is this the city where there is a mud-bath in lake in Sibiu?

[Traveler]

I am not at all against being with an educated woman, but I do put priorities on some other qualities.  Women from former Soviet Union are more educated, independent and career-oriented.  But bear in mind that it does take awhile for them to warm up to strangers, especially foreigners.  They are in general very serious.  And the Colombian women in contrast are a lot more open and friendly.  The only way to have success with Russian or Ukrainian women is to really invest a lot of time and effort.  Physically I am a lot more attracted to Latin women, but individual tastes differ.

[Kiltboy1]

I am not at all against being with an educated woman, but I do put priorities on some other qualities.  Women from former Soviet Union are more educated, independent and career-oriented.  But bear in mind that it does take awhile for them to warm up to strangers, especially foreigners.  They are in general very serious.  And the Colombian women in contrast are a lot more open and friendly.  The only way to have success with Russian or Ukrainian women is to really invest a lot of time and effort.  Physically I am a lot more attracted to Latin women, but individual tastes differ.

You would not be the same TRAVELER that used to post here and Stay at Pete E's place in Cali ??

[Traveler]

No, I am not him.

[arianna]

My mother lived in Timisoara for 5 years and she went there for visit.  Is this the city where there is a mud-bath in lake in Sibiu?

Yes, indeed in Sibiu exist Ocna Sibiu is a resort of contrasts. The main element of attraction is, undoubtedly, salt lakes and mud.