The rules

[bcc_1_2]

CaliPro is in a different situation than most everyone else by living down there. For us North Americans and Western Europeans traveling down we should probably think a little differently in this regard. If you are traveling down with the goal to meet your future significant other I'd highly suggest you just focus on that.

I'd say forget about sex, commitment, engagement, etc and just meet women. Trip numero uno is your opportunity to meet women and think with your big head.

And crap, I'm not one who can advocate against trying to bed a woman (in any country) early on without being a hypocrite... but if you are seriously seeking a lady you can have long term success with... then I highly suggest you leave sex, commitment, engagement, etc out of the first trip. Take all the pressure off and just have a good time meeting women. If something clicks... then come back for that second visit.

This isn't something you should try and cram into one trip. You've got to get your personal [snip] together so you can make some trips down and do this correctly... so you don't seriously regret it later.

[zack]

For what it is worth, I have heard several ladies (female friends of mine) tell me the following:

"I am so tired of men trying to put their hands all over me when I barely even know them. I have gotten to the point where if a man tries to get me into bed on the first or second date, he's gone."

I know that not all women think this way and some are ready and willing. But a man can't go wrong with going a little slow just out of respect (but not too slow). This reminds me of the lyrics to an old song:

"I like a man with a slow hand. I like a man with an easy touch."

Maybe that whole idea is mostly out-dated, but a lot of ladies still think that way.

[CROW]

For what it is worth, I have heard several ladies (female friends of mine) tell me the following:

"I am so tired of men trying to put their hands all over me when I barely even know them. I have gotten to the point where if a man tries to get me into bed on the first or second date, he's gone."

I know that not all women think this way and some are ready and willing. But a man can't go wrong with going a little slow just out of respect (but not too slow). This reminds me of the lyrics to an old song:

"I like a man with a slow hand. I like a man with an easy touch."

Maybe that whole idea is mostly out-dated, but a lot of ladies still think that way.

  With all due respect...the only women in Cali that are offended by coming on to them are the ones that aren't all that intested in you. I never tried to grope one without prior consent . jijiji ...and the only thing I've ever had to do to get them in bed was invite them in.

Some of you guys sure make this a lot harder than it really is

[Kiltboy1]

  With all due respect...the only women in Cali that are offended by coming on to them are the ones that aren't all that intested in you. I never tried to grope one without prior consent . jijiji ...and the only thing I've ever had to do to get them in bed was invite them in.

Some of you guys sure make this a lot harder than it really is

Wheather you want to agree or not, Crow is correct and it is my experience as well . Colombias like a person that is Direct and again, "they are in love with the idea of being IN LOVE ". They are sexual creatures and do not fool yourself into thinking they are keeping that Kitty locked up for the Correct Guy

KB

[zack]

Guys, guys, all I am basically saying is that a man should not dump a woman just because she refuses to sleep with him on the first or second date. I never said that Latinas are saving themeselves for the right man.

"I never tried to grope one without prior consent"

Good for you Crow but you'd be surprised how many men grope regardless.

[Alabamaboy!]

As much as everyone talks about how sexual Colombian women and men to be, the women and guys right here in the USA probably hook up more than they do, sexually, either as a one night stand or during a relationship. It is not we are any "hotter" or the girls way more slutty or anything, I think it is just the fact that most of us have cars, private rooms in the house, both parents working, or a little cash to rent a hotel room. When I was going to University it was like a 24 hour porn show in the dormitories.

I think until they hook up with older guys who have their own apartments or enough money to take them to a hotel, then there is not a whole lot happening in the sex department. Hard to get privacy in a house with a lot of people living there.

A hot 25 yo gringa will have a lot more miles on her than a typical 25 year old Colombiana. Maybe the Colombiana starts having sex at the same age, but the gringa will have way more opportunities to do so.

I have been with some hot Colombianas in their mid 20's that did not even know the basics of what to do with a man. But that being said, they were super hot and ready to learn!!!

The ones that are the most skilled seem to be the spoiled rich girls and the poorer girls who frequently come from broken families and have a lot of unsupervised time on their hands since their mothers are working.

[fathertime]

Guys, guys, all I am basically saying is that a man should not dump a woman just because she refuses to sleep with him on the first or second date. I never said that Latinas are saving themeselves for the right man.

"I never tried to grope one without prior consent"

Good for you Crow but you'd be surprised how many men grope regardless.

Yoyo Zackaroni!

I absolutely have groped Colombian women 'without prior consent'.  I never once asked, I took my chances based on body language and what I thought was appropriate.  I wasn't always correct, but I never had my face slapped either.  A couple times the gal turned the other cheek or reacted non-positively to my 'wandering hand', but that wasn't too often.  When the reaction wasn't too positive, I knew where I stood and leave it at that.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained!  The last thing I wanted to pretend to be was a clucking asexual hen!


Fathertime!

[Dave H]

    Hey Dave nice van!!

   Researcher

Thanks Guys,

Unfortunately I can't claim it as my own...mine was white. I think the pig look is fair warning for any woman foolish enough to climb inside, yet looks harmless and fun on the outside. But LOOK OUT MAN! It probably has a rack, chains and manacles installed inside to make sure that the "guests" don't escape...err I mean leave before the party is over...   It puts the lotion on the skin!

Whoooo...I don't know what came over me...it must have been a relapse from the 21st Annual Ted Bundy Electrocution Party last week.  

Dastardly Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzuelRl5Bh0&NR=1

[Dave H]

If a chick walks around with her T&A hanging out and yells at you "What are you looking at A-hole!!!" then she probably isn't that interested in you.  Otherwise move forward! I have never been slapped by a Latina for being too aggressive...well only when it involved her sister or best friend. 

Dave

[bcc_1_2]

I absolutely have groped Colombian women 'without prior consent'.  I never once asked, I took my chances based on body language and what I thought was appropriate.  I wasn't always correct, but I never had my face slapped either. 

With all due respect to cultural differences, just because she comes from Colombia instead of the USA does not mean she wants "groped".

Use that first date to figure out if you want a second.

Zack's last point was pretty decent. Because she didn't slap you doesn't mean it was welcomed.

If you want a free opportunity to feel her up... even on the first date... just dance with her after dinner. No need to grab her tits and make a honk honk noise. 

Some of these posts about "groping" sound a little dense... if the purpose is to find that significant other. If the goal is to warm your bed for the night then I'm off base. What type of board is this a monger forum or marriage minded one?

[CROW]

With all due respect to cultural differences, just because she comes from Colombia instead of the USA does not mean she wants "groped".
Use that first date to figure out if you want a second.
Zack's last point was pretty decent. Because she didn't slap you doesn't mean it was welcomed.
If you want a free opportunity to feel her up... even on the first date... just dance with her after dinner. No need to grab her tits and make a honk honk noise.  
Some of these posts about "groping" sound a little dense... if the purpose is to find that significant other. If the goal is to warm your bed for the night then I'm off base. What type of board is this a monger forum or marriage minded one?

From what I have seen from the guys that come here strickly looking for  a wife ....well let's just say they have a lot to learn about women...can't remember any guy in the states asking me if I think his woman really likes him or not...but it has happened on several occasions while here in Cali.

The guys I have met are nice enough...but I honestly believe that their views on women, sex and relationships have left them severly handicapped in the US and their views are not serving them well in Colombia either.

 From a cultural perspective I think it is a good thing for guys who come here to know that if a woman really likes you she'll usually sleep with you and that still doesn't mean she'd marry you....after all colombians invented the phrase "amigos con derechos" which translates to "f*ck buddy here in the US. jijiji Besides how is one of these american guys that comedown here with limited spanish to know if the girl really likes him for who he really is if she isn't getting intimate with him and enjoying it.

[Dave H]

With all due respect to cultural differences, just because she comes from Colombia instead of the USA does not mean she wants "groped".

It better to think positive...maybe she wants more! 


My experience with Latinas from numerous countries is that they want a man to be a man and quickly lose respect for a "sensative" guy who worships the ground they walk on. You are not dealing with AW's so throw away the FemNazi approved rulebook and friggin' dolphin safe tuna!

Dave



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A1iBN3ZJXE&feature=related

[fathertime]

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With all due respect to cultural differences, just because she comes from Colombia instead of the USA does not mean she wants "groped".

Use that first date to figure out if you want a second.

Zack's last point was pretty decent. Because she didn't slap you doesn't mean it was welcomed.

If you want a free opportunity to feel her up... even on the first date... just dance with her after dinner. No need to grab her tits and make a honk honk noise.  

Some of these posts about "groping" sound a little dense... if the purpose is to find that significant other. If the goal is to warm your bed for the night then I'm off base. What type of board is this a monger forum or marriage minded one?

What are you talking about bCc?  Did I say anything about a first date? Did I say anything about grabbing a tit? [removed unnecessary text] You don’t go directly for a boob, groping can be grabbing a woman by the waist and drawing her a little closer or something of that nature.  Only a boob would go for the tit out of the blue and without some semblance of what they think her reaction would be.  

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Now regarding your comment about ‘mongers’.   [removed irrelevant text]  Most of us are not all that interested in this subject, and just because a woman or a man is willing to make advances in a relationship, doesn’t make them a prepago or a monger.

My stance is that you take your chances if you think the time is right, even if it is early in the relationship, and there is no ‘asking’ to see if it is ok.  [removed inflammatory text]

Fathertime!

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[Pivery]

 Hey FT, I grabbed a boob on my first date with my fiancée so there... Oh wait, that was mine

Seriously, as usual the discussion at the end of the thread isn't what was started...
Every woman is different, and should be taken as such. But as far as I am concerned, if you are looking for someone to put a ring on and have children with
I would not be wringing my hands worrying about getting laid so much as wondering if this woman is going to be able to be a good wife, mother, companion.
It's pretty safe to say that unless you look like the Elephant Man / completely deformed, everyone here is capable of getting laid. First date, fifth...whatever.

So, uh how did you get laid?

Love ya FT!!!

Pivery

[bcc_1_2]

My experience with Latinas from numerous countries is that they want a man to be a man and quickly lose respect for a "sensative" guy who worships the ground they walk on.

An obvious point that I doubt anyone would dispute. But must you be the creepy old man from Family guy or the pussy whipped gringo? Is there no middle ground?


FT's past posts

I absolutely have groped Colombian women 'without prior consent'.

You don’t go directly for a boob, groping can be grabbing a woman by the waist and drawing her a little closer or something of that nature.

Definition
Groping, when used in a sexual form, is touching or fondling another person in a sexual way. Areas of the body most frequently groped include the genitals, buttocks, breasts and thighs. When done without permission or against the will of another person, this can be considered a form of sexual abuse or sexual harassment.

[fathertime]

An obvious point that I doubt anyone would dispute. But must you be the creepy old man from Family guy or the pussy whipped gringo? Is there no middle ground?


FT's past posts

Definition
Groping, when used in a sexual form, is touching or fondling another person in a sexual way. Areas of the body most frequently groped include the genitals, buttocks, breasts and thighs. When done without permission or against the will of another person, this can be considered a form of sexual abuse or sexual harassment.

Yes yes everything is ‘sexual harassment’.  You really are brainwashed!

  A man going for a woman when he thinks it is the right time is far from ‘sexual harassment’.  As far as I’m concerned, being afraid to take a calculated risk is a fate worse than grabbing a woman by the waist and moving in for a kiss and not knowing for certain what her response would be.  In addition to asking, do you also insist the lady sign notarized prior consent forms prior to any ‘touching’?  


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

Hey FT, I grabbed a boob on my first date with my fiancée so there... Oh wait, that was mine

Seriously, as usual the discussion at the end of the thread isn't what was started...
Every woman is different, and should be taken as such. But as far as I am concerned, if you are looking for someone to put a ring on and have children with
I would not be wringing my hands worrying about getting laid so much as wondering if this woman is going to be able to be a good wife, mother, companion.
It's pretty safe to say that unless you look like the Elephant Man / completely deformed, everyone here is capable of getting laid. First date, fifth...whatever.

So, uh how did you get laid?

Love ya FT!!!

Pivery

   Well put Pivery.Aside from the whining you make a good point. hehehe


  Researcher

[Pivery]

 You definitely missed your calling 'Researcher', you should have replaced Conan O'Brian...

I was trying to keep the focus on the topic without it unravelling into flying feathers. And I was only goofing on FT, so it really had nothing to do with you personally.
However, coming from the self-proclaimed know-it-all around here, I will gladly accept you compliment.

FT, I have seen pics of you, so my question still stands, how in the hell did you get laid with any woman?!
You know I'm just joking FT - just trying to keep the keg from exploding

Pivery

[Researcher]

      Now you guys have gone and upset Pivery! Try to keep it on topic from now on.


     Researcher

[fathertime]

   Well put Pivery.Aside from the whining you make a good point. hehehe


  Researcher

‘researcher’ I did not notice Pivery whining and he made several distinct points regarding the ladies, your statement that you agree with his point doesn’t tell anybody very much.  Words without substance don't create any value to your last posts.  Try to stay in the subject of the ladies, and not get all up into Pivery.

FT, I have seen pics of you, so my question still stands, how in the hell did you get laid with any woman?!       
You know I'm just joking FT - just trying to keep the keg from exploding

Pivery/quote]


Hey Pivery!  It is obvious if I was able to marry a sincere & beautiful woman much younger than myself, that most anybody could, if they apply themselves and didn't run around in fear about insulting a lady by diving in for a kiss without 'prior written consent'!   Fathertime!
 

[bcc_1_2]

Yes yes everything is ‘sexual harassment’.  You really are brainwashed!

Am I? I've never met an American Dad who would have approved me "groping" his daugther on the first date.

Either you didn't understand the meaning of the word you were using or you don't want to come out and admit you groped women like this. You can't blame feminism for a conservative father not wanting his daughter "groped". No dice.

When a local like CaliPro dates a woman the expectations are likely lower. So yea it could just be casual sex. But when someone travels down to meet women in Colombia the expectations go up. If you start getting physical early on the woman may think you are more serious than you really are.

You can exude confidence without being grabby early on. It is not a prereq.

[bcc_1_2]

I have already defined groped different than the exclusively lewd way that you have.  

Groping is a lewd act. I've got some news for you... you don't get to make up your own definitions for words.

So your claim is ignorance of the actual defintion. Shocking.

[CROW]

Groping is a lewd act. I've got some news for you... you don't get to make up your own definitions for words.

So your claim is ignorance of the actual defintion. Shocking.

grope (grp)
v. groped, grop·ing, gropes
v.intr.
1. To reach about uncertainly; feel one's way: groped for the telephone.
2. To search blindly or uncertainly: grope for an answer.
v.tr.
1. To make (one's way) by reaching about uncertainly.
2. Slang To handle or fondle for sexual pleasure.

I don;t think groping is a lewd act if you can stay off the tits and crotch area while in public. And certainly any groping done in the home would be considered fore play.

[CROW]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/991210/megan_fox_groping_her_boyfriend_brian_austin_green_in_public/

Here is a link of Megan Fox groping her boyfriend which I personally find lewd in a public setting. However I think it would be perfectly acceptable in a more private setting.

[bcc_1_2]

2. Slang To handle or fondle for sexual pleasure.

I don;t think groping is a lewd act if you can stay off the tits and crotch area while in public. And certainly any groping done in the home would be considered fore play.

In terms of groping people... number 2. is the defintion. Key in on "sexual". To "grope" by definition involves handling or fondling parts of a woman for sexual pleasure.

Lewd
a. Preoccupied with sex and sexual desire; lustful

It clearly meets the definition of lewd. And you are correct... their is nothing wrong with doing this with your girlfriend in your home.