Someone to care, love, and not let go

[momentaware]

I haven't decided to give up on North American women. I say that not because I'm a failure or easy to give up. It's just becoming increasingly hard to find a girl in the U.S who is faithful to love and yet also open-minded about having a family or open-minded about other things in general.

My dream is to fall in love with a kind-hearted woman from central or South America. I know it's not easy to fall in love over the Internet. This is why I would like to come to Latin America. I love my adopted home of Portland, Oregon in the U.S. This is by far the most beautiful and open-minded place in the USA. On the other hand, the costs in the U.S are too high and political corruption and economic turmoil isn't making here the most desirable place in the world right now.

I'm very politically engaged. I live my life outside of the box. That's why it's important to find a woman who can truly love me, care for me, and not let go.

The concept of having a family together is deeply important. This is in part because I grew up alone without a family, no kidding. I've moved around too much. For once I'd like to have a safe place to call home and somebody to love and be loved.

The only thing that scares me about Latin America is the overtly religious culture. I'm non-religious myself. Technically atheist. I like to consider myself philosophical. I'm certainly kind and more of a humanist.

I love dogs and animals in general. In fact, part of the business I've done in the U.S has involved dogs. I'm 29 years old, brown hair and deep brown eyes, and I'm fairly athletic (not too fat). I like to write poetry.

Another thing that concerns me about Latin America is dancing.. yes.. dancing.. haha. I used to go to "raves" when I was younger and used to enjoy dancing all crazy. As I've gotten older though (almost 30, jeje) I haven't really danced in years. So please don't expect me to be a good dancer. I'm sure that every man in Latin America is better than me.. and women love that! But I'd love to try to learn.. even though I'll be the first to admit that I don't have good rhythm, lol. I am a musical person though and I still write music. I just don't know how to move to it.. or maybe I forgot.. haha

Okay.. and the last thing that concerns me about Latin America is that my Spanish is really only so-so. It's not very good. Sure, I "learned" Spanish in school. Alas, I only tried refreshing my memory in 2008 when I was trying to practice online when I was living in China. However, the funny thing is that when I visited Mexico in 2008 for a couple months I found it nearly impossible to think quickly enough in Spanish to make a conversation. So I'm a little slow when it comes to my second language. I really would like to work hard to become fluent in Spanish. Perhaps the best way is having a Spanish speaking partner?

I'm interested in the cultural aspects of Latin American countries (minus the religious aspects). I would love to assimilate into a more peaceful culture. In fact, the most important thing about me I haven't yet mentioned in this post. That is that for the last 10 years I've spent overseas. 2 years living in Thailand. 2.5 years in China. 8 months in Indonesia. 6 months in India. Everywhere in Asia except for Korea and Japan. I've worked in Australia for four months and New Zealand for four months too. During my first trip overseas in 2001 I volunteered / traveled in the Fiji Islands for 6 months. Plus, I took my first trip to Europe (backpacking on a shoestring) last year for over three months. I'm very open to other cultures, learning the sociology of every place. This is my life. This is who I am.

While I wouldn't mind traveling with a partner. What I seek most now is a "home base", a place to call home, a family for life, stability, and more.

To be totally honest.. I'm not concerned with physical appearance.. although I know for all women and most men that physical attraction is important. What I really need in this life is to find someone who loves and cares for me very deeply. This is the treasure that is very hard to find yet almost like a fool I'm a hopeless romantic.

What I'm seeking is not endless e-mails or chats or phone calls. What I'd like to focus on is making future plans together and building a life together. I realize this is hard to do with a stranger with someone who you can't see face-to-face or touch. But the point is that if we plan well now and get to know each other now then we can make everything a reality in the near future. Certainly I'm a real person.

Hope this isn't too long and hope you can understand me. What I'm seeking in a nutshell is someone to love me for a long long time, share love together, and hopefully not let go.. oh, and of course to have a family.

It will be well worth it in the long-term future to give your love to me. I'm real.

With Love,

Shaun )

[utopiacowboy]

Be careful about learning Spanish. You could wind up speaking it the rest of your life. Personally I'd rather speak the language of my childhood, French.

[InnocentVixen]

It will be well worth it in the long-term future to give your love to me. I'm real.

With Love,

Shaun )

I almost feel bad for telling you this my friend, but there are not many women on this forum, but even if this is no dating site there is a lot of good information to get you started on your search.

For all it's worth, I don't think it will be hard to find a woman that is not religious.

[osteve]

              Shaun,
               Keep working on your Spanish.If you think you are not thinking fast enough to have a conversation chances are you are still trying to translate your thoughts into Spanish or don't have a big enough vocabulary.Practice, practice, practice.

               If you know what you want then find a way to go look for it.If you want a good woman in your life you aren't going to find her on a forum that is mostly "blokes".You need to meet women, lots of them.

[pat]

              Shaun,
               Keep working on your Spanish.If you think you are not thinking fast enough to have a conversation chances are you are still trying to translate your thoughts into Spanish or don't have a big enough vocabulary.Practice, practice, practice.

               If you know what you want then find a way to go look for it.If you want a good woman in your life you aren't going to find her on a forum that is mostly "blokes".You need to meet women, lots of them.

            Great advice Osteve!

[fschmidt]

For all it's worth, I don't think it will be hard to find a woman that is not religious.

momentaware, is this a requirement?  I am atheist and my wife was Catholic.  I think Catholics are generally more tolerant than atheists, meaning that most Catholics have an easier time accepting other beliefs than most atheists do.  If you are tolerant, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a tolerant Catholic woman in Latin America.

Even though I am atheist, I like religion because of its values.  Most atheists, especially humanists, are also liberal feminists.  And liberal feminists are anti-family.  So if you want family values, you should view religion as a positive.

[Jeff S]

While it is admirable to want to speak Spanish fluently, it isn't a pre-requisite to finding a soul mate. I'm sure some will disagree, but you can communicate and make a very good life without being fluent in each other's language.

I also agree with IV anf fschmidt about the religion issue. I've been around many, many Latinas over the last 30 years, and while nearly all will admit to being believers, few have any in-depth concept of religion outside the cultural rituals. I don't believe you will have any success in talking them out of their beliefs, nor should you, but if you're concerned about the typical American concept of a bible thumping evangelist making judgments about your behavior, don't be. It need not be an issue unless you make it one.

[robert angel]

I think a lot of people of different faiths are more tolerant these days to marrying outside their faith and there's probably more tolerance of atheism as well. In the Philippines, it'd probably be more of an issue. My wife is really religious and while we're both Catholic, I'm not much for attending services and she goes and even prays the novena every Wednesday--no problems there.

Anyway--going to church service no more makes you a good Catholic than going into a garage makes you into an automobile. It cracks me up to see the people who pride themselves on having locked in the front pews in the church for their family's exclusive use.

I had three Puerto Rican Aunts growing up who spoke a lot of 'machine gun' fast Spanish that was lost on my tin ears. They'd do the sign of the cross (genuflect) before driving, when passing a church or cemetery, but they were far, far from being 'holy rollers' --they were never intolerant of other faiths.

I've been to Mexico a few times and to some Spanish speaking Caribbean isles, but I have no talent for picking up Spanish or any other language from any of that. Even a couple years of high school Spanish were a waste, but hey, my mind wasn't remotely engaged in anything academic until I finished high school anyway. I think I learned to read and write through osmosis, comic books, the back of cereal boxes, National Geographics and girly magazines. I should have been some sort of poster child to show others that literacy is still possible for those deemed incorrigible and unteachable.

I am very thankful that a lot of Spanish speaking people also speak passable English, because my Spanish is so bad, I have trouble ordering at Taco Bell. Why is it 'bureeeetoe?'. What's even dumber is I remember while usually 'under the influence' of something or the other, actually trying to talk to Mexican taxi drivers, using Spanish accented English, or by adding an 'O" to everything as in "stupido"--as if that really helped! How totally moronic....

[momentaware]

            Great advice Osteve!

Yes. This is good advice. Thanks man

Part of the problem is spending years learning Thai and Chinese when I lived in Asia. Although that was also helpful with learning how to learn foreign languages. Practicing Spanish is a lot easier than most Asian languages but to become fluent takes lots of patience and practice.

[momentaware]

momentaware, is this a requirement?  I am atheist and my wife was Catholic.  I think Catholics are generally more tolerant than atheists, meaning that most Catholics have an easier time accepting other beliefs than most atheists do.  If you are tolerant, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a tolerant Catholic woman in Latin America.

Even though I am atheist, I like religion because of its values.  Most atheists, especially humanists, are also liberal feminists.  And liberal feminists are anti-family.  So if you want family values, you should view religion as a positive.

It depends on what you mean by beliefs? :p

I suppose it would be hard to swallow false beliefs. What makes a false belief? Believing in an invisible - magical man in the sky for starters.

Your point though is well taken that being open-minded and not degrading others beliefs (like I did in the last two sentences, sorry) would increase the pool and chances of finding somebody. Ideally, I'd prefer to find an atheist woman but I don't expect that and I would indeed follow my heart to where it takes me.

You are spot on about "modern women" being anti-family. That's part of the reason why I've always had positive relationships overseas whereas in the U.S it can be downright hostile even suggesting to a woman about having a family together. However, there are also good family-oriented atheists out there but it is less common quite frankly because there are less atheists than theists.. well unless you count China which technically should be counted.

[momentaware]

I think a lot of people of different faiths are more tolerant these days to marrying outside their faith and there's probably more tolerance of atheism as well. In the Philippines, it'd probably be more of an issue. My wife is really religious and while we're both Catholic, I'm not much for attending services and she goes and even prays the novena every Wednesday--no problems there.

Anyway--going to church service no more makes you a good Catholic than going into a garage makes you into an automobile. It cracks me up to see the people who pride themselves on having locked in the front pews in the church for their family's exclusive use.

I had three Puerto Rican Aunts growing up who spoke a lot of 'machine gun' fast Spanish that was lost on my tin ears. They'd do the sign of the cross (genuflect) before driving, when passing a church or cemetery, but they were far, far from being 'holy rollers' --they were never intolerant of other faiths.

I've been to Mexico a few times and to some Spanish speaking Caribbean isles, but I have no talent for picking up Spanish or any other language from any of that. Even a couple years of high school Spanish were a waste, but hey, my mind wasn't remotely engaged in anything academic until I finished high school anyway. I think I learned to read and write through osmosis, comic books, the back of cereal boxes, National Geographics and girly magazines. I should have been some sort of poster child to show others that literacy is still possible for those deemed incorrigible and unteachable.

I am very thankful that a lot of Spanish speaking people also speak passable English, because my Spanish is so bad, I have trouble ordering at Taco Bell. Why is it 'bureeeetoe?'. What's even dumber is I remember while usually 'under the influence' of something or the other, actually trying to talk to Mexican taxi drivers, using Spanish accented English, or by adding an 'O" to everything as in "stupido"--as if that really helped! How totally moronic....

I'm not a strict atheist. For example, I have spiritual and strong philosophical leanings. I just prefer a woman with reason and who doesn't just view the world based on what she was told at church. That's where the problems begin when the modern churches like the U.S just seek to spread hateful ideas against whoever the enemy is whether it's another religion / sect or homosexuals or a political agenda.

Meditation is something that comes in nature everyday. I can find sublime spirituality in seeing a flower blossom or the awe of looking at photos from deep outer space and realizing the vastness of all. This is my kind of religion. Like how Buddhism always teaches on to question and observe. This doesn't happen in Abrahamic religions which are more like receiving data and accepting things the church says on "blind faith".

>>I should have been some sort of poster child to show others that literacy is still possible for those deemed incorrigible and >>unteachable.

Dude, that's awesome! I'm so glad that you've made so much progress in picking up Tagalog.

>>I am very thankful that a lot of Spanish speaking people also speak passable English, because my Spanish is so bad, I have >>trouble ordering at Taco Bell. Why is it 'bureeeetoe?'. What's even dumber is I remember while usually 'under the influence' of >>something or the other, actually trying to talk to Mexican taxi drivers, using Spanish accented English, or by adding an 'O" to >>everything as in "stupido"--as if that really helped! How totally moronic....

When I was in Mexico City two years ago. I was told by a friend that burritos are almost impossible to buy in Mexico except for one state that is famous for them. I'm not sure if that's true or not.

Taco Bell.. ewww.. I wouldn't go near that meat with a 10-foot poll. :p I do like to buy organic buffalo meat though and cook delicious tacos sometimes. Otherwise, I make other Mexican food vegetarian style. Just saying that.. in case.. any girls are reading this which they probably aren't but oh well.. haha.

edit: I worked at Taco Bell for a week when I was 16 years old. So I saw the quality of the meat they used was graded "D". I don't know if that's still the case or not.

[Henry]

I'm going to write something wild here. I think if you marry a woman who shares those beliefs that you have, I think she may turn into an AW-minded woman fairly quickly. It just seems so anti-traditional that it may wind up going all the way anti tradition, rather than it stopping exactly where you want it to stop (right before the family life comes into question).

[robert angel]

All too often people confuse 'religion' and the institutions that seem to 'regulate' it. I can see the relationship, but I can also relate to religion being a very personal thing that involves values, standards and how we apply them--how we behave towards one another. Momentaware, it sounds like you have a set of admirable standards of behavior and just do not choose to put them in the wording framework of any given religion.

I tend to follow more of a Taoist philosophy personally, but there are more variations on Taoist thought, philosophy/religion than there are in the broad category of "Christianity'. But in a nutshell, I think that it (the individual persons  and the philosophies that in general guide it) take/s from many different sources, using what is personally relevant to the individual. I find this true for me and I also think Wikipedia gives a nice line of summation of another point of Taoism when it states:

>> Taoist propriety and ethics emphasize the Three Jewels of the Tao: compassion, moderation, and humility, while Taoist thought generally focuses on nature, the relationship between humanity and the cosmos<<

I was raised Roman Catholic and when I was young and my parents divorced, I saw that they were excommunicated from the church. This bothered me. I did not like the rigid structure of its system then or now. As a young teen, I was basically 'sentenced' to a very strict Catholic boarding school in Canada named "Assumption" to educate and straighten me out. Supposedly, you couldn't get thrown out of Assumption, unlike every other school I had been enrolled in. It took close to a year and a lot of effort on my part, but I was successful in getting thrown out.  But early on, I saw the abuse -- mental, verbal and physical, that the priests perpetuated on the boys there. It was very brutal.


I was married once before my current marriage and when things began to get bad in our marriage, for some insane reason, I thought maybe the Catholic church could provide some productive counseling, and knowing my then wife was more into the structured church than me, I asked for help. They told me that we would have to drive three hours for counseling. We live in an area of over 300,000 people, we're the seat of the local diocese, with the Bishop based here!

I have toyed with the idea of doing some more graduate school work, sort of finishing my formal education in the process, and writing a dissertation on the wrongs done by the Roman Catholic church, including its involvement in the political and financial sectors, its support or turning a blind eye to genocides, brutal colonizations and much more. I soon realized that would take several life times to write and would basically be a waste of a lot of time. I write pretty fast like I do here, free forming w/o any draft, but it'd take forever still.

It'd be a massive endeavor to just look at how the church has effected socio economic life in the Philippines, the Middle East and in Mexico, South and Central America, from a pro colonization viewpoint

Maybe I should just write a brief analysis of the Catholic mass as if I were an anthropologist from outer space. It would probably go sort of like this: "I came into a room where the beings sat, stood, kneeled, chanted and sang in unison under strict guidance. The center piece of their attentions appeared to be the deceased likeness of another being, nailed to a structure, with blood dripping from wounds that resulted from what were called 'nails' and 'thorns' piercing his body. After  putting money in a container passed all around, the beings seemed to, as a center point of the meeting, indicate they believed they were eating pieces of the body of the being up on the apparatus centerpiece, as well as drinking the being's blood".

Makes some of the things we've read in in science fiction, never mind the National Geographic, seem quite tame and believable, don't you think?

Even if Jesus came back tommorrow, I rather doubt if he'd stay at the Vatican, wear silk robes and drink out of solid gold chalices. I don't think he'd have a lot of meetings with heads of state. He'd probably be someplace like Haiti about now.


The Torah, Bible and Koran are strikingly similar and other more ancient faiths have striking similarities to what in those books. They have a strikingly similar moral code--guidelines if you will and a belief in an after life. But man, and organized religion, have twisted and turned these books, interpreting them very selectively and as a result, a lot of people have suffered and died.

So I take what I can use from what's out there, trying to remember that being kind, patient and considerate is just a good way to be and I don't let names, buildings and professed doctrines get in the way of my life too much.

[Researcher]

Yes. This is good advice. Thanks man

Part of the problem is spending years learning Thai and Chinese when I lived in Asia. Although that was also helpful with learning how to learn foreign languages. Practicing Spanish is a lot easier than most Asian languages but to become fluent takes lots of patience and practice.

                     Practice your Spanish with Latinas.That's a good way to get to know a woman.I found that many of them enjoyed helping me with Spanish.



              Researcher

[bcc_1_2]

Religion, family values, conservativism Vs. Free thinkers, feminism, liberals is a US politics frame of mind played out in sound bites in the USA media and not something to get very worked up about in your international travels.

Latinas seem very superstitious and its almost like they are polytheistic down there. They are catholic, much more family oriented than their sisters in the United States, hate condoms, generally not to worried about the morality of sex before marriage... in general it is just a different culture... go... experience it... and have fun.

Atheists, agnostics, rationalists, and just people that stayed awake in history class run across the political spectrum even here in the USA. This is especially true in young people as you can find non believers that are in the green or libertarian party. You'll find a growing percentage of young people that do not believe in God. This is as true in Omaha as it is in many Latin American cities. It certainly is true in Europe. And outside of one country in Asia it is true as well. Heck outside of the USA and the Middle East the vast majority of the world does not believe. So just like women wanting a man at least 5'10 or whatever... if you want an atheist or agnostic or even a flat earther ( yea that group does exist) go get her.

Don' let someone scare you out of what you want. Anytime someone says a atheist must be a liberal and a feminist... I just post the Bill Maher clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4iHCfuRWIQ&feature=related

[fschmidt]

Anytime someone says a atheist must be a liberal and a feminist... I just post the Bill Maher clip.

The core of liberal feminism is anti-family, and Bill Maher is anti-family.

[Dave H]

Hey Momentaware,

Welcome to P-L!

I lived in Miami for 41 years so my Spanish got pretty good...although I find South Americans and Mexicans easy to understand than Cubans and Puerto Ricans. I currently live in the Philippines, so I only have to speak English (one of the national languages along with Filipino, which is really Tagalog). In my area people speak Cebuano and English...preferring English over Tagalog. I sometimes speak Chavacano (dirty Spanish) when I find a speaker. 

My wife is Catholic, but doesn't push it on anyone. Besides I don't get up early enough for mass. By wife's sister's husband is an American atheist living in the Philippines. He has never had a problem...well, at least not until a Dutch Jehovah's Witness moved next door!!!

I arrived in Miami on Wednesday for my annual medical testing. I was still able to order my lunch today at Taco Bell in Spanish. That meat tasted pretty darn good compared to the mystery meat that I have been eating at Jollibee's in the Philippines! 

Good luck,

Dave

[jm21-2]

momentaware, is this a requirement?  I am atheist and my wife was Catholic.  I think Catholics are generally more tolerant than atheists, meaning that most Catholics have an easier time accepting other beliefs than most atheists do.  If you are tolerant, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a tolerant Catholic woman in Latin America.

Even though I am atheist, I like religion because of its values.  Most atheists, especially humanists, are also liberal feminists.  And liberal feminists are anti-family.  So if you want family values, you should view religion as a positive.

Lol, you are obviously not taking most Asian countries into consideration. There are plenty of girls there who are atheists, pro-family more-so than the typical religious American, and are fine converting to their husband's religion as long as it's not too inconvenient (e.g. having to cover their hair or go to church all the time).

However, I think there are plenty of pro-family atheists here in the states too. One of the reasons why the atheist divorce rate is so low.

[fschmidt]

Lol, you are obviously not taking most Asian countries into consideration. There are plenty of girls there who are atheists, pro-family more-so than the typical religious American, and are fine converting to their husband's religion as long as it's not too inconvenient (e.g. having to cover their hair or go to church all the time).

Asian religions are different from Western religions because they aren't God-focused.  But they do play a role.  I lived in Japan for a year and Shinto and Buddhist traditions are part of the culture.  So Eastern religions do play a role in Asia.  China is a strange exception since Mao did a pretty good job wiping out traditions.  I think China will become culturally unstable as it gets wealthier and I am not sure how it will turn out.

However, I think there are plenty of pro-family atheists here in the states too. One of the reasons why the atheist divorce rate is so low.

The reason that the atheist divorce rate is so low is because the atheist marriage rate is so low.  Those few atheists who get married are more likely to stay married.

[bcc_1_2]

The core of liberal feminism is anti-family, and Bill Maher is anti-family.

How dare Bill Maher [snip] a new hot girl each month and then move on. That feminist.  . In the last thread about a guy curious about looking overseas you called all AW the most horrible people on earth. That would include your own mother, possibly sister, and other family members and friends. What you Sir have is a problem. My American parents are happily married and your views are inaccurate and highly polarizing.

[fschmidt]

How dare Bill Maher [snip] a new hot girl each month and then move on. That feminist.  .

Not a feminist, but yes a liberal.  There are more than just 2 points of view.  I am pro-family, so I am not on the same side as Bill Maher.

In the last thread about a guy curious about looking overseas you called all AW the most horrible people on earth. That would include your own mother, possibly sister, and other family members and friends. What you Sir have is a problem. My American parents are happily married and your views are inaccurate and highly polarizing.

My mother is Hungarian.  I have no sisters or other American female relatives.  My wife is Mexican.  I have no American women friends.  And I am doing my best to make sure that my daughter does not grow up to be culturally American (which is a topic I would like to discuss in detail sometime).

Of course not all AW are horrible, just most.  Old AW (over 60) aren't bad, and of course women who are members of strong religious sects like the Amish, Mennonites, and Hasidic Jews aren't bad.

[bcc_1_2]

Not a feminist, but yes a liberal.  

I see you just did a 180. That was my entire point... you can be a liberal, an agnostic (in Bill's case), and not a feminist.

Of course not all AW are horrible, just most.

Another 180. Best to remember the men that post on this forum have American mothers, sisters, daughters, and friends.

[Henry]

Hey Momentaware,

Welcome to P-L!

I lived in Miami for 41 years so my Spanish got pretty good...although I find South Americans and Mexicans easy to understand than Cubans and Puerto Ricans. I currently live in the Philippines, so I only have to speak English (one of the national languages along with Filipino, which is really Tagalog). In my area people speak Cebuano and English...preferring English over Tagalog. I sometimes speak Chavacano (dirty Spanish) when I find a speaker.  

My wife is Catholic, but doesn't push it on anyone. Besides I don't get up early enough for mass. By wife's sister's husband is an American atheist living in the Philippines. He has never had a problem...well, at least not until a Dutch Jehovah's Witness moved next door!!!

I arrived in Miami on Wednesday for my annual medical testing. I was still able to order my lunch today at Taco Bell in Spanish. That meat tasted pretty darn good compared to the mystery meat that I have been eating at Jollibee's in the Philippines!  

Good luck,

Dave

Caribbean Spanish (Dominican, PR, Cuban) is to Spanish what Ebonics is to English. It is just a bunch of contractions and slang that you must have grown up speaking in order to understand it. That may be the main reason why Puerto Ricans on the mainland have kids who dont speak Spanish well, or at all.

For example. Como estas gets contracted down to Como Tha (ta).

[jm21-2]

Asian religions are different from Western religions because they aren't God-focused.  But they do play a role.  I lived in Japan for a year and Shinto and Buddhist traditions are part of the culture.  So Eastern religions do play a role in Asia.  China is a strange exception since Mao did a pretty good job wiping out traditions.  I think China will become culturally unstable as it gets wealthier and I am not sure how it will turn out.

I don't think traditions were really stamped out much at all in China, and Buddhist priests get a pretty sweet government salary from what I understand. Actually I found the temples I visited in China were generally treated with far greater deference than in Thailand. For example, it was normal in China to not be allowed to take pictures inside the temples, whereas in Thailand that was never a problem and plenty of them had annoying loudspeaker systems for the tourists with vendors everywhere on the temple grounds. I would even wager that in some ways China is far more traditional than other Asian countries due to being more isolated from the western world.

You are right though, I tend to think of a lot of eastern religious practices as far more similar to western atheism than what we consider religion in the west and it was inappropriate of me to lump them together.

The reason that the atheist divorce rate is so low is because the atheist marriage rate is so low.  Those few atheists who get married are more likely to stay married.

This really goes along with my point and doesn't contradict it in any way...

I would hate to marry a religious girl only to find out she wasn't really serious about marriage and just got married due to religious pressures.

I am having some trouble googling marriage statistics by religion. Do you have any on hand? I'm surprised there would be such a large difference in marriage rates. I had always thought the biggest difference would be that atheists tended to marry later in life.

[fathertime]

The core of liberal feminism is anti-family, and Bill Maher is anti-family.

In looking over your posts here, I can't say that I disagree with much of what you have written, although I perhaps my innocent eyes see more shades of grey.
  I just saw a smattering of your writings on the *Unapproved Link* website, really good stuff.  When I get time I gotta read some more.  You have made a marriage work with your Mexican wife for a long time. I will be curious to here some of the inner workings of it, when and if you decide to post on that subject.

Fathertime!