The rules

[CROW]

In terms of groping people... number 2. is the defintion. Key in on "sexual". To "grope" by definition involves handling or fondling parts of a woman for sexual pleasure.

Lewd
a. Preoccupied with sex and sexual desire; lustful

It clearly meets the definition of lewd. And you are correct... their is nothing wrong with doing this with your girlfriend in your home.

lewd (ld)
adj. lewd·er, lewd·est
1.
a. Preoccupied with sex and sexual desire; lustful.
b. Obscene; indecent

I think trying to determine if someone is preoccupied with sex is a very subjective interpretation and the fact that a guy might be a touchy feely kind of guy doesn't mean to me that he is preoccupied with sex. Now I think more people could agree on what is obscene or indecent and for me a guy fondling a woman anywhere except for her tits and crotch in public is perfectly fine and there is nothing lewd about it.

[Researcher]

     Now, back to the thread at hand.It is ridiculous to even debate whether one should try to "score" with these women and on what date.Sex is viewed differently by different people.To some it is sacred while to others it is merely recreation.I'm not one to throw stones at either view but I will say that to go to "grope" women can cause many problems and should be avoided.If you sleep with a woman after 2 dates and then decide she isn't for you then she probably will end up feeling like she was used only for sex and you can end up with a reputation as being a "player".Also this can lead to only thinking with the little head, which in most cases leads to common sense being thrown out the window.


     To ask for "permission" to touch is also a mistake.Not alot of guys do this and you will probably be viewed as being odd.

      So it is best,IMO, to take things as they come. Take the time to get to know some ladies before you try to sleep with any of them.If it happens, it happens.


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[fathertime]

Groping is a lewd act. I've got some news for you... you don't get to make up your own definitions for words.

So your claim is ignorance of the actual defintion. Shocking.

 

Looks like my original response to this has been erased, so I will repeat.  That Groping is a word that has a lot of latitude and I do get choose to interpret it quite differently than your strict interpretation.  Therefore by my definition, it is perfectly fine for a man to take his chances and grab hold of his woman around the waist without prior permission, if he is feeling that it is appropriate. Asking to touch is absolutely ridiculous under these circumstances.

Fathertime!

[CROW]

     If you sleep with a woman after 2 dates and then decide she isn't for you then she probably will end up feeling like she was used only for sex and you can end up with a reputation as being a "player".Also this can lead to only thinking with the little head, which in most cases leads to common sense being thrown out the window.


   
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Sounds about right...and if a woman dumps me after having sex I usually think she must have not liked it much. jijiji

I wonder what women think that get dumped prior to ever having had sex.....my personally sucks or am I just unattractive?

I just don't see a lot of self reflection and kicking themselves in the ass for past mistakes like american women might do and I certainly don't see anyone around here crying because they had sex even if it turned out to be lousy. jijiji

[Researcher]

Sounds about right...and if a woman dumps me after having sex I usually think she must have not liked it much. jijiji

I wonder what women think that get dumped prior to ever having had sex.....my personally sucks or am I just unattractive?

I just don't see a lot of self reflection and kicking themselves in the ass for past mistakes like american women might do and I certainly don't see anyone around here crying because they had sex even if it turned out to be lousy. jijiji

   You don't see it because no one openly tells the truth when it comes to sex.Everyone is great at it...in their own mind.


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[bcc_1_2]

 
That Groping is a word that has a lot of latitude

The connotation of the word is clear in this thread. You weren't groping for an answer to a question. You were groping a woman. Now to do that you must fondle or handle her for sexual pleasure. So I suppose if you want more latitude you wouldn't have to fondle her tits, ass, or crotch. Technically you could have fondled her feet if that led to your or her sexual pleasure. Everyone has their own fetishes. So I do apologize for assuming you meant grabbing or fondling her crotch, ass, or tits. You could very well have a foot, armpit, or some other fetish. So my bad. My advice (and we'll never really know now), if you aren't fondling a woman for sexual pleasure (not to be confused with a hug or hands on a person's waist)... I wouldn't use the word.

Again go ask a dad what he thinks about someone fondling his daughter on a first, second, or frankily a third date and gauge the response. It is clear what the word means, and he will not be a happy dude.

So why not come out and be honest and say you were fonding women early on? We can't know if it was welcome or not. Maybe it was in most cases? But at least you'd be honest.

[bcc_1_2]

I wonder what women think that get dumped prior to ever having had sex.....my personally sucks or am I just unattractive?

A. If you were unattractive to her she wouldn't have taken her clothes off.

B. Since she was interested in taking her clothes off for YOU if you do "suck" at it she's not likely to "dump" you. Im generalizing, but women don't think in terms like that.

Now if a man does it to them it is pretty obvious what they think. He's a pig. I've never understood why men do it like that though. I was a lot worse. I was a wolf or pig so to speak in a sheep's clothing. I'd do her for a few weeks or months until something new came along. So I suppose I was the ultimate pig. It is always better if you know a few girls that just want casual sex as you can be honest and not hurt feelings.

[Researcher]

The connotation of the word is clear in this thread. You weren't groping for an answer to a question. You were groping a woman. Now to do that you must fondle or handle her for sexual pleasure. So I suppose if you want more latitude you wouldn't have to fondle her tits, ass, or crotch. Technically you could have fondled her feet if that led to your or her sexual pleasure. Everyone has their own fetishes. So I do apologize for assuming you meant grabbing or fondling her crotch, ass, or tits. You could very well have a foot, armpit, or some other fetish. So my bad. My advice (and we'll never really know now), if you aren't fondling a woman for sexual pleasure (not to be confused with a hug or hands on a person's waist)... I wouldn't use the word.

Again go ask a dad what he thinks about someone fondling his daughter on a first, second, or frankily a third date and gauge the response. It is clear what the word means, and he will not be a happy dude.

So why not come out and be honest and say you were fonding women early on? We can't know if it was welcome or not. Maybe it was in most cases? But at least you'd be honest.

   It depends on what your definition of "is" is.


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[fathertime]

The connotation of the word is clear in this thread. You weren't groping for an answer to a question. You were groping a woman. Now to do that you must fondle or handle her for sexual pleasure. So I suppose if you want more latitude you wouldn't have to fondle her tits, ass, or crotch. Technically you could have fondled her feet if that led to your or her sexual pleasure. Everyone has their own fetishes. So I do apologize for assuming you meant grabbing or fondling her crotch, ass, or tits. You could very well have a foot, armpit, or some other fetish. So my bad. My advice (and we'll never really know now), if you aren't fondling a woman for sexual pleasure (not to be confused with a hug or hands on a person's waist)... I wouldn't use the word.

Again go ask a dad what he thinks about someone fondling his daughter on a first, second, or frankily a third date and gauge the response. It is clear what the word means, and he will not be a happy dude.

So why not come out and be honest and say you were fonding women early on? We can't know if it was welcome or not. Maybe it was in most cases? But at least you'd be honest.

Your long diatribe makes no sense.  As far as I’m concerned the word groping can include things such as grabbing a woman by the waste and bringing her in for a kiss, and many other things like that.  So I repeat, I had no problem groping a woman, and only a scared boy or hypersensitive man would ‘ask permission’ prior to going for this type activity. 

Not many men are going to touch a woman's vagina, or other private parts out of the blue and for you to jump to that conclusion tells me that you lack good judgement.

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

Your long diatribe makes no sense.  As far as I’m concerned the word groping can include things such as grabbing a woman by the waste and bringing her in for a kiss, and many other things like that.  So I repeat, I had no problem groping a woman, and only a scared boy or hypersensitive man would ‘ask permission’ prior to going for this type activity. 

Not many men are going to touch a woman's vagina, or other private parts out of the blue and for you to jump to that conclusion tells me that you lack good judgement.

Fathertime!

   Blah,blah,blah...this thread stinks!!!


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[CROW]

A. If you were unattractive to her she wouldn't have taken her clothes off.

B. Since she was interested in taking her clothes off for YOU if you do "suck" at it she's not likely to "dump" you. Im generalizing, but women don't think in terms like that.

Now if a man does it to them it is pretty obvious what they think. He's a pig. I've never understood why men do it like that though. I was a lot worse. I was a wolf or pig so to speak in a sheep's clothing. I'd do her for a few weeks or months until something new came along. So I suppose I was the ultimate pig. It is always better if you know a few girls that just want casual sex as you can be honest and not hurt feelings.

bbc you are so confused that you now have me confused. jajaja!!! I was speaking for the woman when I said "am I unattractive" and since I was talking about a woman who never had sex...I have no idea where the part about her taking her clothes off came from. jajaja....but no matter.

Having spent many a year in Colombia I have found that they view sex a little differently than most american women especially the ones in my age group. I think danglying the prospect of marriage over a colombianas head is not the ideal way to start a relationship and might actually encourage some of them to jump into bed that otherwise would not...which is not a good thing IMHO.

Calenas in particular are hot pasionate women when in the company of the right guy and if you aren't getting it on in short fashion there is a problem some where that is all I'm saying.

[bcc_1_2]

Not many men are going to touch a woman's vagina, or other private parts out of the blue and for you to jump to that conclusion tells me that you lack good judgement.

Maybe you need an education on how many women are sexually assulted each year. Groping is not the grabbing of a woman's waist by any definition. In every definition it involves fondling or rubbing in a sexual nature. Sexual abuse and assult is way too high in this country to match your above statement.

[bcc_1_2]

I think danglying the prospect of marriage over a colombianas head is not the ideal way to start a relationship and might actually encourage some of them to jump into bed that otherwise would not...which is not a good thing IMHO.

Calenas in particular are hot pasionate women when in the company of the right guy and if you aren't getting it on in short fashion there is a problem some where that is all I'm saying.

I have two comments. First men traveling down to Colombia on a chica hunt have a huge advantage over Calipro. You are de facto dangling the opportunity to come back to the United States and get married if the relationship works out. This is exactly what I think is wrong to take advantage of. Which is why I suggest not sleeping with a woman on a short first trip. It really doesn't help you decide if she's a good long term partner to do it early on. If anything it just makes it harder to figure out.

Calenas are hot I agree and they are passionate. I'm just saying their behavior can be misinterpeted early on. The concept that calenas are easier than AW is faulty. Damn near any guy can find easy AW that will put out right away. The problem is when you sober up and see them in the morning.

[fathertime]

Maybe you need an education on how many women are sexually assulted each year. Groping is not the grabbing of a woman's waist by any definition. In every definition it involves fondling or rubbing in a sexual nature. Sexual abuse and assult is way too high in this country to match your above statement.

Blah blah blah, I do not concur with your rigid definition of the word and neither does most anybody else. 

As far as I’m concerned you are have already stated your case which is you prefer to ‘ask’ a woman before touching.  I prefer to move in and take my chances when I think the time is right.  Posters can choose whichever method they want, but I think mine makes a much more sense than yours and ‘researcher’s’ 

Your comments about sexual assault are just a desperate attempt to create a false argument to score points, as only a complete fool would take my comments to mean anything of that ilk.  So do you qualify?

Fathertime!

[fathertime]

   Blah,blah,blah...this thread stinks!!!


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'researcher'
Weren't you just whining because you thought Pivery was complaining?  Seems a little hypocritical now!

Fathertime!

[Pivery]

 You FT, are terrible for inciting unprovoked groping of women.
 I must confess here and now that after the second date, I ended up being groped (being of a sexual nature) by my now fiancée.

 Um, by the way...who do I "whine/complain" to about that?

  Pivery

[Researcher]

'researcher'
Weren't you just whining because you thought Pivery was complaining?  Seems a little hypocritical now!

Fathertime!

             Hey ft, just trying to fit in here.Seems to be the status quo....


              Researcher

[Researcher]

You FT, are terrible for inciting unprovoked groping of women.
 I must confess here and now that after the second date, I ended up being groped (being of a sexual nature) by my now fiancée.

 Um, by the way...who do I "whine/complain" to about that?

  Pivery

              I'm sure you'll find someone to whine to.

Posters can choose whichever method they want, but I think mine makes a much more sense than yours and ‘researcher’s’ 
Fathertime!

   Who says I agree with bcc's method?There you go again ft, fabricating crap when your logic starts to fail.


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[fathertime]

             Hey ft, just trying to fit in here.Seems to be the status quo....


              Researcher

Whining about how threads 'stink' is not the status quo.  I was/am grateful I was able to explain further what I meant by groping.  I suppose you would have been very pleased to see the thread locked earlier, so later some guy could have misread the thread and thought it was normal to go grabbing a Colombian woman in the private parts.  Try contributing rather than moaning and getting all huffy-puffy and you might not get so steamed about posters giving their feedback and disagreements every so often!

Fathertime!

[fathertime]

        
   Who says I agree with bcc's method?There you go again ft, fabricating crap when your logic starts to fail.

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'researcher’
Let’s analyze this sentence….You are saying you don’t agree with bCc’s crap, yet it is my ‘logic’ that is failing! It is heartening to have tacit approval, but I’ve learned that if you agree with me, I should at least re-analyze my thoughts because usually something must be faulty!  Now as is normally the case, your thoughts are contradictory.

 So where do you stand on this whole 'touching' 'non touching' in early dating?
Fathertime!

[Researcher]

Not sure dates-wise how long it took until my fiancée and I were 'intimate' as I wasn't trying to keep any type of score, but it was quite awhile down the road.

Pivery 

   Is that so...

I must confess here and now that after the second date, I ended up being groped (being of a sexual nature) by my now fiancée.

   Pivery

  Which is it Pivery? or are you changing your story to fit ft's BS.Maybe ft was right when he said you are the Great Extractor of Guffaws!!

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[Dave H]

AW's and Latinas share some basic anatomy but are not the same species! If you hold a door open for an AW, you may get your azz chewed out about how she doesn't need you or any other man and she can open her own GD door! If you do the same for a Latina, you will likely get at least a smile, and maybe even a little conversation...especially if you can speak some Spanish. She might like your cute gringo accent and the fact that you are learning her language. Maybe she would like to "practice her English" with you. In other words, by showing some interest, you will often get a foot in the door if she is available, which may lead to bigger and better things. If she isn't available, she may have someone that she would love to introduce you to. AW's often resent your attention, but Latinas expect someone who is interested in them to show it. If you act like her brother, she will probably think that you have no interest in her whatsoever. It doesn't matter that you took her to dinner, get a little more intimate.  I am not saying jump her bones or sexually molest her. But act interested, maybe hold her hand briefly when you talk, touch her arm. Latinas have a much smaller personal space than Americans. Sitting across the table may feel like you are on the other side of the room to her. Sit next to her! Don't wait for permission to make the next step like with AW's. I have dated Latinas for many years and have never been slapped for getting a little touchy feely. If you are both interested, take it to wherever it goes...you are both adults! Be flexible, why have rules carved in stone, 1st date, 2nd date,...20 date, etc. If she is unresponsive, then don't push it, move on!

Dave

[Researcher]

'researcher’
Let’s analyze this sentence….You are saying you don’t agree with bCc’s crap, yet it is my ‘logic’ that is failing! It is heartening to have tacit approval, but I’ve learned that if you agree with me, I should at least re-analyze my thoughts because usually something must be faulty!  Now as is normally the case, your thoughts are contradictory.

 So where do you stand on this whole 'touching' 'non touching' in early dating?
Fathertime!

    I don't agree with either of you.Having to debate when and how to make a move with a woman just shows a lack of experience with women.Being that bcc is a young guy that is understandable but ft you are older but apparently have little experience with women. Debating this is about a silly as debating the meaning of the word grope.

  BTW, whining IS the status quo for Pivery...The Great Extractor of Guffaws!

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[fathertime]

    I don't agree with either of you.Having to debate when and how to make a move with a woman just shows a lack of experience with women.Being that bcc is a young guy that is understandable but ft you are older but apparently have little experience with women. Debating this is about a silly as debating the meaning of the word grope.

  BTW, whining IS the status quo for Pivery...The Great Extractor of Guffaws!

   Researcher

With this subject there is no ‘debate’ as far as I’m concerned, it is an exchange of viewpoints.  I’ve made stated my case.   So you agree with nobody now, but remain timid about expressing your own viewpoint, but would rather pick on good old Pivery.  I assume you continue to bring up the past and abstract phrases I used to get the thread deleted/ partially erased, which is a sad misuse of the site and contributes nothing to topic of the thread itself. 

I see it similar to DaveH, and wholeheartly agree with the final statement, 'if she is unresponsive don't push it and move on'

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

   The "exchange of viewpoints" on this subject is useless.Since ft admitted to "groping" women  and can't get out of it he decided to change the meaning of the word.Now you want to bury "the past"which was only a few months ago, ft.Stop running away and "man up" for once.


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